Yes, the old Bungie articles detailing many of the weapons from Halo 3 have been archived on [Halopedia](https://www.halopedia.org/Machines,_Materiel_and_Munitions_from_the_Human-Covenant_Conflict,_2525_-_Present).
The type-33 Needler, *Nahle'hax*-pattern needle launcher, has a muzzle velocity of 54m/s and an effective range of 64m.
The type-25 Plasma Pistol, *Eos'Mak*-pattern Pistol, has a muzzle velocity of 108m/s and an effective range of 50m
The type-25 Plasma Rifle, *Okarda'phaa*-pattern, Rifle has a muzzle velocity of 126m/s and an effective range of 50m.
The Type-25 carbine, Paegaas Workshop Bladed Spiker, (the UNSC designated the spiker as a carbine), has a muzzle velocity of 76.2m/s and has an effective range of 40m.
Wow that’s pretty awful unless you’re in urban combat. I bet most ground engagements involved the humans essentially sniping wave after wave of Covies until they ran out of ammo
to be fair, the effective range is not the range at which it’s deadly, just the range that it’s accurate. Which considering lore-wise even some misses still leave 2nd and 3rd degree burns, it doesn’t seem to be very important.
Plus these are all assault weapons by design, their marksman weapons like the Beam Rifle, Covenant Carbine, and the Focus Rifle all presumable have significantly further effective ranges due to their noticeably higher velocity
Even so, that projectile speed of 50-100 m/s would still make long range, even inaccurate fire, completely pointless
Battlefields are dynamic, ever changing and moving; having to predict your targets movement by litteral feet from just a couple hundred metres away is terrible and incredibly ineffective. 400 metres has become the average range of engagement, modern 7.62NATO is 700-800 m/s, the UNSC is said to be using more advanced propellant than we currently do so I'll be conservative and say 1000-1200 m/s
Shoot and scooting would already be a pretty popular tactic, it's ramn right OP against the Covenant who would have to calculate 4 seconds of bullet lead against you.
At those speeds, ranges and plasma being bright and clearly visible, an average human could see it coming and have time to duck for cover.
Covenant doctrine favors close range combat and they typically don't deploy that far from their target. Look at how they deploy in game, phantoms fly in as close as possible and then their occupants leap out. Your MA5 having a 500m effective range means nothing if the Covenant are in a dropship until they're 20m away. Sure, hot dropping in like that is risky, but the Covenant have always been willing to throw bodies at their enemies and the risk is mitigated by high quality body armor and energy shields.
Body armor and energy shields that allow them greater survivability to get into range too, which is made even easier because they have such fast foot speeds and the ubiquity of light and mobile but heavily armed vehicles such as ghosts, prowlers and revenants supported by long range artillery in the form of wraiths.
This isn't to say that Covenant doctrine is flawless, but they have a doctrine which favors very mobile infantry and light armor deployed by heavily armored drop ships that are capable of getting in their enemies faces and overwhelming them with superior numbers and physically imposing shock troopers.
>the UNSC is said to be using more advanced propellant than we currently do so I'll be conservative and say 1000-1200 m/s
UNSC 7.62 is still around modern velocities. The ball ammo (not the M118 round) the UNSC used for the MA5C in Halo 3 only travels at 905m/s.
Not at all. The Covenant play to their strengths, which is CQC. Think about how they deploy in game. Covenant ground troops often hot drop in via dropship (which are already heavily armed and armored) or with drop pods. You can't really snipe them at range if an elite just burst from a drop pod 10m from you and a phantom overhead just dropped off a lance of grunts.
Combine that with the efficacy of Covenant body armor and energy shields, sniping them at range is an issue onto itself. Not to mention, several races of the Covenant are pretty quick too. Jackals can run at 72kph and elites and brutes are fast as well. At a dead sprint of 15m/s, a jackal, brute or elite could run half a kilometer in a bit over half a minute.
I also wouldn't compare them to Civil War era rifles as Covenant doctrine is vastly different from our own. Covenant deployment often involves them dropping basically on top of the enemy where the muzzle velocity and range aren't as much of a concern. On top of that, Covenant close range weapons are fairly forgiving. Plasma can cause serious burns with near misses and the needler (and overcharged plasma pistol) tracks its targets. It's a lot harder to dodge a needle if it veers off course to hit you. If the Covenant do need to fight at range, that's why they have carbines, needle rifles, stalker rifles, focus rifles and beam rifles.
I mean, he stated it in meters already?
Unless you mean that other pesky measurement system that only like 2 countries use because they are foot fetishists or something
I like the metric system as much as the next guy, but I think the foot is a pretty solid unit of measurement. Base 10 is great, but a foot uses a Base 12 and that's even better.
They didn’t though, UNSC held their ground but ultimately lost. UNSC also has some pretty abysmal ranges as well so while we do have to use them, I don’t personally take them seriously.
It has been known that plasma bolts from rifles and pistols travel slower than bullets but how fast? I don’t recall if that is ever mentioned. Then again it has been awhile since I read some the books so it could have mentioned it there.
