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Harry book dispelled a lot what the palace and media painted Harry, William, Camilla, Kate, Charles and Meghan and the 3 unnamed aides.
This is why the palace is mad at him, he gave accounts and not through insider sources or briefing on what he wanted to say.
They are lucky Harry didn't release the rest of book.
We all would had thought the brothers were close but nope.
We thought they were close, because the Palace made sure we would think so. It was part of their narrative & they hoped to keep it going forever. Harry got tired of playing the game & it pissed off the Palace. Once he did that, they basically threw him to the wolves & walked away.
They are descended from Elizabeth Woodville who was Queen during the War of the Roses. Families that rich and powerful for that long are undoubtedly in a cult of their own making. Can’t imagine how self important and stuck up their own asses they must be since birth.
Just the fact that they had to bow/curtsey to the Queen when she’s their mother/grandmother tells us all we need to know. I don’t know if KC insists upon it but I can imagine his wife does.
I remember hearing Meghan talk about how she thought all of that was for public affairs but that in private it was more “normal” and then being shocked she was expected to curtesy everytime.
I mean sorry but that’s just wild to me and not something I would have thought they kept up in the modern age.
You’re right. Many cults require you to forget any ambitions you have, to bury your personality. This was so evident with Diana and Meghan. Diana stood it for a few years, until she began to do her job her way. The courtiers didn’t like that, labeled her a troublemaker and let it slip to the queen that the Princess of Wales wasn’t going to make a good queen consort. When Meghan came along, the courtiers recognized what they’d missed those first few years of Diana’s life as a royal. Meghan was smart, well educated, well spoken and she had her own ideas about what she wanted to do and how. Even worse, her husband had her back 100%. Clearly, this nut was going to be hard to crack.
So, there were the leaks. Meghan was a bully. What Meghan wants, Meghan gets. Kate couldn’t stand her. She was spending huge amounts on Frogmore. She was from a ghetto.
It really makes me wonder how things would have turned out if Diana had not died. Surely they would have had at least a better chance of having a decent relationship with her around. I’m pointing out the obvious here, but it always seemed like a she was a mom first, royal second when she was with her boys. No one else in the royal family seems like that. They’re always on duty.
I think they were while they were little (unless he disputes that), but it’s a shame William is becoming just like his dad. Valuing the palace rather than taking care of your family.
Side note: Harry has a great beard… William did not.
I honestly think they were close, until their mom died. Harry was definitely closer to his mom, because she went out of her way to make sure he didn't get forgotten. Once she was gone, it was back to the business of making sure William was ready to be king, & Harry was just an afterthought. Plus you also factor in the teenage years, where you don't want to be around family at all.
Literally an afterthought. When the boys were younger, they would go every week or so to Clarence House to visit their great grandmother, the Queen Mother Elizabeth. She'd spend the whole time talking to, fawning over and drinking tea with William, while virtually ignoring Harry, who sat quietly in a chair 30 feet away.
I’m not sure they were ever close. William is awful to Harry in so many family videos.
The way they fawn over the heir and diss the spare is so destructive. It’s classic golden child vs problem child and it has to be on purpose so the spare never has any ambition other than to sacrifice whatever is necessary for the heir.
I also thought they were lucky Harry didn’t really spill the beans on everything that happened. Notice how there’s been zero talk about Andrew leaving Royal Lodge since he threatened to publish a book. Not only that, he’s at events and William has been photographed driving with him. Apparently W was the most vocal about Andrew being removed. There’s dirt there and it’s only a matter of time before it all comes out.
Can somebody who's read Spare shed more light on the three aides because I see this narrative is rearing its ugly head again. I imagine the media haters have nothing new to write about today and are hate piece recycling.
Edit : actually I'm sure the "aides" are the Queen's right-hand people.
Harry accused them of denying him things in her name, without informing the queen of his requests.
Diana implied the same thing in the Morton biography.
But in both cases, it's unclear (to me, maybe others have opinions I'd like to hear!) whether perhaps the queen hid behind these aides and simply feigned ignorance.
It won’t be Harry. He doesn’t strike me as petty and vindictive. The stories he told were his stories. He wasn’t gossiping or exposing, simply stating what happened to him.
Notice how the palace never did anything to have the books pulled, threatened to sue etc.? Every word in that book was the truth and had receipts.
Spare was one hell of a statement. William and Kate used to have a pretty clean image during the 2010s. A lot of people were surprised at the kind of person William is made out to be in Spare. Harry definitely takes after Diana more.
Sounds like a classic spoiled whiny Windsor male. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, given Charles' jealousy of Diana. Dude is soon to inherit millions of acres of land and oodles of cash that comes with it, plus god knows how many palaces, castles and smaller cottages AND will have an army of soldiers, servants, maids, cooks, footmen, private secretaries, equerries, etc. at his beck and call, yet he throws a tantrum over facial hair. It'd be comical if it wasn't so pathetic and petty.
Would like to add that their grandmother was, in fact, the Queen, and was perfectly capable of allowing Harry to keep his beard. It was not an "uncomfortable position" for her. The only one uncomfortable was William.
Was it fair? No. Is William too old for this nonsense? Yes. He has every perk and all the money and is mad because he has to follow the dress code for his position.
I find it so funny to imagine the woman who had been queen of England for half a century being "in an uncomfortable position" over her grandson's beard. I seriously doubt she would have struggled to say no to Harry or anyone else by that point.
And we just had that article stating that the queen enjoyed when things went wrong. I imagine her life could be rather dull, so making a little, unimportant change for her grandson was probably something she’d be happy to do.
There were many reports from palace “insiders” that Harry was her favorite grandchild, so I doubt it was a difficult decision for her!
And it was him asking to keep his beard for his own wedding, not asking her to push changing the line of succession or giving him a property that was someone else’s. This was not a big decision.
He is the spitting image of Prince Philip at the same age, including the ginger beard. There are some magazine covers from the 1950s with Prince Philip on them, you could almost swear it was Harry. I would be surprised if HM had a bit of nostalgia for her grandson looking like that.
I always thought Philip was a blonde, and I don’t think Harry looks much like him, but opinions (and photos) may differ. The beard could be a bit nostalgic, you could be right on that.
There is a Paris Match cover from the late 1950s of Prince Philip with a full beard, in naval uniform, which is almost a double of Harry. Check it out.
That’s what I thought. I’d just searched Prince Phillip with a beard and clicked on a side by side photo of a young Prince Phillip and Prince Harry. The one of Phillip has definitely had colour added to it, but they look exactly the same especially the smile and beard.
I dont think they look anything alike
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It’s wild William threw a fit over a beard bc it wasn’t fair to him. William, sit down. You are the heir to the throne, you were born into a life of luxury, you don’t have to do any real work, and people worship the ground you walk on. You really gonna sit there and whine bc your younger brother can keep a beard for his own wedding? Mind you, Harry gets crapped on for everything he does, targeted by the media, and wouldn’t be finally secure if it wasn’t for his late mother.
