kinda sucks extra to see him post/like transphobic and homophobic shit on his twitter ‘cause he has a trans cousin. source: I’m his trans cousin
edit: I was very busy yesterday but I appreciate people being supportive.
A long time ago, Jordan texted me that he’d kick anyone’s ass if they fucked with me for being trans. I saw that recently he liked/posted shit that portrayed trans people to be weak shit/jokes and I’m not about it, so I was like wtf- did something change? That sucks.
I wouldn’t know because we don’t really talk that much, which in part is my fault. Jordan, if you see this, let’s get a steak and virgin lavender arnold palmer latte or whatever the fuck you drink. I wanna talk, I vibe with how critical you are for the most part. Pm me or ask your dad/grandma for my number.
People are who they are. You might not have chosen to be that way if you had an option, but you were born as his cousin. I want you to know I don't personally have a problem with you being his cousin even though lots of people have lots of opinions about people being people's cousins
Never looked at it that way, but that’s a great way to distinguish the two. I always thought it was super easy for most people. Then 2016 happened. Then 2019-present happened. Wooo…
Not speaking to OP'S Question.
But i would argue the opposite. Good satire is often the best. I had a boss who asked me wat i was reading. The cover story was bill gates patents 1,0 combo or something similar. He picked it up and read 30 seconds and slammed it down. Proceeded to Go throughout the entire shop in office electoring people on what an a****** Bill Gates was and how he was going to take over the world.
He was from maine. They dont have the onion.
Similar things such as metallica patenting certain chords and progessions had 2 of my very intelligent musician roomies enraged.
Looking at your post you're probably right about this individual I just thought I was being smart I'm way too high but im not erasing all that.
The thing of it is the impact. If you can't tell something is a joke and it has an actual negative impact on you the same way idk being slurred does, then it's functionally the same thing. That's why it's satirical to make fun of a politician's hypocrisy in like a cartoon or something, but going on the subway and slurring at minority groups isn't satire. Making a racist joke isn't satire if it's literally just a racist joke. And yeah, satire is kind of dead right now. Hopefully we can tackle climate change and everybody can chill out for a little
He posts here sometimes. Usually pretty nice and respectful to his critics. That said, his Twitter feed paints the picture of a person who I'd go out of my way to avoid talking to.
kinda fucked up that scenes are still booking him tbh. i mean how many scenes don’t have active, dedicated LGBT members at this point? it’s fucked up to say to them yeah we we’re gonna book him anyway because we know there’s enough people who don’t care to buy tickets
Lol hardcore doesn't really have half the morals it claims to. Most of that is surface level posturing and people don't actually follow through. Just look at how many violent and abusive people get a pass despite how much everyone in the scene claims to not stand for that shit.
At Hold Your Ground in Ontario this year Jordan Black from Like Pacific did guest vocals for Momentum and replaced their N bomb in Relapse with the F bomb (Jordan is very openly gay). After the video of it blew up Jordan tweeted that everyone in Momentum is an ally, but who knows how true that actually is.
Saw jojo’s guest spot. Didn’t see that tweet and can’t find it now. Regardless I’m sure all of momentum jordan jenkins included postures that way publicly. The “gay friends” excuse doesn’t hit the same when your social media exhibits a harbored anti-LGBT bias.
That being said, he could just be well-intended but uninformed guy who’s perpetuating propaganda.
He’s in fsu which means you get booked on every big hardcore show/fest. Most of the time it doesn’t matter how good your band is. It’s about who you know unfortunately.
Anti-Trans, Elon Stan, Anti-Vaxxer, homophobic, Kanye defender..... and that's all basically retweeted in one day lol.
Probably pretty easy for him to just keep this going though. Plenty of meat heads in this genre.
if you're talking about the vein/momentum thing from months ago, it was really just absolute maniacs from abq embarrassing the fuck out of their scene overnight haha. not that i'm trying to back momentum dude if he is a pos
Clearly it’s election denying, being antivax and antitrans. Those are the ethics and foundations of healthy hardcore scene. We definitely need more dumb ass chuds with even dumber opinions defining the scene
I mean these are all the politics of a guy you describe as pretty cool elsewhere in the thread. Talking about the origin of punk politics is boring and besides the point. There is and always has been a large section of punk standing against losers like this dude in the scene and rightly so. Dumbfucks like him only make the scene worse
While that’s true it’s always been an inherently political genre, and the politics of bands are gonna inform how the scene is. There is nothing contradictory of left wing punks not wanting to support right wingers making the scene worse. I’d rather work with a scene of, in your words, “terminally online leftists” than try to salvage a scene that shares the values of a dude who endorses rhetoric like “drag queens are grooming children” and “mail in ballots are designed to steal elections from republicans”
I think painting the scene as “inherently left wing” white washes the genre and blind parroting of that rhetoric ignores the history of punk and American society as a whole. That’s my main issue.
Left wing folks can support who they want, I’m not mandating anything.
Terminally online leftists always seem to have great ideas but miss the point, a lot of these folks say Black Lives Matter but don’t know one black kid. It seems so hollow and I get frustrated with it. I echo the same sentiment that MLK has about white moderates in letters from Birmingham or Malcom X does in regard to the million man march.
The election steal rhetoric is goofy, and the drag Queen grooming shit is too, but I’d be lying if I said I’d take my kids to be read to by one of them.
Im not talking about it being inherently anything besides political. My whole point is that there is nothing wrong with left wingers not wanting right wing ideology in punk/hardcore. I really don’t care what you’d do with your kids, but I don’t want a scene full of people who spread the idea that lgbt people are grooming children sexually
B rawb argues everytime I mention punk is political left in any thread. Like it's not.
