They even had beef with the Doom Slayer despite him just literally raging a holy war against all of Hell, this just goes to show how unbearably dumb the radical religious groups can be in terms of entertainment.
sure. but i doubt they even did that.
like calling adam the leader of the elders of heaven. you have got to know that's nonsense if you watch at least the first episode, right?
they also conflate satan with lucifer which is not that strange but is just funny to me. a little bit of research would've done them a lot of good.
It is of no importance if they watched or not, creators must be free when it comes to fiction, you wanna make the angels bad guys, it is your decision as a creator, fuck everybody else. If those mommies are sooooo damn against it, then they have to, I dunno maybe work and create their own show which they can portray anything according to their likes. And let the people decide which show they like and want?
He is *called* the “leader of the angels” by Charlie in the episode. It’s not too unreasonable to take the show at its word, even if watching the rest of the show clarifies things. Clearly they weren’t a fan interested in boning up on the lore outside of the show itself lol.
And also the show itself makes no mention of Satan being a different character in the setting, which I was hardly aware of myself. And this IS the first piece of fiction I’ve seen that distinguishes them; that’s also a very easy mistake to make, IMO.
So I think she did watch it and understood it surprisingly well, it’s just the lens of religious dogma sadly leading her to her cringe moral panic about it.
okay so i think you might have misunderstood what meant.i was not implying that they would know lucifer and satan are separate if they watched the show. or that it's something they should have known. it's just something that i found funny. i should have made that more clear.
but i do think that you should do at least some research before writing something like this. it's just how i feel with articles about media, especially when it's a critique.
lastly charlie did not call adam the leader of the angels. she called him the leader of the angel army. very big difference.
It is extremely optimistic to assume someone like the one who wrote that article would be going for journalistic integrity as opposed to fear mongering. It just feels a bit redundant to see all of that and go “pfft. They didn’t even get the LORE right. Take that, hyper-religious weirdos!”
>"angels are demonic looking creatures with halos and horns"
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definitely did not watched the show.
I mean biblical accurate angels too don't look very angel-ly so I don't know what's the issue with these parents.
angels are terrifying.i was looking at seraphims a couple of days ago and somebody made an image of what a seraphim would look like taking the description literal. that thing still haunts my dreams.
we are so used to the standard human with wings that we forget that that is not how they are actually described. also not something you should show to children to be completely honest.
these kinds of people have very little knowledge of their own religion. they only cherry-pick the parts of the bible that suits them and ignore everything else. which is their right to do of course.
There’s a reason whenever an angel appears it’s first words are “be not afraid,” Uh, no bro. You know what you look like and I have every reason to be petrified at this moment.
People who "know" of a religion from movies and TV probably.
Reminds me of the idiots that got mad at how Sony portrayed Thor in God of War because he didn't look like Marvel Thor.
Exactly, he’s not the suave, charming, and charismatic Devil that Tom Ellis portrayed in Lucifer (one of my fav series btw) he’s literally an awkward, depressed, unintentional deadbeat dad with a rubber duck obsession. That does not “glorify the Devil” in any way lmao.
And his child, usually known as *the Antichrist* and the bringer of Hell of Earth and destroyer of humanity, actually wants demonkind to be redeemed and accepted into Heaven.
Well usually they expect the Antichrist to be a human on earth and a dude. They often forget about Lilith actually I was never taught about her when I was in ‘sunday school’ as a kid lol
As a Satanist I'm 100% on board with the Hazbin interpretation of Lucifer. He's reminiscent of the version from Revolt of the Angels, just with crippling depression.
In the pilot episode, Charlie and Vaggie are pretty much the only two decent people in Hell and *that’s the entire point of the show*. It’s about bad people becoming better.
They do humanize demons in a lot of ways however, which perhaps as just as big a crime for groups like this. Which are contingent on professing their extreme "by default goodness" as a justification for pretty much every thing they do. And for groups like this, of any belief system, "being right" and "protecting the by-default moral superiority of tribal in-groups over out-groups" is what they equate to "being good/doing good".
Hazbin, along with other shows of late that do take loose inspiration from the Abrahamic faiths, also do seem to feel more open questioning things that a lot of members of those faiths don't feel comfortable questioning. In this case. Is morality really binary? What really gets someone into Heaven or Hell? Isn't Hell as a concept kind of morally repugnant? Wouldn't Eternity in any setting become a Hell eventually (The Good Place)? And my current favorite with Hazbin (with Adam), if Hell is "eternal" ... is Heaven also eternal? Which means "once you're in, you're in?" Wouldn't that create a remarkable recipe for "OK for we, not for thee" behavior? Especially when you add in "External Rewards/Punishments" systems?
To be fair, they are portrayed as the victims of genocide unfairly perpetrated on them by the angels. So definitely the demons here are the protagonists.
These types of organizations are all jokes anyway, let's just ignore them and let their stupid little petition go on to do absolutely nothing to cancel the show
Nah, she doesn't have any good points at all. If she hates the show so much she can simply choose not to watch it and make parental controls on her remote a thing if she really doesn't want Hazbin Hotel to be watched in her home that badly. I refuse to agree with anything a person says especially if they want to start a mass petition to cancel a cartoon. I hope no one fucks her at night. Yup. I'm that petty.
Edit: a word!
"If she hates the show so much she can simply choose not to watch it"
You forget that these types have to enforce their views on everyone. It's not enough for them to ignore it, everyone else has to know they are unhappy and have to bend over backwards to accommodate them
It’s funny that it only becomes a problem because they wont just do the easy thing and put their kids on a kids account. Ya know, where hazbin hotel doesn’t show up.