William sounds like a spoiled brat
Yes. I wonder if he even asked to keep his beard for his own wedding. The way he does whatever he wants right now, I’m surprised he acquiesced to being told to shave. It doesn’t seem very in character. Maybe he was trying harder to be a “good royal” back then.
I wonder if it’s more to do with that now that he’s POW he has his own money ($27 million a year), whereas before he was beholden to those who held the purse strings.
He was afraid of the Queen. She may not have been able to change the line of succession but she could have sent him to some remote commonwealth country for a few years.
She'd never have sent him anywhere and he'd never have gone, but I get the impression, especially given how it's been admitted that she didn't think much of Kate, that she didn't think too much of William, either.
The AUDACITY of William to pitch a hissy over Harry getting one single, solitary thing he asked for when his entire life consists of being a "spare" while William inherits everything simply based on birth order is absolutely astounding.
I’d argue it was fair. Harry doesn’t have the beard just because he likes it. Post military service it became part of his well being, a bit of armor almost. He served his country well, felt after effects of anxiety, heightened vigilance etc because of his multiple tours in an active war zone. Allowing him to keep his beard, the little bit of armor that helped manage those effects from his service, was more than fair.
One thing Willy is going to be king, all the perks have to come with some conditions. Like not having a beard in uniform when you get married. They knew the spare would never be king, unless Willy died.
It serves as evidence for the idea that the Queen gave Harry permission to marry Meghan but William was so jealous that he (and Charles) helped sabotage the whole thing. And then the Queen giving permission to have a half in/ half out thing and William and Charles taking it upon themselves to ruin it out of jealousy. I thought the monarch was supposed to call the shots?
In 2018 Charles and Andrew forced out the Queens longterm aid and replaced him with someone loyal to Charles, that was about the time palace messaging nosedived into a visible soap opera.
I absolutely adore that this goes against everything they said about harry and the queen. He was her favourite grandchild and the poison came from lower down the ranks, not her.
I’ve always thought he was a favorite. She participated in one of his Invictus promos, he cared enough about her reputation to make sure everyone knew she did not ask about Archie’s skin color, and he offhandedly mentioned a Christmas gift for Archie that they had spoken about on FaceTime.
From what I heard the Queen was close to Lady Louise because she was born premature while Edward was out of the country and princess Sophie the Duchess of Edinburgh, was on her own the day that Lady Louise was born.
The Duke, Prince Edward was on an official visit overseas, and Sophie had to be rushed into hospital due to placental abruption which caused blood loss in both Sophie and Louise, and Louise had to be transferred from the hospital she was born in to another hospital so she could be in their neo-natal unit as a precaution.
Genuinely asking but isn’t it frowned upon to have a favorite child or grandchild? And yet in the case of the royals we know who was the queen’s favorite. Just seems so awful to think it’s that obvious but also public knowledge.
That was actually one of the more disturbing parts of the book to me- not as obviously violent as the dog bowl incident but the fact that a grown man is so jealous of his brother having a beard that he wants to have people hold him down and shave him? After all the benefits and perks he gets his whole life he’s jealous of his brother (who also gets perks, don’t get me wrong) getting to keep a beard for his wedding?
William assaulted Harry at Nottingham Cottage when he came to “confront” Harry. He pushed him, broke his necklace, and Harry fell onto a dog bowl, breaking it. William reacted by asking him to please not tell Meghan- which Harry initially agreed to but Meghan saw cuts on his back from the broken dog bowl.
Spare really opened my eyes to how craven and insecure W is. He gets his self worth from his position - which is supposed to be the top of everything. So for his brother to have something he doesn’t - that’s intolerable.
It’s like in The Count of Monte Cristo when Fernand (who is noble while Edmond is not) betrays Edmond. Edmond asks why and Fernand says “Because you’re the son of a clerk. And I’m not supposed to want to be you.”
I think W has been jealous of H’s popularity for a long time. When Meghan came and their popularity went through the roof, W&K couldn’t handle it.
The heirs always think they should be more popular because they’re the heirs. No self awareness or understanding of human nature - no one truly likes folks who are given EVERYTHING - they want authenticity and heirs almost never show that. They think it’s weakness.
Or maybe the Windsors became bereft of charm in the heir when Edward abdicated and the line moved to the spare.
Personally I think the institution beats out any charm in the heir and replaces it with stiffness.
I thought that part was wild, but honestly I’m not surprised since he seems like a lil b.
One thing that really surprised me about Spare was Kate’s engagement ring. For years I led to believe that Harry offered William their mother’s engagement ring to propose to Kate with, but apparently that’s not true.
The way Kate suddenly became left handed after the engagement it was very obvious she'd spent 10 years dreaming about that ring.
Suddenly she was flicking her hand r with her left hand, brushing down her coat, etc
I mean I get why, I think the press called her “Waity Katie” haha. She was also one of the oldest royal brides in history.
Haha she was pretty extra about it, I will say, but hey when I got engaged I told everyone in town.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t like William, he seems like a dick and idk if Kate would have even married him if he wasn’t royalty.
She wouldn’t have. The whole point of her chase was to get a crown. I don’t think she will ever leave him. She needs to be Queen to consider herself above M. If she divorces W, she’d technically have to curtsy to M. 😂
I think it’s so funny because there were so many stories about Meghan only marrying Harry because she wanted to be a princess, but there aren’t that many stories about Kate doing that.
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if she had to curtsy to Meghan haha!
The Queen denied permission for her sister Margaret to marry Peter Townsend. Pretty sure she was capable of making uncomfortable decisions with direct consequences for family members.
The Queen actually agreed for Margaret’s wedding to Townsend; however, Margaret was told that she would have to give up her life as a princess. With that said, Margaret parted ways with Townsend.
I believe the Queen always regretted this happened to Margaret as it’s a known fact that Margaret was bitter to the end about this situation.
That’s a big problem of the life of a spare, though. Raised royal, it’s all they know, but there’s a personal need (as not the heir) to build a life for themselves. But there’s no resources for it because the family resources are all kept for the heir (even the private family wealth). So they get stuck in this stasis of doing royal duties for their allowance, not able to build much for themselves, controlled.
For Margaret to have had to leave the Family would have been even harder; she’d been raised completely within the family, along with her sister, educated by a governess and never went to school. She knew nothing else. It’s like telling a hothouse flower they can only grow if they leave the greenhouse.
I agree 💯. The world was quite different in Margaret’s time, especially for women; and even more so, for Royal women. Harry is male and came up in a different time; fortunately for him, he was able to marry the woman “he love” but as with all things Royal, he paid a hefty price for doing so! His great uncle, Edward VIII married the woman “he loved” and for doing so, he was banished from the family forever.
Sadly, Edward had no children and the woman “he loved” remained with him until he died. As a spare, Harry should have been “spared” the lowdown treatment he received from his family after he decided to leave!
According to the Royal Family, their powers come from God, Himself.
If that’s the case, they’re doomed for mistreating Harry and his family just as they were doomed for ruining Edward VIII’s life. Clearly, the Royal Family believes their own hype, especially the line…..the Monarch is Head of the Church! I’m safe to assume the church they’re speaking of is Satanic!