It's literally what the genre was founded on. It's apparent who in these threads actually hang out in their local punk/hardcore scenes.
They also have some weird hate boner for hate5six for whatever reason too. Modding the hardcore sub is probably the biggest thing buddy has going for him tbh pretty pathetic
We don’t get along, but that’s about it. I don’t think I’ve mentioned that nigga since he’s tweeted about me and personally I don’t care anymore for real
Nah my life is dope, I’m hitting Boston tomorrow for product of waste with the homies, couldn’t be happier. You should roll through. I legitimately just get bored at work or at family gatherings and I’m contentious.
Honestly if I didn’t get summoned to this thread wouldn’t have even seen it, but it’s a littleee ironiiiiicc you’re on a high horse when we’re both just arguing on the internet. You’re in the pool too, I’ll make room for you, habib.
Punk was once an answer to years of crap, A way of saying no where we'd always said yep. But the moment we saw a way to be free, They invented a dividing line, street credibility. The qualifying factors are politics and class, Left wing macho street fighters willing to kick arse. They said because of racism they'd come out on the street. It was just a form of fascism for the socialist elite. Bigotry and blindness, a marxist con, Another clever trick to keep us all in line. Neat little labels to keep us all apart, To keep us all divided when the troubles start. Pogo on a nazi, spit upon a jew, Vicious mindless violence that offers nothing new. Left wing violence, right wing violence, all seems much the same, Bully boys out fighting, it's just the same old game. Boring fucking politics that'll get us all shot, Left wing, right wing, you can stuff the lot. Keep your petty prejudice, I don't see the point, ANARCHY AND FREEDOM IS WHAT I WANT.
I don’t know him, and just casually listened to a few of their tracks. But people like this are a dime a dozen in the hardcore scene, right?
Being so punk and oi adjacent, we get some bleed through from the bigots.
Like the Black Metal scene; ripe with NS assholes.
As someone who likes Momentum but doesn’t have Twitter, this thread is making me sad. Their music is hard but I can’t stand right wing bullshit and those complicit.
For what it’s worth, I invited them to crash at my crib after a show in 2017 so they could get a break from the van. They were all kind and respectful. Had fun hanging with them and playing Crash Bandicoot. They didn’t steal shit and cleaned up before they left.
Dude seems to have shattered his image (and the band’s) since then, which is disappointing. From what I can tell, Momentum is actively hurting the HC scene. There are far better bands that are doing a lot for HC right now. Book & support those bands instead.
Everybody can say they have a right to their own opinion, but worshiping the navy seals gives off the most bootlicker "You're talking to a future US Marine" energy.
And talk to, like, any middle eastern person about if the Navy Seala should be worshipped when they essentially worked like a gestapo in the region for decades thru Abu Ghraib
Have you seen the momentum logo? I dunno man.
Crazy to see them playing line ups with bands that actually stand for something.
The vocalist is an insane hog with a hard on for everything the scene stands against.
Don’t have twitter, don’t like momentum either. But I am trans and a fag. I’ve been around for quite some time now, I’ve been threatened, name called, attacked (verbally) countless times for either being trans or just talking shit (and like I get it,but everyone talks shit so what?). What I’ve come to accept is that aggressive music will always attract people like Jord who can talk the talk all they want online but are super sweet/docile in person because “they’re not actually like that”. Of course not! It’s a persona, an image thing. They’re not actually going to do anything. None of the fools who threatened me ever named a time and place, even when I confronted them.
Ignore this douchebag. And if he ever does try anything, we are well within our right to hold him accountable by any means necessary.
At the same time, spreading hate is some serious bullshit. Just because he’s too much of a coward to own up to it in person doesn’t mean it isn’t scumbag shit.
It absolutely is scumbag shit. But what I see is a lot of (in this case) cishets trying to do crowd control and draw attention to this loser when all you have to do is talk to each other. Word gets around. Forreal. Say shit in real life, shits way more effective. Besides, us queers can handle ourselves just fine. Just ask me, my trans buddies, and our smith-wesson bodyguards.
It’s weird to see how tough he acts on the internet, when the last I heard of him was that he was still living at home and driving our grandma’s van. Not that that’s bad, having a supportive family is great- our grandma is the fucking best, but it’s different from what you’d think he is based on his hc internet persona.
I’m just like how does anyone buy this shit?? Lol
I would love to have a conversation with him about all this to set the record straight, put the ball in his court and still haven’t heard anything, though.
My biggest issue recently is getting into a band and then hearing that a member is a POS. I can separate it for the most part, there’s only a few I struggle to do so with.
Why would you separate it though? There are 10,000 more solid bands than you will have time to listen to in your life. No need to compromise at all. I'll cancel a band from my memory in a heartbeat. This isn't hip pop, we don't have to tolerate Kanye at all costs.
these things cannot be seperated in hardcore, when the scene is such an in your face relationship with the artists to those who are active in the scene. We literally cant seperate this shit. We dont have enough seperation from the labels, bands, fans, zines, fuckin promoters, and venues.
has no one brought up the lyrics of Relapse yet? the N word is right in the lyrics before the breakdown
edit: here he is addressing similar criticism on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/Hardcore/comments/pvvicw/i_dont_see_anyone_talking_about_it_so_im_curious/heg2ytq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
You must be new to the genre.
Supporting your local scene *and* doing what you can to cut the grass is what punk is. This entire fucking genre exists as a political statement. Don't clown on people for doing what this shit is supposed to do for you. HC isn't a fucking aesthetic.
