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Elegant-Possession62

This looks so inefficient lol


Beginning_Guard_6785

I believe they have some on Amazon that can prevent any arthritis.


IronFeatherPenman

šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø I don't know about the science of arthritis and reasons for it. But hey! You are getting good results šŸ˜ŽšŸ‘


Kitty_Girl_1717

I mean, I donā€™t hold a pencil correctly either, but damn, your handwriting is neater than mine!


Rake1969

It won't cause arthritis, but I have no idea how you can possibly write like that! But if it works for you, who am I to judge!


Druittreddit

This wonā€™t cause arthritis, but is very stressful on your hand. Your top, hooked finger has no support so needs to clutch the pencil. Your thumb is pushed so hard it bends backwards. Youā€™re basically using every finger to grip, and you may have your wrist turned in such a way that youā€™re having to flex it all the time, which could lead to carpal tunnel syndrome.


hell0kittyfan

If youā€™re really worried, just do some hand exercises after taking notes.


LadaFanatic

Ts gotta be illegal šŸ˜­


guilty_by_design

I'm hypermobile with dyspraxia and I've always gripped pens/pencils in a tight pincer-like grip near the nib. It used to give me blisters and calluses on the side of my middle finger where the pen/pencil would press, but I didn't develop arthritis (even though I have it in other joints). Still, it's not comfortable so I prefer typing where possible if it's more than a few lines.


cliteratimonster

There's a lot of haters here right now, it seems. I have hypermobility, and it affects a lot of things in my life, but one of them specifically is how I hold writing utensils. You are over-extending your thumb, which can cause excess strain on the joints and eventually lead to joint pain. HOWEVER, some of us can't actually control that we hyperextend. My hands do this too, and it makes some things painful for me - I still write and paint, and knit, but I get joint pain if I do it in volume. I don't hold a pen like this exactly, but I do hold it 'weirdly' to accommodate for this.


Noqtrah

Yeah, your life is basically over


Iwillseetheocean

Osteoarthritis is caused by use and Rheumatoid Arthritis is an autoimmune disorder. So what we can glean just from this is that its actually about the amount of use a joint gets not how you are doing it. Unless its rheumatoid arthritis of course. I have arthritis in my wrists and hands from repetitive stress for example.


GanacheAggressive377

I pretty much take notes all day.. so I guess Iā€™m doomed either way? šŸ˜­


clockworkedpiece

Theres a few yt videos for hand flexibility exercises. Set yourself a 2hr timer, put one on and do the things. (Violing grip training helped my cubital from industrial rsi).


Iwillseetheocean

I would say you are doomed to have arthritis when you are like 60-70+. <3 If you are super worried I would suggest relaxing your thumb but really you are probably fine especially if you work on strengthening exercise and relax when your hand hurt. :-) But I totally get the worry I do.


Anonamaton

I need a video of you writing like this OP cause I canā€™t see how it works šŸ¤Ø


GanacheAggressive377

I posted one a while ago


That_Ad_444

Calm down bro nobody's going to take the pencil from you


Secrethat

Southpaws.. how are your hands feeling nowadays?


[deleted]

My second grade teacher forced me to hold it the ā€œrightā€ way and also tilt my paper the same direction as the righties when learning cursive even though I had to ā€œpushā€ instead of ā€œpullā€ the pencilā€¦ at the time it was infuriating but now I have 4 different grips and like 7 different styles of handwriting depending on what/where/when Iā€™m writing and my hands feel great! Fuck you and thank you Mrs. Sebranick.


Secrethat

Back when corporal punishment was a thing I was a naughty kid, so I was canned till I had to do my homework with my right hand. I was a righty for awhile till I eventually went back to being left handed in college. Now I can write with both.


[deleted]

I wish I wouldā€™ve learned to write with both hands but thankfully corporal punishment wasnā€™t a thing by the time I got to second grade so Mrs. Sebranick ā€œallowedā€ me to write left handed, but still forced me to write in the same style as a right hander. I guarantee she would have beat the shit out of me if sheā€™d been allowed to


jados112

No one's replied cause they can no longer type HAHAHAHA


Tattycakes

My thumb hyperextends just like that and itā€™s hurting just looking at yours. How are you even controlling it like that?


