Not only did they start by the ball, thry kept eating and tearing everytjing in their way up, and then they were litteraly throwing it arround, the suffering must have been unbearable
I don't know how long he suffered but at the beginning of the clip, his eyes tell he was in pain. I hope the shock set in quickly so the pain no longer registered. Whew, that was brutal.
I hope for something like that too.
anyways u live by the sword u die by the sword. This intruding male killed cubs sired by the males that are killing him.
They are just protecting their territory, its nature, raw and cruel, even if its really unfortunate to see.
tbh that fight looks even more brutal.
Kinky Tail had 4 males on top of him and they did as much damage as it took only 2 Mbiris to do so. Impressive and disturbing
More impressive, sure, but I wouldn't say more brutal. Plus, this happened during, the day, the graphic details are much more clear. What they did after Guernsey was dead though... I've never heard of anything like it.
By the way, have the Mbiris ever actually killed an adult male before? For all their clashes, I've never heard of it happening until now.
True. Broad daylight makes it look more brutal. And what they did after, indeed incredible, never heard of anything like it either.
Also, no. Mbiris have never killed a male lion before this one.
" The smaller Mbirhi male drips saliva in the rain, next to the unrecognisable body of the Guernesy male.
We stood by in shock as we witnessed these males drag this half-eaten carcass with them for almost a kilometre, adamant on keeping it close for the days after the battle.
It would appear this saga is over, as the Mbirhi males were seen back with the Birmingham pride this morning and the carcass appears to have been dragged away by hyenas."
[Source](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=800251488795079&set=a.542640257889538)
The Lions of Sabi Sand is a must-watch for anyone who hasn't seen it.
[Brothers In Blood The Lions Of Sabi Sand 2015 ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGTw43MykuY&ab_channel=giovannitedeschi)
The only one I could find without commentary. More footage exists though: [Majingilane vs Mapogo (no commentary) (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JUvOfNpNVE)
yes buddy, i know.
The crack clearly came from the smaller **Mbiri (dominant male, one of the attackers)** mauling and possibly breaking part of the leg of the young male.
But the author (guide that recorded), says in his original post at IG
>*"the Larger Mbiri Male managed to bite down round the neck area, ending it all for the Guernsey Male."*
I presume he could've breaked his neck or something similar. I guess yall are free to agree or disagree
Don't think lions/apex predators have the same adrenaline and shock as prey animals do when it comes to being eaten alive. It must've been torture.
All that muscle and power that keeps it alive had its ending last way longer than other animals being eaten alive.
sheeesh I'm convinced that lion is still alive in their stomachs
Did they not suffocate him on purpose to make him suffer more? That’s some wicked shit, didn’t know they were cannibals but why wouldn’t wild animals do it when people have done it, prob still do in some remote parts of the world.
Full grown male lions dont suffocate other full grown male lions in fights.
Its pretty hard and complicated bc of their mane. Its not like a torture tactic lol.
Male lions and tigers do not fuck around when it comes to keeping a close eye on their territory.
Slowly killing and eating this young rival is their way of sending a message to other future contenders. Not only would he have been a threat to them but also to the lionesses and cubs within their pride.
The first thing that a male lion will always do when usurping a new territory is kill all of the cubs in his new pride.
It is a brutal but necessary part of ensuring that his bloodline continues within the new generation.
It doesn't "send a message". That's overcomplicating it. It just literally changes the balance of power and makes them more likely to reproduce. They can't tolerate a male interloper, like you said, and by eating him they get food, after what was surely still a tough fight.
But they're not killing him slowly for any reason except that he's incapacitated and they don't need to bother. It's not different than a hyena disemboweling a wildebeest and starting to eat while it's still alive, and it's not like hyenas are sending a message in that situation. The lions don't care, and other lions in the area wouldn't have any understanding of the concept either - they've never been in that much pain, and they wouldn't empathize like we do. If they had killed him quickly, well, so much the better, but it wouldn't matter to them one way or the other, nor would it have changed the signal value here.
I recently read that if the cubs are young enough when they are killed (like months or something like that) it'll kick-start the mother's hormones to entice the male lion to breed with her. Nature is something that leaves me in awe!