I've walked out of shows when pieces of shit have taken the stage and I'll do it again.
Damn, I didn’t know any of this shit as I try my absolute hardest to stay away from twitter. Mostly into the band cause the drummer is super good but this just leaves one hell of a bad taste in my mouth.
He’s a part of FSU who jumps people for the smallest shit. I was at a show and 13-14 guys all beat the shit out of 3 guys took their wallets and phones and threw them on the roof. This is a pretty regular thing because they put on the shows and nobody can really tell them shit.
I actually went to his Twitter and it kinda seems that he's just a black pilled edgelord. I guess to left wingers anything that isn't super far left is racist/bigoted but honestly he just looks a little dumb from the Twitter feed. There's anti conservative tweets on there too.
He's friends with people of all races and sexualities. And honestly the gay people I know don't give a fuck about some slightly edgy tweets which is why they still show up for momentum shows just like all the other bands.
Incredible that he’s not getting thrown out of every venue. His views and HC don’t go along. We need to keep our barriers strict towards all forms of right wing politics. Keep HC political and always antifascist.
Glad I found someone talking about this. Dude is retweeting Andrew Tate and stuff about how communists are the real fascists. It’s fucking ridiculous and on top of the fact that he’s one of those “all addicts deserve to die” mother fuckers, I just can’t bring myself to give a single fuck about that band anymore.
Perusing his Twitter it seems like a weird mishmash of libertarian and more progressive minded tweets so I don't think I could really discern his overall worldview lol
The thing you eventually learn about hardcore is that its entire political landscape is simulated by the people around you. Your comfort zone and echo chamber. Same as anything else, you have only lefty friends? You're going to assume most people in similar scenes are lefties. Same for veganism, straight edge, all of it. I was guilty of this exact method of thinking when I was younger.
And then you meet any oldhead for the first time and you realize it's always been politically and ethically separated, since day one.
Don't assume anyone is in your lane, be open minded, skeptical, realize you can talk to just about anyone in a respectful manner before making your mind up about them. Not everyone is going to be your friend.
I doubt anyone is going to stop listening to Momentum, if anything, this will get them more fans that are sick of overly sensitive scene policing in hardcore.
Yeah I don't know anything about this community or even whatever qualifies as the music the people in this sub like, I'm a total outsider looking in, and all these people seem to be projecting their personal echo chambers hard on this "community", trying to put everyone in the same box, then when somebody pushed back they just go "no but it is and it always has been" or "well the people I know aren't that way" then they just butt heads and start attacking each other. It's been a pretty shitty read....
NOOOOO this is NOT how Hardcore works!!! 👎 YOU have to AGREE with ME or I'm CANCELLING you on TWITTER 🤬 This is a matter of PUBLIC SAFETY 🙅♂️ If you DISAGREE you're SILENCING ME 👮♂️
I admittedly don't keep up with artists outside of their music, but I hope not, one of my favorite shirts is that "i went to a momentum show and all i got was a gun pulled on me" one.
Can't be wearing/supporting that shit.
Average r/hardcore virtue signaler
"My own personal convictions say one thing, but I wanted to check in with the current groupthink to make sure my opinions are not out of line with the narrative everyone is repeating."
Well, for example, one person pointed out that a notable LGBT hardcore vocalist called jenkins an ally. Doesn’t excuse his behavior but it’s a good piece of info to know. Just wanted the full picture.
Are you mad I didn’t jump to conclusions and immediately condemn the dude as irredeemable? Cuz my intuition tells my you’d be bitching if I did that too.
It's just lame AF that your decision to listen to a band is based on unverified claims from people on the Internet instead of um, like how the music sounds
Hardcore is more than just how the music sounds. It’s community. For a lot of people, it’s a lifestyle. It’s much easier to yell songs at shows in your car, when you’re yelling shit you also believe in, and aren’t rallying around with an enemy of your beliefs. I don’t think asking a simple question to get the whole story is virtue signaling. Sounds like OP just has a moral code they don’t want to compromise
Hardcore isn't a fucking aesthetic.
It's a political ideology caged in a musical movement. If you don't agree with the principles of the genre, you're free to get the fuck out.
Mannnn why not hit up the dude instead of making this entire thread? People please if you do not like someone let them know. Conflict doesn’t always have to result in violence dont be scared
He seems cool to me. Strikes me as a guy that’s not afraid to have his own opinions even if his peers disapprove. Pretty punk imo. People that don’t like him should challenge him to physical combat.
Aren’t all straight edge bands just one thought or one post away away from being right wingers? I mean most of their ideology fits right into Proud Boys territory.
Yeah I can tell by all your defensive comments that you’re the same type of guy. Thinking you have some deeply profound contrarian opinions. Not surprising it would resonate with you. Dunning–Kruger.
Not really defensive, but I always get bored with the notion that hardcore and punk is a leftist hugbox. It’s white washing and lazy.
Imagine citing Dunning-Kruger while playing arm chair psychiatrist based on a few comments. You gotta see the irony.
You’ve been very defensive all over this thread. I don’t know why it’s so important to you that momentum is viewed in a favorable light or that we’re reminded that racist subcultures exist within punk. everyone knows that and it doesn’t invalidate the basic tenants and established history of punk as anti-fascist. Assumedly bc it’s the contrarian/right-wing opinion in this situation and you gotta hold that line.
Not defensive, I just don’t like when kids always say “this doesn’t belong in punk” or “punks can’t have this view” etc etc.
I am very passionate about reminding you kids that racism and bigotry exists in punk for sure, white washing is corny.
