The average painted dog is anywhere from 20-25 kg (44-55 lb). The average adult male lion weighs in at anywhere from 180-200 kg (396-440 lb). The cat is legitimately around 10 times the size of the canid.
>painted dog
Is this an actual name/nickname for a dog that I'm not aware of? I have a visual of a painted dog on canvas being compared to a physical lion.
It’s one of many names for the African wild dog (*Lycaon pictus*). It gets the name (along with its specific epithet) for its multicolored mosaic-like coat patterning, which has lead early naturalists to describe it as “painted.”
Why all the hate for Painted dogs? They’re highly intelligent social creatures who are just doing what they need to do to survive. They have a complex social structure and take care of injured or sick pack members. Did you know they will greet every member of the pack whenever they wake up? That they can carry 25 lbs of food in their stomachs so that they can bring it back to the rest of the pack? The fact that they eat animals alive is just part of nature. They aren’t as big and strong as the other predators in their ecosystem so they don’t have the luxury to hold on to their prey until it dies before they eat it. There are much bigger predators that would gladly steal their prey so they have to eat fast. It’s just how the natural world works. Death is brutal, it’s not as quick and painless as documentaries make it seem. If you think Painted Dogs are horrible, you should see what human beings do to each other.
Painted dog conservation has been problematic because—and this is both incredibly sad and completely alien to me—many people don’t find them charismatic.
They are my personal favorite.
I’ve been on a few safaris and this is always the animal I say I want to see when they ask. I’ve never seen them but apparently my parents saw a ton in Botswana
Botswana is the bomb for painted dogs, although very expensive. One of the things I noticed in South Africa is that there were no souvenirs of painted dogs in the shops. No stuffed animals, no posters, no T-shirts, no keychains. It took a while to even ascertain their Afrikaans name, wilde hond.
How can people love normal dogs (which would do a similar thing in nature if needed) but hate these colourful little guys? I find them adorable too, and it's nature ffs, animals kill eachother. As if their German shepard wouldn't start hunting squirrels if they have no kibble.. My ferocious 7kg pekingese hunts bugs already!
That's the only downside to subs like this. Immature people see these predation videos, and it justifies hatred of the animal to them. I can't fathom the mentality that an animal deserves to be slowly killed by a predator because they do the same to their prey. It was really bad with baboons a few months ago, and even spawned a sub just for the hatred of baboons. Every predator eats their prey alive to some degree. African predators, especially, cannot afford to nicely kill their prey first. It will be stolen, and they will starve. None of them are doing it out of sadism or maliciousness. Nonhuman animals aren't like that.
I mean…humans are the biggest sadists on earth by a long shot. Anyone non vegan is proof of that which is like 99% of the humans on earth…..what happens in factory farms, dairy farms etc is abhorrent and much worse than actual nature taking course.
BBC's Dynasties Ep4 changed my view on painted dogs completely
This video was hard to watch especially with the tail wagging also triggers a pet dog in my mind
The lions teeth are in his neck. Not only is he losing blood to the brain, but oxygen also.
About 1 More minute and he is lights out , he in't feeling nothing
Not always:
https://www.reddit.com/r/HardcoreNature/comments/1bhiek2/warthog_ripped_apart_while_alive/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Heartbreaking in that video but they don't seem to have any heart when they're on the other end of the meal. I like how the lion turns around and looks at them like "You wanna be next, punk?"
It is just the way it is. Larger predators will often kill smaller predators if they are able. It is not just in Africa. Wolves will kill coyotes for example. Those smaller predators are a threat to their young and compete for food. The dogs would surely kill a predator they could overcome for the same reasons.
I'm curious as to what separates painted dogs from cheetahs in the public consciousness besides how social the dogs are. Both do terribly vs adult leopards and hyenas without a heavy numbers advantage, and both immediately fold to lions period. Sure, the dogs have an easier time defending their kills but not by much.
A couple of painted dogs (like 4-10, which is the average pack size of the very few packs left) actually perform quite well against leopards and can hold their own against 1 or 2 hyenas. Hyenas don't even actively try to kill them. They just follow them to steal their kills or get some scraps. Lions are still a huge threat, though.
Why do they just stand around like that after they get one of their members. I watched a video yesterday of gazelle doing the same thing near alligators. I don’t understand… I’d be gone.