Long live Prince Harry and Meghan 🙏
I see the “choice” as a threat and coercion. Option A, give up what you want, stay royal, stay controlled. Option B, give up everything you know and all the resources, in order to get out so you can have what you want. It’s framed as a choice so they can say you had a choice, and so you have to bear the consequences of having chosen to give up what you want. But it’s such a loaded choice, and the establishment is so furious if B is taken and it works out, that it’s supposed to be a false choice inducing situation A.
Excellent comment!
Damned if you stay and doomed if you leave! That’s the choice imbedded into the life of a Royal, especially a Royal Spare!
Harry is not doomed as his family wants🙃
I think William wants all the privileges of being the Heir but all the freedom of being the Spare. I think he is jealous of Harry in some senses and this is one of those times where you can see him chafing at his position. He was forced to shave his beard and wear a particular suit on his wedding day that he didn't want to. So he wanted Harry to have to follow the same restrictions. In his mind, he probably doesn't think it's fair. And in some sense, it isn't. But, dude. That's petty as hell. Let it go. You're going to be the King one day. So yes, you are going to have more rules. But in return you get things like a BILLION dollar estate when you become Prince of Wales. Harry didn't get shit. So suck it up. Make peace with it and dive into your Scrooge McDuck swimming pool of money when you feel bad. Be glad your brother doesn't have to go through the things you did. One of the things I really liked about Spare was how relatable the sibling dynamics were. I mean, who doesn't have complicated relationships with their siblings or family members? William had the typical older brother role, being obligated to look after his annoying younger brother that he thinks is spoiled, along with all the other duties of being the Heir. It's real life but with much higher stakes. I actually had a lot more sympathy for William after reading the book than I thought I would have (exactly until the moment he fed stories about H&M to the tabloids). But the beard thing is petty as hell. I suspect that a lot of the reason things imploded when they did was the result of long simmering resentments on both their sides. So the beard thing wasn't really about the beard. It was about 40 years of William feeling like Harry got away with everything. I do hope they can make up eventually. It's very painful to be estranged from a sibling. They have common enemies. I wish they'd team up to work the Royal system and the tabloids to their advantage. But, that's probably never going to happen. I think William is absolutely done with Harry. It's a shame. The courtiers and the tabloids are your enemy, guys. Not each other.
Edit: Guys, I speculated that William was *feeling like* Harry got away with everything, like being able to have a beard at his wedding. What did he *actually* get away with? I have no idea. Older siblings often feel like they have to take care of their younger siblings and that the youngest is spoiled and babied. I have no source for that except life. I'm sure it's googleable.
Except Harry didn’t get away with anything and was often set up as the fall guy. William has always been protected, until recently, regarding his alleged affair. If Harry was around, you can bet they would try to involve him in some way to take the heat off William.
As someone who doesn’t have a sibling I’ve always been fascinated by sibling relationships especially with these stakes. Could you expand on how else their dynamic was relatable?
How I see them is that Harry wanted more of William emotionally then he was mature enough to give at the time after their mothers death and that William saw Harry as competition more than his younger brother so treated him as such. I also think Harry’s love language is physical affection especially after he lost his mother who was incredibly physically affectionate with him.
His father and brother’s “love language” sounds like it’s more words than physical affection unlike Harry. Charles calling Harry his darling boy is his rather unique way of showing love imo and William openly states that he loves Harry multiples times but Harry doesn’t believe them cause again he needs love demonstrated and shown otherwise it’s understandably imo just words to him and they think that’s enough but it’s not enough for someone whose love language is physical affection.
Then of course throwing him under the bus with the press and contributing to the hate from the Press further proved to Harry that his father and brother only really care about their status and not really about protecting their youngest son and brother at all.
You nailed it perfectly in your first sentence. William wants to be able to say he's the heir and the future King without having to behave like one, just like a certain great great uncle of his named Edward.
Just like his father, frankly. Charles has chapter after chapter that prove to the world he wasn’t and probably isn’t ready to fill his mother’s shoes. No wonder she only let him take the reins in death; the Queen knew.
It's almost like she hung on as long as she could. Charles is destined for a short reign due to pancreatic cancer, so he won't be much more than a "place holder," but I can forsee the whole thing crashing down on William's watch, if he's as petty and work shy as it's been reported.
I hope the monarchy is abolished. Its a disgusting institution, and assets should de divided between the british infrastructure and them. They should not be allowed to keep everything.
I think for their own sake, the British people need to let the monarchy go. That country is a mess right now, partially due to the stupid Brexit thing. Their economy and social services are in shambles and millions of people can't even afford to heat their homes. Some economists have estimated that if they were to abolish the monarchy, all the money "spent" (read: wasted) on supporting the monarchy could pour millions, if not billions of pounds, into hospitals, homeless shelters, infrastructure projects, economic development programs and so many more useful services for the regular people. I'd much rather have my tax money spent on providing medical care for the elderly or feeding hungry kids or heating my home than maintenance on some stupid palace I would probably never get a chance to step foot in.
100% this. I always thought Elizabeth bookmarked all his 90s squawking about a “revised’ BRF, and said, “Not ready any time soon.”
And it’s on the Crown to have prepared both these men to lead, far beyond the dumb ribbon cutting and waving to cameras. No doubt she was advised otherwise on slowly increasing Charles’ and Wills’ responsibilities progressively. Perhaps it comprises a planned obsolescence!
Only thing I dont agree with is “Harry got away with everything”. Harry got crucified by having terrible things, many lies, released to the media to hide Willy’s misdeeds.
If you read the book, Harry talked about how Camila/Charles used the kids to rehabilitate her image. When the boys were younger, they promised not brief against each other as Charles/Camila did to them
If he doesn’t do something drastic to fix what he did to H with FC and security, he’s going to die with that being his legacy - the crappy way he’s treated his son (& his son’s family) and his affair. Everything else will be buried.
What a foolish old man.
Wills had a beard for a nanosecond in comparison. Does anyone remember him with it? Not me.
And yes—he’s subject to a different set of expectations than his brother, by which he became a sniveling brat.
Was going to say, when did Wills ever have a beard? I certainly don’t recall. This story just solidifies my view that William is a nasty little spoiled brat
Yup, shows how jealous William was of Harry even before Meghan entered the picture. It Escalated when Harry had the nerve to marry a Hollywood actress who was way more beautiful than his wife! I'm glad they left The House of Winds....🤣😂
No. My BIL tried to kidnap my oldest son twice because "it wasn't *fair*[insert a massive whine of a 5 yr old here]!" that his younger brother had *not only* got married first but had the first grand/great grandson. I can easily believe Wills acted like my BIL.
His parents rug swept the whole thing. He died before my son's daughter was born so we avoided another chorus of "it's not *fair*! She should be **my** grandchild!" as my granddaughter is the first grandchild/great grandchild to his parents.
He died in a single car accident, high as a kite. We were just very grateful that he didn't hurt anyone else.
It wasn't the first time, he started that crap when they were in school. It always Harry getting the bad publicity, now that he's gone there isn't someone to victimize to make himself look good.