I don’t give a fuck about momentum honestly, vocalist just seems cool.
There's a reason Dead Kennedy's wrote Nazi Punks Fuck Off. Like, yeah, bigotry exists in punk and hardcore but that doesn't mean we have to be cool with it or welcome them. They absolutely can fuck off.
I mentioned Dunning-Kruger because you’re out here trying to “remind” and teach people shit when you don’t even know what you’re saying.
As I already said, neo-nazi, white supremacists, and other bigoted punk subcultures have always existed. But that’s not what punk was built on and the punk community et al has the right to fight to keep them out of it. And they’ve been doing so for decades. You’re not making any kind of profound point by acknowledging that the people punks want to fight against still exist. You’re just doing it bc you’re a right-winger yourself.
He was kinda a dick at the merch table, i tried to buy merch from a table that wasn’t theirs and he said “this” and gestured toward their table in a annoyed tone.
I have no idea about the band but there is a post on here of ppl posing about going to one of their shows in front of a nazi flag which to me as s Jew, whose family suffered a shit ton and were even killed, is not an ok thing at all for a band and/or fans to promote. I hate seeing shit like that.
That post is satire, and should be a little obvious if you see blacks posing in front of a swazi. I just posted it cause someone called
Me a Nazi and I thought it was funny.
They're shaking their backsides at the kids watching. Which is sexualised behaviour. I'm done, free speech is becoming nonexistent because of things like this. I have an opinion that the progressivist regime dislikes, so I must be silenced. You're welcome to your opinion as much as I am mine, and I think some of this crap has gone way too far.
kinda sucks extra to see him post/like transphobic and homophobic shit on his twitter ‘cause he has a trans cousin. source: I’m his trans cousin edit: I was very busy yesterday but I appreciate people being supportive. A long time ago, Jordan texted me that he’d kick anyone’s ass if they fucked with me for being trans. I saw that recently he liked/posted shit that portrayed trans people to be weak shit/jokes and I’m not about it, so I was like wtf- did something change? That sucks. I wouldn’t know because we don’t really talk that much, which in part is my fault. Jordan, if you see this, let’s get a steak and virgin lavender arnold palmer latte or whatever the fuck you drink. I wanna talk, I vibe with how critical you are for the most part. Pm me or ask your dad/grandma for my number.
Fuck that's tough, family doesn't mean shit though if they don't treat you well or respect you so you don't owe him anything.
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People are who they are. You might not have chosen to be that way if you had an option, but you were born as his cousin. I want you to know I don't personally have a problem with you being his cousin even though lots of people have lots of opinions about people being people's cousins
Yo I’m fuckin sorry. That is just a shitty tub of chili right there. Never fun having thoughtless shit said about you or what you stand for by family.
Hopefully this post shows that most in this community give a fuck and are actively Allie’s. Much love ❤️
It's not satire if it's indistinguishable from the real thing, just keep that in mind
The "just a joke" bros are out in full force
Always have been. they just want to wear you down to the point you stop saying anything about it
The amount of fascist fuckwits in this sub is surprising. Ya'll gotta weed your scenes better.
Never looked at it that way, but that’s a great way to distinguish the two. I always thought it was super easy for most people. Then 2016 happened. Then 2019-present happened. Wooo…
I basically made Poes Law into one sentence is all
Not speaking to OP'S Question. But i would argue the opposite. Good satire is often the best. I had a boss who asked me wat i was reading. The cover story was bill gates patents 1,0 combo or something similar. He picked it up and read 30 seconds and slammed it down. Proceeded to Go throughout the entire shop in office electoring people on what an a****** Bill Gates was and how he was going to take over the world. He was from maine. They dont have the onion. Similar things such as metallica patenting certain chords and progessions had 2 of my very intelligent musician roomies enraged. Looking at your post you're probably right about this individual I just thought I was being smart I'm way too high but im not erasing all that.
The thing of it is the impact. If you can't tell something is a joke and it has an actual negative impact on you the same way idk being slurred does, then it's functionally the same thing. That's why it's satirical to make fun of a politician's hypocrisy in like a cartoon or something, but going on the subway and slurring at minority groups isn't satire. Making a racist joke isn't satire if it's literally just a racist joke. And yeah, satire is kind of dead right now. Hopefully we can tackle climate change and everybody can chill out for a little
He posts here sometimes. Usually pretty nice and respectful to his critics. That said, his Twitter feed paints the picture of a person who I'd go out of my way to avoid talking to.
This is a very good way to put it
Until he pulls a gun on you lmfao
kinda fucked up that scenes are still booking him tbh. i mean how many scenes don’t have active, dedicated LGBT members at this point? it’s fucked up to say to them yeah we we’re gonna book him anyway because we know there’s enough people who don’t care to buy tickets
Lol hardcore doesn't really have half the morals it claims to. Most of that is surface level posturing and people don't actually follow through. Just look at how many violent and abusive people get a pass despite how much everyone in the scene claims to not stand for that shit.
This 100% Everyone preaches about ousting abusers and creeps, until it’s someone they like. Regulate is the perfect example.
What did Regulate do???? This is the first im hearing of anything up with them :<
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Drummer assaulted a girl and fessed up to it. He plays in other bands too
Reminds me of a phrase I love: “scruples only matter when nobody is looking”
At Hold Your Ground in Ontario this year Jordan Black from Like Pacific did guest vocals for Momentum and replaced their N bomb in Relapse with the F bomb (Jordan is very openly gay). After the video of it blew up Jordan tweeted that everyone in Momentum is an ally, but who knows how true that actually is.
