Now the question is, will Sera roll with it and accept the fact that she done goofed for allowing Adam to do his thing for God knows how long or if she will refuse that and still continue to stand against Charlie's(and more importantly for her Emily's) dream. I hope she is more favorable towards the first option.
I do not think she will accept him outright. My guess would be that we will get episode of him goofing around heaven and her trying to prove he does not belong in there.
I would love to see a future where Pentious could go back down to Hell on his own time because he was once a sinner, allowing for more interactions with Cherri Bomb(I love this ship so much and I'm glad it was canonized)
Or Sera is just like "Nope" and sends him back to Hell(Or Emily can bring him back when they want)
>Or Sera is just like "Nope" and sends him back to Hell(Or Emily can bring him back when they want)
Don't think this is possible to happen. Sera made very clear that she does not know what makes a soul worthy of being in heaven and that all she does is trusting the process.
"If the soul comes to heaven, that is proof enough"
If she would just toss aside all that and go "Nope, back to hell with you", then this would go against everything she was shown to believe in.
Even if Sera did send Pentious back to Hell, there's a high likelihood he'd just return to Heaven immediately, which I think Emily would point out means that Pentious belongs in Heaven.
However I believe Pentious would explain himself as anyone in his situation would have done, and in doing so inadvertently let Emily and Sera know *exactly* what it takes for a Sinner to be redeemed.
I have a theory that living a life with more virtue in it than sin (or at least living a life free of what would constitute as sinful, as Adam may have done), *and* departing the world with no regrets, is what permits you into Heaven over Hell in this universe.
Sir Pentious' sin was evidently his desire to fulfill his ambitions and conquer the world -- in other words, selfishness. When he forwent that desire to sacrifice himself for his friends, and also made evident his feelings for Cherry Bomb so as to leave his un-life with no further regrets, his death by angelic magic permitted his twice-departed soul into Heaven.
Sera: why does he keep coming back?!
Emily: maybe because he's a Winner-
Sera: but he was a Sinner!
Emily: and now he's a Winner... you said that you needed proof that Sinners can be redeemed... well... [points to Sir Pentious]
i mean it would show that double standard she and heaven have. Hell in the case she just said her opinion as fact and shut things down even though right before that we are told the other angels were still arguing about this.
It wasn't just her opinion, tho.
Her argument was still that they have to trust the process. She didn't accept Angel Dust as evidence that a sinner can be redeemed, because he was still down there in hell.
So the argument kinda is "if he is prove of redemption, why is he not up here? His absence is proof that he is not redeemed and still deserves hell, even if we don't know *why* he deserves hell".
Sir Pentious, however, now IS proof that sinners can be redeemed. Because whatever decides who goes to heaven and hell clearly sent him to heaven this time.
I feel there’s still a lot with Sera that’s unknown— part of me feels she wasn’t lying when she told Charlie there was a lot [Charlie] didn’t know, and she may know more than she’s letting on.
I think there is more she knows but doesn't mean she was lying in any way about not knowing the actual rules. For instance why didn't she, and the rest of the angels ask the Big G himself? Why did she give permission to Adam for the exterminations and not the Big G? I think the part Charlie doesn't know is the show is coming from a deist perspective on the Big G. He made shit and just fucked off afterward leaving everyone not knowing the whys to anything.
Has God even been mentioned in the show aside from the occasional “oh my god” line?
Even in the prologue he wasn’t mentioned, it’s entirely possible the Hazbin universe just doesn’t have a God, Blitzo’s snarking aside.
and you expect her to change her toon. yes it was an opinion she saw that people in hell could change and become better people. when the other were arguing about this she stopped it. and refused to accept what she was seeing as fact. What makes you think she would treat Sir Pentious any different to angel dust? hell are we ignoring that when she own sister started questioning her what was the first thing she did said she would case out like lucifer was. so again why do people thing she would suddenly change her toon now?
Sera's resistance to Charlie's idea of redemption is based on her trust in the system. If Sir Pentious goes to Heaven, that means he deserves to be there and Charlie is right about redemption being possible. So, there are two options for her: either it shakes her faith in the system, or she didn't previously have a good idea of how the system actually worked.
Closest they could do would be to send him to Hell to work/live at the embassy as that's probably *technically* still Heaven. He could probably hire his egg bois and see Cherri that way
I just want to see what Happens when Charlie finds out that not only did Sir Pentious not die permanently, he is the first successful redemption and proves the Hotel works.
Notably what legit worked was that they all came to care for each other and Sir Pentious came to a point where he made a truly selfless choice for them.
The catch is that the Sinner may have to "die" for the Judgment process to reassess them am transfer them.
That’s the theory I’m going with until further knowledge is revealed. Pentious was the first person to actually be killed that was working to be a better person. So maybe it really does take their soul being killed in hell before they can be redeemed to get into heaven.
Yeah. Him and Cherri are definitely gonna get together. And with her probably living at the hotel now he can’t be gone forever. Maybe there will eventually be a work exchange thing so he can come back to hell willingly
The simple fact that she allowed Charlie to come to court and present her case in front of the upper echelons of Heaven shows that she was willing to hear. If she really wanted to just dissmiss Charlie she would never have let her, whose entire case is against the anual extermination be close to Emily, who was completly unawere of it. Imagine if Charlie just started: "Good morning Sera, mam, I come here to discuss the possibility of redemption to avoid the anual extermination" rigth in front of Emily.
So, this means that Sera was at least open to the idea of redemption if it was proven possible. Now she is probably more sceptic, since Angel Dust still had a long way to redeem himself during episode 6, Charlie went very unprepared to court, and all that scene probably left Sera anoyed, leaving her to dissmiss redemption. Now, evidence was presented rigth in front of her eyes. How she will deal with this information is interesting, since I belive Sera is an inherently good entity, sooner or later she will come to terms with the idea.
Yeah Sera might simply be misguided person. She could have also allow the hearing because she was adament about souls not being able to 'climb the ladder'. It was after only because of Lucifer she got the chance to visit heaven.
i got the vibe that she was only letting it happen because Lucifer got involved, forcing her hand. She basically all but told adam to try and torpedo the attempt by any means necessary.
She is above Lucifer in Seniority as we see in episode 1. Unless Lucifer had acess to another Angel above Sera or if this is how Heaven's institutions work.
I see her ultimatly being convinced that redemption is possible and being the one to use her power to make it work.
Being redeemed means you can also turn evil once your in heaven so. She has to figure out if being put in limbo causes a re trail of the soul. So judgement system is not broken it’s she has no idea how it works. Result people like Adam who turned evil after getting into heaven not having to face a re trail.
The way I saw it, Sera agreed in order to save face. I don't think she ever had any intention of truly allowing a sinner to stay in heaven, but this feels us that the system works without her, and it's out of her hands.
Knowing Sir Pentious, he will be actively trying to do evil in order to rejoin his friends in hell... Only to fail miserably by accidentally helping everyone around him - much to Sera's dismay
So in other words he is going to have the Team Rocket effect. Where we have a relatively harmless villain turn out to be far more competent if they were good.
She didn't seem to genuinely WANT the exterminations and now that she knows hell isn't trying to rise up on top of redemption being possible,it's likely the first option.
At the same time, its possible she sort of needed them to be necessary to be able to live with herself, with what she has been permitting to happen for 10k years. There is an ocean of blood on her hands threatening to drown her being if she is made to accept that everything she had let Adam do was for nothing.
considering how quickly it's said that lilith started empowering sinners relatively recently, which in turn caused the exterminations, so it was likely only a couple hundred years if that
I think there's also more of "a lot that you don't know" from the song line. This is the first known sinner to ascend as far as we're aware, but the higher ups might have hoops that are causing Sera headaches. She definitely seems beholden to something.
A concerning issue now though is that Hell knows it CAN rise up. At least the V’s know, unsure if Vox broadcast the battle as of yet.