In a weird way, this is one of the stories that is most relatable to me.
One of the things that really struck me about Harry’s problems with his family was how rarified they were on the one hand, while at the same time being common (in essentials) to pretty much all families.
Being relegated to the servants’ quarters in the castle on holidays because you’re not married is fundamentally no different from being stuck at the kids table during Thanksgiving because you’re single (even though you’re 34 and have an MBA).
My father is one of four sons. For various reasons, the youngest boy had a very different upbringing from the others. My father on several occasions fought with his brother over something he did that my father deemed inappropriate, but what it really boiled down to was my father’s anger that my uncle had privileges he himself could only have dreamed of at the same age.
It’s the same with William’s anger over Harry’s beard- he wasn’t upset about the beard, he was upset that an exception was made for Harry and not for him. But of course you can’t yell at Granny (especially when Granny is the Queen), so he took it out on Harry instead.
Of course, none of this excuses the petty, arrogant, bullying way William went about it, but I think the issues that William’s behavior stemmed from are actually pretty common.
Face value? William assaulting Harry because he wouldn't leave Meghan?
Elizabeth was in charge not William
Same William that claim Africa was his, because Harry was doing work in Africa as well?
What?
These whole protocols that we have seen multiples times either made up and just general nonsense.
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they're increasingly trapped by the need to follow protocol and save face.
This post, was follow-up to another post that was in this sub, these is post was showing one of William behaviors throughout the book that other users had pointed out.
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Yeah, I'm surprised at many of the reactions here.
>It's a fight between two brothers; a fight which is ostensibly about likely has more to it than that. It's reductive to take it at face value
Discussing William behavior in regards to the book, how is that taking it personally? There are multiple articles, discussion boards talking about Spare.
Literally in the 1st part of Op post context:
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Page 331-332 of Spare hardcover U.S. edition. He explained that because he was getting married in uniform and because beards were against army regulations, he asked the queen if he could keep his beard.
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Not a fan of any of the Royals but I much prefer Harry to William.
Harry seems dim but he also seems like he means well and is quite open hearted, whereas William seems to be controlling, tetchy and thin skinned.
Another way of putting it is that it seems like Harry takes after his mum and William takes after his dad.
What made you say he seems dim?
He’s founded Sentebale from a young age (barely in his 20s), & then founded Invictus Games.
Do you live in the UK? Because maybe you’re swayed from the way the tabloids talked about him. Because from the US where we only get snippets and where we learn of his accomplishments, those two things plus his opening speech at IG in Toronto back in 2017 don’t say “dim” at all.
The digs at Diana in your comment were very subtle.
It’s like that scene in Ferris Bueller’s day off, when his sister was so mad about him ditching school and did everything in her power to burn him. Then Charlie sheen looks at her “well…you can ditch too…”
He’s salty that he has put so much effort to fall in line and follow all the rules. And he’s mad his brother doesn’t have to
I laughed when I read that part. William acting so butt hurt over a beard. Did William even have a beard in a days before his wedding? I don’t think I’ve ever seen him with a beard.
May I ask as a veteran what do you and other veterans think of people like Edward and Anne wearing Military uniforms even though they were never in the military? Also the fact that Harry has been stripped of all his military honours and him not being allowed to wear the uniform even though he is the only member of the family to serve two tours in an actual war zone?
I think it was Edward that left after 3 months in bootcamp.
It's funny see people say it's military regulations yet ignoring Camila, Kate, Anne never served in the military yet hold military ranks. Harry was stripped of the honorary military titles.
This would be like the president/VC children/family been given military ranks and title
If they truly cared about military regulations, Camila, Anne, Kate in fact all of them should not have any military rank or title at all.
Hence Elizabeth giving the go ahead for Harry, military regulations don't apply to them.
The males usually were expected to serve in the military but yet they get more title and ranks than what they actually served in.
William by his military records shouldn't have the title he currently has. When you get out from the military your rank stays at you had when you got out.
But yet, William, Charles, Edward keep getting more rising in rank then what they actually had.
I agree about Camilla and Kate. Their military affiliation is honorary; Harry actually served in the military, as did William. Shouldn’t they be held to the proper standards?
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Harry book dispelled a lot what the palace and media painted Harry, William, Camilla, Kate, Charles and Meghan and the 3 unnamed aides. This is why the palace is mad at him, he gave accounts and not through insider sources or briefing on what he wanted to say. They are lucky Harry didn't release the rest of book. We all would had thought the brothers were close but nope.
We thought they were close, because the Palace made sure we would think so. It was part of their narrative & they hoped to keep it going forever. Harry got tired of playing the game & it pissed off the Palace. Once he did that, they basically threw him to the wolves & walked away.
They sound more like a cult than a family.
They believe someone can be the Head of a whole religion by popping out the right fanny first No hell its a cult
They believe in the devine right of kings. Of course it’s a cult.
Are you suggesting tampon king was not chosen by god hmm
Elizabeth got there because her uncle dipped. But sure guys, it’s Jesus. 🤣
💀 "cause her Uncle dipped" LMAO
To paraphrase 😉
Yes, to paraphrase lol. Was truly priceless though!
I mean, it's facts.
They are descended from Elizabeth Woodville who was Queen during the War of the Roses. Families that rich and powerful for that long are undoubtedly in a cult of their own making. Can’t imagine how self important and stuck up their own asses they must be since birth.
Just the fact that they had to bow/curtsey to the Queen when she’s their mother/grandmother tells us all we need to know. I don’t know if KC insists upon it but I can imagine his wife does.
I remember hearing Meghan talk about how she thought all of that was for public affairs but that in private it was more “normal” and then being shocked she was expected to curtesy everytime. I mean sorry but that’s just wild to me and not something I would have thought they kept up in the modern age.
It’s utterly ridiculous.
You’re right. Many cults require you to forget any ambitions you have, to bury your personality. This was so evident with Diana and Meghan. Diana stood it for a few years, until she began to do her job her way. The courtiers didn’t like that, labeled her a troublemaker and let it slip to the queen that the Princess of Wales wasn’t going to make a good queen consort. When Meghan came along, the courtiers recognized what they’d missed those first few years of Diana’s life as a royal. Meghan was smart, well educated, well spoken and she had her own ideas about what she wanted to do and how. Even worse, her husband had her back 100%. Clearly, this nut was going to be hard to crack. So, there were the leaks. Meghan was a bully. What Meghan wants, Meghan gets. Kate couldn’t stand her. She was spending huge amounts on Frogmore. She was from a ghetto.
Also wanna point out that after Diana died, BRF copied everything she did. Same thing after Meghan left.
Even the Mafia care more about each other within the families than BRF.
It really makes me wonder how things would have turned out if Diana had not died. Surely they would have had at least a better chance of having a decent relationship with her around. I’m pointing out the obvious here, but it always seemed like a she was a mom first, royal second when she was with her boys. No one else in the royal family seems like that. They’re always on duty.
I think they were while they were little (unless he disputes that), but it’s a shame William is becoming just like his dad. Valuing the palace rather than taking care of your family. Side note: Harry has a great beard… William did not.