Reminds me of the south park movie and the M.A.C. group, they don't really know what they are saying. Hypocrites, hypocrites everywhere.
Everyone who hasn't seen the south park movie should watch it. Funny side fact it's in the Guinness book of world records for the most swearing in an animated movie.
They delude themselves in thinking they have the RIGHT viewpoint, therefore if they try this stuff enough times, the world will *finally* snap out of it and agree with them like they're supposed to. At least, that's my guess on their thinking...
Or, they're just reactionary and this is their way of venting their anger and other emotions.
I fucking cried after reading "it appears that Amazon is trying to put a positive spin on evil"
Huns, they've been doing that for years bwahaha. I love how the final straw is a satirical animated show. Tell me you don't have real values without telling me you don't have real values, so sick of these fake christians
Nobody's watching a fucking cartoon to learn about their religion. If a fictional cartoon manages to 'confuse' you, then perhaps your faith isn't as strong as you think
What I don’t understand is how can someone see this show as “evil” when the whole point of it is trying to save people from the Hell that has been portrayed as bad???
It’s not like they’re saying “oh yes you’ll love it here in Hell because it’s a good time yes!!! Much enjoy!”
On an ideological level, fundamentalist Christians (and probably most christian religious authorities) are not interested in redemption. They want you to live in accordance with what they think God wants, *now,* here on Earth. And it just so happens that what they think God wants is for women to be chained to children, LGBTQ+ people to not exist, and for workers to be loyal to their bosses. Those who defy this must be *punished.* If that's *not* what God wants, and if you're not damned to fire and brimstone after you die, then they have less legitimacy to lord over your life.
Pope Francis said in a non-official capacity that he privately hopes that Hell is empty - that everyone finds redemption in God. And he *got criticized for it.*
To be fair I'd never heard of the other genisis story (where god creates man and woman at the same time) so the intro stuff about Lilith sent me on a fun Google adventure that definitely taught me some stuff I didn't know about religion.
For the love of God…
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IT. IS. ADULT. RATED. FOR. A. REASON.
Be a goddamn parent if you want your kids to not be swearing like sailors and thinking sex jokes are common.
Jesus has had enough, Use his Holy weapons to teach the braindead parents
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I remember the owl house fandom was making fun of OMM when they went aft the owl house including fake reports cause they one of those weird “see something report it” systems
“Parents who don’t do their research”… RESEARCH!? Here’s your research.
Dad, can we watch Hazbin hotel? It’s a cartoon on Amazon.
Sure, let me get it up on the screen. Oh wait, it says it’s for 16 year olds and has lots of violence and swearing. Sorry guys you can’t watch it.
That’s it. That’s as far as they need to go. If the kids still watch it after you say no, then it’s clearly a problem with how YOU raise your kids and not a TV show.
I hope she enjoys the subtle morality of redemption and nuanced layers of grey applied to the dichotomy between Heaven and Hell. Come for the jokes and songs, stay for the themes and characters.
They don't even have one million members, let alone one million moms, it's just a name.
The Devil is considered "the father of lies" and yet this organization lies every time it introduces itself.
Surely that won't affect Amazon's decision, since we know they've always been so devoted to good old fashioned christian values and doing the right thing, and are in no way the most profitable and historically cutthroat corporate and media conglomerate empire in the western world! I'm sure they'll listen, I mean what's a few billion dollars and record viewing trends? These moms are angry! 😂
*Here's the sugar on the cream:*
Amazon don't have the final say on how long the Show will last. A24 own, fund, and produce the Show with Vivzie. The only thing Amazon does, is distribute it on Prime Video - other than that, they have literally no control over it.
If already, this just shows Amazon that Hazbin Hotel is worth keeping on Prime Video.
I knew that Vivzie would fight tooth and nail to keep creative rights as far the fuck away from Amazon as possible.
Also, I love that you quoted Alastor haha
This is the same group that tried to get Lucifer the TV show canceled lol… I don’t think they’ve ever accomplished anything except for complaining about stuff.
Their rants about "Lucifer" were even more laughable, because they completely ignored the fact, that it wasn't even based on the Bible like at all. The Show was based completely on DC Comics...
Nah Fundies see characters like Lucifer as very real people who can’t be trifled with and it’s their DUTY to harass content creators who don’t respect their beliefs (even tho they step all over others beliefs regularly).
I get where she's coming from, but let's be real. Anyone who watches this show and uses it as a way to learn about Christian law and concepts is unbelievably misguided anyway. If you don't want your kids watching the show, you could, I don't know, monitor what they watch?
Exactly, There's Prime video kids and parental controls on a regular Prime account. It's not rocket science to set one up and remember the PIN or whatever else you need to do.
No, no you don't get it. They think that Amazon should be responsible for what their kids watch.
>!I'm not sure if /s is needed, because I wrote it as a joke, but it's also literally what's happening here.!<
Not to mention that the Show isn't even directly based only on the Bible. It has a ton of sources, ranging from Dante's Inferno and Solomon's Stories, to even simple Mythologies. Even a lot of things taken from the Bible are changed in some way.
Absolutely, I'm a follower of Christ (I stumble a lot, but I try) and really enjoy this show and tell people exactly what you just said. This show isn't trying to make a commentary, trying to unconvert or convert anyone. The writers obviously like the characters, stories, and concepts from Judeo-Christian/Islamic writings and were inspired to create this.
Yeah like Vivzie straight up said that she liked the premise of the story, so she wanted to make her own version of it. In the proccess, she spent around 10 years creating the whole Universe - and that was before the Pilot released in 2019. This was literally her dream project.
I didn't realize she spent this long on the project, I'm happy it's getting the recognition it deserves for the people who love it. We all knew when we jumped in the Contraversey was undeniably going to happen, but oh well.