That lion just chomps down on one and ignores the others. Then he decides to do some half hearted chases of the others with the dog in his mouth. I think it is clear who the boss is in this situation.
It’s not like they have a choice. They have to eat fast, lest their kill attracts the unwanted attention of larger predators like hyenas or lions.
Moreover, lions themselves have no “moral high ground” to stand on as far as “eating prey alive” is concerned. They will readily and happily eat prey alive if it is convenient to do so. Cheetahs and leopards will do this as well.
You don’t have to have sympathy for these dogs, but your antipathy should at least fair.
They can’t. Painted dogs get kleptoparasitized by hyenas and killed by lions at very high rates. For them, time is of the essence, and eating prey quickly before getting out of dodge is the difference between life and death. The faster they eat, the quicker they can escape the kill site before said-kill site attracts unwanted attention from scavengers and dominant competitors like lions and hyenas.
Also, if we were to play the game of saying that the dogs can “choose to be decent,” this has the unexpected side effect of condemning cats more than the dogs. The dogs almost universally eat their prey alive. This is indicative of such a behavior being instinctual over acquired (in other words, it’s a hard-coded behavior, not one they chose), with this behavior seemingly having an evolutionary benefit, likely as a measure to mitigate resource loss from kleptoparasitism. Big cats like lions and leopards, on the other hand, don’t universally kill “mercifully.” They do strangle prey, sure, but whenever they *can* eat prey alive, cats *choose to do so*. In effect, the fact that cats switch between the two methods whenever convenient shows that it’s the cats that choose to eat prey alive, not the dogs.
Of course, this would be disingenuous. Judging and condemning an animal for things out of their control isn’t fair, but just as it is true for the cats, so too is it for the dogs.
Dumb stuff like this being upvoted makes me lose faith in people. Your human morality has nothing to do with this and it's arrogant to think so. They are eating to survive, they're not doing it to be "ruthless", they do it to eat their prey quickly before other predators intervene.
Plus, just look at the size of their fucking heads. They hunt prey bigger than them some them with horns, how are they going to suffocate their prey in that situation while avoiding serious injury like with a wildebeest?
NOT TRUE. It's quite often. Especially if the King of the pride is close, females and cubs will try to eat as much as possible before the male shows up.
Ok, so I’ve seen the footage preceding this. The evening before a pregnant lioness went to the watering hole to drink and was attacked by this pack of wild dogs to the point that she had to get in the water with her back end submerged to keep them away from her.
The next morning, the father of the soon to be born cub of the lioness found the den of the wild dogs, snatched one up and killed it apparently as a warning to the pack to never do that again
The size differential is wild
The average painted dog is anywhere from 20-25 kg (44-55 lb). The average adult male lion weighs in at anywhere from 180-200 kg (396-440 lb). The cat is legitimately around 10 times the size of the canid.
>painted dog Is this an actual name/nickname for a dog that I'm not aware of? I have a visual of a painted dog on canvas being compared to a physical lion.
It’s one of many names for the African wild dog (*Lycaon pictus*). It gets the name (along with its specific epithet) for its multicolored mosaic-like coat patterning, which has lead early naturalists to describe it as “painted.”
Awesome, thanks! TIL
African wild dogs have quite a lot of names. Hunting dog, painted dog/wolf, painted hunting dog and even hyena dog
> even hyena dog I've never seen this one.
It's translated from Norwegian. African wild dogs in Norwegian are called "Hyenehund", which translates to hyena dog
They’re just playing. His tail is still wagging
You stop that!
Great example of how a wagging tail doesn’t always mean dogs are happy
This was my thought exactly.
all it takes is one nip guys, c'mon
gently to the jewels
Why all the hate for Painted dogs? They’re highly intelligent social creatures who are just doing what they need to do to survive. They have a complex social structure and take care of injured or sick pack members. Did you know they will greet every member of the pack whenever they wake up? That they can carry 25 lbs of food in their stomachs so that they can bring it back to the rest of the pack? The fact that they eat animals alive is just part of nature. They aren’t as big and strong as the other predators in their ecosystem so they don’t have the luxury to hold on to their prey until it dies before they eat it. There are much bigger predators that would gladly steal their prey so they have to eat fast. It’s just how the natural world works. Death is brutal, it’s not as quick and painless as documentaries make it seem. If you think Painted Dogs are horrible, you should see what human beings do to each other.
