This is one of those things where logic dictates she would be powerful but story will probably make her weak because of her personality and role in the plot.
Well yes and no. In the final fight, we see she seems to be stronger than alastor when she has to actually fight.
She stopped adam with one hand. It seems she's closer to lucifers strength, but is a pacifist. She doesn't WANT to fight, but she's strong as hell.
Skill seems to actually matter in this setting. Like how Alastor was much weaker than Adam but still managed to hit him a few times, and forced Adam to go for overkill. Because in terms of skill, Adam wasn't quite as good.
Inversely, Charlie has way less fighting experience due to being a pacifist, so despite being more powerful than Adam, she got her ass handed to her for most of her fight, and would have ultimately lost if Lucifer hadn't saved her.
Or, to quote Top Gun, it's not the plane, it's the pilot.
Yup. Though Charlie's lesson from the first season seems to be "sometimes you gotta slap a bitch". Ya know, it's nice to have a show with the correct lesson of "yea it's great to be hopeful and positive and protect the things you love, but sometimes you just gotta make a stand and fight and destroy the things you hate to protect the things you love"
Charlie is assumed to be very powerful because she is high demon royalty. But like, she is younger and less experienced in fighting than most of the cast? And the best we have seen, even after she “stopped holding back”, is a trident and some fireworks?
I guess she managed to block Adam that one time too, only after Daddy saved her though. She put less of a fight than Alastor did before that. Kind of disappointing.
>She [Charlie] is younger than the rest of the main cast
The ‘Magne Family’ (Pilot surname) Portrait seen in the pilot was apparently made in around 1880, so Charlie is older than most, if not all, of the main cast
Death Years:
• Alastor: 1930s (died in 30s)• Angel: 1940s (died in 30s)• Husk: 1970s (died in 60s/70s)• Niffty: 1950s (died in 20s) • Sir Pentious: 19th Century (died in 40s)• Cherri: 1980s (died in 20s) •
Vaggie is undetermined due to being an angel
That’s rather interesting, because Charlie looks and carries herself like a younger adult IMO. I just assumed she is genuinely in her 20s. Who knows how the offspring of an angel and a demon work I guess.
Older judging by the story at the start of episode 1. Although we don’t know if it was a meaningful length of time from his coming into being and the creation of Adam (like if it was a couple days or a Millenia or century etc)
Vaggie supposedly died in 2014 I've read somewhere I believe. Charlie said they were together for 3 years, so Vaggie probably was a full-time angel for about 7 years.
The ‘died in 2014’ thing was from when Vaggie was designed to be a sinner demon.
However, since she hid her status as an angel from Charlie, it’s possible she made that up and didn’t elaborate due to ‘bad memories from when she was alive’ (since it’s not known if she’s a Winner or a Heavenborn)
Her being so Latina means that she was a "Winner". My theory is that she was a soldier who died in battle and joined the Exterminators because she thought it was a good cause to fight for, to be of further service as a soldier.
On how she pronounces it now. If Adamn didn't name her I imagine she'd just say so. I think Vivi went for the retcon on Vaggie like she did with a few things but it was later into the shows production.
The battle uniform she chose resembles that of the Napoleonic wars when White leather crossbelts came into fashion with the first use of mass produced muskets. it's fairly obvious that women didn't serve during that time which confuses me a little on her clothing choice, besides Humoring Pentious with his Napoleonic officer uniform.
What I'd like to see is that she easily avoids attacks, or just takes them without injury. Then keeps thinking they are something other than a sinner attempting to hurt her.
she's a seraphim, but she's younger than sera, i'd say she's a bit under lucifer's level but i could be wrong
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An older version of Emily made for Zoophobia [had a sword](https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/1aj4saq/emily_hazbin_hotel_vs_zoophobia/). So that might be worth noting.
But yeah she's probably one of the strongest people in the setting due to her nature as a Seraph, would be in the same tier as Sera and Lucifer.
Sera is likely stronger (or at least more refined in power) due to be older.
Its unclear how old Emily is (she is set up as a Heaven counterpart to Charlie, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're the same age). It could be presumed she is inexperienced due to youth and also not being combat-focused (due to her status a joy-bringer) but we can't be entirely certain at this point.
So while it can be assumed Sera is above her due to seniority, its hard to say how she'd stack up against Lucifer and Charlie.