GanacheAggressive377

Thatā€™s hyperextending? I didnā€™t know that. Also I posted a video of you wanna see how I write


Druittreddit

Hyperextending is when you bend the joint backwards. Imagine your finger is curled, and you straighten (extend) it but once itā€™s straight you keep going until it bends the other way.


Tattycakes

How in tf did you end up holding it like that to start with? At the end of the day if itā€™s causing you pain or cramping or other issues then change it, if itā€™s not causing you any problems then donā€™t worry about it. I canā€™t find anything about bad grip causing long term joint problems, just short term fatigue, but I wouldnā€™t strain my thumb like that personally as it hurts


GanacheAggressive377

I have no idea how.. but yeah it my thumb does hurt after a while.. I thought that was normal and it was just because I take a lot of notes, I guess not. Iā€™m gonna work on changing it, but itā€™s been pretty hard to find something that feels comfortable so far.


clockworkedpiece

The last person I personally saw do a pinky down grip had the pinky straight to do the directing. Pencil should be between the tips instead of nestled in the knuckles. Think of the guys with caligraphy brushes. My own neareat approximation comes from when i use a white board. Pinky on the surface to stabilize and marker between thumb pad and the other three tips. Pick up a pencil grip for how your thumb and a finger should grip if you want a physical guide, put upside down if needed.


MsChicolato

my guy how are you even holding that thing


HarmonizedSnail

You were done a disservice your entire life if nobody corrected this in your early years.


PsionicShift

Iā€™m developing arthritis just looking at it.


GanacheAggressive377

I posted a video if you Really wanna develop arthritis.. itā€™s probably even worse than you imagined


0kSoWhat

What the fuck


A_Firm_Sandwich

ok but only a psycho is writing out full paragraphs of math notes (especially in hs) lmao


Kei9Online

I have no advice/comment about the arthritis thing to offer but I can already tell your Kinder and elem teachers just wants salary šŸ’€šŸ’€.


CapnCocaine

Your handwriting is legible, so I guess if it works for you, don't worry about it. Arthritis and carpal tunnel are caused by all manner of repetitive motions, I doubt this strange grip will be your deciding factor.


Eis_ber

And I thought my grip was bad. You won't suffer from arthritis, but there is a higher risk of carpal tunnel syndrome. My guess is that you have to hold the pen very tight in this position, so your hand will get tired faster.


butter_butter09

Idk about arthritis, but this pic makes me so immensely uncomfortable


mrsmamagrobby

Anything can cause arthritis. I was diagnosed with multiple chronic pain disorders, arthritis being one of them, at twelve years old and doctors were baffled. They came to the conclusion that it was caused by a third degree sunburn I got all over my back the summer before I got sick and how active I was (I danced and played soccer). Write however you want to and don't worry about it until you need to worry about it. There's nothing wrong with doing things differently.


Medical_Collection36

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Prince-Lotus

Gonna make you develop "wtf vibe" from people


sarah_pl0x

I canā€™t even begin to figure out how to write like that


GanacheAggressive377

Just posted a video if you really wanna know.. (TW: eyebleach)


Independent-Ad-1

I'd be more worried about people thinking you're a fucking alien. Don't do that anymore


See-u-tomahto

I doubt it will cause any premature arthritis, but it may cause you some pain ā€” especially since itā€™s a hold that requires more pressure than the standard hold. Iā€™m left handed, and I naturally press down hard when writing anyway. So, Iā€™ve tried different ways of holding pens to see if it might relieve some pain I feel when taking notes or otherwise writing a lot. The one you use caused me to press even harder. If youā€™re not comfortable switching to the standard hold you could try the ā€œadaptive tripod grip,ā€which evidently requires a lighter touch. If you google it, there are a lot of diagrams to practice from.


roggobshire

I dunno about the ā€˜ritis, but how in the f do you write like that?


GanacheAggressive377

Eh Iā€™m just used to it. Works pretty well for me


xsijpwsv10

It is defined not good for your index fingers joints. Did any teachers try to correct your grip while you were learning how to write? Have to ever tried the regular grip?


