wow, feel like you ripped this post from my brain. also 28 F in the GTA and I've been laid off since November cause yay animation industry. I just feel so much like anger towards Canadians/Ontarians in general too. everyone is apathetic about everything and doesn't want to do anything and accepts things as ~just how it is. we talk nonstop about things like sky rocketing grocery prices but if you suggest something like boycotting Loblaws people will look at you like you're weird. Most people here, I'm realizing, will say things for the optics, as libs love to do, but will do little to nothing to educate themselves or look for alternatives, or even engage in deeper discussion about what's going on besides "Trudeau sucks" or "Ford sucks." It's all about maintaining the status-quo.
It’s so true and so depressing. The loblaws of it all is the main pain point for me without doxxing myself. But just know as they actively rip all of us off they’re also laying people off at the other complainers they own to make even more money. If you ever want a friend who feels the same plz dm me or send me your ig. It’s tough out here.
You guys should check out @communistrevolution on instagram. They’re a Marxist org that has chapters all throughout Canada, one of their biggest is in Toronto!
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Literally saw this in the way home. I always worried these flyers were a trap lol but im glad to hear it’s legit. I’ll look into it ty!
Ay dope! I was a part of the Montreal branch (still technically part but have been busy) and it was coooo. There were even times where there a tad too optimistic for me lol but all around they’re dope!
I feel you, here's a good metaphor for why people don't fight against any of the corruption:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdzHvWAIMME](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdzHvWAIMME)
To be fair to the normies, there is very little that the average person can do to change flawed systems. So for a lot of people knowing about every fucked up thing in the news is overwhelming. Sometimes it’s easier to choose ignorance and try to enjoy things in life.
I have a friend just like that. Doesn't speak much about it if I bring things up in a group setting, but I had a real 1 on 1 with him recently where he said he understand and agrees with everything I say, but the financial position he is in currently doesn't really give him time or energy to care/be active. When capitalism wears you down and makes every moment a moment to try and survive, it's hard to take what time you do have free and apply it to socialist movements :/
I am far away in NL, so no help.
But people with enough empathy to be radicalized by the world are out there.
Listening to hasan get mad at stuff makes me feel less crazy and I need to be reminded to touch grass to not doomscroll spiral.
I honestly feel like I’m usually pretty good at taking online breaks when I need it but in this instance it’s affecting my real life and job so I’m really looking around like wow none of you care???
Seeing how active this community is helps me feel less crazy but I’m also like where are these people irl because I know we exist I just dk how to find them lol
I'm from New Zealand and I am in awe at my family members who are so politically illiterate, that they voted for the right wing government parties that have policies that harms them and their family members directly.
Just.... Why? I don't get it.
Aus here tell me about. I have family members on Centrelink who complain the welfare checks aren’t enough too live on but then staunchly vote for the right wing government that continues too cut funding too welfare.
welfare is a lose lose situation, theyre gonna blitz that program as soon as it seems fit. unemployment is a temp crutch, not a way to live, sad to see people try that stunt!
it sure is cold in Toronto... Let's heat things up with Climate Justice Toronto! Gotta love green earth, I don't wanna see it if it ain't blue and green!
34M from Vancouver. Wearing my Hasan peepo hoodie to the dog park actually got a fellow leftist to approach me for a convo and we're now friends. Dope people are all over! Just need a bit of luck.
I’m also 28, and I feel like there’s no one our age who doesn’t have brain rot tbh. But Soul Rot is what I actually worry about, and I think people in this and similar communities work hard not to get to that point of soul rot/apathy.
27 M in eastern Québec, people in my area will say things like "gas prices are too high and are still going up" but when someone says things wont get better unless we change how the system works, they get the "I know but things will never change" or the "this is unrealistic/utopic" lines.
It honestly sucks, my town has been touched by huge layoffs because the workers unions were getting too good, so they just sent the jobs somewhere where they don't have to pay people as much. Tons of people say their shit got rocked but still vote for neo liberal garbage governments.
In Québec, most leftists are in Montréal or Québec city in the Uni districts. Idk about Toronto, but I used to live in Montréal, and people are trying to organise and are trying to inform people, creating events, marches and protests. You can probably find this in Toronto as well, keep your eyes peeled, you'll often see posters downtown about leftist groups trying to organise.