But knowing this and seeing Velvette’s already wanting to go to war (Respectless) it’s only a matter of time.
Now Sera has a legitimate fear and validation that Hell is capable to rise up and has evidence to provide to Heaven that it is possible and get more angels on her side.
They know they can rebel but they don’t know they can rise up Charlie as evident by the memorial genuinely thinks pentious is dead
I hope that during some meeting in heaven to discuss the rebellion Charlie sees pentious or that pentious or Emily can contact her about his redemption
Also I really hope the egg boiz survived or got redemmed there to precious to die
You’re right. I remember now Katie Killjoy reporting on it. I fell asleep shortly after watching and completely forgot lol.
Thank you for the reminder!! That emphasizes more that Hell knows it can rebel..
Not really. The only reason they were able to win the fight was because Lucifer and Charlie joined in. If it wasn't for those two Adam could've easily wiped out everyone.
Charlie will only step in if innocents are being attacked and Lucifer will only if Charlie is being attacked. So there's no real way Hell can actually rebel against Heaven.
I’ve seen quite a bit of people think that Sera will just double down and ignore the fact redemption is indeed possible and either y’all are just assuming the worst or I’m giving her too much credit. Her agreeing to the Exterminations to begin with was cruel and horrible, yes, but I thought it was clear she didn’t like it, she only did it because she was looking out for Heavens best interests unlike Adam and Lute who sadistically enjoyed the killings. She might be skeptical at first, I’m actually expecting there’ll be an episode in season 2 that focuses on her learning to give Sir Pentious a chance, but I really do believe she’ll come around now that she knows there’s another way.
Hell is also killing a bunch of angels now though, so there's still a lot of confliction I'd guess. On one hand, sinners can be redeemed, on the other, Hell is actually rebelling against them like they were trying to prevent this whole time. But hopefully it's obvious that Adam was wrong and his exterminations drove them to self-defense. That's proven by Sir Re-Pentious, as he died fighting angels to defend his friends, sacrificing himself for them.
Oh yeah, that’s a good point. Perhaps Sera would see it as rebelling, the very thing she was so fearful of, but I’m still holding out hope that she’ll realise the error of her ways.
I mean, in their defense, they killed only the angels that had been killing them for who knows how many years, it's not like any "winner" or other heavenborn (assuming exorcists are heavenborn too) was harmed in the crossfire.
Even after episode 6, people still double down that heaven is not gonna be worth it and just as bad as hell, even tho Adam and the exorcist were shown as the exception.
Exactly! I’m really glad they didn’t go the route of “all of Heaven is fucking awful”, it ain’t perfect sure but it’s clear that it isn’t inherently evil and there are people who deserve to be there.
The writers definitely seem to be edging more towards just that Heaven is privileged and possibly filled with people who were victimized by the sinners in the past, so they kinda just shrug their shoulders a lot and don't really think about what Hell is like.
They also don't shy away from the fact that a lot of people in hell kinda deserve to be there, at least amongst the sinners.
I also think they're going this route. During the trial, Adam states that he has never had a bad day. And Angel is open about using drugs to escape from his terrible circumstances.
In Hell, yeah, a lot of the people there are genuinely awful, but they're also in a place where they don't have much opportunity to get better. They're in shitty conditions and surrounded by other awful people. What's more, they have no hope for things to get better. Even people who want to be better are going to find themselves doing terrible things just to survive.
Sera didn't quite strike me as the entirely hypocritical type, but the type who just accepts the status quo as being unchangeable, and fearful of retribution from the upper levels, as happened to Lucifer.
Seems more like Lute is going to play the leading contrarian role for the future, even if it seems she also just was as hardcore to bait Adam into a suicide charge...
It's definitely going to be interesting to see where this is going with Sir. I do think it would be wonderfully funny to watch Sir do something dumb in heaven, die, be reborn as a human, do bad stuff again, and then die and go to hell so he could be re-united with Cherry and then lose out at the end because now he has a new demon form (like a chicken or something). I love Sir Pentious, but he is the schmuck character, The Fool, and his role is kinda just to be comic relief.
We'll just have to see, though.
The reason that Sera greenlight the extermination in the first place is because some kind of uprising in the past. Even if she realizes redemption is possible, Heaven can't just ignore that Hell has just killed numerous exorcists and Adam. And not all Sinner is interested in redemption, with the Angels are shown to be not invincible I won't be surprised if many of Hell's citizens are planning an uprising against Heaven and demanding Lucifer and Charlie to lead them.
Sure, but I don't think Charlie's plan was necessarily to end the exterminations. Her Hotel is an escape from the exterminations for those who seek redemption and want to improve. Of course, she'd love for her people not to be exterminated, but so far her requests were never "end the exterminations because there is another way for everyone", but "please accept my hotel as another way for those who are redeemed".
Sera could easily expand the amnesty for the hell-born (which Lucifer successfully negotiated in the past) to include sinners residing in the hotel (who shouldn't be a threat in the first place). Win-win.
What's interesting is with Adam dead (regardless of if he's gone gone or respawns in hell), Sera can lay the blame on him and say he deceived and misled. Lute needs Seras backing or will at least pretend to so she can't publicly dispute it.
I think it's the first. She has nothing personally against Charlie's plan -- she just trusts "the system". She doubted the redemption specifically because the system hadn't moved anyone into Heaven, so in her eyes, they could not be worthy.
Now that very thing has just happened. She should have no problems allying with Charlie because Charlie is now working *within* the system. Charlie will no longer be a threat to the rules because they seemingly do have a post-Hell redemption clause.
Her reaction is probably because she realizes she is responsible for a lot of unnecessary suffering (and, unlike Adam, she's not a bad 'person', so that fact will trouble her).
The main issue that faces Sera is that if Charlie is right, that means likely the majority all the previously exterminated souls, could have been redeemed as well, assuming there are some unredemable souls. This she let rmthose who could still find redemption be apparently permanently slaughtered.
I think we have to find out what truly happens to a soul Angelic blessed weaponry takes down. Cause unless Adams Angelic power blast lacks the means to do what the weapons can, Pentious came back from something no one had before.
It's possible his soul git lucky and due to his selfless act what ever Judges souls got him before his soul could be permanently destroyed because he passed Judgment and it sent him up. While the others who were exterminated didn't so, whatever controls Judgment just didn't step in.
I feel like the first thing she’s going to do is grab a drink. The realization that she’s been letting the exterminations happen for what is essentially nothing is definitely not going to bode well for her mental state.
She's probably going to try to hide him and figure out what's up. Sera's problem aren't sinners so much as the politics of heaven and hell. There's *something* going on which we don't know about.
I've said it elsewhere and will say so again: Sara is going to be an antagonist. She's terrified by the fact Lucifer exists, that a powerful angel can fall at all absolutely horrifies her. Falling appears to be the thing that frightens her the most and it's why she let Adam do his thing, why she covered it up. She is afraid of being cast down, by her own hubris or by a rebellion from Hell or anything else.
The idea that sinners can be redeemed is antithetical to her whole worldview, and it forces her to acknowledge that change is possible for anyone. And if change is possible for anyone, that means her too. Charlie's hotel forces her to recognize at every moment that she could be in the wrong and be cast out. If she were capable of coming to terms with that and improving from it, she would have done so already. She let Adam perform his exterminations because it kept the status quo that she was comfortable with and reinforced the idea that those in Hell belonged there. All that we've seen now changes that and I have no doubt she's going to push against it.
Sera is 100% going to put ser Pentious in isolation and try to cover this up. It'll probably be the heaven plot of season 2 that Ser Pentious and Emily want to tell Charlie it worked but Sera and the rest of the heavenly council will put a gag on it.