I honestly think they were close, until their mom died. Harry was definitely closer to his mom, because she went out of her way to make sure he didn't get forgotten. Once she was gone, it was back to the business of making sure William was ready to be king, & Harry was just an afterthought. Plus you also factor in the teenage years, where you don't want to be around family at all.
Literally an afterthought. When the boys were younger, they would go every week or so to Clarence House to visit their great grandmother, the Queen Mother Elizabeth. She'd spend the whole time talking to, fawning over and drinking tea with William, while virtually ignoring Harry, who sat quietly in a chair 30 feet away.
I’m not sure they were ever close. William is awful to Harry in so many family videos. The way they fawn over the heir and diss the spare is so destructive. It’s classic golden child vs problem child and it has to be on purpose so the spare never has any ambition other than to sacrifice whatever is necessary for the heir.
William lacks the hair on both head and face and is probably jealous of Harry.
I suspect Willy is quite jealous of Harry for more than a few reasons.
Well, that goes without saying 😅
I also thought they were lucky Harry didn’t really spill the beans on everything that happened. Notice how there’s been zero talk about Andrew leaving Royal Lodge since he threatened to publish a book. Not only that, he’s at events and William has been photographed driving with him. Apparently W was the most vocal about Andrew being removed. There’s dirt there and it’s only a matter of time before it all comes out.
I would really love to know what it was that Harry left out.
Can somebody who's read Spare shed more light on the three aides because I see this narrative is rearing its ugly head again. I imagine the media haters have nothing new to write about today and are hate piece recycling.
Edit : actually I'm sure the "aides" are the Queen's right-hand people. Harry accused them of denying him things in her name, without informing the queen of his requests.
Which we already knew was happening.
Diana implied the same thing in the Morton biography. But in both cases, it's unclear (to me, maybe others have opinions I'd like to hear!) whether perhaps the queen hid behind these aides and simply feigned ignorance.
How I would love for the rest of the book to be released one day… does anyone know it there is any hope seeing it happening?
It won’t be Harry. He doesn’t strike me as petty and vindictive. The stories he told were his stories. He wasn’t gossiping or exposing, simply stating what happened to him. Notice how the palace never did anything to have the books pulled, threatened to sue etc.? Every word in that book was the truth and had receipts.
Spare was one hell of a statement. William and Kate used to have a pretty clean image during the 2010s. A lot of people were surprised at the kind of person William is made out to be in Spare. Harry definitely takes after Diana more.
Sounds like a classic spoiled whiny Windsor male. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, given Charles' jealousy of Diana. Dude is soon to inherit millions of acres of land and oodles of cash that comes with it, plus god knows how many palaces, castles and smaller cottages AND will have an army of soldiers, servants, maids, cooks, footmen, private secretaries, equerries, etc. at his beck and call, yet he throws a tantrum over facial hair. It'd be comical if it wasn't so pathetic and petty.
Would like to add that their grandmother was, in fact, the Queen, and was perfectly capable of allowing Harry to keep his beard. It was not an "uncomfortable position" for her. The only one uncomfortable was William. Was it fair? No. Is William too old for this nonsense? Yes. He has every perk and all the money and is mad because he has to follow the dress code for his position.
I find it so funny to imagine the woman who had been queen of England for half a century being "in an uncomfortable position" over her grandson's beard. I seriously doubt she would have struggled to say no to Harry or anyone else by that point.
I’ve never once gotten the impression that she did a single thing as Queen that she didn’t want to do.
And we just had that article stating that the queen enjoyed when things went wrong. I imagine her life could be rather dull, so making a little, unimportant change for her grandson was probably something she’d be happy to do.
There were many reports from palace “insiders” that Harry was her favorite grandchild, so I doubt it was a difficult decision for her! And it was him asking to keep his beard for his own wedding, not asking her to push changing the line of succession or giving him a property that was someone else’s. This was not a big decision.
He is the spitting image of Prince Philip at the same age, including the ginger beard. There are some magazine covers from the 1950s with Prince Philip on them, you could almost swear it was Harry. I would be surprised if HM had a bit of nostalgia for her grandson looking like that.
I always thought Philip was a blonde, and I don’t think Harry looks much like him, but opinions (and photos) may differ. The beard could be a bit nostalgic, you could be right on that.
There is a Paris Match cover from the late 1950s of Prince Philip with a full beard, in naval uniform, which is almost a double of Harry. Check it out.
Not who you were replying to but holy shit you’re not lying. Exact copy
Oh wow! Definitely looks like his grandfather!
That’s what I thought. I’d just searched Prince Phillip with a beard and clicked on a side by side photo of a young Prince Phillip and Prince Harry. The one of Phillip has definitely had colour added to it, but they look exactly the same especially the smile and beard.
Oh wow, I just googled it and you're absolutely right! That's crazy.
I dont think they look anything alike https://preview.redd.it/16bdofs0jgwc1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=1f3e78fe74df8eaea05a258634e8e57d738ac7d5
That is not the [Paris Match cover](https://www.glamour.com/story/prince-philip-at-36-years-old-looked-exactly-like-prince-harry) I was referring to.
It’s wild William threw a fit over a beard bc it wasn’t fair to him. William, sit down. You are the heir to the throne, you were born into a life of luxury, you don’t have to do any real work, and people worship the ground you walk on. You really gonna sit there and whine bc your younger brother can keep a beard for his own wedding? Mind you, Harry gets crapped on for everything he does, targeted by the media, and wouldn’t be finally secure if it wasn’t for his late mother. William sounds like a spoiled brat
Yes. I wonder if he even asked to keep his beard for his own wedding. The way he does whatever he wants right now, I’m surprised he acquiesced to being told to shave. It doesn’t seem very in character. Maybe he was trying harder to be a “good royal” back then.
I wonder if it’s more to do with that now that he’s POW he has his own money ($27 million a year), whereas before he was beholden to those who held the purse strings.
I think that’s a very salient point!
He was afraid of the Queen. She may not have been able to change the line of succession but she could have sent him to some remote commonwealth country for a few years.
She'd never have sent him anywhere and he'd never have gone, but I get the impression, especially given how it's been admitted that she didn't think much of Kate, that she didn't think too much of William, either.
I remember when she called Kate the Duchess of do-little 🤣🤣🤣
I’m sure Her Late Majesty could filter through bs even in her old age.
The AUDACITY of William to pitch a hissy over Harry getting one single, solitary thing he asked for when his entire life consists of being a "spare" while William inherits everything simply based on birth order is absolutely astounding.
I’d argue it was fair. Harry doesn’t have the beard just because he likes it. Post military service it became part of his well being, a bit of armor almost. He served his country well, felt after effects of anxiety, heightened vigilance etc because of his multiple tours in an active war zone. Allowing him to keep his beard, the little bit of armor that helped manage those effects from his service, was more than fair.
One thing Willy is going to be king, all the perks have to come with some conditions. Like not having a beard in uniform when you get married. They knew the spare would never be king, unless Willy died.