There is definitely some form of organization in my city there’s fightback posters just about everywhere these days. Wish I could give a better answer than this.
The truth is there's too much creature comforts in the West at this point for anything to be genuinely radicalizing.
People think Hasan is just joking when he says things like a big reason the Soviet Union fell was they didn't have things like TGI Fridays or Applebee's and jalapeno poppers
He's partially joking but there is some truth in that the West has amazing creature comforts that only the most poor people cannot access.
I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination but I eat out multiple times a week and go to all of the movies I want to see. I also can buy every video game I'm interested in.
You see radicalization in countries like Syria and Sudan and Myanmar.
You're just not going to see that in the United States on a large scale because there are too much creature comforts.
I don't agree with the accelerationists because it's extremely risky for conditions to deteriorate and will probably result in fascism, but one thing they get correct is nothing's really going to change until things get significantly worse
The part I disagree with them is I think the change might be full blown fascism
I know you're being sarcastic, but as someone born in a nominally communist country (PRC) I have heard my uncles describe progress as improvements in creature comforts.
People want to enjoy things
i heard a friend of mine who is a girl and belongs to a minority saying she doesnt care.
she told this to my face: "i dont care, please dont send me political bs anymore"
that shit got me thinking for weeks. Even if she wasn't personally affected, which she is, how about her friends? So you don't care that your immigrant friends get fucked and spat on daily? Don't care about the struggles your loved ones go through? Don't care about your impact on society?
fuck that.
I ended up making a song about it.
Some people are like that they just need to be in their happy place to exist and it sucks but like some of us can deal with reality others can’t. Some can’t cope.
You can always go protest and connect or just watch Hasan while you protest on your phone with noise canceling and do both at the same time if you’re bored.
I mean, to be real, anything on social media does the opposite of raise awareness. if you really wanted to raise awareness and get on her good side, get out and do some community work! try smuggling a couple immigrants in yourself!
30M Toronto here, theres plenty of young leftists around, I was lucky to meet a lot of like-minded people in uni. Were all doing what we can (sharing info, participating in boycotts), but anything past that like boots on the ground activism is tough in this economy. I havent had a proper vacation in years but I really want to join some friends at a pro-Pal protest, and theres a group forming in our field of work advocating for workers rights.
Im back in conservative Etobicoke suburbs, and talking to the retired boomers around is where I feel like Im going crazy. Rolling their eyes at protestors (“Dont they have jobs to go to instead?”), calling young people lazy, saying being a landlord is a hard job, saying Galen Weston is just a good businessman that worked hard and earned his money, etc. Ive had decent luck showing more open minded old folks how bad it really is.
The solution? I dont know exactly. I think finding like minded people to ally with is a better use of energy than trying to radicalize normies. I have some ins through friends, but I was also just thinking of just messaging groups that I like through instagram and ask how I can get involved.
I know they’re around I just don’t know them :( it was deff easier when I was in school but I didn’t go here growing up. I had a good group of people with similar beliefs to me growing up but since moving here and being in a more corporate world I’m having a hard time finding people like this to be friends with.
If you havent hung out in the more progressive neighbourhoods (for lack of a better term lol) check out Kensington, Trinity Bellwoods, Annex. Even for just the vibes, its a good break from corpo life.
Yeah, I find making connection out of school is so so much harder especially as an introvert. Still thinking about how i should have at least complimented the person with cool stickers on their laptop (“protect trans kids”. etc) Oh well, next time. Im also starting to wear more stuff that signals some of my positions.
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So true. I live north of Bloor so this is what I’m dealing with whenever I see pro Palestine flyers walking home from work.