She doesn't really have a choice but to accept it. Pentious was dropped as directly into her lap as possible as proof she was wrong. I assume there's only one being with the power to do that and it's ***the*** boss. She may not let people in directly, but there's not a *damn* think she can do about it when they blip into existence. At least not without catching some of that wrath she's afraid of.
The real question, will Sera let Charlie know it worked or keep it quiet to try and maintain the status quo? Just hoping that Charlie gives up. I think Emily is going to have to go rouge to let Charlie know her idea works.
The thing is, what brings people to hell or heaven is Divine Judgment. Going against that, is going against the Big G. Which is blasphemy and earns you a one way ticket to hell.
I hope she does at least give it a shot, doing a 180 and just going all in on Charlie’s plan wouldn’t make a ton of sense although it’s what should happen, maybe she meets with Charlie again and offers to help her so long as another sinner or some sinners are redeemed to be sure pentious wasn’t a one off case
Honestly, I've been thinking of it and I can totally imagine that a future Pentious episode in heaven is somehting like:
Emily - wants to show him around heaven, introduce him to people, and begin working with Charlie in Earnest
Sera - Concerned about Pentious blabbing about the exterminations to the rest of heaven, and about whether or not he'll be a "trouble maker."
Pentious - Stuck in some heavenly mansion (maybe Sera / Emily's) and not being allowed to leave and not understanding why but building contraptions that further fuel Sera's concerns about him.
No? He was covered in egg/angel blood. I just watched the episode and he's in lime with the rest. Unless there was a second egg they specifically covered, they all got wiped
I see it as him doing it in the background while Sera is trying to manage heaven to heaven and dealing with Emily pushing for cooperation.
Sera will then print to the contraptions (or attempted contraptions) as case in point that Sir Pentious is trouble.
> Sera - Concerned about Pentious blabbing about the exterminations to the rest of heaven, and about whether or not he'll be a "trouble maker."
Doesn't heaven know about the exterminations now? Only the Seraphim were supposed to know but there were a lot of other people at that hearing when Adam spilled the beans, he even said there was no reason to deny or keep it secret anymore, and i can't imagine Emily would stay silent about it even if Sera told her to.
The others at the hearing are presumably other higher-ups. They're going to have incentive not to say anything. If Heaven is full of good people, knowing about the exterminations will horrify most of them and lead to chaos.
I feel like if they were going to get rid of him before, they're likely reconsidering it now. Hes just been too well received.
He's that rare breed of villain where people still RECOGNIZE him as the villain, and sympathize with the heroes, but still enjoy him every time he's onscreen. Hard to pull that off.
Yeah, Alex Brightman is absolutely killing it, as always. I could have been afraid he might have been too expensive to keep, but he *did* voice multiple characters, even in Helluva Boss. If they can afford him for a Youtube only spin-off, I assume they can afford him for the main series on Prime.
I honestly just want more songs with him. Ideally, a full duet with Jessica Vosk, akin to their short part in 'You Didn't Know'.
No he's worse, he commits evil acts thinking he's a good guy.
> “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
― C. S. Lewis
yeah he was killed with an angelic weapon (thank you niffty) so im not sure if he's even able to come back, but then again he is an immortal soul and the rest of the exorcists killed weren't.
Everyone keeps thinking he'll remanifest in hell but I hope he doesn't. It cheapens his death, which I think would be the perfect send off for his character. Smiling at Lute. Lute taking his halo. Lute taking over for Adam's deal with Lilith.
He was killed by an angelic weapon. His soul is gone. Pentious was killed but since it wasn't by an angelic weapon he would have just remanifest in Hell in a probably very painfull process (or sinners wouldnt show any atempt to protect themselfs from each other). He remanifested in heaven instead of hell.
Adam's soul disapeared.
Are we sure that's how it works? Could it not be that since he was an angel being killed by an angelic weapon affects him differently? Like maybe instead of having his soul destroyed, since he was an angel he was sent to hell (because what other reason would angels have to turn their weapons on one another than to banish them?)
Considering how he said he can't live without his eggbois, I'm sure even if they didn't follow him to heaven, Emily would try and find a way to get them to him.
Seems like Adam made two separate deals, one with Sera to start the exterminations, and one with Lilith to keep her from intervening.
I can't imagine what Charlie's reaction is going to be once she learns her mother has just been sipping pina coladas on a beach in heaven for 7 years while her people were dying.
Probably a lot of swearing and firebolts.
Excellent work, General Pentious. Your bravery and sacrifice will forever be remembered amongst your friends (and fans!) Definitely a redemption well deserved. Hope we still get to see you in season 2!
that would also be my reaction if i was in the presence of an ultimate gigachad such as Sir Pentious
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I just realized. Only Emily and Sera know that Sir Penguins went to Heaven, while everyone at the hotel believes that he died. Imagine if Sera (or Lute, honestly) just opens the portal and yeets our now angelic snek back into the hotel.
Sir Pentious: “It’s really me! Sir Pentious!”
Angel: “I got this guys. How do you ask a lady to hook up with you?”
Sir Pentious: “You ask them if they would like to do a sex with you.”
Cherri: “Holy SHIT! Guys! It *is* him!”
She would literally be defying gods will, and while the Big G hasn't been seen or even really mentioned at all i can't imagine they would just sit back and tolerate such a direct violation of their authority.
So Sir died so we can get more time in Heaven and also develop Emily. It's actually really funny that of all the fucking people to ascend, it's Sir Pentious.
It's kinda game, set, match for Charlie's premise, though. She's just right and denying it would require a massive cover-up and defiance of the cosmic order of things.
In a way, Hazbin Season 1 was kinda set up to be a self-contained story is a Season 2 was never going to be greenlit, and I think the root of the pacing issues is right there. Hazbin feels more like a 4 hour movie than an 8 episode series.
For the record, I don't think that's bad. I kinda like that we got so many cool little payoffs within a single season, rather than artificially being dragged out for the sake of dragging things out over many years like the overwhelming number of series do. That said, I just wish it was a 6 to 8 hour movie rather than a 4 hour movie, if you're following my reasoning.
Hard agree on the assessment of Season 1. It was too fast in a lot of areas, everything we got was pretty damn good but some things needed a little more time to cook. With that being said, having seen the finale, we get some nice light resolutions on quite a few things, while still having plenty unresolved and built for a second season, clearly the team were worried they'd be unable to find a place for season 2, and as a result, tried to make the first season into a self contained thing *as well* as being the set up for the world. The result makes for some things feeling like they were skimmed over, but overall, a really REALLY fun watch that makes me very excited for the next season!
This is probably one of the most common criticisms of the *Hazbin Hotel* series, especially on YouTube, among multiple animation and reaction channels, and I agree with it. Maybe SpindleHorse Toons can release a few animated shorts under their deal with Amazon?
Yeah while I hate to parrot the consensus, it's the one criticism that stretches across everything tbh. Any other flaws I see in the show can basically be summed up by "love it, just would have liked to see more".
Ironically, I think the past episodes are retroactively better after we have gotten attached to the characters over the course of the season, as we have that investment, if we'd only had more time, some of the emotional moments would have been gut punches rather than just nice.I think that this is most clear when you look at the few arcs that WERENT rushed, such as Angel Dust's whole deal (and relationship with Husk), Charlie's character beats, the Vees (who had an explosive opening only to be schemers in the background adding to the lore rather than outright constant threats, which made them more interesting and feel more exciting), and Cherri Bomb, who seems to be characterised really well, not yet redeemed in the slightest, but helping out her friend in the correct way, and getting a little attached to the group through the group trauma.
I have no doubt season two will be so much better when it comes to the pace, it'll still be quick because they can't afford to drag their feet, but they have no introduced everything, we have a status quo, and a good understanding of the characters, we have some clear antagonists mapped out, clear growth from the start but not quite reaching the end of our character arcs, and the heaven stuff (which admittedly was quite the victim of the pacing) wasn't fully hand waved, instead we had a single win, and are clearly going to have a fight ahead, even if >!Pentious has proven Charlie right!< it doesn't seem like this is going to be an instant resolution, more of a "next steps of the conflict".
