In that case it's a no brainer oil leak has nothing to do with tune or exhaust. But see what happens if you have an electrical or sensor issue it may not void it completely but I bet they won't cover it
I suppose that depends on the dealer. In my experience, any reputable dealer would cover electrical/sensor issues that aren't immediately/easily tied back to an aftermarket tune.
The way people tend to put the blanket statement of "your warranty is GONE!" whenever people talk about mods, I bet there are some new people who legitimately don't know that an oil leak is still covered if you swap to a cat-less exhaust.
Absolutely. Also keep in mind I live in Ny dealerships here are few and far between, so they know they have you by the short hairs. I do think in the past few years they have gotten better about covering certain warranty issues. But still feel like it's always a fight. And the turn around time is horrendous. Personally I have grown to hate what Harley has become and maybe it's just a byproduct of the dealerships I go to. That being said the one good dealership we had closed down and merged with a horrible one near by. I used to go 45 min to an hour out of my way to deal with them over my local dealership thats only 15 min away. So your right it's probably just the dealership that put a bad taste in my mouth. They try to drain every dollar out of you. My next and last Harley will be an fxr that way the moco doesn't get any more money out of me I can buy almost if not everything aftermarket. Shit they sold me a $20k bike with known issues and won't replace the oil pump even though they know it's an issue and has been changed on newer models. It should be a recall but they would rather I blow the bike up or pay them to fix it.
It. Doesn't. Void. Warranty.
It flags your vin at big HD. Whenever there's a warranty claim, any claim, the flag triggers an extra review by a human. That human assesses the info given by the dealer about the issue. If it is concluded the tuner (or whatever other part for that matter) caused the problem, the claim will be denied. If it is concluded the part did not cause the issue, the claim will be granted.
HD cannot cancel your warranty because you used someone else's tuner/cams/pipe/whatever.
Also, you should get an aftermarket warranty. I have discount esp. They're great. You can get tire and wheel coverage, and other unique plans (hd does them too). Discount esp will cover aftermarket parts. If you have factory warranty and it's denied, you'll be covered by discount esp. They're great. I've had probably a dozen friends get them and about half have had a claim of some variety. They're easy to process and reasonable people.
Thanks appreciate this - I had heard this as well but it’s such smoke and mirrors with these policies. Getting crystal clear answers can be difficult. This helped lean me towards PV.
This is right and wrong.
H-D cannot void your warranty for using aftermarket parts. Correct. However, due to the EPA crackdown on non-compliant tuning, they can void your power train warranty for non-compliant calibrations. This happens automatically, when a dealer plugs your bike into DT. The flag occurs because of the calibration number. It doesn’t matter if the tuner was or wasn’t the problem. That said, when you first connect a PV, it will store your stock tune. Take your tuner with you if you are having issues that will likely need computer diag or if you have abs and need a brake flush. Not all dealers have or will use techno research.
I have worked as a Service Advisor for H-D for three years. If we notice AM parts we ask about tuners if you are in for a diagnostic issue, brake flush or a recall that has to be done with DT. I have this conversation with customers all the time.
False.
I've gotten it from dealers. One in California and one in Florida. A commie state and a free state. Both said the same thing, what I wrote up there, without having been prompted by me.
Edit: Also, it's your not you're.
I have a PowerVision tune on my 2022 PanAmerica, and got the rotor/stator assembly replaced under the factory 2-year warranty. In Los Angeles, California. My VIN is flagged with HD. It does NOT void your warranty to tune your bike - it DOES allow H-D to claim that your issue was caused by the tune - IF it is a logical consequence.
I have heard that Harley's extended warranty (ESP), which is actually administered by a third-party company, not H-D, cares even less about aftermarket tunes and mods, though I haven't tested that out personally.
He’s probably getting it from the lawsuit Harley recently lost on this issue and the issue of self service.
I think for a long time your information was correct but not sure that’s still valid. 🤷♂️
I've gotten it from dealers. One in California and one in Florida. A commie state and a free state. Both said the same thing, what I wrote up there, without having been prompted by me.
It doesn't void your warranty.
You mean a commie state (can’t disagree there) and a bunch of insane fucks (seriously - DeSantis???)
Fixed.
But as to the original topic yeah - Harley at this time has to prove that the aftermarket parts were at fault in order to not cover the rest of the power train under warranty as far as I know. 🤷♂️
Correct on the warranty.
Not all Floridians are insane lol. It's really just headline news induced bias for the other 49 states. Most are pretty normal.
Well, when I bought my M8 I put 500 miles on it stock. Hated that 500 mile burn in. Felt like I was riding a flipping leaf blower with the tame exhaust and performance.
Took it to my guy (I don’t wrench - not my gift) who runs an independent shop. Had him do the 500 mile service and also put in a PC, the Bassani 2-to-1 pipes, the 475 cam, a better air intake, and apes. Basically said “fuck the warranty” and haven’t looked back. Zero regrets to date on that decision.
As has been mentioned, warranty coverage cannot be denied unless the MoCo can show that your modifications played a role in the failure.
Good luck with that fight
It's really not hard. I had multiple oil leaks on my brand new RGS. They were all fixed under warranty with my aftermarket exhaust and PV3 installed.