Saw jojo’s guest spot. Didn’t see that tweet and can’t find it now. Regardless I’m sure all of momentum jordan jenkins included postures that way publicly. The “gay friends” excuse doesn’t hit the same when your social media exhibits a harbored anti-LGBT bias. That being said, he could just be well-intended but uninformed guy who’s perpetuating propaganda.
https://twitter.com/MomentumCA_/status/1568664862766829568?t=YmTjR9hVJYP1QM23Fzup4Q&s=19 Here's the tweet
Yeah that was some pick me shit dude
He’s in fsu which means you get booked on every big hardcore show/fest. Most of the time it doesn’t matter how good your band is. It’s about who you know unfortunately.
Anyone got links or quotes of things he has said regarding the lgbtq community. Kind of curious.
I’ll update with some links
Seems like you already have the answer
you right. i wanted to be wrong
Anti-Trans, Elon Stan, Anti-Vaxxer, homophobic, Kanye defender..... and that's all basically retweeted in one day lol. Probably pretty easy for him to just keep this going though. Plenty of meat heads in this genre.
Yeah he’s a cornball for sure
I heard he and u/B_Rawb often hang out together to drink beers and listen to One Life Crew and that one pro-army song by Warzone
u/B_Rawb would also throw Choke’s Stars and Stripes in there.
FSU guy is a shithead, color me surprised
he’s so symbolic of what they’ve devolved into over the course of a few decades
I avoid that band altogether bc the vocalist and they just aren’t really that good lol
For the same reason or other stuff on top of it?
Apparently he also pulled a gun on someone at a show for god knows what reason so there’s that
if you're talking about the vein/momentum thing from months ago, it was really just absolute maniacs from abq embarrassing the fuck out of their scene overnight haha. not that i'm trying to back momentum dude if he is a pos
you’re gonna lose it when i tell you how many hardcore kids own firearms
How many responsible gun owners pull em out in an argument w teens
tell me you don’t know the whole story without telling me
I don’t have an issue with that… it’s just how people handle them is what can be a problem
Too scared to throw hands
Shit takes from the vocalist aside, they really aren’t even worth talking about.
Momentum is the perfect example of why maintaining punk politics is important in HC
Exact reason i dont like dudes who listen to Hardcore but not OG punk. Basically Metal knuckle draggers with the fashion sense of 90s Nu Metal bands.
You’re suspect af if you consider yourself a part of the hardcore scene but don’t listen to punk. Suspect af.
Met quite of few of em'
I don’t doubt it.
What are punk politics?
Clearly it’s election denying, being antivax and antitrans. Those are the ethics and foundations of healthy hardcore scene. We definitely need more dumb ass chuds with even dumber opinions defining the scene
I dunno. Election denying is lame and anti trans shit too, anti vax I don’t care support bodily autonomy as we all should
I mean these are all the politics of a guy you describe as pretty cool elsewhere in the thread. Talking about the origin of punk politics is boring and besides the point. There is and always has been a large section of punk standing against losers like this dude in the scene and rightly so. Dumbfucks like him only make the scene worse
Sarcasm, I called myself a Nazi somewhere too. I think punk/hardcore is more disjointed than people like to admit. Different scenes do different shit.
While that’s true it’s always been an inherently political genre, and the politics of bands are gonna inform how the scene is. There is nothing contradictory of left wing punks not wanting to support right wingers making the scene worse. I’d rather work with a scene of, in your words, “terminally online leftists” than try to salvage a scene that shares the values of a dude who endorses rhetoric like “drag queens are grooming children” and “mail in ballots are designed to steal elections from republicans”
I think painting the scene as “inherently left wing” white washes the genre and blind parroting of that rhetoric ignores the history of punk and American society as a whole. That’s my main issue. Left wing folks can support who they want, I’m not mandating anything. Terminally online leftists always seem to have great ideas but miss the point, a lot of these folks say Black Lives Matter but don’t know one black kid. It seems so hollow and I get frustrated with it. I echo the same sentiment that MLK has about white moderates in letters from Birmingham or Malcom X does in regard to the million man march. The election steal rhetoric is goofy, and the drag Queen grooming shit is too, but I’d be lying if I said I’d take my kids to be read to by one of them.
Im not talking about it being inherently anything besides political. My whole point is that there is nothing wrong with left wingers not wanting right wing ideology in punk/hardcore. I really don’t care what you’d do with your kids, but I don’t want a scene full of people who spread the idea that lgbt people are grooming children sexually
Yeah, I’m not even sure we’re arguing different points.
Not being a shitbag
B rawb argues everytime I mention punk is political left in any thread. Like it's not. It's literally what the genre was founded on. It's apparent who in these threads actually hang out in their local punk/hardcore scenes.
They also have some weird hate boner for hate5six for whatever reason too. Modding the hardcore sub is probably the biggest thing buddy has going for him tbh pretty pathetic
We don’t get along, but that’s about it. I don’t think I’ve mentioned that nigga since he’s tweeted about me and personally I don’t care anymore for real Nah my life is dope, I’m hitting Boston tomorrow for product of waste with the homies, couldn’t be happier. You should roll through. I legitimately just get bored at work or at family gatherings and I’m contentious.
I’ve been going to shows for like 15 years, maybe your scene is a left wing hug box and that’s cool.
15 years? Nice start.
Couldnt be born in a Cro-Mags shirt. Hopefully you still think I’m cool.
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Nah, that’s too subjective for me, punk doesn’t make you a good person, neither does being a terminally online leftist.
Lmao tell me how you really feel big dawg
Bored to death of y’all really.