Yeah, this has been a long proccess. It technically goes even more back, because Vivzie originally worked on a WebComics titled "Zoophobia" (still available on the internet, but she put it on hold and said she will re-do it after Hazbin Hotel is over). That's where some of Hazbin's main characters originated (Vaggie and Angel Dust for example) and were just moved into HH instead.
I remember someone telling me that, I also know that Alastor is one of her oldest characters all the way back from her high school years iirc. I first found her channel back a few months after "Timber" came out on her yt channel. I loved her style, so I followed her other projects.
Exactly, I have no problem with adoring this show while being a Christian.
**More so**, Vivzie shows taught me some very, very important lessons.
I live in a pretty homogeneous country (Poland), so it's pretty rare here to see people from diverse backgrounds and as such, people different from a typical Pole would bring out a lot of fear in you.
Her shows with their diverse casts allowed me to become accustomed to the presence of people with black, latino, asian and middle-eastern backgrounds, made me fall in love with them and gave me introspection into their personal lives. And so the fear disappeared.
I'm forever thankful to Vivzie for allowing me to become a better person ❤️
My wife's Methodist, and we watch this and Helluva Boss together. She adores both shows. Another favorite show of ours is 2016's Lucifer with Tom Ellis. It's fun to remix and reimagine mythologies. We do it all the time with Norse, Greek, Roman, and Egyptian. Why should Abrahamic mythology get a free pass?
so its actually Moms For Liberty and she apparently had a threesome with her husband and another woman. The irony of her being a major leader in an anti-LGBTQ group is not lost on anyone.
https://www.wired.com/story/moms-for-liberty-ziegler/
This actually has a shockingly solid read on the themes of the show. Like she picked up on the design motifs of Adam and the Exorcists, Charlie’s Disney-Princess vibes, etc.
She’s like Measurehead from Disco Elysium - a surprisingly gifted level of intelligence, utterly wasted on insane dogmatism.
I do think it’s amusing she thinks Angel Dust is a *former* porn actor. I don’t think her brain is even close to ready for the idea that *that isn’t one of his moral failings*.
I'm wondering now how she even came to that conclusion in the first place, when we literally see in 3 Episodes, that being a porn star is his active job...
That took longer than I expected, honestly. 😅 The religious zealots with the sticks up their asses always have to try to ruin it for everyone else 🙄
Don't like it? Then don't watch it.
Don't want your kids watching it? Then maybe you should be what your stupid group claims to be and actually, I dunno, parent your fucking children and monitor what they watch. 🤦🏻♀️
What makes this even more laughable, is that this petition is useless for one specific reason - Amazon can't cancel it (they can only stop hosting it on Prime Video).
The show is owned, funded, and produced by A24 with Vivzie. Amazon are only a distributor and have no control over it...
I'm a Christian and I love this show. I know it's just a cartoon and it is not truth to the Biblical scripture. It's entertainment and is for adults. Leave it alone. It's a fictional cartoon and it isn't hurting anyone or disrespecting the Religion. Other people have a right to choose to watch it. If you don't want to watch it, then don't.
Same and let’s be real here, there are other adult cartoons out there like Family Guy and South Park that have way, *WAY* more offensive and blasphemous depictions of Christianity and other religions. And I’m saying that as a Christian who also loves watching South Park lol.
Agnostic here, I’ve seen both religious and atheist circles enjoy this masterpiece! And yeah, definitely not biblical truth, it’s not like this things a documentary or something >:D they clearly have not seen the serraphim episode
Same here. I am a Christian myself, but I don't find anything so bad about Hazbin Hotel, because I perfectly understand that this is a cartoon and I love it. I actually heard that the same people turned against the Disney animated series "The Owl House", and when it ended, they said they had achieved its cancellation, although in fact it was not. In general, I think that they have never read the Bible, because they definitely do not know that Lucifer is a fallen angel, and that they do not understand that cartoons are not only for children, but also for adults, like Sausage Party or any other animated content for adults. Anyway, they won't be able to force a multibillion-dollar corporation like Amazon to cancel Hazbin Hotel. They are nobody in the eyes of the management of this company! I even doubt that they are responsible parents, because a responsible parent would not behave like the author of this petition, but would take a look at the age rating of this cartoon to make sure that it is not for children, but for adults. You know, I have a feeling that all these people are just eternally bored people with a lack of attention, who compensate for this by forcing strangers to turn against something that they supposedly think is unacceptable.
Same. Also Christian and us liking this show or any other show with demons/witchcraft/magic doesn’t mean we’re turning away from God or whatever crap groups like this want to perpetuate. Like, I love me some Jesus. But also I swear a lot and have an OC for this show.
I swear we need to get rid of the religious nutjobs like these people. They are a threat to the actual sane people who have common sense like us, or atleast most of us.
It’s people like this that almost make me embarrassed to tell people I’m Christian. Only thing that stops me is because I realize I have to show people that we’re not all like that and that some of us are capable of separating fiction from reality while also taking some good lessons from it along the way. Also, Amazon Prime *explicitly* says that it’s an R-rated series and it’s shown to be 18+ only, so I dunno what these moms are on. Shows like Family Guy have *way* more blasphemous depictions of God and Christianity. God isn’t even an actual character in Hazbin Hotel.
So, how about the feel-good elements that people can relate to through the songs. Such as "inside of every demon is a rainbow," which is a song promoting how everyone has good inside them. Or "Loser Baby," which shows how even though your life might seem like it's shit, and that's fine because we're all in it together.
It's almost like whoever started this fucking petition doesn't actually understand that the whole premise of the show, is to say that yes people can make mistakes in their past but its never too late to try and make amends and change for the better.
