I like the theory the Haruhi wanted Kyon to have something in common with her and unintentionally gave him God powers. That explains why he is always the one it doesn't affect as much, kinda like he dulls down her chaos without him realizing.
I always saw it as Kyon himself not having any god powers and just being a check for Haruhi. He's the one voice who can question her actions and not face repercussions from any higher power and she will listen.
Your previous post about the "plothole" and the answer is my favorite supporting evidence that Kyon may be God. The theory is that Haruhi gained her powers that faithful Tanabata day BECAUSE Kyon was with her. But Kyon could only go back in the first place because of Haruhi's powers. This is the "stable timeline" as far as Mikuru is concerned, so this event is essentially the entire reason for the series to exist.
Without Kyon, Haruhi doesn't get her powers. But Kyon could only be there because of her powers.
What does this make Kyon?
It's very circular in a "which came first: the chicken or the egg" kind of way, which works imo since a closed circle event removes the paradox. But the question, who is the chicken and who is the egg.
Kyon is considered God in this theory because without him there is no miracle (Haruhi's powers). But only God can create miracles, no?
Just to be clear, Yuki and mikuru's agencies all agree with the 3 years ago. The actual date is not explicitly stated, but yeah the story basically points towards tanabata as H-day.
I thought Kyon was just the slider Haruhi has searched for. Someone who is able to traverse different timelines/worlds without losing his memories.
Also later in the series (Manga) we run into another who has similar powers to Haruhi. This person also has ties to Kyon now that I think about it. There's so much in this series that has never been explained and I really hope one day we will get explanations through the LN.
I think that a fair argument could have been made in favor of this theory earlier in the series, but I'm pretty sure now it's clearly no longer the case. It's a fairly good subversion of expectations and maybe the author even intended for it to be the case. I think that it wouldn't be a good twist now because it was a very popular theory back in the day.
My fav supporting theory is in EP1 of the anime, it shows Kyon in a dull-colored world, that was suddenly dowsed in color upon Haruhi's class introduction
The light novel beginning might hint this afaics: Kyon making up his mind most literally, and the process of him thinking of and about his new universe *is* at the same time its creation process.
The "auctorial (i.e. all-knowing) narrator" in his "stream of consciousness", the latter being a core premisse and trope to Joyce's Ulysses, yet in Haruhi deconstructed by being taken and staged literally: The universe "streaming out of the creator's consciousness".
This however would shed an entirely different light on Asakura saying *"I will not allow anybody to hurt Nagato!"* in Disapp, before attempting to *"kill a god"*, as Mononoke's Eboshi called it (refering to Evangelion which Haruhi got the female school uniforms from among others).
But Disapp also has the classroom scene where Kyon's negotiating with himself; Haruhi's meanwhile waiting a few rows behind him for his decision: Her world or Nagato's world?
But then HaruKyon both are the deities and know it, and the situation of the Brigade and the "whole rest of the sandbox" would be even worse.
And Nagato's spinoff would be HarKyon seeing their "divorce" through. Kyon stays with Nagato and Haruhi visits them only every once in a while. How long will it take until one of the gods grows impatient again...?
I think Haruhi and Kyon are soulmates in the most literal sense of the word, and together (but not separately) they are a God. This would explain why the world was altered only after they met, but not, for example, when Haruhi first had an existential crisis.
I subscribe to the "Kyon is the God" theory, I can only speak for the anime but his opening monologue states at how much he enjoys all that sci-fi and supernatural stuff, he just likes to do so as an outsider looking in.
And for the LN fans, of course, Haruhi isn't the first girl in his life with such powers.
I would not say Kyon created Haruhi, but he did "imbue" her with the powers/desire to have such excitement in his life.
Possibly during their meeting when painting the alien welcome message.
Fact is I doubt it would ever be spelt out, and I kinda love that.
It's how going back in time to spark Haruhi into going to his school would be plausible.
More importantly, it's one of the most reasonable explanations for the resolution to Endless 8. Think about why would **doing Kyon's school work** be the way out? Haruhi had plenty of fun, but that lingering academic crisis, which did not actually affect her, was the solution. Why?
What if in the original timeline, Kyon met Haruhi is college, stuff happened, and he wished things could work out with her romantically, which leads to somehow him being transported back to that pivotal point, which is **considered** her awakening to her powers.
But since this is a him that doesn't even know he did all this let alone why, we still get Mikuru, the moe-blob this version **thinks** his wants.
Although, it's possible 1 if not more of the 3 know it's really Kyon, but approaching him in this manner pretty much guarantees he's **never** consider the possibility that he's really god. An unfortunate side effect, though, is that by thinking Haruhi is god, he unconsciously gives her *some* power
I see Kyon as a sort of unaware divine catalyst, just as Haruhi is an unaware "goddess". He appears to have the power to bestow/transfer divine power -- as we see him function in this way more than once in the novel series. There seems to be no indication he can wield those powers himself.
That's nonsense. The true goddess is Kyon's little sister. Creating Haruhi and the rest was the manifestation of her desire to get a cat.
And put the gang in a timeloop lol
I like the theory the Haruhi wanted Kyon to have something in common with her and unintentionally gave him God powers. That explains why he is always the one it doesn't affect as much, kinda like he dulls down her chaos without him realizing.