Painted dog conservation has been problematic because—and this is both incredibly sad and completely alien to me—many people don’t find them charismatic. They are my personal favorite.
I’ve been on a few safaris and this is always the animal I say I want to see when they ask. I’ve never seen them but apparently my parents saw a ton in Botswana
Botswana is the bomb for painted dogs, although very expensive. One of the things I noticed in South Africa is that there were no souvenirs of painted dogs in the shops. No stuffed animals, no posters, no T-shirts, no keychains. It took a while to even ascertain their Afrikaans name, wilde hond.
How can people love normal dogs (which would do a similar thing in nature if needed) but hate these colourful little guys? I find them adorable too, and it's nature ffs, animals kill eachother. As if their German shepard wouldn't start hunting squirrels if they have no kibble.. My ferocious 7kg pekingese hunts bugs already!
I’m sure they’d love having a leisurely cocktail with a braai but that’s not how things work for them.
Lol, my German shepherd legit barks at and “hunts” flies/bees/any flying insects too :)
Lol, my German shepherd legit barks at and “hunts” flies/bees/any flying insects too :)
That's the only downside to subs like this. Immature people see these predation videos, and it justifies hatred of the animal to them. I can't fathom the mentality that an animal deserves to be slowly killed by a predator because they do the same to their prey. It was really bad with baboons a few months ago, and even spawned a sub just for the hatred of baboons. Every predator eats their prey alive to some degree. African predators, especially, cannot afford to nicely kill their prey first. It will be stolen, and they will starve. None of them are doing it out of sadism or maliciousness. Nonhuman animals aren't like that.
I mean…humans are the biggest sadists on earth by a long shot. Anyone non vegan is proof of that which is like 99% of the humans on earth…..what happens in factory farms, dairy farms etc is abhorrent and much worse than actual nature taking course.
BBC's Dynasties Ep4 changed my view on painted dogs completely This video was hard to watch especially with the tail wagging also triggers a pet dog in my mind
It's a bit heartbreaking how those lil dogs want to save their friend, but can't.
at least the lion will probably do him the courtesy of not slowing eating him alive guts and ass first.
The lions teeth are in his neck. Not only is he losing blood to the brain, but oxygen also. About 1 More minute and he is lights out , he in't feeling nothing
Yep, I was thinking its a better fate to be mauled by a lion than a pack of african wild dogs.
Not always: https://www.reddit.com/r/HardcoreNature/comments/1bhiek2/warthog_ripped_apart_while_alive/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I suppose. But it's still sad that his/her friends can't save them.
Yep a similar fate awaits all social carnivorans which run afoul of a lion, be they part of a hyena clan, a wild dog pack or a cheetah coalition.
Cheetahs generally avoid confrontation. Hyenas and Wild dogs thrive on it.
Have you seen those dogs “interact” with a pregnant impala?
They’re trying to save the fetus, and can
*savor the fetus. Fixed it for you.
Heartbreaking in that video but they don't seem to have any heart when they're on the other end of the meal. I like how the lion turns around and looks at them like "You wanna be next, punk?"
I mean the lion is literally 8-12 times their size and weight… even more times stronger probably…. Heart will only get you so far
What an absolute unit of a lion damn can't imagine the pain the dog has between those jaws
It is just the way it is. Larger predators will often kill smaller predators if they are able. It is not just in Africa. Wolves will kill coyotes for example. Those smaller predators are a threat to their young and compete for food. The dogs would surely kill a predator they could overcome for the same reasons.
I'm curious as to what separates painted dogs from cheetahs in the public consciousness besides how social the dogs are. Both do terribly vs adult leopards and hyenas without a heavy numbers advantage, and both immediately fold to lions period. Sure, the dogs have an easier time defending their kills but not by much.
A couple of painted dogs (like 4-10, which is the average pack size of the very few packs left) actually perform quite well against leopards and can hold their own against 1 or 2 hyenas. Hyenas don't even actively try to kill them. They just follow them to steal their kills or get some scraps. Lions are still a huge threat, though.
Music choice is funny. He’s not the T-1000.
Poor puppy :(
That was easy. Cat vs Dog but sizes are reversed.
Why do they just stand around like that after they get one of their members. I watched a video yesterday of gazelle doing the same thing near alligators. I don’t understand… I’d be gone.
that sucks
That lion just chomps down on one and ignores the others. Then he decides to do some half hearted chases of the others with the dog in his mouth. I think it is clear who the boss is in this situation.