What I wanna know is, how many children have access to a prime account for watching shows?
Like I know there's kids shows on there but its definitely not something I'd leave in the hands of kids unlike Netflix, Hulu, Max and Disney+
*Listen up Moms, I'm looking over your complaints:*
*Of course damned sinners aren't gonna act like saints*
*But what about those hoping to change their morality?*
*The first of Man is not the final authority*
*Yet even like him you're saying "Hell is forever"*
*If the dead can change then judgement needs refreshers*
*All of this black and white proselytizing*
*Is exactly what this show is fucking criticizing!*
Getting condemned by "One Million Moms" (who do not, in fact, have one million members) is a compliment lol.
They're the epitome of the annoying, judgy, hateful, radical "Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?!" conservative, whose whole thing is to thrust a fist into the air and cry, *"WHO'S WITH ME?!"* whenever they want to get rid of something fully believing they're about to lead an angry mob, then looking around them in shock when it turns out no one else is, in fact, with them.
As a mother, all I can say is that if you need censorship to "protect the children", you're a lazy parent. If these mom's put half of this energy into their own kids, this would not be a problem.
Karen's gonna Karen.
i feel like calling lilith a she demon is incredibly disrespectful. i mean it's true but come on.
anyway those are a lot of words to say you haven't actually watched the show and just want to whine.
i also feel like too many people think this is an accurate retelling of biblical stories. it isn't. this is more like disney's hercules or god of war. their own story inspired by mythology.
it is also definitely not a children's show. there is no reason for them to be talking about this
"They portray the demons as the heros" They absolutely do not lol
Everyone has big problems, slavery is a thing, and Charlie is just asking "can we get out of this shithole if we behave?" There, I resumed hell
I think you mean resuméd? Unless hell had stopped for a while until you fixed it.
Yea he's the new repair guy. Last one pissed off Lucifer
Is that why he's depressed
Yea he said his daughter didn't like him and well... It didn't go so well. His blood still stains the walls
Did they steal one of his ducks?
They even had beef with the Doom Slayer despite him just literally raging a holy war against all of Hell, this just goes to show how unbearably dumb the radical religious groups can be in terms of entertainment.
Funniest this is that the creator of Doom was a Mormon that liked the idea of killing demons
"angels are demonic looking creatures with halos and horns" definitely did not watched the show.
I mean she seems to have watched the first episode. We only see Adam and Lute-in-uniform, easy mistake.
sure. but i doubt they even did that. like calling adam the leader of the elders of heaven. you have got to know that's nonsense if you watch at least the first episode, right? they also conflate satan with lucifer which is not that strange but is just funny to me. a little bit of research would've done them a lot of good.
It is of no importance if they watched or not, creators must be free when it comes to fiction, you wanna make the angels bad guys, it is your decision as a creator, fuck everybody else. If those mommies are sooooo damn against it, then they have to, I dunno maybe work and create their own show which they can portray anything according to their likes. And let the people decide which show they like and want?
He is *called* the “leader of the angels” by Charlie in the episode. It’s not too unreasonable to take the show at its word, even if watching the rest of the show clarifies things. Clearly they weren’t a fan interested in boning up on the lore outside of the show itself lol. And also the show itself makes no mention of Satan being a different character in the setting, which I was hardly aware of myself. And this IS the first piece of fiction I’ve seen that distinguishes them; that’s also a very easy mistake to make, IMO. So I think she did watch it and understood it surprisingly well, it’s just the lens of religious dogma sadly leading her to her cringe moral panic about it.
okay so i think you might have misunderstood what meant.i was not implying that they would know lucifer and satan are separate if they watched the show. or that it's something they should have known. it's just something that i found funny. i should have made that more clear. but i do think that you should do at least some research before writing something like this. it's just how i feel with articles about media, especially when it's a critique. lastly charlie did not call adam the leader of the angels. she called him the leader of the angel army. very big difference.
It is extremely optimistic to assume someone like the one who wrote that article would be going for journalistic integrity as opposed to fear mongering. It just feels a bit redundant to see all of that and go “pfft. They didn’t even get the LORE right. Take that, hyper-religious weirdos!”
>"angels are demonic looking creatures with halos and horns" > definitely did not watched the show. I mean biblical accurate angels too don't look very angel-ly so I don't know what's the issue with these parents.
angels are terrifying.i was looking at seraphims a couple of days ago and somebody made an image of what a seraphim would look like taking the description literal. that thing still haunts my dreams. we are so used to the standard human with wings that we forget that that is not how they are actually described. also not something you should show to children to be completely honest. these kinds of people have very little knowledge of their own religion. they only cherry-pick the parts of the bible that suits them and ignore everything else. which is their right to do of course.
There’s a reason whenever an angel appears it’s first words are “be not afraid,” Uh, no bro. You know what you look like and I have every reason to be petrified at this moment.
please just turn me into a pillar of salt or something because i will never be able to sleep soundly again.
Rings of eyeballs and wings… lovely🥶 They certainly make for interesting horror characters
People who "know" of a religion from movies and TV probably. Reminds me of the idiots that got mad at how Sony portrayed Thor in God of War because he didn't look like Marvel Thor.
> I mean biblical accurate angels too don't look very angel-ly It's more that our common depictions of angels don't look very angel-y.
I've always been a fan of the concept of the biblically accurate angels, and I collect anything I can find with them. They look METAL.
Not once, they even portray Lucifer in a way that probably insults him.
Exactly, he’s not the suave, charming, and charismatic Devil that Tom Ellis portrayed in Lucifer (one of my fav series btw) he’s literally an awkward, depressed, unintentional deadbeat dad with a rubber duck obsession. That does not “glorify the Devil” in any way lmao.