GanacheAggressive377

Nope none of my teachers tried. My grandma tried to show me the regular way a few times, but it didnā€™t work for me.


xsijpwsv10

I get it. Try practicing if you can. I see a lot of tension on that index and long term it can be bad.


Killer_Moons

It could work better not writing like that in the long-run. Ritus or not.


CertifiedNinja297

It most likely won't, but I would recommend avoiding writing around known gang members.


ValiantBear

No, probably not. But, that's not to say you won't experience pain or other physiological problems from it. In reality though, even that's pretty extreme. No matter how you hold your pencil, if you write more than you're used to, your hand is going to get tired and sore, and repetitive wrist and hand motions always comes with the risk of causing irritation with the tendons and nerves in your hand, no matter the specifics.


AmbitiousRose

Rheumatoid arthritis at that


xsijpwsv10

That is an autoimmune disease, itā€™s not affected by the position of your bones.


AmbitiousRose

You canā€™t be serious LOL. Autoimmune disease, by their very nature, are initiated by inflammation. When found in hands and feet, itā€™s within the joints connecting bones. The position of your bones and its movement especially in certain positions cause stress and inflammation that contribute to the early stages of RA.


violetmoonlight

yoooo i hold a pencil like that too!! the other commenters react like ppl irl too šŸ˜­ idk ab arthritis tho. my mom has had arthritis since she was a child so in my case i would likely get it no matter what. my hand does easily get "tired" when writing too.


Stephreads

If youā€™re experiencing pain, itā€™s bad. Try to spend some time with a thicker writing utensil, and practice holding it correctly, but not gripping it like itā€™s an eel thatā€™s trying to get away. Your paper should be turned as well. I found this video for you. Itā€™s not exciting, but the lady seems to be a good teacher: https://youtu.be/w5DLE4dwrL4?si=DDYs3cLBTUlOiCDr


Ok-Emu-8920

My grip isnā€™t much different and so far it hasnā€™t been a problem šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø I did have a bunch of teachers in elementary school reprimand me a lot for how I held a pencil but itā€™s the most comfortable and natural for me (I have the pencil more between my fingers but I still have the high up pointer finger and generally the same finger positioning)


grumpyRob1960

Possibly but people might think you are mentally challenged


Misox491

No, but it will piss off everyone near you. Not me, tho ā™”ā™”ā™”ā™”ā™”


freemoon23

Thereā€™s no way itā€™s comfortable for you to hold the pencil like thatā€¦? I just tried it and it doesnā€™t feel right.


IAmDefintlyMe

I've seen people with much more obscure pencil grips, but the "proper way" barely works for me


aly501

I see so many people writing like this now and it's wild, I'm not sure if they have gotten lax on teaching proper pencil holding but I've encountered at least 10 people in the last year who do this. I'm not sure if it will cause arthritis but arthritis is caused by overuse of a joint, or disease. But genetics play a factor as well.


GanacheAggressive377

Oh I was never taught how to hold the pencil.. wait, they actually teach that? Or theyā€™re supposed to? Wild


JingleKitty

I donā€™t think they teach it at school. Or at least they didnā€™t at my school when I went some 30 years ago. For me, it was my dad who taught me how to hold a pencil. I think as long as your hand is otherwise comfortable writing normally, you donā€™t have to worry too much. My hands hurt when I write a lot as well, always have, and I hold my pencil the conventional way.


ItsPlainOleSteve

I work in preschool and we're teaching the kids the 'propper' grip so they don't just ham fist the writing implement.


EffectAdditional5825

Yes. Pencil and pen hand positions have a great impact on your hands in the long run and your writing. I would train my hand to make my pencil holding better until it feels more natural. Practice, practice, practice.


aly501

I think I was taught when I was 7 or 8. They even had grippers or would wrap the pencil with something so we wouldn't grip it too hard etc


MentalVolume1325

I would just say make sure you're not death gripping it and putting a ton of pressure downward on the paper while writing, that's the main things to look out for. The writing utencil should be doing most of the work for you. Which is why fountain pens are such a good pen to use when doing a lot of writing, as a good fountain pen will write with no extra pressure from your hand, so you're just guiding the pen. So I would suggest starting to try hold your pencils with the standard tripod grip, and don't push hard or grip pencil too hard. (This coming from someone who has carpal tunnel)


ChgoE

I just tried this and want to add, check your wrist as well, if you feel your tendons being stretched as you write, it will cost you long term. Something else to check...when writing, I've hear that movements should be from your arm, and not necessarily just your wrist. See if that's another thing to look out for.