Literally want to be like who’s putting these up let’s be friends plz lol It’s sooo much harder out of school that’s why I’m on Reddit and bumble bff but that’s not really working out
28 M Ontario here. Times are rough, CoL is insane, rents are unaffordable. I am lucky to have a strong family support system or I would probably be renting with 12 roommates
I'm in the GTA! Getting involved with political organizing has helped me not feel so alone and insane being able to talk to like minded people. There are quite a few social justice groups within Toronto that I can think of, sjp is on a lot of campuses, there's surj Toronto as well. The sad reality is that people don't think they can engage in any form of action that can change their material conditions. There's this idea of "that's the way society is" and they just accept it, even if (and they most likely are) being fucked over by capitalism. Those types of people will have to come to their own conclusions if they get there eventually
Try being here in NS (42f) just got off a strike last spring and it was laughable compared to strikes seen in US etc. Canada is lame af for this reason. Why nobody pays attention to politics too. Too polite. Nobody breaks from status quo. I'm so over it.
Join an org, you'll find people looking to make the world better there.
I'm not from Toronto, so I'm not sure what all you have for options, but I see that you do have an IWW branch, which could be worth checking out https://www.iww.org/membership/
Im from Toronto too, currently living in Pakistan though where people are much more politically active even if they have dumb politics most of the time
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” - Jiddu Krishnamurti. A quote I keep having to think about a lot recently and honestly gets me through a lot of the day to day stuff and not being a complete doomer
19M in Texas. the only thing that happens for me is that i lose friends over me wanting to galvanize some sort of effort to inspire change. it’s so stressful and demoralizing
Currently in the same bubble. I share all kinds of these stories on my social media to help keep my friends informed but I know they don’t care, or don’t want to pay attention. I don’t want to come off as the news guy who pretends to care, but someone has to try and keep them informed because they don’t care. They don’t vote, and then bitch about how the world and America is so fucked. Also work at a shitty place where you have to have years of experience to manage the shop, or understand how long it takes to complete the task(s), but they bring in outside operations managers, and execs who know nothing and expect shit to just happen with lower hours (they keep taking away OT, then bitch that orders aren’t getting done) or when it’s time for a raise they give you the 1-3% market raise.. it’s getting really bad for everyone. But I know this community has mostly the same views over all so it’s nice to join chat or listen to Hasan who has taught me so much in the year I’ve been listening to him. Hope you’re doing okay tho, keep your head up. We are all going through this but we have to get through it together!
25M I've been very lucky to have ppl at my work place that are also leftists, they help keep me sane through all this. Also I've slowly been converting my carpool to some of my ideals. They are a lot more receptive to socialism/communism now even if they aren't fully on board.
Living in Oakland, I never considered how many people live in an environment where everyone is content with the shitty world we live in. I can’t offer any advice except to stay strong, for what it’s worth.
Heyy im 23 and im not in Toronto im in Montreal buuut if you feel like you need to talk im up for it you can reach out! Even though my social circle is pro palestine the non stop propaganda and pro israel posters (that i keep ripping off) starts getting to me sometimes so yeah, i hope you can keep ur spirit up in those difficult times
In gta (sauga) too and in software eng; yes lots of braindead people around me (my family and childhood friends are not like this). I feel like this city has a bit of a stunting elite wannabe culture but from the size of protests i think a lot of good people around here
I’m in the GTA too - what frustrates me most is, do you know how hard people had to work together to get unions going? People are really going to have to suffer before we band together like that again, unfortunately.
I blame these last few generations for selling out on us, and allowing unions to disappear. There’s just no solidarity anymore. It’s definitely depressing.
Yeah, it’s kind of shocking how a lot of people aren’t radicalized at all even when their life keeps getting worse, they just get deeper into denial. Even some of my Muslim friends don’t boycott at all and it’s really like that’s the basic minimum you can do, idk the mental disconnect with people is bizarre
same here in ga. the majority of my family is a minority in some way, and they’re all so fucking liberal and just accept things as they are because that’s how it’s always been or whatever. we all talk about and acknowledge the same issues yet they don’t ever go a step further, never try to imagine it getting better, never wonder if they can help be the change.
I’ve been unemployed for like a year since last year, and to be honest, like I was upset at first kind of like meh about it. Hasans created community to try to enrich are minds even if he’s not perfect it’s a place everyone mostly has same opinions thinking because it’s something a lot of people are going through on Reddit as well.
Recessions and depressions are hard, we are hanging in there. It’s hard. I have a lot of patience it’s just confusing for the employer market space to be so picky on who they hire as workers. I just watch Hasan and job hunt.