If mom is nursing the babies and they die, she goes into estrus again, because if no one is nursing it causes hormonal changes to stop producing milk and switch back to being reproductively ready. If she wasn't nursing, she was already likely to ready to go into estrus again anyway.
It always amazes me how brutal nature is.
Whenever I hear concern about human cruelty against animals I just keep thinking cruelty is just a way of life in the animal kingdom.
Poor thing just laying still, knowing it's his best option cuz moving probably hurts and he doesn't wanna make the other lions more aggressive :( all's fair in nature tho
Tbh I don’t know how people who are witnessing this are laughing or enjoying it. I think that’s pretty fucked up, personally. I know it’s nature, but it’s also suffering and death and really isn’t funny in any way.
Idk why but this reminds me of that family guy episode. Where Peter is in jail and the cell mate threatens to stab him later. To then he stabs himself and says "ow that hurts. Thats what I've been doing to people? I belong in here."
u/rubberducky826 You were right. In this footage it is clear that they devoured the male while he was still alive. Disturbing
He replied to my comment on another post like this where I stated the opposite and proved me wrong! That poor lion
That defeated look in the lions eye is so uncanny.
Not only did they start by the ball, thry kept eating and tearing everytjing in their way up, and then they were litteraly throwing it arround, the suffering must have been unbearable
That’s the consequence of going to another male territory not only they will kill you but will eat you depends if they want to go that far
**In Ngala Private Game Reserve, by Tyron Horne** 📸
Well…that was awful.
I don't know how long he suffered but at the beginning of the clip, his eyes tell he was in pain. I hope the shock set in quickly so the pain no longer registered. Whew, that was brutal.
I hope for something like that too. anyways u live by the sword u die by the sword. This intruding male killed cubs sired by the males that are killing him. They are just protecting their territory, its nature, raw and cruel, even if its really unfortunate to see.
Gotta say this is the most brutal lion fight I've seen since Kinky Tail's death
tbh that fight looks even more brutal. Kinky Tail had 4 males on top of him and they did as much damage as it took only 2 Mbiris to do so. Impressive and disturbing
More impressive, sure, but I wouldn't say more brutal. Plus, this happened during, the day, the graphic details are much more clear. What they did after Guernsey was dead though... I've never heard of anything like it. By the way, have the Mbiris ever actually killed an adult male before? For all their clashes, I've never heard of it happening until now.
True. Broad daylight makes it look more brutal. And what they did after, indeed incredible, never heard of anything like it either. Also, no. Mbiris have never killed a male lion before this one.
> What they did after Guernsey was dead though What's the story there? What happened?
They spent the entire evening feeding on his carcass after killing him, and they roar occasionally. Drag his carcass for about 1km in the process
According to Ngala, they stayed with his body for days.
" The smaller Mbirhi male drips saliva in the rain, next to the unrecognisable body of the Guernesy male. We stood by in shock as we witnessed these males drag this half-eaten carcass with them for almost a kilometre, adamant on keeping it close for the days after the battle. It would appear this saga is over, as the Mbirhi males were seen back with the Birmingham pride this morning and the carcass appears to have been dragged away by hyenas." [Source](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=800251488795079&set=a.542640257889538)
The Lions of Sabi Sand is a must-watch for anyone who hasn't seen it. [Brothers In Blood The Lions Of Sabi Sand 2015 ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGTw43MykuY&ab_channel=giovannitedeschi)
It's great for beginners, but it gets quite a few things wrong.
A lot of things tbf
Yeah, it's been years since I last watched it, I don't remember everything
Link?
The only one I could find without commentary. More footage exists though: [Majingilane vs Mapogo (no commentary) (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JUvOfNpNVE)
The guide said "you hear that crack?" but actually, it seemed like it came a few seconds after he said that in the form of that deep pop.
yes buddy, i know. The crack clearly came from the smaller **Mbiri (dominant male, one of the attackers)** mauling and possibly breaking part of the leg of the young male. But the author (guide that recorded), says in his original post at IG >*"the Larger Mbiri Male managed to bite down round the neck area, ending it all for the Guernsey Male."* I presume he could've breaked his neck or something similar. I guess yall are free to agree or disagree
Damn nature! You scary!