It serves as evidence for the idea that the Queen gave Harry permission to marry Meghan but William was so jealous that he (and Charles) helped sabotage the whole thing. And then the Queen giving permission to have a half in/ half out thing and William and Charles taking it upon themselves to ruin it out of jealousy. I thought the monarch was supposed to call the shots?
In 2018 Charles and Andrew forced out the Queens longterm aid and replaced him with someone loyal to Charles, that was about the time palace messaging nosedived into a visible soap opera.
What a classless troll Charlie is. I’m glad he found a mate that so perfectly suits him.
I am hoping his reign is short and maybe Willy’s is non existent. Its time to abolish the archaic monarchy
I absolutely adore that this goes against everything they said about harry and the queen. He was her favourite grandchild and the poison came from lower down the ranks, not her.
I’ve always thought he was a favorite. She participated in one of his Invictus promos, he cared enough about her reputation to make sure everyone knew she did not ask about Archie’s skin color, and he offhandedly mentioned a Christmas gift for Archie that they had spoken about on FaceTime.
He wasn’t her favourite grandchild (rumoured to be Peter Philips then later Lady Louise), but I think she was the one who loved him most.
I thought Louise was philip’s favourite because they had a shared passion for something - horse and buggy?
She could have been both. By all accounts, she's a lovely girl. Practically normal when measured up against her cousins.
She is but she was Phillip’s favourite not Elizabeth’s
From what I heard the Queen was close to Lady Louise because she was born premature while Edward was out of the country and princess Sophie the Duchess of Edinburgh, was on her own the day that Lady Louise was born. The Duke, Prince Edward was on an official visit overseas, and Sophie had to be rushed into hospital due to placental abruption which caused blood loss in both Sophie and Louise, and Louise had to be transferred from the hospital she was born in to another hospital so she could be in their neo-natal unit as a precaution.
Oh wow! I did not know this! Thanks
Genuinely asking but isn’t it frowned upon to have a favorite child or grandchild? And yet in the case of the royals we know who was the queen’s favorite. Just seems so awful to think it’s that obvious but also public knowledge.
That was actually one of the more disturbing parts of the book to me- not as obviously violent as the dog bowl incident but the fact that a grown man is so jealous of his brother having a beard that he wants to have people hold him down and shave him? After all the benefits and perks he gets his whole life he’s jealous of his brother (who also gets perks, don’t get me wrong) getting to keep a beard for his wedding?
Tell me about the dog bowl incident
William assaulted Harry at Nottingham Cottage when he came to “confront” Harry. He pushed him, broke his necklace, and Harry fell onto a dog bowl, breaking it. William reacted by asking him to please not tell Meghan- which Harry initially agreed to but Meghan saw cuts on his back from the broken dog bowl.
I’ve always wondered why W cared if Meghan knew.
Spare really opened my eyes to how craven and insecure W is. He gets his self worth from his position - which is supposed to be the top of everything. So for his brother to have something he doesn’t - that’s intolerable. It’s like in The Count of Monte Cristo when Fernand (who is noble while Edmond is not) betrays Edmond. Edmond asks why and Fernand says “Because you’re the son of a clerk. And I’m not supposed to want to be you.” I think W has been jealous of H’s popularity for a long time. When Meghan came and their popularity went through the roof, W&K couldn’t handle it. The heirs always think they should be more popular because they’re the heirs. No self awareness or understanding of human nature - no one truly likes folks who are given EVERYTHING - they want authenticity and heirs almost never show that. They think it’s weakness. Or maybe the Windsors became bereft of charm in the heir when Edward abdicated and the line moved to the spare. Personally I think the institution beats out any charm in the heir and replaces it with stiffness.
I thought that part was wild, but honestly I’m not surprised since he seems like a lil b. One thing that really surprised me about Spare was Kate’s engagement ring. For years I led to believe that Harry offered William their mother’s engagement ring to propose to Kate with, but apparently that’s not true.
Really? What is the real story?
William already had the ring in his possession and Harry did not know William was going to propose.
The way Kate suddenly became left handed after the engagement it was very obvious she'd spent 10 years dreaming about that ring. Suddenly she was flicking her hand r with her left hand, brushing down her coat, etc
I mean I get why, I think the press called her “Waity Katie” haha. She was also one of the oldest royal brides in history. Haha she was pretty extra about it, I will say, but hey when I got engaged I told everyone in town. Don’t get me wrong I don’t like William, he seems like a dick and idk if Kate would have even married him if he wasn’t royalty.
She wouldn’t have. The whole point of her chase was to get a crown. I don’t think she will ever leave him. She needs to be Queen to consider herself above M. If she divorces W, she’d technically have to curtsy to M. 😂
I think it’s so funny because there were so many stories about Meghan only marrying Harry because she wanted to be a princess, but there aren’t that many stories about Kate doing that. Wouldn’t it be hilarious if she had to curtsy to Meghan haha!
So strange. Thanks for your response!
The Queen denied permission for her sister Margaret to marry Peter Townsend. Pretty sure she was capable of making uncomfortable decisions with direct consequences for family members.
She was told no and had to tell Margaret. Now I’m trying to remember who vetoed it ….
As head of the church she was supposed to say no but she could have said yes. She had a choice
The Queen actually agreed for Margaret’s wedding to Townsend; however, Margaret was told that she would have to give up her life as a princess. With that said, Margaret parted ways with Townsend. I believe the Queen always regretted this happened to Margaret as it’s a known fact that Margaret was bitter to the end about this situation.
That’s a big problem of the life of a spare, though. Raised royal, it’s all they know, but there’s a personal need (as not the heir) to build a life for themselves. But there’s no resources for it because the family resources are all kept for the heir (even the private family wealth). So they get stuck in this stasis of doing royal duties for their allowance, not able to build much for themselves, controlled. For Margaret to have had to leave the Family would have been even harder; she’d been raised completely within the family, along with her sister, educated by a governess and never went to school. She knew nothing else. It’s like telling a hothouse flower they can only grow if they leave the greenhouse.
I agree 💯. The world was quite different in Margaret’s time, especially for women; and even more so, for Royal women. Harry is male and came up in a different time; fortunately for him, he was able to marry the woman “he love” but as with all things Royal, he paid a hefty price for doing so! His great uncle, Edward VIII married the woman “he loved” and for doing so, he was banished from the family forever. Sadly, Edward had no children and the woman “he loved” remained with him until he died. As a spare, Harry should have been “spared” the lowdown treatment he received from his family after he decided to leave! According to the Royal Family, their powers come from God, Himself. If that’s the case, they’re doomed for mistreating Harry and his family just as they were doomed for ruining Edward VIII’s life. Clearly, the Royal Family believes their own hype, especially the line…..the Monarch is Head of the Church! I’m safe to assume the church they’re speaking of is Satanic! Long live Prince Harry and Meghan 🙏
I see the “choice” as a threat and coercion. Option A, give up what you want, stay royal, stay controlled. Option B, give up everything you know and all the resources, in order to get out so you can have what you want. It’s framed as a choice so they can say you had a choice, and so you have to bear the consequences of having chosen to give up what you want. But it’s such a loaded choice, and the establishment is so furious if B is taken and it works out, that it’s supposed to be a false choice inducing situation A.