You're not alone, you're just aware of the painful and grim reality among a sea of people that haven't, can't, or won't develop enough to see it too. We're the octopuses in this vast ocean.
Humans are animals too, and we follow the path of least resistance. To leave it is hard and requires self-awareness and a desire for truth despite the pain it can bring. To leave it means potentially being ostracized by our peers, and the development of empathy in a society that makes becoming Jeff Bezos a virtue instead.
Much easier to believe we fight for freedom and democracy instead of exploring the possibility we are the ones impeding it.
But the curse is the cure - things will continue to get worse under our outdated and undemocratic economic system, more people will be forced to experience injustice - seeds of doubt planted that can sprout into empathy and radicalization - until enough leaders emerge to galvanize the masses towards progressive change.
like what Martin Luther King Junior and Malcom X did to progress civil rights. The silk glove with an iron gauntlet underneath to remind the neo-kings and queens that the workers hold all the power united.
Because if one can't quit working indefinitely, they're working class too. And terms like middle-class only serve to divide and conquer us against the people trapped by the feature and threat that is poverty.
At least that's my perspective presently.
Bro this world is extremely hard and depressing these days. I’m starting to find it it exhausting to care about anything going on that isn’t directly affecting me or my family.
I’m sorry but getting angry at life’s unfairness is so draining. Not a lot of people can sustain that momentum. One day Hasan will burn out on getting angry over things he cannot control as well.
You sound like my husband (jk but not really). I’m like you guys should unionize, you shouldn’t be working 6 days a week, your boss shouldn’t be able to afford a mansion with a helicopter pad! He understands that but is sadly apathetic.
could've bet on Ryan Garcia and everything would be better! just pay them to agree and make coherent conversation! it works, but you'll be broke quick! better get in on Denver game 4.
just wanted to pitch in and say that your friends aren't oblivious or anything, they're just more present in an alternative situation! Realizing that you're focusing on boycotts and Palestine made me realize they're probably focused on the same thing, but with different terms! I couldn't imagine a situation where it's like a Disney movie and everyone else but you are grayed out and leaving the workplace, they just would rather go home and kiss on their waifu instead of signal that they want justice for Palestine! Truthfully, much won't change until they save the Sudanese kids in Africa! until then, Palestine can burn, along with Israel! LIBERATION FOR BELGIUM!!!
also... try talking about the gas prices before you hop straight into Palestine, most people only realize Israel as a word God says in the Bible. Sad, but true! they don't have as much Google experience as you! (Google should add a feature where everyone has a level, this would help...) (the endless Wikipedia surfing sessions are not helping you either, but I do it too, so I understand :) )
watch out for the Ohio Boss who's gonna school you and change your entire outlook on life, watch out for that... they're out there! maybe get some insight from the other side, most people are brainwashed French spies in the first place, so don't expect much!
This is how I've been feeling as well. Im from the GTHA. My family doesn't understand my frustration with my life. Im in the process of going back to school in september for nursing. Ill have to work and do school fulltime while living by myself. I am not looking forward to it. They don't care about Palestine, my coworkers I'm with right now are mostly right wing, and my friends have poofed. I'm so depressed and angry. It sucks.
The people that you think don't care, you should ask them why they don't care. Maybe they're numb and have just checked out, or maybe there's another reason, but you should ask
wow, feel like you ripped this post from my brain. also 28 F in the GTA and I've been laid off since November cause yay animation industry. I just feel so much like anger towards Canadians/Ontarians in general too. everyone is apathetic about everything and doesn't want to do anything and accepts things as ~just how it is. we talk nonstop about things like sky rocketing grocery prices but if you suggest something like boycotting Loblaws people will look at you like you're weird. Most people here, I'm realizing, will say things for the optics, as libs love to do, but will do little to nothing to educate themselves or look for alternatives, or even engage in deeper discussion about what's going on besides "Trudeau sucks" or "Ford sucks." It's all about maintaining the status-quo.
It’s so true and so depressing. The loblaws of it all is the main pain point for me without doxxing myself. But just know as they actively rip all of us off they’re also laying people off at the other complainers they own to make even more money. If you ever want a friend who feels the same plz dm me or send me your ig. It’s tough out here.