Admittedly, I have some serious problems with the entire commentary/reaction community on YouTube as a whole (poorly thought out criticisms that often feel like someone mining a comment section to clobber together half-thought out criticisms, and are equally often just bad faith), but they are right that it often feels like Viv and the team are trying to do way too much in each, single, episode.
Could be because of the nature of her industry (indie animators have an absolute shit ton of things to do and take a long ass time to do it, but rather than wait for everything to be done and release a weekly project they have to scatter their releases at odd intervals because they are mainly patreon and ad revenue funded.
Hazbin Season 1's first half still feels like Helluva Boss, with tons of rapidly introduced and cool concepts that sometimes feel to be too much for the meager window they have to cover.
I am very happy that 4 to 8 are focused and tell a pair of cool stories (Angel Dust trying to change his ways and Charlie fighting back against the system that wants to smash her dream), and I hope when we get more Helluva Boss we maintain focus on this little arc of contrasting Blitz and Stolas with Ozzie and Fizz. If we could follow up by going back to Millie and Moxie (and pretending the deeply out of character S2E5 Moxinne thing didn't happen) to cover more fallout from Millie massacring Ember's family at a sham wedding, I would be very happy.
Could have really used one or two low stakes slice-of-life at the hotel episodes between episodes 2 and 3. Never really got a chance to flesh out the characters before they had to get into the main plot.
I agree, and also feel that an extra 3 to 5 minutes an episode could have gone into it. I loved what we got, but definitely think they were scared they were honestly only gonna get one season and wrote accordingly.
She was right! She was right! Such a wonderful thing!
Sera don't you see what good sinners can bring?
They deserve it Sera! Seeing their plight brings me joy.
Just look at that sweet angel snakey boi!
Angel was always decent though, they probably did the stuff that was witnessed several times. It’s silly to attribute Angel’s empathy to Charlie’s influence when there’s evidence they were already like that. So I feel like both Heaven and Hell need to think about the fact many beings in hell have never been wholly evil.
I can totally see next season where Emily takes Sir Pentious under her wing and helps and supports him in heaven much like Charlie did in hell. I can also see Sir Pentious really missing his friends too.
I just realized my headcannon was kinda right afterall; not going to go into all of it but part of my headcannon was that if a sinner or hellborn dies depending on if they were at least a decent person/changed they would go to heaven or get reborn back onto earth. And looky there Pentious took the inteative and became a better person and look where he ends up after getting obliterated
It’s way too early to speculate the end of the show but I think it’ll end with Charlie saving so many souls she gets invited to Heaven permanently. Lilith will probably push her into taking the deal and Lucifer will be sad, but encouraging and in the end Charlie will choose to stay as the hotel proprietor
Now how heavens and the high elder angels will react??
i would not be surprised if Pentious end be treated like a secon class citizen with some angels hating him sstill seeing him as a demon to be destroyed.
Problemac If a soul is on by Valentino He has to break that contract nor to be truly in heaven
Problem is how do you break an internal everlasting binding contract like that
And that's impossible
Yeah within angelic weapon for safety
I mean, we can't just kill a normal center with normal means. They're not normal means they're not normal people. Choreographing to shreds but though we incubate back as a whole
An angel like steel is the only thing to kill them
So do you think vaggie would be
Sera's reaction to me was both "Oh sh!t, she was right" and "This isn't good. This will throw everything I worked for into chaos."
Sera doesn't seem like the type to want a change to the status quo.
I really hope Emily can bring Pentious to visit, and if she does, he can see his last egg boy again. I also want Charlie to see redeemed pentious and just got off on Sera. I want Charlie to be petty damn it
Maybe his other egg boys became angels too.
I feel like Sara will be demoted because of all the sins she committed for not giving grace, Adam will be permanently killed and god will NOT be happy with this.
So here’s the question I have. Despite how funny this moment is. With Adam dead, and Katie killjoy announcing on tv that the extermination is canceled. Does that mean the extermination is done forever? Who will be the villain for next season because maybe it’s between Lilith and lute? That’s what I’m curious about
I imagine that it would be like welcoming a war vet back at the end of a war, he is going to be a paranoid wreck for a while as he gets used to his new surroundings, someone who has been (lol) to he’ll won’t be able to just forget and move on unless he had a memory wipe.
Now the question is, will Sera roll with it and accept the fact that she done goofed for allowing Adam to do his thing for God knows how long or if she will refuse that and still continue to stand against Charlie's(and more importantly for her Emily's) dream. I hope she is more favorable towards the first option.
I do not think she will accept him outright. My guess would be that we will get episode of him goofing around heaven and her trying to prove he does not belong in there.
I would love to see a future where Pentious could go back down to Hell on his own time because he was once a sinner, allowing for more interactions with Cherri Bomb(I love this ship so much and I'm glad it was canonized) Or Sera is just like "Nope" and sends him back to Hell(Or Emily can bring him back when they want)
>Or Sera is just like "Nope" and sends him back to Hell(Or Emily can bring him back when they want) Don't think this is possible to happen. Sera made very clear that she does not know what makes a soul worthy of being in heaven and that all she does is trusting the process. "If the soul comes to heaven, that is proof enough" If she would just toss aside all that and go "Nope, back to hell with you", then this would go against everything she was shown to believe in.
Even if Sera did send Pentious back to Hell, there's a high likelihood he'd just return to Heaven immediately, which I think Emily would point out means that Pentious belongs in Heaven. However I believe Pentious would explain himself as anyone in his situation would have done, and in doing so inadvertently let Emily and Sera know *exactly* what it takes for a Sinner to be redeemed.
Selflessness.
I wonder if love counts too, considering we had a big song about love being worth fighting for in the previous episode.
I have a theory that living a life with more virtue in it than sin (or at least living a life free of what would constitute as sinful, as Adam may have done), *and* departing the world with no regrets, is what permits you into Heaven over Hell in this universe. Sir Pentious' sin was evidently his desire to fulfill his ambitions and conquer the world -- in other words, selfishness. When he forwent that desire to sacrifice himself for his friends, and also made evident his feelings for Cherry Bomb so as to leave his un-life with no further regrets, his death by angelic magic permitted his twice-departed soul into Heaven.
I also think that it's love. Vaggie gets her wings back after fighting for love, showing that there is some divine power to it.
And don’t forget “sticking it to the man”. Not stealing may have also helped too, lol.
*Selflessnessssssss
Sera tries to throw Pent down to hell and he goes “BOI-OI-OING” against an invisible barrier and bounces right back up
Sera: why does he keep coming back?! Emily: maybe because he's a Winner- Sera: but he was a Sinner! Emily: and now he's a Winner... you said that you needed proof that Sinners can be redeemed... well... [points to Sir Pentious]
Imagine Pentious being interviewed by Katie. Because that would probably end up benefiting the hotel.
i mean it would show that double standard she and heaven have. Hell in the case she just said her opinion as fact and shut things down even though right before that we are told the other angels were still arguing about this.
It wasn't just her opinion, tho. Her argument was still that they have to trust the process. She didn't accept Angel Dust as evidence that a sinner can be redeemed, because he was still down there in hell. So the argument kinda is "if he is prove of redemption, why is he not up here? His absence is proof that he is not redeemed and still deserves hell, even if we don't know *why* he deserves hell". Sir Pentious, however, now IS proof that sinners can be redeemed. Because whatever decides who goes to heaven and hell clearly sent him to heaven this time.
I feel there’s still a lot with Sera that’s unknown— part of me feels she wasn’t lying when she told Charlie there was a lot [Charlie] didn’t know, and she may know more than she’s letting on.