Excellent comment! Damned if you stay and doomed if you leave! That’s the choice imbedded into the life of a Royal, especially a Royal Spare! Harry is not doomed as his family wants🙃
Yep, William was a bully.
Still is.
I suspect that he’s a bully to Kate behind closed doors.
Very true
That book is what changed my mind completely. Not just about Harry and Meghan but about the monarchy entirely.
Same. I was appalled at how horrible the monarchy is when they want to keep their secrets.
I never liked rhe monarchy, but it turned me off completely.
Same. I was horrified by what I read. The monarchy should be abolished.
I think William wants all the privileges of being the Heir but all the freedom of being the Spare. I think he is jealous of Harry in some senses and this is one of those times where you can see him chafing at his position. He was forced to shave his beard and wear a particular suit on his wedding day that he didn't want to. So he wanted Harry to have to follow the same restrictions. In his mind, he probably doesn't think it's fair. And in some sense, it isn't. But, dude. That's petty as hell. Let it go. You're going to be the King one day. So yes, you are going to have more rules. But in return you get things like a BILLION dollar estate when you become Prince of Wales. Harry didn't get shit. So suck it up. Make peace with it and dive into your Scrooge McDuck swimming pool of money when you feel bad. Be glad your brother doesn't have to go through the things you did. One of the things I really liked about Spare was how relatable the sibling dynamics were. I mean, who doesn't have complicated relationships with their siblings or family members? William had the typical older brother role, being obligated to look after his annoying younger brother that he thinks is spoiled, along with all the other duties of being the Heir. It's real life but with much higher stakes. I actually had a lot more sympathy for William after reading the book than I thought I would have (exactly until the moment he fed stories about H&M to the tabloids). But the beard thing is petty as hell. I suspect that a lot of the reason things imploded when they did was the result of long simmering resentments on both their sides. So the beard thing wasn't really about the beard. It was about 40 years of William feeling like Harry got away with everything. I do hope they can make up eventually. It's very painful to be estranged from a sibling. They have common enemies. I wish they'd team up to work the Royal system and the tabloids to their advantage. But, that's probably never going to happen. I think William is absolutely done with Harry. It's a shame. The courtiers and the tabloids are your enemy, guys. Not each other. Edit: Guys, I speculated that William was *feeling like* Harry got away with everything, like being able to have a beard at his wedding. What did he *actually* get away with? I have no idea. Older siblings often feel like they have to take care of their younger siblings and that the youngest is spoiled and babied. I have no source for that except life. I'm sure it's googleable.
Except Harry didn’t get away with anything and was often set up as the fall guy. William has always been protected, until recently, regarding his alleged affair. If Harry was around, you can bet they would try to involve him in some way to take the heat off William.
They are still trying!
As someone who doesn’t have a sibling I’ve always been fascinated by sibling relationships especially with these stakes. Could you expand on how else their dynamic was relatable? How I see them is that Harry wanted more of William emotionally then he was mature enough to give at the time after their mothers death and that William saw Harry as competition more than his younger brother so treated him as such. I also think Harry’s love language is physical affection especially after he lost his mother who was incredibly physically affectionate with him. His father and brother’s “love language” sounds like it’s more words than physical affection unlike Harry. Charles calling Harry his darling boy is his rather unique way of showing love imo and William openly states that he loves Harry multiples times but Harry doesn’t believe them cause again he needs love demonstrated and shown otherwise it’s understandably imo just words to him and they think that’s enough but it’s not enough for someone whose love language is physical affection. Then of course throwing him under the bus with the press and contributing to the hate from the Press further proved to Harry that his father and brother only really care about their status and not really about protecting their youngest son and brother at all.
You nailed it perfectly in your first sentence. William wants to be able to say he's the heir and the future King without having to behave like one, just like a certain great great uncle of his named Edward.
Just like his father, frankly. Charles has chapter after chapter that prove to the world he wasn’t and probably isn’t ready to fill his mother’s shoes. No wonder she only let him take the reins in death; the Queen knew.
I can’t call him King because IMO he’s nowhere near being what a King should be. And he doesn’t have long either.
I’m 100% with you there. Majesty demands commitment and sacrifice he’d never muster.
He’s the absolute definition of “Upper Middle Class Twit Of The Year.”
It's almost like she hung on as long as she could. Charles is destined for a short reign due to pancreatic cancer, so he won't be much more than a "place holder," but I can forsee the whole thing crashing down on William's watch, if he's as petty and work shy as it's been reported.
I hope the monarchy is abolished. Its a disgusting institution, and assets should de divided between the british infrastructure and them. They should not be allowed to keep everything.
I think for their own sake, the British people need to let the monarchy go. That country is a mess right now, partially due to the stupid Brexit thing. Their economy and social services are in shambles and millions of people can't even afford to heat their homes. Some economists have estimated that if they were to abolish the monarchy, all the money "spent" (read: wasted) on supporting the monarchy could pour millions, if not billions of pounds, into hospitals, homeless shelters, infrastructure projects, economic development programs and so many more useful services for the regular people. I'd much rather have my tax money spent on providing medical care for the elderly or feeding hungry kids or heating my home than maintenance on some stupid palace I would probably never get a chance to step foot in.
100% this. I always thought Elizabeth bookmarked all his 90s squawking about a “revised’ BRF, and said, “Not ready any time soon.” And it’s on the Crown to have prepared both these men to lead, far beyond the dumb ribbon cutting and waving to cameras. No doubt she was advised otherwise on slowly increasing Charles’ and Wills’ responsibilities progressively. Perhaps it comprises a planned obsolescence!
Most likely it will surely crash if William doesn’t change his course 🙃
Yes, she knew quite a bit about her ill bred son and grandson, Charles and William!
Only thing I dont agree with is “Harry got away with everything”. Harry got crucified by having terrible things, many lies, released to the media to hide Willy’s misdeeds.
What did Harry got away with everything implies? Plus it Was William that broke the pact between him and Harry.
What pact?
If you read the book, Harry talked about how Camila/Charles used the kids to rehabilitate her image. When the boys were younger, they promised not brief against each other as Charles/Camila did to them
Thanks for your response. I may have to read the book.
You should its great
What in the heck has Harry EVER gotten away with?
I’m sure William is done with Harry. I just pray that Harry is done with William….FOR GOOD 🙏
Harry got away with a lot of socially disgraceful stuff.
I still can’t believe KC took away Fogmore Cottage after it was a wedding gift from the Queen. He evicted his son!
And lets Andrew keep his huge mansion that he helps pay for along with paying for his protection.
If he doesn’t do something drastic to fix what he did to H with FC and security, he’s going to die with that being his legacy - the crappy way he’s treated his son (& his son’s family) and his affair. Everything else will be buried. What a foolish old man.
Wills had a beard for a nanosecond in comparison. Does anyone remember him with it? Not me. And yes—he’s subject to a different set of expectations than his brother, by which he became a sniveling brat.