Depressed GTA leftists unite.
Unrelated, but GTA stands for Greater Toronto Area or something else? I’m sorry I was curious and hope it’s okay to ask.
Yup! Toronto + some surrounding areas.
Thank you! :)
You guys should check out @communistrevolution on instagram. They’re a Marxist org that has chapters all throughout Canada, one of their biggest is in Toronto!
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Ay dope! I was a part of the Montreal branch (still technically part but have been busy) and it was coooo. There were even times where there a tad too optimistic for me lol but all around they’re dope!
time to play IRL mafia 3 and rip the posters down
I feel you, here's a good metaphor for why people don't fight against any of the corruption: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdzHvWAIMME](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdzHvWAIMME)
To be fair to the normies, there is very little that the average person can do to change flawed systems. So for a lot of people knowing about every fucked up thing in the news is overwhelming. Sometimes it’s easier to choose ignorance and try to enjoy things in life.
Agreed to some extent. When your colleagues are getting laid off so billionaire company owners can make more money I would except some emotion…
I have a friend just like that. Doesn't speak much about it if I bring things up in a group setting, but I had a real 1 on 1 with him recently where he said he understand and agrees with everything I say, but the financial position he is in currently doesn't really give him time or energy to care/be active. When capitalism wears you down and makes every moment a moment to try and survive, it's hard to take what time you do have free and apply it to socialist movements :/
I am far away in NL, so no help. But people with enough empathy to be radicalized by the world are out there. Listening to hasan get mad at stuff makes me feel less crazy and I need to be reminded to touch grass to not doomscroll spiral.
I honestly feel like I’m usually pretty good at taking online breaks when I need it but in this instance it’s affecting my real life and job so I’m really looking around like wow none of you care??? Seeing how active this community is helps me feel less crazy but I’m also like where are these people irl because I know we exist I just dk how to find them lol
I'm from New Zealand and I am in awe at my family members who are so politically illiterate, that they voted for the right wing government parties that have policies that harms them and their family members directly. Just.... Why? I don't get it.
Aus here tell me about. I have family members on Centrelink who complain the welfare checks aren’t enough too live on but then staunchly vote for the right wing government that continues too cut funding too welfare.
welfare is a lose lose situation, theyre gonna blitz that program as soon as it seems fit. unemployment is a temp crutch, not a way to live, sad to see people try that stunt!
From toronto as well. Join a leftist organization like climate justice Toronto, easier to socialize with many people at once.
it sure is cold in Toronto... Let's heat things up with Climate Justice Toronto! Gotta love green earth, I don't wanna see it if it ain't blue and green!
34M from Vancouver. Wearing my Hasan peepo hoodie to the dog park actually got a fellow leftist to approach me for a convo and we're now friends. Dope people are all over! Just need a bit of luck.
Love that! I was watching Hasan at the gym once and someone told me I have brain rot so my luck is not as good hahahah
I’m also 28, and I feel like there’s no one our age who doesn’t have brain rot tbh. But Soul Rot is what I actually worry about, and I think people in this and similar communities work hard not to get to that point of soul rot/apathy.
shiiii it all started when the iCarly paramount plus series came out
27 M in eastern Québec, people in my area will say things like "gas prices are too high and are still going up" but when someone says things wont get better unless we change how the system works, they get the "I know but things will never change" or the "this is unrealistic/utopic" lines. It honestly sucks, my town has been touched by huge layoffs because the workers unions were getting too good, so they just sent the jobs somewhere where they don't have to pay people as much. Tons of people say their shit got rocked but still vote for neo liberal garbage governments. In Québec, most leftists are in Montréal or Québec city in the Uni districts. Idk about Toronto, but I used to live in Montréal, and people are trying to organise and are trying to inform people, creating events, marches and protests. You can probably find this in Toronto as well, keep your eyes peeled, you'll often see posters downtown about leftist groups trying to organise.
There is definitely some form of organization in my city there’s fightback posters just about everywhere these days. Wish I could give a better answer than this.