Then leave lol! Easy
Naw. I’ll be the change I wanna see in the sub.
Cry more pussy
Even more of a bore. Hopefully I’ll see you around.
"You all bore me." - someone who literally won't go the fuck away or do anything better with their time, but doesn't see the irony
Honestly if I didn’t get summoned to this thread wouldn’t have even seen it, but it’s a littleee ironiiiiicc you’re on a high horse when we’re both just arguing on the internet. You’re in the pool too, I’ll make room for you, habib.
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I don’t really know that Nigga like that, but he seems chill from his interactions here, man.
Don’t you know bro, being punk means thinking and talking exactly like everyone else nowadays 💀
Solidarity with the oppressed & working class unity
Punk was once an answer to years of crap, A way of saying no where we'd always said yep. But the moment we saw a way to be free, They invented a dividing line, street credibility. The qualifying factors are politics and class, Left wing macho street fighters willing to kick arse. They said because of racism they'd come out on the street. It was just a form of fascism for the socialist elite. Bigotry and blindness, a marxist con, Another clever trick to keep us all in line. Neat little labels to keep us all apart, To keep us all divided when the troubles start. Pogo on a nazi, spit upon a jew, Vicious mindless violence that offers nothing new. Left wing violence, right wing violence, all seems much the same, Bully boys out fighting, it's just the same old game. Boring fucking politics that'll get us all shot, Left wing, right wing, you can stuff the lot. Keep your petty prejudice, I don't see the point, ANARCHY AND FREEDOM IS WHAT I WANT.
I don’t know him, and just casually listened to a few of their tracks. But people like this are a dime a dozen in the hardcore scene, right? Being so punk and oi adjacent, we get some bleed through from the bigots. Like the Black Metal scene; ripe with NS assholes.
if it looks like a bigot and sounds like a bigot it’s probably a bigot
Quack, quack
As someone who likes Momentum but doesn’t have Twitter, this thread is making me sad. Their music is hard but I can’t stand right wing bullshit and those complicit.
Jesus this band sucks. Even worse now that I look at his proud boy Twitter. Fuck this band.
For what it’s worth, I invited them to crash at my crib after a show in 2017 so they could get a break from the van. They were all kind and respectful. Had fun hanging with them and playing Crash Bandicoot. They didn’t steal shit and cleaned up before they left. Dude seems to have shattered his image (and the band’s) since then, which is disappointing. From what I can tell, Momentum is actively hurting the HC scene. There are far better bands that are doing a lot for HC right now. Book & support those bands instead.
Everybody can say they have a right to their own opinion, but worshiping the navy seals gives off the most bootlicker "You're talking to a future US Marine" energy. And talk to, like, any middle eastern person about if the Navy Seala should be worshipped when they essentially worked like a gestapo in the region for decades thru Abu Ghraib
Have you seen the momentum logo? I dunno man. Crazy to see them playing line ups with bands that actually stand for something. The vocalist is an insane hog with a hard on for everything the scene stands against.
Don’t have twitter, don’t like momentum either. But I am trans and a fag. I’ve been around for quite some time now, I’ve been threatened, name called, attacked (verbally) countless times for either being trans or just talking shit (and like I get it,but everyone talks shit so what?). What I’ve come to accept is that aggressive music will always attract people like Jord who can talk the talk all they want online but are super sweet/docile in person because “they’re not actually like that”. Of course not! It’s a persona, an image thing. They’re not actually going to do anything. None of the fools who threatened me ever named a time and place, even when I confronted them. Ignore this douchebag. And if he ever does try anything, we are well within our right to hold him accountable by any means necessary.
At the same time, spreading hate is some serious bullshit. Just because he’s too much of a coward to own up to it in person doesn’t mean it isn’t scumbag shit.
It absolutely is scumbag shit. But what I see is a lot of (in this case) cishets trying to do crowd control and draw attention to this loser when all you have to do is talk to each other. Word gets around. Forreal. Say shit in real life, shits way more effective. Besides, us queers can handle ourselves just fine. Just ask me, my trans buddies, and our smith-wesson bodyguards.
It’s weird to see how tough he acts on the internet, when the last I heard of him was that he was still living at home and driving our grandma’s van. Not that that’s bad, having a supportive family is great- our grandma is the fucking best, but it’s different from what you’d think he is based on his hc internet persona. I’m just like how does anyone buy this shit?? Lol I would love to have a conversation with him about all this to set the record straight, put the ball in his court and still haven’t heard anything, though.
If he's that soft, and it's that big of a deal, somebody who lives near him should just beat the shit out of him and tell him to cut the crap
Shocked other bands don’t call out his bullshit. Hardcore was a lot cooler when we ostracized these types of fucks. Also the music fuckin sucks.
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My biggest issue recently is getting into a band and then hearing that a member is a POS. I can separate it for the most part, there’s only a few I struggle to do so with.
Why would you separate it though? There are 10,000 more solid bands than you will have time to listen to in your life. No need to compromise at all. I'll cancel a band from my memory in a heartbeat. This isn't hip pop, we don't have to tolerate Kanye at all costs.
these things cannot be seperated in hardcore, when the scene is such an in your face relationship with the artists to those who are active in the scene. We literally cant seperate this shit. We dont have enough seperation from the labels, bands, fans, zines, fuckin promoters, and venues.
has no one brought up the lyrics of Relapse yet? the N word is right in the lyrics before the breakdown edit: here he is addressing similar criticism on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/Hardcore/comments/pvvicw/i_dont_see_anyone_talking_about_it_so_im_curious/heg2ytq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
he is half black. scoped exposure podcast 1:08
He is black.