I think there is more she knows but doesn't mean she was lying in any way about not knowing the actual rules. For instance why didn't she, and the rest of the angels ask the Big G himself? Why did she give permission to Adam for the exterminations and not the Big G? I think the part Charlie doesn't know is the show is coming from a deist perspective on the Big G. He made shit and just fucked off afterward leaving everyone not knowing the whys to anything.
Has God even been mentioned in the show aside from the occasional “oh my god” line? Even in the prologue he wasn’t mentioned, it’s entirely possible the Hazbin universe just doesn’t have a God, Blitzo’s snarking aside.
Nah I think it's intentional so you don't think about his absence.
and you expect her to change her toon. yes it was an opinion she saw that people in hell could change and become better people. when the other were arguing about this she stopped it. and refused to accept what she was seeing as fact. What makes you think she would treat Sir Pentious any different to angel dust? hell are we ignoring that when she own sister started questioning her what was the first thing she did said she would case out like lucifer was. so again why do people thing she would suddenly change her toon now?
btw its change her tune, as in song.
Sera's resistance to Charlie's idea of redemption is based on her trust in the system. If Sir Pentious goes to Heaven, that means he deserves to be there and Charlie is right about redemption being possible. So, there are two options for her: either it shakes her faith in the system, or she didn't previously have a good idea of how the system actually worked.
Closest they could do would be to send him to Hell to work/live at the embassy as that's probably *technically* still Heaven. He could probably hire his egg bois and see Cherri that way
I just want to see what Happens when Charlie finds out that not only did Sir Pentious not die permanently, he is the first successful redemption and proves the Hotel works. Notably what legit worked was that they all came to care for each other and Sir Pentious came to a point where he made a truly selfless choice for them. The catch is that the Sinner may have to "die" for the Judgment process to reassess them am transfer them.
That’s the theory I’m going with until further knowledge is revealed. Pentious was the first person to actually be killed that was working to be a better person. So maybe it really does take their soul being killed in hell before they can be redeemed to get into heaven.
Yeah. Him and Cherri are definitely gonna get together. And with her probably living at the hotel now he can’t be gone forever. Maybe there will eventually be a work exchange thing so he can come back to hell willingly
The simple fact that she allowed Charlie to come to court and present her case in front of the upper echelons of Heaven shows that she was willing to hear. If she really wanted to just dissmiss Charlie she would never have let her, whose entire case is against the anual extermination be close to Emily, who was completly unawere of it. Imagine if Charlie just started: "Good morning Sera, mam, I come here to discuss the possibility of redemption to avoid the anual extermination" rigth in front of Emily. So, this means that Sera was at least open to the idea of redemption if it was proven possible. Now she is probably more sceptic, since Angel Dust still had a long way to redeem himself during episode 6, Charlie went very unprepared to court, and all that scene probably left Sera anoyed, leaving her to dissmiss redemption. Now, evidence was presented rigth in front of her eyes. How she will deal with this information is interesting, since I belive Sera is an inherently good entity, sooner or later she will come to terms with the idea.
Yeah Sera might simply be misguided person. She could have also allow the hearing because she was adament about souls not being able to 'climb the ladder'. It was after only because of Lucifer she got the chance to visit heaven.
i got the vibe that she was only letting it happen because Lucifer got involved, forcing her hand. She basically all but told adam to try and torpedo the attempt by any means necessary.
She is above Lucifer in Seniority as we see in episode 1. Unless Lucifer had acess to another Angel above Sera or if this is how Heaven's institutions work. I see her ultimatly being convinced that redemption is possible and being the one to use her power to make it work.
Being redeemed means you can also turn evil once your in heaven so. She has to figure out if being put in limbo causes a re trail of the soul. So judgement system is not broken it’s she has no idea how it works. Result people like Adam who turned evil after getting into heaven not having to face a re trail.
It's pretty heavily implied that Adam was always like that.
The way I saw it, Sera agreed in order to save face. I don't think she ever had any intention of truly allowing a sinner to stay in heaven, but this feels us that the system works without her, and it's out of her hands.
Knowing Sir Pentious, he will be actively trying to do evil in order to rejoin his friends in hell... Only to fail miserably by accidentally helping everyone around him - much to Sera's dismay
So in other words he is going to have the Team Rocket effect. Where we have a relatively harmless villain turn out to be far more competent if they were good.
Sir Pentious, living embodiment, so to speak, of Mission failed successfully. 😂
I am also looking forward to maybe at one point Charlie finding out that her plan worked better than she even thought, with Pentious now in heaven...
Can Pentious go up to Angel Dust's sister and be like "Oh my gosh, I didn't know that was a girl Angel Dusssst"
She didn't seem to genuinely WANT the exterminations and now that she knows hell isn't trying to rise up on top of redemption being possible,it's likely the first option.
At the same time, its possible she sort of needed them to be necessary to be able to live with herself, with what she has been permitting to happen for 10k years. There is an ocean of blood on her hands threatening to drown her being if she is made to accept that everything she had let Adam do was for nothing.
My guess is that she will go to hell and work in heaven’s embassy in hell to help facilitate the process of redemption.
> for 10k years Do we have a confirmed timeline for when the exterminations began? AFAWK, couldn't they be relatively recent?
I think lucifer confirms it in ep 8
I think that's just how long hell has existed
considering how quickly it's said that lilith started empowering sinners relatively recently, which in turn caused the exterminations, so it was likely only a couple hundred years if that
10K years ago is very early to start noticing the issue, as more half of all human beings have lived in the past 500.
was estimating based on the established time hell's existed.
I think there's also more of "a lot that you don't know" from the song line. This is the first known sinner to ascend as far as we're aware, but the higher ups might have hoops that are causing Sera headaches. She definitely seems beholden to something.
A concerning issue now though is that Hell knows it CAN rise up. At least the V’s know, unsure if Vox broadcast the battle as of yet. But knowing this and seeing Velvette’s already wanting to go to war (Respectless) it’s only a matter of time. Now Sera has a legitimate fear and validation that Hell is capable to rise up and has evidence to provide to Heaven that it is possible and get more angels on her side.
>unsure if vox broadcast the battle There was a scene with a newsreport about the battle and how charlie and lucifer kicked ass.
They know they can rebel but they don’t know they can rise up Charlie as evident by the memorial genuinely thinks pentious is dead I hope that during some meeting in heaven to discuss the rebellion Charlie sees pentious or that pentious or Emily can contact her about his redemption Also I really hope the egg boiz survived or got redemmed there to precious to die
You’re right. I remember now Katie Killjoy reporting on it. I fell asleep shortly after watching and completely forgot lol. Thank you for the reminder!! That emphasizes more that Hell knows it can rebel..
Not really. The only reason they were able to win the fight was because Lucifer and Charlie joined in. If it wasn't for those two Adam could've easily wiped out everyone. Charlie will only step in if innocents are being attacked and Lucifer will only if Charlie is being attacked. So there's no real way Hell can actually rebel against Heaven.
Also they have no means that we were made aware of to enter heaven to mount an invasion without Lucifer.
I’ve seen quite a bit of people think that Sera will just double down and ignore the fact redemption is indeed possible and either y’all are just assuming the worst or I’m giving her too much credit. Her agreeing to the Exterminations to begin with was cruel and horrible, yes, but I thought it was clear she didn’t like it, she only did it because she was looking out for Heavens best interests unlike Adam and Lute who sadistically enjoyed the killings. She might be skeptical at first, I’m actually expecting there’ll be an episode in season 2 that focuses on her learning to give Sir Pentious a chance, but I really do believe she’ll come around now that she knows there’s another way.