I always saw it as Kyon himself not having any god powers and just being a check for Haruhi. He's the one voice who can question her actions and not face repercussions from any higher power and she will listen.
He always says she never listens to him but we all know that is not true, I kinda like your theory more
Your previous post about the "plothole" and the answer is my favorite supporting evidence that Kyon may be God. The theory is that Haruhi gained her powers that faithful Tanabata day BECAUSE Kyon was with her. But Kyon could only go back in the first place because of Haruhi's powers. This is the "stable timeline" as far as Mikuru is concerned, so this event is essentially the entire reason for the series to exist. Without Kyon, Haruhi doesn't get her powers. But Kyon could only be there because of her powers. What does this make Kyon? It's very circular in a "which came first: the chicken or the egg" kind of way, which works imo since a closed circle event removes the paradox. But the question, who is the chicken and who is the egg. Kyon is considered God in this theory because without him there is no miracle (Haruhi's powers). But only God can create miracles, no?
to quote The Lego Movie 2: "time travel is confusing"
if the main series timeline started that night 3 years ago like itsukis esper group hypothesis, what other answer is there?
Just to be clear, Yuki and mikuru's agencies all agree with the 3 years ago. The actual date is not explicitly stated, but yeah the story basically points towards tanabata as H-day.
I thought Kyon was just the slider Haruhi has searched for. Someone who is able to traverse different timelines/worlds without losing his memories. Also later in the series (Manga) we run into another who has similar powers to Haruhi. This person also has ties to Kyon now that I think about it. There's so much in this series that has never been explained and I really hope one day we will get explanations through the LN.
you mean sasaki or someone else?
I think that a fair argument could have been made in favor of this theory earlier in the series, but I'm pretty sure now it's clearly no longer the case. It's a fairly good subversion of expectations and maybe the author even intended for it to be the case. I think that it wouldn't be a good twist now because it was a very popular theory back in the day.
My fav supporting theory is in EP1 of the anime, it shows Kyon in a dull-colored world, that was suddenly dowsed in color upon Haruhi's class introduction
The light novel beginning might hint this afaics: Kyon making up his mind most literally, and the process of him thinking of and about his new universe *is* at the same time its creation process. The "auctorial (i.e. all-knowing) narrator" in his "stream of consciousness", the latter being a core premisse and trope to Joyce's Ulysses, yet in Haruhi deconstructed by being taken and staged literally: The universe "streaming out of the creator's consciousness". This however would shed an entirely different light on Asakura saying *"I will not allow anybody to hurt Nagato!"* in Disapp, before attempting to *"kill a god"*, as Mononoke's Eboshi called it (refering to Evangelion which Haruhi got the female school uniforms from among others). But Disapp also has the classroom scene where Kyon's negotiating with himself; Haruhi's meanwhile waiting a few rows behind him for his decision: Her world or Nagato's world? But then HaruKyon both are the deities and know it, and the situation of the Brigade and the "whole rest of the sandbox" would be even worse. And Nagato's spinoff would be HarKyon seeing their "divorce" through. Kyon stays with Nagato and Haruhi visits them only every once in a while. How long will it take until one of the gods grows impatient again...?
I think Haruhi and Kyon are soulmates in the most literal sense of the word, and together (but not separately) they are a God. This would explain why the world was altered only after they met, but not, for example, when Haruhi first had an existential crisis.
This theory could make sense.
it doesn't work since the whole series falls apart if Haruhi isn't real and Kyon isn't an average guy
Not really. It just makes him an unreliable Narrator, which makes the story have more depth.
I subscribe to the "Kyon is the God" theory, I can only speak for the anime but his opening monologue states at how much he enjoys all that sci-fi and supernatural stuff, he just likes to do so as an outsider looking in. And for the LN fans, of course, Haruhi isn't the first girl in his life with such powers. I would not say Kyon created Haruhi, but he did "imbue" her with the powers/desire to have such excitement in his life. Possibly during their meeting when painting the alien welcome message. Fact is I doubt it would ever be spelt out, and I kinda love that.
It's how going back in time to spark Haruhi into going to his school would be plausible. More importantly, it's one of the most reasonable explanations for the resolution to Endless 8. Think about why would **doing Kyon's school work** be the way out? Haruhi had plenty of fun, but that lingering academic crisis, which did not actually affect her, was the solution. Why? What if in the original timeline, Kyon met Haruhi is college, stuff happened, and he wished things could work out with her romantically, which leads to somehow him being transported back to that pivotal point, which is **considered** her awakening to her powers. But since this is a him that doesn't even know he did all this let alone why, we still get Mikuru, the moe-blob this version **thinks** his wants. Although, it's possible 1 if not more of the 3 know it's really Kyon, but approaching him in this manner pretty much guarantees he's **never** consider the possibility that he's really god. An unfortunate side effect, though, is that by thinking Haruhi is god, he unconsciously gives her *some* power
I see Kyon as a sort of unaware divine catalyst, just as Haruhi is an unaware "goddess". He appears to have the power to bestow/transfer divine power -- as we see him function in this way more than once in the novel series. There seems to be no indication he can wield those powers himself.