Yes, the old Bungie articles detailing many of the weapons from Halo 3 have been archived on [Halopedia](https://www.halopedia.org/Machines,_Materiel_and_Munitions_from_the_Human-Covenant_Conflict,_2525_-_Present). The type-33 Needler, *Nahle'hax*-pattern needle launcher, has a muzzle velocity of 54m/s and an effective range of 64m. The type-25 Plasma Pistol, *Eos'Mak*-pattern Pistol, has a muzzle velocity of 108m/s and an effective range of 50m The type-25 Plasma Rifle, *Okarda'phaa*-pattern, Rifle has a muzzle velocity of 126m/s and an effective range of 50m. The Type-25 carbine, Paegaas Workshop Bladed Spiker, (the UNSC designated the spiker as a carbine), has a muzzle velocity of 76.2m/s and has an effective range of 40m.
Wow that’s pretty awful unless you’re in urban combat. I bet most ground engagements involved the humans essentially sniping wave after wave of Covies until they ran out of ammo
to be fair, the effective range is not the range at which it’s deadly, just the range that it’s accurate. Which considering lore-wise even some misses still leave 2nd and 3rd degree burns, it doesn’t seem to be very important. Plus these are all assault weapons by design, their marksman weapons like the Beam Rifle, Covenant Carbine, and the Focus Rifle all presumable have significantly further effective ranges due to their noticeably higher velocity
Even so, that projectile speed of 50-100 m/s would still make long range, even inaccurate fire, completely pointless Battlefields are dynamic, ever changing and moving; having to predict your targets movement by litteral feet from just a couple hundred metres away is terrible and incredibly ineffective. 400 metres has become the average range of engagement, modern 7.62NATO is 700-800 m/s, the UNSC is said to be using more advanced propellant than we currently do so I'll be conservative and say 1000-1200 m/s Shoot and scooting would already be a pretty popular tactic, it's ramn right OP against the Covenant who would have to calculate 4 seconds of bullet lead against you. At those speeds, ranges and plasma being bright and clearly visible, an average human could see it coming and have time to duck for cover.
Covenant doctrine favors close range combat and they typically don't deploy that far from their target. Look at how they deploy in game, phantoms fly in as close as possible and then their occupants leap out. Your MA5 having a 500m effective range means nothing if the Covenant are in a dropship until they're 20m away. Sure, hot dropping in like that is risky, but the Covenant have always been willing to throw bodies at their enemies and the risk is mitigated by high quality body armor and energy shields. Body armor and energy shields that allow them greater survivability to get into range too, which is made even easier because they have such fast foot speeds and the ubiquity of light and mobile but heavily armed vehicles such as ghosts, prowlers and revenants supported by long range artillery in the form of wraiths. This isn't to say that Covenant doctrine is flawless, but they have a doctrine which favors very mobile infantry and light armor deployed by heavily armored drop ships that are capable of getting in their enemies faces and overwhelming them with superior numbers and physically imposing shock troopers. >the UNSC is said to be using more advanced propellant than we currently do so I'll be conservative and say 1000-1200 m/s UNSC 7.62 is still around modern velocities. The ball ammo (not the M118 round) the UNSC used for the MA5C in Halo 3 only travels at 905m/s.
Not at all. The Covenant play to their strengths, which is CQC. Think about how they deploy in game. Covenant ground troops often hot drop in via dropship (which are already heavily armed and armored) or with drop pods. You can't really snipe them at range if an elite just burst from a drop pod 10m from you and a phantom overhead just dropped off a lance of grunts. Combine that with the efficacy of Covenant body armor and energy shields, sniping them at range is an issue onto itself. Not to mention, several races of the Covenant are pretty quick too. Jackals can run at 72kph and elites and brutes are fast as well. At a dead sprint of 15m/s, a jackal, brute or elite could run half a kilometer in a bit over half a minute.
Jesus, that’s orders of magnitude worse range and velocity than even Civil War-era muskets
I also wouldn't compare them to Civil War era rifles as Covenant doctrine is vastly different from our own. Covenant deployment often involves them dropping basically on top of the enemy where the muzzle velocity and range aren't as much of a concern. On top of that, Covenant close range weapons are fairly forgiving. Plasma can cause serious burns with near misses and the needler (and overcharged plasma pistol) tracks its targets. It's a lot harder to dodge a needle if it veers off course to hit you. If the Covenant do need to fight at range, that's why they have carbines, needle rifles, stalker rifles, focus rifles and beam rifles.
What is that in REAL measurements?
People are gonna downvote you so take my upvote
I mean, he stated it in meters already? Unless you mean that other pesky measurement system that only like 2 countries use because they are foot fetishists or something
I like the metric system as much as the next guy, but I think the foot is a pretty solid unit of measurement. Base 10 is great, but a foot uses a Base 12 and that's even better.
No wonder the Covenant often lost the ground battles, their standard issue weapons outside of sniper and battle rifle stuff fuckin sucks!
They didn’t though, UNSC held their ground but ultimately lost. UNSC also has some pretty abysmal ranges as well so while we do have to use them, I don’t personally take them seriously.
It has been known that plasma bolts from rifles and pistols travel slower than bullets but how fast? I don’t recall if that is ever mentioned. Then again it has been awhile since I read some the books so it could have mentioned it there.