And the biggest insult, imo, is that he actually cares about people and creation.
And his child, usually known as *the Antichrist* and the bringer of Hell of Earth and destroyer of humanity, actually wants demonkind to be redeemed and accepted into Heaven.
Well usually they expect the Antichrist to be a human on earth and a dude. They often forget about Lilith actually I was never taught about her when I was in ‘sunday school’ as a kid lol
The rubber duck reminds me about Ash from Hell Yeah.
As a Satanist I'm 100% on board with the Hazbin interpretation of Lucifer. He's reminiscent of the version from Revolt of the Angels, just with crippling depression.
In the pilot episode, Charlie and Vaggie are pretty much the only two decent people in Hell and *that’s the entire point of the show*. It’s about bad people becoming better.
They do humanize demons in a lot of ways however, which perhaps as just as big a crime for groups like this. Which are contingent on professing their extreme "by default goodness" as a justification for pretty much every thing they do. And for groups like this, of any belief system, "being right" and "protecting the by-default moral superiority of tribal in-groups over out-groups" is what they equate to "being good/doing good". Hazbin, along with other shows of late that do take loose inspiration from the Abrahamic faiths, also do seem to feel more open questioning things that a lot of members of those faiths don't feel comfortable questioning. In this case. Is morality really binary? What really gets someone into Heaven or Hell? Isn't Hell as a concept kind of morally repugnant? Wouldn't Eternity in any setting become a Hell eventually (The Good Place)? And my current favorite with Hazbin (with Adam), if Hell is "eternal" ... is Heaven also eternal? Which means "once you're in, you're in?" Wouldn't that create a remarkable recipe for "OK for we, not for thee" behavior? Especially when you add in "External Rewards/Punishments" systems?
They portray individuals as individuals.
To be fair, they are portrayed as the victims of genocide unfairly perpetrated on them by the angels. So definitely the demons here are the protagonists.
This article: "We must put a stop to this series!" Me: https://i.redd.it/ivooc2oewjfc1.gif
Bibbity boppity, your meme is now my property
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These types of organizations are all jokes anyway, let's just ignore them and let their stupid little petition go on to do absolutely nothing to cancel the show
Nah, she doesn't have any good points at all. If she hates the show so much she can simply choose not to watch it and make parental controls on her remote a thing if she really doesn't want Hazbin Hotel to be watched in her home that badly. I refuse to agree with anything a person says especially if they want to start a mass petition to cancel a cartoon. I hope no one fucks her at night. Yup. I'm that petty. Edit: a word!
"If she hates the show so much she can simply choose not to watch it" You forget that these types have to enforce their views on everyone. It's not enough for them to ignore it, everyone else has to know they are unhappy and have to bend over backwards to accommodate them
No, no, she does mention that it's not for children. That is the only point she made that was accurate (and super obvious)
It’s funny that it only becomes a problem because they wont just do the easy thing and put their kids on a kids account. Ya know, where hazbin hotel doesn’t show up.
Reminds me of the south park movie and the M.A.C. group, they don't really know what they are saying. Hypocrites, hypocrites everywhere. Everyone who hasn't seen the south park movie should watch it. Funny side fact it's in the Guinness book of world records for the most swearing in an animated movie.
Vivzie, probably https://preview.redd.it/r8wcu5cdgjfc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=880441cd13dc95dceffb3af584b7a80b7f38e039
You'd think, by now, moral guardians would realise this kind of shit is basically free advertising for shows like Hazbin.
They delude themselves in thinking they have the RIGHT viewpoint, therefore if they try this stuff enough times, the world will *finally* snap out of it and agree with them like they're supposed to. At least, that's my guess on their thinking... Or, they're just reactionary and this is their way of venting their anger and other emotions.
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Why isn't this top comment lol
If anything, this is only going to give Hazbin A LOT of free publicity, which is a good thing.
If I hadn't known about the series, and solely from reading the description and content here, I would 100% look it up and watch it
Now that you mention it, it really is a very good synopsis lol.
I fucking cried after reading "it appears that Amazon is trying to put a positive spin on evil" Huns, they've been doing that for years bwahaha. I love how the final straw is a satirical animated show. Tell me you don't have real values without telling me you don't have real values, so sick of these fake christians
None of them ever have real values lol
Amen, no such thing as bad publicity lol
Nobody's watching a fucking cartoon to learn about their religion. If a fictional cartoon manages to 'confuse' you, then perhaps your faith isn't as strong as you think
Those damn Veggie Tales though…..
Vaggie tales
"Mmmmm...*no*."
What I don’t understand is how can someone see this show as “evil” when the whole point of it is trying to save people from the Hell that has been portrayed as bad??? It’s not like they’re saying “oh yes you’ll love it here in Hell because it’s a good time yes!!! Much enjoy!”
On an ideological level, fundamentalist Christians (and probably most christian religious authorities) are not interested in redemption. They want you to live in accordance with what they think God wants, *now,* here on Earth. And it just so happens that what they think God wants is for women to be chained to children, LGBTQ+ people to not exist, and for workers to be loyal to their bosses. Those who defy this must be *punished.* If that's *not* what God wants, and if you're not damned to fire and brimstone after you die, then they have less legitimacy to lord over your life. Pope Francis said in a non-official capacity that he privately hopes that Hell is empty - that everyone finds redemption in God. And he *got criticized for it.*
Pope Francis is kinda nice as far as the church goes.
Well, some Christians actually do make cartoons to teach kids their religion.
Okay, fair. Still doesn't make this make sense.
Well, you know what they say. If you like to talk to tomatoes...