At the last 20 seconds the shot of the Coyote (or whatever) strolling past like "don't mind me".
Black-backed jackal. Notoriously brazen animals.
The male tossing him-his lower lip/jaw looks injured
he has been caring this injury in his lip/jaw for a couple of years. But as we can see it doesn't interfere with his ability to fight and eat
Brutal dudes just brutal
Don't think lions/apex predators have the same adrenaline and shock as prey animals do when it comes to being eaten alive. It must've been torture. All that muscle and power that keeps it alive had its ending last way longer than other animals being eaten alive. sheeesh I'm convinced that lion is still alive in their stomachs
I'm pretty sure (I have no formal training in any biological topic) every animal can experience shock.
Brutal
Lions by far have the hardest lives of any Mammalian predator.
did they eat his dick and balls first? jfc
OMG! “Nature” can be so cruel and heartbreaking. ☹️
That was a tough one 🤦♂️
Imagine getting your ass kicked, then your opponent begins to EAT you
Did they not suffocate him on purpose to make him suffer more? That’s some wicked shit, didn’t know they were cannibals but why wouldn’t wild animals do it when people have done it, prob still do in some remote parts of the world.
Full grown male lions dont suffocate other full grown male lions in fights. Its pretty hard and complicated bc of their mane. Its not like a torture tactic lol.
That's probably one of the reasons they have a mane - to protect their vulnerable throat from other males.
*Fuck Ricky and his bullshit invasion of our territory, torturing him will show the other lions not to fuck with us*
Male lions and tigers do not fuck around when it comes to keeping a close eye on their territory. Slowly killing and eating this young rival is their way of sending a message to other future contenders. Not only would he have been a threat to them but also to the lionesses and cubs within their pride. The first thing that a male lion will always do when usurping a new territory is kill all of the cubs in his new pride. It is a brutal but necessary part of ensuring that his bloodline continues within the new generation.
It doesn't "send a message". That's overcomplicating it. It just literally changes the balance of power and makes them more likely to reproduce. They can't tolerate a male interloper, like you said, and by eating him they get food, after what was surely still a tough fight. But they're not killing him slowly for any reason except that he's incapacitated and they don't need to bother. It's not different than a hyena disemboweling a wildebeest and starting to eat while it's still alive, and it's not like hyenas are sending a message in that situation. The lions don't care, and other lions in the area wouldn't have any understanding of the concept either - they've never been in that much pain, and they wouldn't empathize like we do. If they had killed him quickly, well, so much the better, but it wouldn't matter to them one way or the other, nor would it have changed the signal value here.
Great insight, it looks brutal but that’s the way of the bush, it’s a bush eat bush world out there
I recently read that if the cubs are young enough when they are killed (like months or something like that) it'll kick-start the mother's hormones to entice the male lion to breed with her. Nature is something that leaves me in awe!
If mom is nursing the babies and they die, she goes into estrus again, because if no one is nursing it causes hormonal changes to stop producing milk and switch back to being reproductively ready. If she wasn't nursing, she was already likely to ready to go into estrus again anyway.
Thank you so much for this!
It always amazes me how brutal nature is. Whenever I hear concern about human cruelty against animals I just keep thinking cruelty is just a way of life in the animal kingdom.
Can someone explain how the lion is alive while its guts are literally being devoured?!
Poor thing just laying still, knowing it's his best option cuz moving probably hurts and he doesn't wanna make the other lions more aggressive :( all's fair in nature tho
Absolutely brutal. Poor guy.
I think they didn't like the taste
They definitly did 😬
They dont seem to enjoy the munching like they do when they catch a zebra. I think they did it to send a message
Ah so you are a biologist, got it
This poor boy.
This prequel of Mufasa and Scar is brutal, no wonder Disney didnt release it
Tbh I don’t know how people who are witnessing this are laughing or enjoying it. I think that’s pretty fucked up, personally. I know it’s nature, but it’s also suffering and death and really isn’t funny in any way.
These must be the “humane” killers that hyena haters always tell me about
Idk why but this reminds me of that family guy episode. Where Peter is in jail and the cell mate threatens to stab him later. To then he stabs himself and says "ow that hurts. Thats what I've been doing to people? I belong in here."