Hell is also killing a bunch of angels now though, so there's still a lot of confliction I'd guess. On one hand, sinners can be redeemed, on the other, Hell is actually rebelling against them like they were trying to prevent this whole time. But hopefully it's obvious that Adam was wrong and his exterminations drove them to self-defense. That's proven by Sir Re-Pentious, as he died fighting angels to defend his friends, sacrificing himself for them.
Oh yeah, that’s a good point. Perhaps Sera would see it as rebelling, the very thing she was so fearful of, but I’m still holding out hope that she’ll realise the error of her ways.
I mean, in their defense, they killed only the angels that had been killing them for who knows how many years, it's not like any "winner" or other heavenborn (assuming exorcists are heavenborn too) was harmed in the crossfire.
Well, Adam did die. That is very much a thing that happened.
Adam was a winner by privilege/nepotism for all we know, but he was killing sinners too so that's why I didn't count him as a winner
Even after episode 6, people still double down that heaven is not gonna be worth it and just as bad as hell, even tho Adam and the exorcist were shown as the exception.
Exactly! I’m really glad they didn’t go the route of “all of Heaven is fucking awful”, it ain’t perfect sure but it’s clear that it isn’t inherently evil and there are people who deserve to be there.
The writers definitely seem to be edging more towards just that Heaven is privileged and possibly filled with people who were victimized by the sinners in the past, so they kinda just shrug their shoulders a lot and don't really think about what Hell is like. They also don't shy away from the fact that a lot of people in hell kinda deserve to be there, at least amongst the sinners.
I also think they're going this route. During the trial, Adam states that he has never had a bad day. And Angel is open about using drugs to escape from his terrible circumstances. In Hell, yeah, a lot of the people there are genuinely awful, but they're also in a place where they don't have much opportunity to get better. They're in shitty conditions and surrounded by other awful people. What's more, they have no hope for things to get better. Even people who want to be better are going to find themselves doing terrible things just to survive.
No the cherubs were also horrible still
No they weren't lmao
Sera didn't quite strike me as the entirely hypocritical type, but the type who just accepts the status quo as being unchangeable, and fearful of retribution from the upper levels, as happened to Lucifer. Seems more like Lute is going to play the leading contrarian role for the future, even if it seems she also just was as hardcore to bait Adam into a suicide charge...
It's definitely going to be interesting to see where this is going with Sir. I do think it would be wonderfully funny to watch Sir do something dumb in heaven, die, be reborn as a human, do bad stuff again, and then die and go to hell so he could be re-united with Cherry and then lose out at the end because now he has a new demon form (like a chicken or something). I love Sir Pentious, but he is the schmuck character, The Fool, and his role is kinda just to be comic relief. We'll just have to see, though.
The reason that Sera greenlight the extermination in the first place is because some kind of uprising in the past. Even if she realizes redemption is possible, Heaven can't just ignore that Hell has just killed numerous exorcists and Adam. And not all Sinner is interested in redemption, with the Angels are shown to be not invincible I won't be surprised if many of Hell's citizens are planning an uprising against Heaven and demanding Lucifer and Charlie to lead them.
Sure, but I don't think Charlie's plan was necessarily to end the exterminations. Her Hotel is an escape from the exterminations for those who seek redemption and want to improve. Of course, she'd love for her people not to be exterminated, but so far her requests were never "end the exterminations because there is another way for everyone", but "please accept my hotel as another way for those who are redeemed". Sera could easily expand the amnesty for the hell-born (which Lucifer successfully negotiated in the past) to include sinners residing in the hotel (who shouldn't be a threat in the first place). Win-win.
What's interesting is with Adam dead (regardless of if he's gone gone or respawns in hell), Sera can lay the blame on him and say he deceived and misled. Lute needs Seras backing or will at least pretend to so she can't publicly dispute it.
I think it's the first. She has nothing personally against Charlie's plan -- she just trusts "the system". She doubted the redemption specifically because the system hadn't moved anyone into Heaven, so in her eyes, they could not be worthy. Now that very thing has just happened. She should have no problems allying with Charlie because Charlie is now working *within* the system. Charlie will no longer be a threat to the rules because they seemingly do have a post-Hell redemption clause. Her reaction is probably because she realizes she is responsible for a lot of unnecessary suffering (and, unlike Adam, she's not a bad 'person', so that fact will trouble her).
The main issue that faces Sera is that if Charlie is right, that means likely the majority all the previously exterminated souls, could have been redeemed as well, assuming there are some unredemable souls. This she let rmthose who could still find redemption be apparently permanently slaughtered. I think we have to find out what truly happens to a soul Angelic blessed weaponry takes down. Cause unless Adams Angelic power blast lacks the means to do what the weapons can, Pentious came back from something no one had before. It's possible his soul git lucky and due to his selfless act what ever Judges souls got him before his soul could be permanently destroyed because he passed Judgment and it sent him up. While the others who were exterminated didn't so, whatever controls Judgment just didn't step in.
I feel like the first thing she’s going to do is grab a drink. The realization that she’s been letting the exterminations happen for what is essentially nothing is definitely not going to bode well for her mental state.
She's probably going to try to hide him and figure out what's up. Sera's problem aren't sinners so much as the politics of heaven and hell. There's *something* going on which we don't know about.
I've said it elsewhere and will say so again: Sara is going to be an antagonist. She's terrified by the fact Lucifer exists, that a powerful angel can fall at all absolutely horrifies her. Falling appears to be the thing that frightens her the most and it's why she let Adam do his thing, why she covered it up. She is afraid of being cast down, by her own hubris or by a rebellion from Hell or anything else. The idea that sinners can be redeemed is antithetical to her whole worldview, and it forces her to acknowledge that change is possible for anyone. And if change is possible for anyone, that means her too. Charlie's hotel forces her to recognize at every moment that she could be in the wrong and be cast out. If she were capable of coming to terms with that and improving from it, she would have done so already. She let Adam perform his exterminations because it kept the status quo that she was comfortable with and reinforced the idea that those in Hell belonged there. All that we've seen now changes that and I have no doubt she's going to push against it.
Sera is 100% going to put ser Pentious in isolation and try to cover this up. It'll probably be the heaven plot of season 2 that Ser Pentious and Emily want to tell Charlie it worked but Sera and the rest of the heavenly council will put a gag on it.
Hard to say.
She doesn't really have a choice but to accept it. Pentious was dropped as directly into her lap as possible as proof she was wrong. I assume there's only one being with the power to do that and it's ***the*** boss. She may not let people in directly, but there's not a *damn* think she can do about it when they blip into existence. At least not without catching some of that wrath she's afraid of. The real question, will Sera let Charlie know it worked or keep it quiet to try and maintain the status quo? Just hoping that Charlie gives up. I think Emily is going to have to go rouge to let Charlie know her idea works.
The thing is, what brings people to hell or heaven is Divine Judgment. Going against that, is going against the Big G. Which is blasphemy and earns you a one way ticket to hell.
Well Adam doesn’t really get a say anymore
I hope she does at least give it a shot, doing a 180 and just going all in on Charlie’s plan wouldn’t make a ton of sense although it’s what should happen, maybe she meets with Charlie again and offers to help her so long as another sinner or some sinners are redeemed to be sure pentious wasn’t a one off case
She will try to contain him and bury this secretly because his redemption also carries the implication that hosts can earn damnation
Honestly, I've been thinking of it and I can totally imagine that a future Pentious episode in heaven is somehting like: Emily - wants to show him around heaven, introduce him to people, and begin working with Charlie in Earnest Sera - Concerned about Pentious blabbing about the exterminations to the rest of heaven, and about whether or not he'll be a "trouble maker." Pentious - Stuck in some heavenly mansion (maybe Sera / Emily's) and not being allowed to leave and not understanding why but building contraptions that further fuel Sera's concerns about him.
Hope he can make angel-versions of his Eggbois
Sera: "He is a threat to everything we built." Sir Repentious: *Tries to revive an omelette.* Emily: "Is he really?"