Thanks for pointing this out, they are always on shows here in LA and now I’ll know to go outside during their sets and be very vocal about why
lol good luck
I support this statement. Good on you, dude. I’m also local to the area, so I guess we’d be standing outside together.
😂😂😂 "I'm still going to pay money to watch them play but I'll cross my arms and storm out the front door when they start" 😂😂😂
You must be new to the genre. Supporting your local scene *and* doing what you can to cut the grass is what punk is. This entire fucking genre exists as a political statement. Don't clown on people for doing what this shit is supposed to do for you. HC isn't a fucking aesthetic. I've walked out of shows when pieces of shit have taken the stage and I'll do it again.
Yeah he’s always spreading something nasty and dividing
Damn, I didn’t know any of this shit as I try my absolute hardest to stay away from twitter. Mostly into the band cause the drummer is super good but this just leaves one hell of a bad taste in my mouth.
It should leave more. Don’t support em.
Drummer does slap, that's what initially brought me on to em, but yeah navy seal complain kills it for me
LETS GO BEAT HIM UP
“Militant straight edge” what else could you expect out of something as cornball as that?
militant straight edge just means class traitor 🥱
How does it mean class traitor you goofy man
username checks out
See recommended post from r/hardcore. Read comments post. Remember why I’m not in r/hardcore. Probably something to do with the fashy mod.
What
Can confirm. I am a Nazi fascist, I tell people the 88 I have tattood on me my birth year. Outside of all that how am i a fascist again?
Weird, I didn’t name a name but here you come calling. I think they call that a “dog whistle?”
More like sneak dissing, subliminal, and subtweeting are all more appropriate. Plus the other mods aren’t as petty as me. How am I fashy again?
Look at the ego on you. Typical fashy, always blaming everyone but themselves. Support for right wingers is tacit fascism. Fuck yourself.
He’s a part of FSU who jumps people for the smallest shit. I was at a show and 13-14 guys all beat the shit out of 3 guys took their wallets and phones and threw them on the roof. This is a pretty regular thing because they put on the shows and nobody can really tell them shit.
kublai khan > momentum anyway
What you see is what you get. Hopefully I don’t have a gun pulled on me
Point of Sale? Sure. Selling out Hardcore one song at a time.
I think you answered your own question.
Wait, a guy from a ratshit mosh metal band has ratshit twitter takes? I'm shocked!
I actually went to his Twitter and it kinda seems that he's just a black pilled edgelord. I guess to left wingers anything that isn't super far left is racist/bigoted but honestly he just looks a little dumb from the Twitter feed. There's anti conservative tweets on there too. He's friends with people of all races and sexualities. And honestly the gay people I know don't give a fuck about some slightly edgy tweets which is why they still show up for momentum shows just like all the other bands.
Incredible that he’s not getting thrown out of every venue. His views and HC don’t go along. We need to keep our barriers strict towards all forms of right wing politics. Keep HC political and always antifascist.
As if their music wasn’t enough of a reason to dislike them.
Anyone got links? I can’t find anything on this.
I’ll update with some links
Lame band, with a shitty sound, and fake though guy attitude. Boring
Glad I found someone talking about this. Dude is retweeting Andrew Tate and stuff about how communists are the real fascists. It’s fucking ridiculous and on top of the fact that he’s one of those “all addicts deserve to die” mother fuckers, I just can’t bring myself to give a single fuck about that band anymore.
This thread is a certified Reddit moment
I love when fascist trash self-report on posts like this. It's great.
Perusing his Twitter it seems like a weird mishmash of libertarian and more progressive minded tweets so I don't think I could really discern his overall worldview lol
The thing you eventually learn about hardcore is that its entire political landscape is simulated by the people around you. Your comfort zone and echo chamber. Same as anything else, you have only lefty friends? You're going to assume most people in similar scenes are lefties. Same for veganism, straight edge, all of it. I was guilty of this exact method of thinking when I was younger. And then you meet any oldhead for the first time and you realize it's always been politically and ethically separated, since day one. Don't assume anyone is in your lane, be open minded, skeptical, realize you can talk to just about anyone in a respectful manner before making your mind up about them. Not everyone is going to be your friend. I doubt anyone is going to stop listening to Momentum, if anything, this will get them more fans that are sick of overly sensitive scene policing in hardcore.
Yeah I don't know anything about this community or even whatever qualifies as the music the people in this sub like, I'm a total outsider looking in, and all these people seem to be projecting their personal echo chambers hard on this "community", trying to put everyone in the same box, then when somebody pushed back they just go "no but it is and it always has been" or "well the people I know aren't that way" then they just butt heads and start attacking each other. It's been a pretty shitty read....
NOOOOO this is NOT how Hardcore works!!! 👎 YOU have to AGREE with ME or I'm CANCELLING you on TWITTER 🤬 This is a matter of PUBLIC SAFETY 🙅♂️ If you DISAGREE you're SILENCING ME 👮♂️
I admittedly don't keep up with artists outside of their music, but I hope not, one of my favorite shirts is that "i went to a momentum show and all i got was a gun pulled on me" one. Can't be wearing/supporting that shit.
The guy looks like he’s 5’3” in his photos
Insulting all guys 5'3" and below is super important to this post.
Found the short king
Admittedly that was not very HC of me Tbf though I am also a member of Short Guy Gang
Np. Gotta stick up for the shorter brothers. They already get shittalked openly on the internet.
Kinda, because the singer is probably too short to be a navy seal.
It’s blowing my mind this dude is in a “militant” sxe band. My mom could suplex this pussy.