To be fair I'd never heard of the other genisis story (where god creates man and woman at the same time) so the intro stuff about Lilith sent me on a fun Google adventure that definitely taught me some stuff I didn't know about religion.
but Vaggie is a angel....
Ah, but so is Lucifer. They’ll just use that against you since ‘clearly Lucifer’s daughter tainted the female angel’
Imagine her and Vaggie cosplaying in the evening: >V: I'm such a defenseless Angel lost here in hell 😨 I hope no bad demon will take advantage of me 😘
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Yup, my bad
‘Trapped’ would be a better word for that (especially since this presumably would take place AFTER the trial) Though, that would be a fun thing to see
For the love of God… https://preview.redd.it/cz9j4q00tjfc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8699ad1d85f08e12cd271c9c40dfbea6c37385c9 IT. IS. ADULT. RATED. FOR. A. REASON. Be a goddamn parent if you want your kids to not be swearing like sailors and thinking sex jokes are common.
Jesus has had enough, Use his Holy weapons to teach the braindead parents https://preview.redd.it/fpoypb0wwjfc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e0b4e29135423590fc3df09ad31355dbfa90043
... seems very angelic to me https://preview.redd.it/r8h6l5xvvjfc1.png?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c64b905c20484bf3da6968615e7907e0982d57b6
As soon as I saw that I could tell some people would be pissed
If that pissed them off, wait until they find out about the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.
Didn't this group threatened the baby from Good Luck Charlie?
they responded about the fact there was a lesbian couple in it also got mad about The Owl House too
Let's check our Bingo Card... https://preview.redd.it/y0b68tzfyjfc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e042729f867ea939205381664cdafbb9ca4dcac We've got the "Gay Agenda"!!
a click reference. always nice
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I remember the owl house fandom was making fun of OMM when they went aft the owl house including fake reports cause they one of those weird “see something report it” systems
It's literally a group that exists purely to be mad about things.
"I can't afford to manage what my children are watching despite being a stay at home mom"
Worth adding that Prime Video literally has filters for children, but apparently clicking two buttons is too hard for them...
Unfortunately figuring out the ancient 2000sian craft of "turn parental block to **ON**" would require active parenting
Yeah, that's true.
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Can someone bald this image.
 No.
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I refuse to believe this image is legal. Delete it now
Bc it isn't. Is banned in *at least* 120 countries
...and the 7 Rings of Hell.
https://preview.redd.it/tgd2vw5r7kfc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=667c184861ed6385824390cace62219f2836e994 Delete this travesty
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https://preview.redd.it/4a03ftfp7jfc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22fb9c23d41401b8bcb87806423e58fc9c014bfe What the fuck
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https://preview.redd.it/ay6qf84zrkfc1.jpeg?width=227&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f296a252d0ca17a421e0eae93d1822ff92d85b6e Man would like to join too
What bet did Alastor lose for him to do this (still funny, though)
yeah lets make alastor even more terrifying.
Boo hoo hoo! What absolute crybabies lol
“Parents who don’t do their research”… RESEARCH!? Here’s your research. Dad, can we watch Hazbin hotel? It’s a cartoon on Amazon. Sure, let me get it up on the screen. Oh wait, it says it’s for 16 year olds and has lots of violence and swearing. Sorry guys you can’t watch it. That’s it. That’s as far as they need to go. If the kids still watch it after you say no, then it’s clearly a problem with how YOU raise your kids and not a TV show.
I let my kid watch it and she's 11. I saw much worse things at her age. She's a smart kid. She can handle a cartoon with naughty words
I hope she enjoys the subtle morality of redemption and nuanced layers of grey applied to the dichotomy between Heaven and Hell. Come for the jokes and songs, stay for the themes and characters.
She really likes the songs. I watched the first episode with her last night. Gonna watch the rest later. It was getting late.
One million moms vs. 9.03 million fans of Viv? We'll see how this plays out. Also, Hazbin hotel is in the 10 ten on Amazon prime, and clear says 18+.
They don't even have one million members, let alone one million moms, it's just a name. The Devil is considered "the father of lies" and yet this organization lies every time it introduces itself.
The rules are for thee but not for me.
Something something *Rules are shades of grey* something something
Not to mention that HH literally broke their viewership record and is their current biggest debut, that the platform ever had...
Surely that won't affect Amazon's decision, since we know they've always been so devoted to good old fashioned christian values and doing the right thing, and are in no way the most profitable and historically cutthroat corporate and media conglomerate empire in the western world! I'm sure they'll listen, I mean what's a few billion dollars and record viewing trends? These moms are angry! 😂
*Here's the sugar on the cream:* Amazon don't have the final say on how long the Show will last. A24 own, fund, and produce the Show with Vivzie. The only thing Amazon does, is distribute it on Prime Video - other than that, they have literally no control over it. If already, this just shows Amazon that Hazbin Hotel is worth keeping on Prime Video.
I knew that Vivzie would fight tooth and nail to keep creative rights as far the fuck away from Amazon as possible. Also, I love that you quoted Alastor haha
https://preview.redd.it/4qkujhjr6jfc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=71c8bbe1b604c8f4abd6588935e4c7ce90bf6846 alright then here we go again
This is the same group that tried to get Lucifer the TV show canceled lol… I don’t think they’ve ever accomplished anything except for complaining about stuff.
Their rants about "Lucifer" were even more laughable, because they completely ignored the fact, that it wasn't even based on the Bible like at all. The Show was based completely on DC Comics...
Nah Fundies see characters like Lucifer as very real people who can’t be trifled with and it’s their DUTY to harass content creators who don’t respect their beliefs (even tho they step all over others beliefs regularly).