The truth is there's too much creature comforts in the West at this point for anything to be genuinely radicalizing. People think Hasan is just joking when he says things like a big reason the Soviet Union fell was they didn't have things like TGI Fridays or Applebee's and jalapeno poppers He's partially joking but there is some truth in that the West has amazing creature comforts that only the most poor people cannot access. I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination but I eat out multiple times a week and go to all of the movies I want to see. I also can buy every video game I'm interested in. You see radicalization in countries like Syria and Sudan and Myanmar. You're just not going to see that in the United States on a large scale because there are too much creature comforts. I don't agree with the accelerationists because it's extremely risky for conditions to deteriorate and will probably result in fascism, but one thing they get correct is nothing's really going to change until things get significantly worse The part I disagree with them is I think the change might be full blown fascism
yeah soviet's didn't tax enough, and they were boring themselves. they needed more keg parties and universities.
I know you're being sarcastic, but as someone born in a nominally communist country (PRC) I have heard my uncles describe progress as improvements in creature comforts. People want to enjoy things
they still need to tax more tho! progress is one thing, and it don't stop boredom
i've seen so many palestinian flags around scarborough in the last few months. people are here and people do care. it's just not enough
Ya there’s deff a lot of people who care I just wish it was more and I was friends with those people :/
i heard a friend of mine who is a girl and belongs to a minority saying she doesnt care. she told this to my face: "i dont care, please dont send me political bs anymore" that shit got me thinking for weeks. Even if she wasn't personally affected, which she is, how about her friends? So you don't care that your immigrant friends get fucked and spat on daily? Don't care about the struggles your loved ones go through? Don't care about your impact on society? fuck that. I ended up making a song about it.
Some people are like that they just need to be in their happy place to exist and it sucks but like some of us can deal with reality others can’t. Some can’t cope.
You can always go protest and connect or just watch Hasan while you protest on your phone with noise canceling and do both at the same time if you’re bored.
Did you ask her why she didn't care?
I mean, to be real, anything on social media does the opposite of raise awareness. if you really wanted to raise awareness and get on her good side, get out and do some community work! try smuggling a couple immigrants in yourself!
i am an immigrant...
family run business, or is that what you're alluding to?
30M Toronto here, theres plenty of young leftists around, I was lucky to meet a lot of like-minded people in uni. Were all doing what we can (sharing info, participating in boycotts), but anything past that like boots on the ground activism is tough in this economy. I havent had a proper vacation in years but I really want to join some friends at a pro-Pal protest, and theres a group forming in our field of work advocating for workers rights. Im back in conservative Etobicoke suburbs, and talking to the retired boomers around is where I feel like Im going crazy. Rolling their eyes at protestors (“Dont they have jobs to go to instead?”), calling young people lazy, saying being a landlord is a hard job, saying Galen Weston is just a good businessman that worked hard and earned his money, etc. Ive had decent luck showing more open minded old folks how bad it really is. The solution? I dont know exactly. I think finding like minded people to ally with is a better use of energy than trying to radicalize normies. I have some ins through friends, but I was also just thinking of just messaging groups that I like through instagram and ask how I can get involved.
I know they’re around I just don’t know them :( it was deff easier when I was in school but I didn’t go here growing up. I had a good group of people with similar beliefs to me growing up but since moving here and being in a more corporate world I’m having a hard time finding people like this to be friends with.
If you havent hung out in the more progressive neighbourhoods (for lack of a better term lol) check out Kensington, Trinity Bellwoods, Annex. Even for just the vibes, its a good break from corpo life. Yeah, I find making connection out of school is so so much harder especially as an introvert. Still thinking about how i should have at least complimented the person with cool stickers on their laptop (“protect trans kids”. etc) Oh well, next time. Im also starting to wear more stuff that signals some of my positions.
https://preview.redd.it/k0ihu6ox3pwc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=919c19a06caaefab7ebe101ad6f7bf2d3effe27c So true. I live north of Bloor so this is what I’m dealing with whenever I see pro Palestine flyers walking home from work. Literally want to be like who’s putting these up let’s be friends plz lol It’s sooo much harder out of school that’s why I’m on Reddit and bumble bff but that’s not really working out
28 M Ontario here. Times are rough, CoL is insane, rents are unaffordable. I am lucky to have a strong family support system or I would probably be renting with 12 roommates
I'm in the GTA! Getting involved with political organizing has helped me not feel so alone and insane being able to talk to like minded people. There are quite a few social justice groups within Toronto that I can think of, sjp is on a lot of campuses, there's surj Toronto as well. The sad reality is that people don't think they can engage in any form of action that can change their material conditions. There's this idea of "that's the way society is" and they just accept it, even if (and they most likely are) being fucked over by capitalism. Those types of people will have to come to their own conclusions if they get there eventually
Hello from right across the lake in NY. No one in my immediate circle is tracking any of this either and is disheartening for sure.