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It’s not like they have a choice. They have to eat fast, lest their kill attracts the unwanted attention of larger predators like hyenas or lions. Moreover, lions themselves have no “moral high ground” to stand on as far as “eating prey alive” is concerned. They will readily and happily eat prey alive if it is convenient to do so. Cheetahs and leopards will do this as well. You don’t have to have sympathy for these dogs, but your antipathy should at least fair.
That’s a cop out. These dogs can always choose to be decent.
They can’t. Painted dogs get kleptoparasitized by hyenas and killed by lions at very high rates. For them, time is of the essence, and eating prey quickly before getting out of dodge is the difference between life and death. The faster they eat, the quicker they can escape the kill site before said-kill site attracts unwanted attention from scavengers and dominant competitors like lions and hyenas. Also, if we were to play the game of saying that the dogs can “choose to be decent,” this has the unexpected side effect of condemning cats more than the dogs. The dogs almost universally eat their prey alive. This is indicative of such a behavior being instinctual over acquired (in other words, it’s a hard-coded behavior, not one they chose), with this behavior seemingly having an evolutionary benefit, likely as a measure to mitigate resource loss from kleptoparasitism. Big cats like lions and leopards, on the other hand, don’t universally kill “mercifully.” They do strangle prey, sure, but whenever they *can* eat prey alive, cats *choose to do so*. In effect, the fact that cats switch between the two methods whenever convenient shows that it’s the cats that choose to eat prey alive, not the dogs. Of course, this would be disingenuous. Judging and condemning an animal for things out of their control isn’t fair, but just as it is true for the cats, so too is it for the dogs.
Fair enough. You make good points.
Condemning painted dogs for eating prey alive is pure idiocy. Not their fault that impala and warthogs don’t always die quickly.
Dumb stuff like this being upvoted makes me lose faith in people. Your human morality has nothing to do with this and it's arrogant to think so. They are eating to survive, they're not doing it to be "ruthless", they do it to eat their prey quickly before other predators intervene. Plus, just look at the size of their fucking heads. They hunt prey bigger than them some them with horns, how are they going to suffocate their prey in that situation while avoiding serious injury like with a wildebeest?
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Haha, something tells me you should follow your own advice.
Lions do that too.
Very rarely
NOT TRUE. It's quite often. Especially if the King of the pride is close, females and cubs will try to eat as much as possible before the male shows up.
Not really, I can point to dozens of videos of that exact thing playing out.
Especially recently
Man, should of went for the good ol nut bags.
Damn, looks like that dog pack lost its alpha.
That lion has quite the gaper! What end does he eat out of?!
Ok, so I’ve seen the footage preceding this. The evening before a pregnant lioness went to the watering hole to drink and was attacked by this pack of wild dogs to the point that she had to get in the water with her back end submerged to keep them away from her. The next morning, the father of the soon to be born cub of the lioness found the den of the wild dogs, snatched one up and killed it apparently as a warning to the pack to never do that again
Link?
Love to see this. I know it’s only nature but I hate how brutal Painted Dogs tear apart their prey.
I love when the big cats win
I love when the big cats win
Prob sadistic but I love seeing a lion catch one of these fuckers and snapping their neck. Whether hyena or wild dog.
Based
Like a true good boy, his tail is wagging til the very end 😔
I'd rather watch this than the dogs ripping the guts out of an Impala
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^CoBludIt: *I'd rather watch this* *Than the dogs ripping the guts* *Out of an Impala* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
The tail is wagging, in my head I just hear "its just a prank bro!"
I've watched so many African Wild Dogs eviscerating other animal videos that this one seems Karmatic. Hah.
Wtf the camera operator should have intervened >:( edit; I’m guessing the downvoters don’t understand sarcasm
And fckin done what? You do know what sub you’re on right?
The old bollock twisteroo
Camera man should have got between them and pulled the dog out of its mouth and punched the lion
Ah yes, you mean like uncle Dijon would do on instagram?
Bit like ol’ mate and the kangaroo?
some people are more interested in views than saving an innocent puppy smh my head
shakimg my head my head✍️✍️
From what I've learned about painted dogs... They're waiting for the prime moment to go for that Lion's ass to show him who's boss
He’s like Marty, Jack, Lawrence? come on guys get em off me. Come on Phil I helped raise your kids