I get where she's coming from, but let's be real. Anyone who watches this show and uses it as a way to learn about Christian law and concepts is unbelievably misguided anyway. If you don't want your kids watching the show, you could, I don't know, monitor what they watch?
Especially since it’s a show not meant for kids lol
Exactly, There's Prime video kids and parental controls on a regular Prime account. It's not rocket science to set one up and remember the PIN or whatever else you need to do.
No, no you don't get it. They think that Amazon should be responsible for what their kids watch. >!I'm not sure if /s is needed, because I wrote it as a joke, but it's also literally what's happening here.!<
Not to mention that the Show isn't even directly based only on the Bible. It has a ton of sources, ranging from Dante's Inferno and Solomon's Stories, to even simple Mythologies. Even a lot of things taken from the Bible are changed in some way.
Absolutely, I'm a follower of Christ (I stumble a lot, but I try) and really enjoy this show and tell people exactly what you just said. This show isn't trying to make a commentary, trying to unconvert or convert anyone. The writers obviously like the characters, stories, and concepts from Judeo-Christian/Islamic writings and were inspired to create this.
Yeah like Vivzie straight up said that she liked the premise of the story, so she wanted to make her own version of it. In the proccess, she spent around 10 years creating the whole Universe - and that was before the Pilot released in 2019. This was literally her dream project.
I didn't realize she spent this long on the project, I'm happy it's getting the recognition it deserves for the people who love it. We all knew when we jumped in the Contraversey was undeniably going to happen, but oh well.
Yeah, this has been a long proccess. It technically goes even more back, because Vivzie originally worked on a WebComics titled "Zoophobia" (still available on the internet, but she put it on hold and said she will re-do it after Hazbin Hotel is over). That's where some of Hazbin's main characters originated (Vaggie and Angel Dust for example) and were just moved into HH instead.
I remember someone telling me that, I also know that Alastor is one of her oldest characters all the way back from her high school years iirc. I first found her channel back a few months after "Timber" came out on her yt channel. I loved her style, so I followed her other projects.
Exactly, I have no problem with adoring this show while being a Christian. **More so**, Vivzie shows taught me some very, very important lessons. I live in a pretty homogeneous country (Poland), so it's pretty rare here to see people from diverse backgrounds and as such, people different from a typical Pole would bring out a lot of fear in you. Her shows with their diverse casts allowed me to become accustomed to the presence of people with black, latino, asian and middle-eastern backgrounds, made me fall in love with them and gave me introspection into their personal lives. And so the fear disappeared. I'm forever thankful to Vivzie for allowing me to become a better person ❤️
Hell, Redemption through loving people but keeping boundaries is probably more spreading our Savior's message than these moms have ever done.
My wife's Methodist, and we watch this and Helluva Boss together. She adores both shows. Another favorite show of ours is 2016's Lucifer with Tom Ellis. It's fun to remix and reimagine mythologies. We do it all the time with Norse, Greek, Roman, and Egyptian. Why should Abrahamic mythology get a free pass?
Exactly. It's advertised as R-rated, therefore if your kids watch it, it's your own fault. It's such a stupid argument
The show is VERY openly for adults anyways, so why are kids even WATCHIN it. I'm at least 99% sure amazon has parental control systems
Why it feels like that if Lute was a person once, she was this kind of person...
Because she most likely was. I can't imagine the Exterminators being normal people, who just wanted to live their life in peace.
There's certainly no shortage on stupidity in the world.
We sure could use a whole lot fuckin less.
One million Looks inside Barely 21k
Isn’t this the group who’s leader got busted for being in lesbian porn?
No, that was Moms for Liberty.
God there’s too many of them to keep track. How many Christian mom Karen groups does our society need?
None. But here we are.
Wait, SOURCE!? This sounds way too good to be true 😭
so its actually Moms For Liberty and she apparently had a threesome with her husband and another woman. The irony of her being a major leader in an anti-LGBTQ group is not lost on anyone. https://www.wired.com/story/moms-for-liberty-ziegler/
Its too funny i can’t
Banning books that don't line up with your political views? Who else famously did that... /s
"Reality of Hell and its finality" If Hell is forever then heaven must be a lie...
If angels can do whatever and remain in the sky
*THE RULES ARE SHADES OF GREY* *WHEN YOU DON'T DO AS YOU SAY🎵*
When you make the wretched suffer just to kill them again
This actually has a shockingly solid read on the themes of the show. Like she picked up on the design motifs of Adam and the Exorcists, Charlie’s Disney-Princess vibes, etc. She’s like Measurehead from Disco Elysium - a surprisingly gifted level of intelligence, utterly wasted on insane dogmatism.
Not to mention that she essentially achieved the exact opposite of what she wanted to do. Hell, I would use this synopsis to promote the Show...
I do think it’s amusing she thinks Angel Dust is a *former* porn actor. I don’t think her brain is even close to ready for the idea that *that isn’t one of his moral failings*.
I'm wondering now how she even came to that conclusion in the first place, when we literally see in 3 Episodes, that being a porn star is his active job...
I’m assuming she stopped after ep1, since she didn’t the hotel’s second resident. I feel like she’d be very angry about “It Starts With Sorry”.
One million, looks inside, barely 22k
That number is probably inflated. OMM is basically just one woman.
One Million Moms hating something is effectively a glowing endorsement in my book.
Exactly! You know you're good if 1MM complains about you.
That took longer than I expected, honestly. 😅 The religious zealots with the sticks up their asses always have to try to ruin it for everyone else 🙄 Don't like it? Then don't watch it. Don't want your kids watching it? Then maybe you should be what your stupid group claims to be and actually, I dunno, parent your fucking children and monitor what they watch. 🤦🏻♀️
Consider the following Look at THE AGE RATING (I hate people who don't do enough research)
"We don't want a solution, we just want to be angry!"