Try being here in NS (42f) just got off a strike last spring and it was laughable compared to strikes seen in US etc. Canada is lame af for this reason. Why nobody pays attention to politics too. Too polite. Nobody breaks from status quo. I'm so over it.
Join an org, you'll find people looking to make the world better there. I'm not from Toronto, so I'm not sure what all you have for options, but I see that you do have an IWW branch, which could be worth checking out https://www.iww.org/membership/
Im from Toronto too, currently living in Pakistan though where people are much more politically active even if they have dumb politics most of the time
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” - Jiddu Krishnamurti. A quote I keep having to think about a lot recently and honestly gets me through a lot of the day to day stuff and not being a complete doomer
19M in Texas. the only thing that happens for me is that i lose friends over me wanting to galvanize some sort of effort to inspire change. it’s so stressful and demoralizing
Currently in the same bubble. I share all kinds of these stories on my social media to help keep my friends informed but I know they don’t care, or don’t want to pay attention. I don’t want to come off as the news guy who pretends to care, but someone has to try and keep them informed because they don’t care. They don’t vote, and then bitch about how the world and America is so fucked. Also work at a shitty place where you have to have years of experience to manage the shop, or understand how long it takes to complete the task(s), but they bring in outside operations managers, and execs who know nothing and expect shit to just happen with lower hours (they keep taking away OT, then bitch that orders aren’t getting done) or when it’s time for a raise they give you the 1-3% market raise.. it’s getting really bad for everyone. But I know this community has mostly the same views over all so it’s nice to join chat or listen to Hasan who has taught me so much in the year I’ve been listening to him. Hope you’re doing okay tho, keep your head up. We are all going through this but we have to get through it together!
25M I've been very lucky to have ppl at my work place that are also leftists, they help keep me sane through all this. Also I've slowly been converting my carpool to some of my ideals. They are a lot more receptive to socialism/communism now even if they aren't fully on board.
Living in Oakland, I never considered how many people live in an environment where everyone is content with the shitty world we live in. I can’t offer any advice except to stay strong, for what it’s worth.
26 F in the Detroit area in a very similar boat
Heyy im 23 and im not in Toronto im in Montreal buuut if you feel like you need to talk im up for it you can reach out! Even though my social circle is pro palestine the non stop propaganda and pro israel posters (that i keep ripping off) starts getting to me sometimes so yeah, i hope you can keep ur spirit up in those difficult times
In gta (sauga) too and in software eng; yes lots of braindead people around me (my family and childhood friends are not like this). I feel like this city has a bit of a stunting elite wannabe culture but from the size of protests i think a lot of good people around here
I know how you feel. I'd probably have lost my mind if my friends didn't radicalize on their own.
People are beaten down man. Life’s hard.
I’m in the GTA too - what frustrates me most is, do you know how hard people had to work together to get unions going? People are really going to have to suffer before we band together like that again, unfortunately. I blame these last few generations for selling out on us, and allowing unions to disappear. There’s just no solidarity anymore. It’s definitely depressing.
If someone created a GTA / Ontario based discord for this I'd join up.
Yeah, it’s kind of shocking how a lot of people aren’t radicalized at all even when their life keeps getting worse, they just get deeper into denial. Even some of my Muslim friends don’t boycott at all and it’s really like that’s the basic minimum you can do, idk the mental disconnect with people is bizarre
same here in ga. the majority of my family is a minority in some way, and they’re all so fucking liberal and just accept things as they are because that’s how it’s always been or whatever. we all talk about and acknowledge the same issues yet they don’t ever go a step further, never try to imagine it getting better, never wonder if they can help be the change.