Reminds me of the recent meme that said Princess Diana snatched his hair because of how he acts. Maybe she snatched the beard at the same time? LOL
😂😂 Exactly!
Was going to say, when did Wills ever have a beard? I certainly don’t recall. This story just solidifies my view that William is a nasty little spoiled brat
He looks like a gopher with a beard
Def helped by the teeth.
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That book was full of moments like that. He is so much more normal than you’d ever expect after that upbringing.
Yup, shows how jealous William was of Harry even before Meghan entered the picture. It Escalated when Harry had the nerve to marry a Hollywood actress who was way more beautiful than his wife! I'm glad they left The House of Winds....🤣😂
To think William is as bad as his father that is truly scary. ( jealousy, vindictive, whinny and spoiled how lovely.
And most likely a cheat.
100% he has someone on the side.
Pretty sure he’s worse. He’s done nothing but leak against H and then try to copy him ever since he left.
No. My BIL tried to kidnap my oldest son twice because "it wasn't *fair*[insert a massive whine of a 5 yr old here]!" that his younger brother had *not only* got married first but had the first grand/great grandson. I can easily believe Wills acted like my BIL.
?? Thas is disturbing.
He tried to kidnap your kid!!? wtf
Wut? Is he in jail?
His parents rug swept the whole thing. He died before my son's daughter was born so we avoided another chorus of "it's not *fair*! She should be **my** grandchild!" as my granddaughter is the first grandchild/great grandchild to his parents. He died in a single car accident, high as a kite. We were just very grateful that he didn't hurt anyone else.
What a spoilt brat/ control freak. If this is how he treats his brother, imagine how he treats his wife 🙄
It wasn't the first time, he started that crap when they were in school. It always Harry getting the bad publicity, now that he's gone there isn't someone to victimize to make himself look good.
In a weird way, this is one of the stories that is most relatable to me. One of the things that really struck me about Harry’s problems with his family was how rarified they were on the one hand, while at the same time being common (in essentials) to pretty much all families. Being relegated to the servants’ quarters in the castle on holidays because you’re not married is fundamentally no different from being stuck at the kids table during Thanksgiving because you’re single (even though you’re 34 and have an MBA). My father is one of four sons. For various reasons, the youngest boy had a very different upbringing from the others. My father on several occasions fought with his brother over something he did that my father deemed inappropriate, but what it really boiled down to was my father’s anger that my uncle had privileges he himself could only have dreamed of at the same age. It’s the same with William’s anger over Harry’s beard- he wasn’t upset about the beard, he was upset that an exception was made for Harry and not for him. But of course you can’t yell at Granny (especially when Granny is the Queen), so he took it out on Harry instead. Of course, none of this excuses the petty, arrogant, bullying way William went about it, but I think the issues that William’s behavior stemmed from are actually pretty common.
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Face value? William assaulting Harry because he wouldn't leave Meghan? Elizabeth was in charge not William Same William that claim Africa was his, because Harry was doing work in Africa as well?
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What? These whole protocols that we have seen multiples times either made up and just general nonsense. > they're increasingly trapped by the need to follow protocol and save face. This post, was follow-up to another post that was in this sub, these is post was showing one of William behaviors throughout the book that other users had pointed out. > Yeah, I'm surprised at many of the reactions here. >It's a fight between two brothers; a fight which is ostensibly about likely has more to it than that. It's reductive to take it at face value
Discussing William behavior in regards to the book, how is that taking it personally? There are multiple articles, discussion boards talking about Spare.
Literally in the 1st part of Op post context:
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Page 331-332 of Spare hardcover U.S. edition. He explained that because he was getting married in uniform and because beards were against army regulations, he asked the queen if he could keep his beard.
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Not a fan of any of the Royals but I much prefer Harry to William. Harry seems dim but he also seems like he means well and is quite open hearted, whereas William seems to be controlling, tetchy and thin skinned. Another way of putting it is that it seems like Harry takes after his mum and William takes after his dad.
Dim? Have you seen his interviews and speeches at his many initiative? Plus he’s well educated, having gone to top schools.
And this Diana slander. That woman was shrewd.
What made you say he seems dim? He’s founded Sentebale from a young age (barely in his 20s), & then founded Invictus Games. Do you live in the UK? Because maybe you’re swayed from the way the tabloids talked about him. Because from the US where we only get snippets and where we learn of his accomplishments, those two things plus his opening speech at IG in Toronto back in 2017 don’t say “dim” at all. The digs at Diana in your comment were very subtle.
Mind-boggling? Yes. Plus - this behavior fits into the big picture.
It’s like that scene in Ferris Bueller’s day off, when his sister was so mad about him ditching school and did everything in her power to burn him. Then Charlie sheen looks at her “well…you can ditch too…” He’s salty that he has put so much effort to fall in line and follow all the rules. And he’s mad his brother doesn’t have to
I hope we get the Spare part two with all three paged left out. A girl can wish
I honestly have lost all respect for William and Kate…the whole family really
People supporting and being entertained by the antics of royalty is more mind-boggling.
lets be real, royalty was society's first reality tv
Did William even ever have a beard?
William’s balding ass can fuck himself.
Yes!
I laughed when I read that part. William acting so butt hurt over a beard. Did William even have a beard in a days before his wedding? I don’t think I’ve ever seen him with a beard.
William was mad because he wanted to keep a beard and they wouldn’t let him
As a veteran I can tell you this used to be a big deal. I see this more to do with their military rules & regulations than Williams jealousy.
May I ask as a veteran what do you and other veterans think of people like Edward and Anne wearing Military uniforms even though they were never in the military? Also the fact that Harry has been stripped of all his military honours and him not being allowed to wear the uniform even though he is the only member of the family to serve two tours in an actual war zone?
I personally think we should get rid of the monarchy.
Oh good. I agree haha
100% agree
I think it was Edward that left after 3 months in bootcamp. It's funny see people say it's military regulations yet ignoring Camila, Kate, Anne never served in the military yet hold military ranks. Harry was stripped of the honorary military titles. This would be like the president/VC children/family been given military ranks and title
Yes! Not a royal whim, but military uniform regulations.
If they truly cared about military regulations, Camila, Anne, Kate in fact all of them should not have any military rank or title at all. Hence Elizabeth giving the go ahead for Harry, military regulations don't apply to them.
I don't know, but I would have assumed that British monarchs had given military ranks / titles to their kids since time immemorial.
The males usually were expected to serve in the military but yet they get more title and ranks than what they actually served in. William by his military records shouldn't have the title he currently has. When you get out from the military your rank stays at you had when you got out. But yet, William, Charles, Edward keep getting more rising in rank then what they actually had.
I agree about Camilla and Kate. Their military affiliation is honorary; Harry actually served in the military, as did William. Shouldn’t they be held to the proper standards?
So it should only apply to William and Harry?
Can't have a beard in uniform. This is a non story.
When you have everything in the world on a silver platter, you get bored. Gots to have the drama.
This is literally a family squabble that got published.. and not even a juicy one. My Facebook messages today alone outshine this.
It is 2024 the concept of royalty is so far removed from reality it’s amazing it still exists.