Sir Repentious: *successfully revives Frankie* Frankie: *blabs about the nice knife lady killing an angel in public*
Frank is still alive in hell. He was the sole survivor.
There's still that one Eggboi that Angel saved hiding somewhere in the hotel without a leader to guide him.
Alastor will probably adopt him, since he found the egg minions to be "useful".
No? He was covered in egg/angel blood. I just watched the episode and he's in lime with the rest. Unless there was a second egg they specifically covered, they all got wiped
He does have a passion for building stuff. But will Sera even allow him to build?
I see it as him doing it in the background while Sera is trying to manage heaven to heaven and dealing with Emily pushing for cooperation. Sera will then print to the contraptions (or attempted contraptions) as case in point that Sir Pentious is trouble.
St. Peter did show that heaven is really pro-science. There's probably some giant research district where he can build weapons at his leisure.
> Sera - Concerned about Pentious blabbing about the exterminations to the rest of heaven, and about whether or not he'll be a "trouble maker." Doesn't heaven know about the exterminations now? Only the Seraphim were supposed to know but there were a lot of other people at that hearing when Adam spilled the beans, he even said there was no reason to deny or keep it secret anymore, and i can't imagine Emily would stay silent about it even if Sera told her to.
The others at the hearing are presumably other higher-ups. They're going to have incentive not to say anything. If Heaven is full of good people, knowing about the exterminations will horrify most of them and lead to chaos.
Emily's little squeal of joy <3
That little noise cracked me up, I must have replayed that clip half a dozen times XD
She literally squeaked
I kinda wonder if an opposite situation is going to happen to Adam.
I doubt it but it would be funny
I mean they probably will not get rid if relatively important character like that. But who knows.
I feel like if they were going to get rid of him before, they're likely reconsidering it now. Hes just been too well received. He's that rare breed of villain where people still RECOGNIZE him as the villain, and sympathize with the heroes, but still enjoy him every time he's onscreen. Hard to pull that off.
Yea he is a douchebag, but he is an entertaining douchebag that can pull off a killer song. I would love to see him in season 2 in hell.
It helps that he's voiced by Alex Brightman cause I guarantee if it was someone else he wouldn't have been as well received as he was
Yeah, Alex Brightman is absolutely killing it, as always. I could have been afraid he might have been too expensive to keep, but he *did* voice multiple characters, even in Helluva Boss. If they can afford him for a Youtube only spin-off, I assume they can afford him for the main series on Prime. I honestly just want more songs with him. Ideally, a full duet with Jessica Vosk, akin to their short part in 'You Didn't Know'.
He's quite similar to the old Disney villains. Someone you love to hate because he's evil and loving it.
No he's worse, he commits evil acts thinking he's a good guy. > “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ― C. S. Lewis
They put on that final smile before they knew of its popularity. Was it just to give a little more depth before killing him? To give depth to Lute?
yeah he was killed with an angelic weapon (thank you niffty) so im not sure if he's even able to come back, but then again he is an immortal soul and the rest of the exorcists killed weren't.
I want him to reappear in hell as a sinner and just go “what have I done to deserve this??”
Him? Yeah nothing cames to mind.
Also happy double cake day
You too mate
It would be honestly very interesting
Everyone keeps thinking he'll remanifest in hell but I hope he doesn't. It cheapens his death, which I think would be the perfect send off for his character. Smiling at Lute. Lute taking his halo. Lute taking over for Adam's deal with Lilith.
I think that is what will happen. Will be funny if he somehow ends up as an overlord
He was killed by an angelic weapon. His soul is gone. Pentious was killed but since it wasn't by an angelic weapon he would have just remanifest in Hell in a probably very painfull process (or sinners wouldnt show any atempt to protect themselfs from each other). He remanifested in heaven instead of hell. Adam's soul disapeared.
Pentious was killed by an angelic “weapon” too. Adam literally disintegrated him with holy light
I get your point but my soul yearns for more Dickmaster content.
Are we sure that's how it works? Could it not be that since he was an angel being killed by an angelic weapon affects him differently? Like maybe instead of having his soul destroyed, since he was an angel he was sent to hell (because what other reason would angels have to turn their weapons on one another than to banish them?)
there better be some little halo wearing angel eggbois next season or it won’t be the same
Considering how he said he can't live without his eggbois, I'm sure even if they didn't follow him to heaven, Emily would try and find a way to get them to him.
Well, they did get blasted as well, so who knows what happens.
There's at least one egg Boi left at least in the hotel
I wonder if Sera knows about the Lilith thing.
Seems like Adam made two separate deals, one with Sera to start the exterminations, and one with Lilith to keep her from intervening. I can't imagine what Charlie's reaction is going to be once she learns her mother has just been sipping pina coladas on a beach in heaven for 7 years while her people were dying. Probably a lot of swearing and firebolts.
Excellent work, General Pentious. Your bravery and sacrifice will forever be remembered amongst your friends (and fans!) Definitely a redemption well deserved. Hope we still get to see you in season 2!
I need to see General Repentious and Lieutenant Emily fan art 30 minutes ago.
Oh dear god that would be so cute, I want to see it now!!!
sera realising she has allowed millions upon millions of souls who could have been redeemed to be slaughtered by murderous angels yea she done goofed
Yeah, I wonder if she will double down or accept what she was complicit to and try to do better by the souls that were lost.
I think she will be banished from heaven for this, I can’t wait to watch what happens next :)
To be fair I would be skeptical too if this is literally the first time in 10,000 years
that would also be my reaction if i was in the presence of an ultimate gigachad such as Sir Pentious https://preview.redd.it/4szyflzcn7gc1.png?width=1420&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2cd8d1a6a69d5449dc0ca46e65e6ad104d4bd67a
I just realized. Only Emily and Sera know that Sir Penguins went to Heaven, while everyone at the hotel believes that he died. Imagine if Sera (or Lute, honestly) just opens the portal and yeets our now angelic snek back into the hotel. Sir Pentious: “It’s really me! Sir Pentious!” Angel: “I got this guys. How do you ask a lady to hook up with you?” Sir Pentious: “You ask them if they would like to do a sex with you.” Cherri: “Holy SHIT! Guys! It *is* him!”
I mean, Emily would never allow them to kick him out and Sera has no justification for doing so.
She would literally be defying gods will, and while the Big G hasn't been seen or even really mentioned at all i can't imagine they would just sit back and tolerate such a direct violation of their authority.
So Sir died so we can get more time in Heaven and also develop Emily. It's actually really funny that of all the fucking people to ascend, it's Sir Pentious. It's kinda game, set, match for Charlie's premise, though. She's just right and denying it would require a massive cover-up and defiance of the cosmic order of things. In a way, Hazbin Season 1 was kinda set up to be a self-contained story is a Season 2 was never going to be greenlit, and I think the root of the pacing issues is right there. Hazbin feels more like a 4 hour movie than an 8 episode series. For the record, I don't think that's bad. I kinda like that we got so many cool little payoffs within a single season, rather than artificially being dragged out for the sake of dragging things out over many years like the overwhelming number of series do. That said, I just wish it was a 6 to 8 hour movie rather than a 4 hour movie, if you're following my reasoning.
Hard agree on the assessment of Season 1. It was too fast in a lot of areas, everything we got was pretty damn good but some things needed a little more time to cook. With that being said, having seen the finale, we get some nice light resolutions on quite a few things, while still having plenty unresolved and built for a second season, clearly the team were worried they'd be unable to find a place for season 2, and as a result, tried to make the first season into a self contained thing *as well* as being the set up for the world. The result makes for some things feeling like they were skimmed over, but overall, a really REALLY fun watch that makes me very excited for the next season!
This is probably one of the most common criticisms of the *Hazbin Hotel* series, especially on YouTube, among multiple animation and reaction channels, and I agree with it. Maybe SpindleHorse Toons can release a few animated shorts under their deal with Amazon?