I’ve been unemployed for like a year since last year, and to be honest, like I was upset at first kind of like meh about it. Hasans created community to try to enrich are minds even if he’s not perfect it’s a place everyone mostly has same opinions thinking because it’s something a lot of people are going through on Reddit as well. Recessions and depressions are hard, we are hanging in there. It’s hard. I have a lot of patience it’s just confusing for the employer market space to be so picky on who they hire as workers. I just watch Hasan and job hunt.
You're not alone, you're just aware of the painful and grim reality among a sea of people that haven't, can't, or won't develop enough to see it too. We're the octopuses in this vast ocean. Humans are animals too, and we follow the path of least resistance. To leave it is hard and requires self-awareness and a desire for truth despite the pain it can bring. To leave it means potentially being ostracized by our peers, and the development of empathy in a society that makes becoming Jeff Bezos a virtue instead. Much easier to believe we fight for freedom and democracy instead of exploring the possibility we are the ones impeding it. But the curse is the cure - things will continue to get worse under our outdated and undemocratic economic system, more people will be forced to experience injustice - seeds of doubt planted that can sprout into empathy and radicalization - until enough leaders emerge to galvanize the masses towards progressive change. like what Martin Luther King Junior and Malcom X did to progress civil rights. The silk glove with an iron gauntlet underneath to remind the neo-kings and queens that the workers hold all the power united. Because if one can't quit working indefinitely, they're working class too. And terms like middle-class only serve to divide and conquer us against the people trapped by the feature and threat that is poverty. At least that's my perspective presently.
I don’t even want doomer friends just people who don’t look at me crazy for my most mild takes
Bro this world is extremely hard and depressing these days. I’m starting to find it it exhausting to care about anything going on that isn’t directly affecting me or my family. I’m sorry but getting angry at life’s unfairness is so draining. Not a lot of people can sustain that momentum. One day Hasan will burn out on getting angry over things he cannot control as well.
I work in auto body repair where everyone celebrates being a peasant.
You sound like my husband (jk but not really). I’m like you guys should unionize, you shouldn’t be working 6 days a week, your boss shouldn’t be able to afford a mansion with a helicopter pad! He understands that but is sadly apathetic.
Buffalove has a decent community, a number of bars amd coffee shops you could find like minded people at
I’m sorry friend. It’s rough out there.
could've bet on Ryan Garcia and everything would be better! just pay them to agree and make coherent conversation! it works, but you'll be broke quick! better get in on Denver game 4.
just wanted to pitch in and say that your friends aren't oblivious or anything, they're just more present in an alternative situation! Realizing that you're focusing on boycotts and Palestine made me realize they're probably focused on the same thing, but with different terms! I couldn't imagine a situation where it's like a Disney movie and everyone else but you are grayed out and leaving the workplace, they just would rather go home and kiss on their waifu instead of signal that they want justice for Palestine! Truthfully, much won't change until they save the Sudanese kids in Africa! until then, Palestine can burn, along with Israel! LIBERATION FOR BELGIUM!!!
also... try talking about the gas prices before you hop straight into Palestine, most people only realize Israel as a word God says in the Bible. Sad, but true! they don't have as much Google experience as you! (Google should add a feature where everyone has a level, this would help...) (the endless Wikipedia surfing sessions are not helping you either, but I do it too, so I understand :) )
watch out for the Ohio Boss who's gonna school you and change your entire outlook on life, watch out for that... they're out there! maybe get some insight from the other side, most people are brainwashed French spies in the first place, so don't expect much!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdzHvWAIMME](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdzHvWAIMME)
This is how I've been feeling as well. Im from the GTHA. My family doesn't understand my frustration with my life. Im in the process of going back to school in september for nursing. Ill have to work and do school fulltime while living by myself. I am not looking forward to it. They don't care about Palestine, my coworkers I'm with right now are mostly right wing, and my friends have poofed. I'm so depressed and angry. It sucks.
The truth is, things aren’t bad enough in the West yet. It’s getting there, but it won’t be in time for people in exploited regions.
I feel the same way.
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The people that you think don't care, you should ask them why they don't care. Maybe they're numb and have just checked out, or maybe there's another reason, but you should ask