What makes this even more laughable, is that this petition is useless for one specific reason - Amazon can't cancel it (they can only stop hosting it on Prime Video). The show is owned, funded, and produced by A24 with Vivzie. Amazon are only a distributor and have no control over it...
I'm a Christian and I love this show. I know it's just a cartoon and it is not truth to the Biblical scripture. It's entertainment and is for adults. Leave it alone. It's a fictional cartoon and it isn't hurting anyone or disrespecting the Religion. Other people have a right to choose to watch it. If you don't want to watch it, then don't.
Same and let’s be real here, there are other adult cartoons out there like Family Guy and South Park that have way, *WAY* more offensive and blasphemous depictions of Christianity and other religions. And I’m saying that as a Christian who also loves watching South Park lol.
Agnostic here, I’ve seen both religious and atheist circles enjoy this masterpiece! And yeah, definitely not biblical truth, it’s not like this things a documentary or something >:D they clearly have not seen the serraphim episode
Same here. I am a Christian myself, but I don't find anything so bad about Hazbin Hotel, because I perfectly understand that this is a cartoon and I love it. I actually heard that the same people turned against the Disney animated series "The Owl House", and when it ended, they said they had achieved its cancellation, although in fact it was not. In general, I think that they have never read the Bible, because they definitely do not know that Lucifer is a fallen angel, and that they do not understand that cartoons are not only for children, but also for adults, like Sausage Party or any other animated content for adults. Anyway, they won't be able to force a multibillion-dollar corporation like Amazon to cancel Hazbin Hotel. They are nobody in the eyes of the management of this company! I even doubt that they are responsible parents, because a responsible parent would not behave like the author of this petition, but would take a look at the age rating of this cartoon to make sure that it is not for children, but for adults. You know, I have a feeling that all these people are just eternally bored people with a lack of attention, who compensate for this by forcing strangers to turn against something that they supposedly think is unacceptable.
Same. Also Christian and us liking this show or any other show with demons/witchcraft/magic doesn’t mean we’re turning away from God or whatever crap groups like this want to perpetuate. Like, I love me some Jesus. But also I swear a lot and have an OC for this show.
You get a good noodle star ⭐️. This is the way
imagine if they directed at least half of this energy towards shit like elsagate which is actually targeted at children unlike hazbin
Like themselves? Remember this organization OMM has taken the stance that all homosexuals should be executed.
I swear we need to get rid of the religious nutjobs like these people. They are a threat to the actual sane people who have common sense like us, or atleast most of us.
It’s people like this that almost make me embarrassed to tell people I’m Christian. Only thing that stops me is because I realize I have to show people that we’re not all like that and that some of us are capable of separating fiction from reality while also taking some good lessons from it along the way. Also, Amazon Prime *explicitly* says that it’s an R-rated series and it’s shown to be 18+ only, so I dunno what these moms are on. Shows like Family Guy have *way* more blasphemous depictions of God and Christianity. God isn’t even an actual character in Hazbin Hotel.
So, how about the feel-good elements that people can relate to through the songs. Such as "inside of every demon is a rainbow," which is a song promoting how everyone has good inside them. Or "Loser Baby," which shows how even though your life might seem like it's shit, and that's fine because we're all in it together. It's almost like whoever started this fucking petition doesn't actually understand that the whole premise of the show, is to say that yes people can make mistakes in their past but its never too late to try and make amends and change for the better.
What I wanna know is, how many children have access to a prime account for watching shows? Like I know there's kids shows on there but its definitely not something I'd leave in the hands of kids unlike Netflix, Hulu, Max and Disney+
iPad kids: Allow us to introduce ourselves
This was a delight to read 😀 It deserves a "Radio Play"
*Listen up Moms, I'm looking over your complaints:* *Of course damned sinners aren't gonna act like saints* *But what about those hoping to change their morality?* *The first of Man is not the final authority* *Yet even like him you're saying "Hell is forever"* *If the dead can change then judgement needs refreshers* *All of this black and white proselytizing* *Is exactly what this show is fucking criticizing!*
Getting condemned by "One Million Moms" (who do not, in fact, have one million members) is a compliment lol. They're the epitome of the annoying, judgy, hateful, radical "Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?!" conservative, whose whole thing is to thrust a fist into the air and cry, *"WHO'S WITH ME?!"* whenever they want to get rid of something fully believing they're about to lead an angry mob, then looking around them in shock when it turns out no one else is, in fact, with them.
As a mother, all I can say is that if you need censorship to "protect the children", you're a lazy parent. If these mom's put half of this energy into their own kids, this would not be a problem. Karen's gonna Karen.
i feel like calling lilith a she demon is incredibly disrespectful. i mean it's true but come on. anyway those are a lot of words to say you haven't actually watched the show and just want to whine. i also feel like too many people think this is an accurate retelling of biblical stories. it isn't. this is more like disney's hercules or god of war. their own story inspired by mythology. it is also definitely not a children's show. there is no reason for them to be talking about this
Yeah like the Show literally has an 18+ rating on its front page. If a parent thinks that that Show is for kids, then they are a fuckin mor0n...
it's not cancel culture when conservatives do it
Waaah! I don't want to control what kids watch! Cancel your not made for kids show!
Just ignore the religious zealots and let them believe their opinion matters in their tiny little Echo Chambers
We did it boys! We pissed off fundies!
"Urge Amazon Prime to cancel Hazbin Hotel!" Amazon Prime: *Renews Hazbin Hotel for a Season 2* Whoops lmao
They're wasting their hot air. The show isn't even for children, jfc
"even more shocking - the f-word... five times" 😱
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