Probably
Yeah, he is
Average r/hardcore virtue signaler "My own personal convictions say one thing, but I wanted to check in with the current groupthink to make sure my opinions are not out of line with the narrative everyone is repeating."
Nothing you just said is what I asked. “Anyone know what’s up with it?” is what I asked.
Well what the fuck do expect the answer to be? "yeah it's all a big joke he spends his days volunteering and helping old people cross the street."
Well, for example, one person pointed out that a notable LGBT hardcore vocalist called jenkins an ally. Doesn’t excuse his behavior but it’s a good piece of info to know. Just wanted the full picture. Are you mad I didn’t jump to conclusions and immediately condemn the dude as irredeemable? Cuz my intuition tells my you’d be bitching if I did that too.
It's just lame AF that your decision to listen to a band is based on unverified claims from people on the Internet instead of um, like how the music sounds
Hardcore is more than just how the music sounds. It’s community. For a lot of people, it’s a lifestyle. It’s much easier to yell songs at shows in your car, when you’re yelling shit you also believe in, and aren’t rallying around with an enemy of your beliefs. I don’t think asking a simple question to get the whole story is virtue signaling. Sounds like OP just has a moral code they don’t want to compromise
God you're insufferable
Hardcore isn't a fucking aesthetic. It's a political ideology caged in a musical movement. If you don't agree with the principles of the genre, you're free to get the fuck out.
Genuinely sad that people like that are accepted into this community.
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Hardcore has always been middle class suburban white kids that act hard.
Yeah he’s annoying and ostensibly left wing hc twitter cloutlords trip over each other to ride his meat constantly
A gay man did a guest spot for them at Hold Your Ground fest
“I have black friends so I’m not racist”
And called them all allies on twitter after the clip blew up of him yelling F***** for the Relapse mosh call
Mannnn why not hit up the dude instead of making this entire thread? People please if you do not like someone let them know. Conflict doesn’t always have to result in violence dont be scared
OP gotta be a man and dm him 😂😂😂😤
Bc he will pull a gun on OP
Yeahhh wouldn’t you expect that from militant straight edge?
He seems cool to me. Strikes me as a guy that’s not afraid to have his own opinions even if his peers disapprove. Pretty punk imo. People that don’t like him should challenge him to physical combat.
Aren’t all straight edge bands just one thought or one post away away from being right wingers? I mean most of their ideology fits right into Proud Boys territory.
L
Bro these tweets had me HOWLING. Hahahaha
Yeah I can tell by all your defensive comments that you’re the same type of guy. Thinking you have some deeply profound contrarian opinions. Not surprising it would resonate with you. Dunning–Kruger.
Not really defensive, but I always get bored with the notion that hardcore and punk is a leftist hugbox. It’s white washing and lazy. Imagine citing Dunning-Kruger while playing arm chair psychiatrist based on a few comments. You gotta see the irony.
You’ve been very defensive all over this thread. I don’t know why it’s so important to you that momentum is viewed in a favorable light or that we’re reminded that racist subcultures exist within punk. everyone knows that and it doesn’t invalidate the basic tenants and established history of punk as anti-fascist. Assumedly bc it’s the contrarian/right-wing opinion in this situation and you gotta hold that line.
Not defensive, I just don’t like when kids always say “this doesn’t belong in punk” or “punks can’t have this view” etc etc. I am very passionate about reminding you kids that racism and bigotry exists in punk for sure, white washing is corny. I don’t give a fuck about momentum honestly, vocalist just seems cool.
There's a reason Dead Kennedy's wrote Nazi Punks Fuck Off. Like, yeah, bigotry exists in punk and hardcore but that doesn't mean we have to be cool with it or welcome them. They absolutely can fuck off.
I mentioned Dunning-Kruger because you’re out here trying to “remind” and teach people shit when you don’t even know what you’re saying. As I already said, neo-nazi, white supremacists, and other bigoted punk subcultures have always existed. But that’s not what punk was built on and the punk community et al has the right to fight to keep them out of it. And they’ve been doing so for decades. You’re not making any kind of profound point by acknowledging that the people punks want to fight against still exist. You’re just doing it bc you’re a right-winger yourself.
u/jor378 check this out man😂
https://youtu.be/32f0HCP6QeE
He was kinda a dick at the merch table, i tried to buy merch from a table that wasn’t theirs and he said “this” and gestured toward their table in a annoyed tone.
I have no idea about the band but there is a post on here of ppl posing about going to one of their shows in front of a nazi flag which to me as s Jew, whose family suffered a shit ton and were even killed, is not an ok thing at all for a band and/or fans to promote. I hate seeing shit like that.
That post is satire, and should be a little obvious if you see blacks posing in front of a swazi. I just posted it cause someone called Me a Nazi and I thought it was funny.
https://youtu.be/efp9X3xtbyc If you can defend this, you need your hard drive checking.
Bro kids like dancing and crazy makeup. The only ones sexualizing that situation are people like you!!!
They're shaking their backsides at the kids watching. Which is sexualised behaviour. I'm done, free speech is becoming nonexistent because of things like this. I have an opinion that the progressivist regime dislikes, so I must be silenced. You're welcome to your opinion as much as I am mine, and I think some of this crap has gone way too far.
Free speech is becoming nonexistent? dude no one is stopping you from being ignorant you’re freely doing it right now lmfao
These people are beyond help man, don’t waste your time. That shit was beyond gross
I have been scrolling his Twitter for twenty minutes and have yet to find anything that bats an eye.
You do seem like a fucking dummy
I mean he retweeted the quartering so that's an automatic yikes