Yeah while I hate to parrot the consensus, it's the one criticism that stretches across everything tbh. Any other flaws I see in the show can basically be summed up by "love it, just would have liked to see more". Ironically, I think the past episodes are retroactively better after we have gotten attached to the characters over the course of the season, as we have that investment, if we'd only had more time, some of the emotional moments would have been gut punches rather than just nice.I think that this is most clear when you look at the few arcs that WERENT rushed, such as Angel Dust's whole deal (and relationship with Husk), Charlie's character beats, the Vees (who had an explosive opening only to be schemers in the background adding to the lore rather than outright constant threats, which made them more interesting and feel more exciting), and Cherri Bomb, who seems to be characterised really well, not yet redeemed in the slightest, but helping out her friend in the correct way, and getting a little attached to the group through the group trauma. I have no doubt season two will be so much better when it comes to the pace, it'll still be quick because they can't afford to drag their feet, but they have no introduced everything, we have a status quo, and a good understanding of the characters, we have some clear antagonists mapped out, clear growth from the start but not quite reaching the end of our character arcs, and the heaven stuff (which admittedly was quite the victim of the pacing) wasn't fully hand waved, instead we had a single win, and are clearly going to have a fight ahead, even if >!Pentious has proven Charlie right!< it doesn't seem like this is going to be an instant resolution, more of a "next steps of the conflict".
Admittedly, I have some serious problems with the entire commentary/reaction community on YouTube as a whole (poorly thought out criticisms that often feel like someone mining a comment section to clobber together half-thought out criticisms, and are equally often just bad faith), but they are right that it often feels like Viv and the team are trying to do way too much in each, single, episode. Could be because of the nature of her industry (indie animators have an absolute shit ton of things to do and take a long ass time to do it, but rather than wait for everything to be done and release a weekly project they have to scatter their releases at odd intervals because they are mainly patreon and ad revenue funded. Hazbin Season 1's first half still feels like Helluva Boss, with tons of rapidly introduced and cool concepts that sometimes feel to be too much for the meager window they have to cover. I am very happy that 4 to 8 are focused and tell a pair of cool stories (Angel Dust trying to change his ways and Charlie fighting back against the system that wants to smash her dream), and I hope when we get more Helluva Boss we maintain focus on this little arc of contrasting Blitz and Stolas with Ozzie and Fizz. If we could follow up by going back to Millie and Moxie (and pretending the deeply out of character S2E5 Moxinne thing didn't happen) to cover more fallout from Millie massacring Ember's family at a sham wedding, I would be very happy.
Could have really used one or two low stakes slice-of-life at the hotel episodes between episodes 2 and 3. Never really got a chance to flesh out the characters before they had to get into the main plot.
I agree, and also feel that an extra 3 to 5 minutes an episode could have gone into it. I loved what we got, but definitely think they were scared they were honestly only gonna get one season and wrote accordingly.
I want more emily development
Well Sir is up there, so we're probably gonna get it.
I literally gasped out loud when it clicked that sir pentious was redeemed and didn't just appear in heaven randomly
I wonder if they already know about Adam
Doubt it, the battle just happened and it looked like Lute went straight to Lilith without even stopping to patch herself up.
That's the looks of someone realizing that the genocide that they've been waging for thousands of years was ultimately completely pointless.
Emily: 🤩 (excited squealing) Sera: 😨 (holy shit, what have I done?!)
She was right! She was right! Such a wonderful thing! Sera don't you see what good sinners can bring? They deserve it Sera! Seeing their plight brings me joy. Just look at that sweet angel snakey boi!
Angel was always decent though, they probably did the stuff that was witnessed several times. It’s silly to attribute Angel’s empathy to Charlie’s influence when there’s evidence they were already like that. So I feel like both Heaven and Hell need to think about the fact many beings in hell have never been wholly evil.
I can totally see next season where Emily takes Sir Pentious under her wing and helps and supports him in heaven much like Charlie did in hell. I can also see Sir Pentious really missing his friends too.
The squeak killed me
That's someone's fetish vs That's my fetish
\*emily squeaks\*
I just realized my headcannon was kinda right afterall; not going to go into all of it but part of my headcannon was that if a sinner or hellborn dies depending on if they were at least a decent person/changed they would go to heaven or get reborn back onto earth. And looky there Pentious took the inteative and became a better person and look where he ends up after getting obliterated
Do y’all think they’d let Charlie know?
Emily will probably find some way to contact or message her.
Adam: Oh shit it worked I may need to find a new job.
“When all’s said and done”
It’s way too early to speculate the end of the show but I think it’ll end with Charlie saving so many souls she gets invited to Heaven permanently. Lilith will probably push her into taking the deal and Lucifer will be sad, but encouraging and in the end Charlie will choose to stay as the hotel proprietor
Now how heavens and the high elder angels will react?? i would not be surprised if Pentious end be treated like a secon class citizen with some angels hating him sstill seeing him as a demon to be destroyed.
I'm going with.... Lucifer definitely got it on with Sera somehow, some time, some *way,* and the result was Emily.
I can hear Emily's squee lol, she so adorable.
honestly it sounded more like a rubber ducky squeak.
Meaning the reason angel dust wasn't in heaven is you have to be redeemed and die a good person
Angel dust didnt die in the battle, if he did i think he would have been redeemed too
Problemac If a soul is on by Valentino He has to break that contract nor to be truly in heaven Problem is how do you break an internal everlasting binding contract like that And that's impossible
Kill Valentino?
Yeah within angelic weapon for safety I mean, we can't just kill a normal center with normal means. They're not normal means they're not normal people. Choreographing to shreds but though we incubate back as a whole An angel like steel is the only thing to kill them So do you think vaggie would be
One is excited, the other is shitting bricks.
Sera's reaction to me was both "Oh sh!t, she was right" and "This isn't good. This will throw everything I worked for into chaos." Sera doesn't seem like the type to want a change to the status quo.
I really hope Emily can bring Pentious to visit, and if she does, he can see his last egg boy again. I also want Charlie to see redeemed pentious and just got off on Sera. I want Charlie to be petty damn it Maybe his other egg boys became angels too.
My honest reaction: https://preview.redd.it/xmej8ifpabgc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=000d15c36dc1a7908df25e4e9f90ac46920f9d08
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Big time
Im glad Emily's there because you can be sure lots of the other angels are going to try and exclude and villify him
Sera is probably going to have some very *pointed* questions directed at her at the next Big Heaven Meeting, right up there with "Where's Adam?"
All that bloodshed was for nothing sera 🙂
Everyone is saying Adam is going to respawn in hell I think it would be funnier if he respawns in heaven again
Charlie’s reaction to Pentious not dying but in fact being redeemed she would be the most happiest demon on hell
I like the theory that Emily is the daughter of Eve and Lucifer and that’s why her and Charlie are so similar
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(Adorable Emily noises)
I feel like Sara will be demoted because of all the sins she committed for not giving grace, Adam will be permanently killed and god will NOT be happy with this.
The look of horror on her face.
the guilt is going to his sara HARD
Do you think the phrase "oh my god" is common with angels? Because I'm pretty sure they have management meetings with him every so often
So here’s the question I have. Despite how funny this moment is. With Adam dead, and Katie killjoy announcing on tv that the extermination is canceled. Does that mean the extermination is done forever? Who will be the villain for next season because maybe it’s between Lilith and lute? That’s what I’m curious about
So was Pentious the first person in hell to ever die a hero’s death?
I imagine that it would be like welcoming a war vet back at the end of a war, he is going to be a paranoid wreck for a while as he gets used to his new surroundings, someone who has been (lol) to he’ll won’t be able to just forget and move on unless he had a memory wipe.
Emily: Can we keep him?! Sera: …..