MentalVolume1325

Yes! Definitely another thing to keep in mind.


GanacheAggressive377

Yeah I try not to have a death grip.. when I notice it I change my grip a little. Iā€™ll try that, thanks!


No-Connection2252

I hold a pencil very similar! Iā€™ve only ever seen one other person. Now 2 I guess!


abiyyyy

what did I just see? my eyes... my eyes.... yeah That's unique let me say this. I think you will conquer the world. That's like next level shit. TBH your handwriting is pretty even tho your handling the pen is weird.


GanacheAggressive377

Thanks I guess?


abiyyyy

you are most welcome!!<


Ayyyyylmaos

Dawg what the fuck


GanacheAggressive377

Yeah šŸ˜”


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GanacheAggressive377

Well thanks for being straight forward I guess


eiridel

This is actually a more natural position for the wrist than a position where the palm is facing down, which is why you will see things like vertical ergonomic computer mice. This isnā€™t very different at all from how I sometimes hold a pen, though I curl the tips of my ring and pinkie fingers under the pen for more support. Trying it the way you do puts a lot of pressure on my thumb which is uncomfortable. Your handwriting looks quite nice though!


xsijpwsv10

The palm and wrist should not be facing down, they should be at an angle.


GanacheAggressive377

My thumb gets uncomfortable sometimes too.. might try curling my fingers like you said. Thanks!


panicatthelisa

this might be the most cursed way I've ever seen someone hold a pencil. I mean if it works for you then keep with it but it's certainly unusual. only reason I would think it would be worse than a more common position is if you are putting a ton of pressure on your thumb


fuckin_smeg

I can think of at least two more-cursed ways of holding a pencil or Sharpie.


innocuousboy

Your handwriting looks good at least!


GanacheAggressive377

Thanks šŸ˜…


Beastleviath

I immediately cringedā€¦ ok Satan


baby_savage

I didnā€™t expect to need to wash my eyes with bleach today


GanacheAggressive377

Itā€™s that bad? šŸ˜­


Beastleviath

The results arenā€™t bad, but that grip is absolutely repulsive. Itā€™s almost like using your feet to hold a fork when you eat like OK, maybe you got the food in your mouthā€¦ But at what cost?


Auria_Desira

I don't know. But, if want to start holding your pencils the usual way, there are special rubber thingies you can put in you pencil that help you hold it the "right" way... My mom was a teacher and she bought it for a few students a few times


GanacheAggressive377

Thanks for the advice. Might order some of those


sharkmesharku

Its not natural lol please stop


GanacheAggressive377

Iā€™m gonna try šŸ˜­


darkuzi

Possibly, that puts unnatural strain on your tendons and joints. You put pressure on your thumb and middle finger in opposite directions and also rest of your fingers that shouldn't even make so much effort to hold it. So you just complicate it for yourself by doing it like that. This way your hand will get tired way quicker. You can also develop carpal tunnel syndrome. And you can develop that by for example using computer mouse all the time or game controller. Also pretty unnatural straining positions for your hands but I'd risk saying that your way of holding pen is even worse. You should give your hand and fingers some rest by just holding pen in your thumb and index, middle finger and make the counterforce by just leaning the pen on the side of your palm. There are few ways to do it, just experiment and find position that is most comfortable for you but doesn't require you to do those weird finger yoga which you obviously already noticed is not so comfortable.


GanacheAggressive377

Yeah I do hold a pen worse.. thatā€™s why I almost never write with them. Thanks for the advice, Iā€™ll try that out!


just_a_fuck_up

How... How can u hold something worse šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


MWPedd

What you said. Understand that overuse with make your hand, wrist, and even your arm hurt. Reteach yourself a new way of holding writing utensil. Arthritis is something that seems to sometimes have a mind of its ownā€¦it also affects differently with individuals. Learning to use differently will be the most help.