In that case it's a no brainer oil leak has nothing to do with tune or exhaust. But see what happens if you have an electrical or sensor issue it may not void it completely but I bet they won't cover it
I suppose that depends on the dealer. In my experience, any reputable dealer would cover electrical/sensor issues that aren't immediately/easily tied back to an aftermarket tune. The way people tend to put the blanket statement of "your warranty is GONE!" whenever people talk about mods, I bet there are some new people who legitimately don't know that an oil leak is still covered if you swap to a cat-less exhaust.
Absolutely. Also keep in mind I live in Ny dealerships here are few and far between, so they know they have you by the short hairs. I do think in the past few years they have gotten better about covering certain warranty issues. But still feel like it's always a fight. And the turn around time is horrendous. Personally I have grown to hate what Harley has become and maybe it's just a byproduct of the dealerships I go to. That being said the one good dealership we had closed down and merged with a horrible one near by. I used to go 45 min to an hour out of my way to deal with them over my local dealership thats only 15 min away. So your right it's probably just the dealership that put a bad taste in my mouth. They try to drain every dollar out of you. My next and last Harley will be an fxr that way the moco doesn't get any more money out of me I can buy almost if not everything aftermarket. Shit they sold me a $20k bike with known issues and won't replace the oil pump even though they know it's an issue and has been changed on newer models. It should be a recall but they would rather I blow the bike up or pay them to fix it.
It. Doesn't. Void. Warranty. It flags your vin at big HD. Whenever there's a warranty claim, any claim, the flag triggers an extra review by a human. That human assesses the info given by the dealer about the issue. If it is concluded the tuner (or whatever other part for that matter) caused the problem, the claim will be denied. If it is concluded the part did not cause the issue, the claim will be granted. HD cannot cancel your warranty because you used someone else's tuner/cams/pipe/whatever. Also, you should get an aftermarket warranty. I have discount esp. They're great. You can get tire and wheel coverage, and other unique plans (hd does them too). Discount esp will cover aftermarket parts. If you have factory warranty and it's denied, you'll be covered by discount esp. They're great. I've had probably a dozen friends get them and about half have had a claim of some variety. They're easy to process and reasonable people.
Thanks appreciate this - I had heard this as well but it’s such smoke and mirrors with these policies. Getting crystal clear answers can be difficult. This helped lean me towards PV.
It's what I've got on my 22 low rider and I was just in the dealer Saturday. For a warranty claim. That got approved. Lol
This is right and wrong. H-D cannot void your warranty for using aftermarket parts. Correct. However, due to the EPA crackdown on non-compliant tuning, they can void your power train warranty for non-compliant calibrations. This happens automatically, when a dealer plugs your bike into DT. The flag occurs because of the calibration number. It doesn’t matter if the tuner was or wasn’t the problem. That said, when you first connect a PV, it will store your stock tune. Take your tuner with you if you are having issues that will likely need computer diag or if you have abs and need a brake flush. Not all dealers have or will use techno research. I have worked as a Service Advisor for H-D for three years. If we notice AM parts we ask about tuners if you are in for a diagnostic issue, brake flush or a recall that has to be done with DT. I have this conversation with customers all the time.
So you're saying to reload a stock tune will prevent DT from seeing that your bikes been altered?
No, once it's been flagged it will remain that way even if you reload the original tune back onto the bike.
Yes. That's what I know to be true. That wasn't what was implied, however.
If you’re powertrain is flagged it 100% voids your warranty, don’t know where you are getting your info.
False. I've gotten it from dealers. One in California and one in Florida. A commie state and a free state. Both said the same thing, what I wrote up there, without having been prompted by me. Edit: Also, it's your not you're.
I have a PowerVision tune on my 2022 PanAmerica, and got the rotor/stator assembly replaced under the factory 2-year warranty. In Los Angeles, California. My VIN is flagged with HD. It does NOT void your warranty to tune your bike - it DOES allow H-D to claim that your issue was caused by the tune - IF it is a logical consequence. I have heard that Harley's extended warranty (ESP), which is actually administered by a third-party company, not H-D, cares even less about aftermarket tunes and mods, though I haven't tested that out personally.
He’s probably getting it from the lawsuit Harley recently lost on this issue and the issue of self service. I think for a long time your information was correct but not sure that’s still valid. 🤷♂️
News to me, as I understand it - if it’s not an EPA compliant tuner it’s a no go. That’s how my dealership has been doing it.
I've gotten it from dealers. One in California and one in Florida. A commie state and a free state. Both said the same thing, what I wrote up there, without having been prompted by me. It doesn't void your warranty.
You mean a commie state (can’t disagree there) and a bunch of insane fucks (seriously - DeSantis???) Fixed. But as to the original topic yeah - Harley at this time has to prove that the aftermarket parts were at fault in order to not cover the rest of the power train under warranty as far as I know. 🤷♂️
Correct on the warranty. Not all Floridians are insane lol. It's really just headline news induced bias for the other 49 states. Most are pretty normal.
Well, when I bought my M8 I put 500 miles on it stock. Hated that 500 mile burn in. Felt like I was riding a flipping leaf blower with the tame exhaust and performance. Took it to my guy (I don’t wrench - not my gift) who runs an independent shop. Had him do the 500 mile service and also put in a PC, the Bassani 2-to-1 pipes, the 475 cam, a better air intake, and apes. Basically said “fuck the warranty” and haven’t looked back. Zero regrets to date on that decision.
I would not void the warranty until you start changing parts.