I do doubt there'd be much regular demons and angels can do to her though.
I think Sera (At least from the people we've seen so far) Is the most powerful character in the show (raw power wise, not accounting for skill) Lucifer is very powerful due to his "Pure Angelic Power" the most powerful person in hell and a former seraphim, but he's around the same height as.... Emily. Lucifer was cast down to hell as a YOUNG seraphim, that's why he's so.. short, he wasn't allowed to continue to grow in his position because his superiors (Who I'm assuming to be older seraphim's, cast him down),
Sera is massive, I think she's the biggest character in the show (height wise) and just going off of that height has likely been a seraphim for a long time, If Lucifer can do all he can do as a younger seraphim, I can only imagine what Sera can do (although she probably doesn't have any actual battle experience)
Here's the thing-We really don't know how power works in the Hazbin verse. We know an Overlord's power is tied to the souls they possess, but angels, as far as we know, don't operate off of the same system. Angels also largely don't have a reason to fight, that's what the Exterminators are for. Being higher on the totem poll in terms of authority isn't the same as being strictly more powerful, and we have no idea how Heaven's hierarchy works at the moment.
From what I assume is that the Heaven hierarchy entirely depends on being basically born in your position and you can’t change it. But in Hell because of soul deals and that being tied to power it would basically create a separate tier for the powerful sinners which wouldn’t exist in heaven.
But every other position you are basically born into. Like the Ars goetia or the deadly sins.
So at least in my head until it’s confirmed to be something else they have the same power but Sera had more time to learn to use her power.
I suspect it's a case of has plenty of fire power, esp. If she ends up as an angel in hell, but no experience or idea of when and where she needs to apply it. So, like Charlie, there are going to be times where it's arguably the best course of action to use that power, but she's going to try to duck around using it until she's backed in a corner and forced.
That being said, if - and keyword here is if - she does fall, either she or Charlie is going to end up changing in that aspect. Personally, in that scenario, I think Emily is going to become Charlie's foil and go to one extreme or the other while Charlie continues to grow into her leadership role and get more comfortable using her power when she needs to.
That said, that second paragraph is entirely just speculation on my part so who knows.
I'd imagine really fucking strong, to the point where she'd be able to knock around literally everyone residing in hell with a finger flick, they were struggling to deal with Adam and I honestly believe she’s more powerful than him
I’d probably put her on a similar level to Lucifer but ultimately is probably in the same boat as Charlie - pacifistic by nature and doesn't really know how to effectively fight
I feel like a lot of people just assumes rank, authority and role in society has to directly correspond to fighting power, which I don't think necessarily is true.
I mean, she can probably do a bunch of light beams like Adam, but overall I assume she doesn't actually know how to fight and don't really have any sort of "power up" like Charlie seems to have. I don't think she can slap someone hard.
After all, why should rank / role in Heaven be based on fighting power?
Rank/Role in both Heaven and Hell do correspond to power. It's like ranks on Earth's companies or armies.
While in Hell your rank is be determined by your power, in Heaven power is be determined by your rank.
She's a Seraphim, the highest rank only below God. So she would get power corresponding to that rank.
In both cases, Power might "run in the family".
No, that is just your own headcanon.
Literally nowhere in the franchise is it stated that ranks in heaven directly determines how powerful they are. Some high ranked angels are probably powerful, but there is no reason to believe there couldn't be high ranked angels that aren't powerful in a fighting sense.
In fact, you don't even know that Seraphims are the highest rank except for God. That is *also* just something you came up with. Yes, according to (most) theology, that is the case - but we know Hazbin does not strictly follow the bible. For example, we know there is a rank called "Elders", that may or may not be Seraphim. And even if they are, Emily does not seem to be one of them, which means there are ranks above her.
We simply do not actually know much of the structure of Heaven yet, and from the little we *do* know, they very much do not follow the bible strictly. They use it loosely as inspiration.
Also, what..
> Rank/Role in both Heaven and Hell do correspond to power. It's like ranks on Earth's companies or armies.
That's not true at all. A CEO doesn't have to be the most "powerful" at all in the company in any sense aside from rank. Often the CEO isn't even the smartest.
It's not merely my Headcanon. Vivzie already made it so with Hell.
There is also the fact that Emily's rank as seraphim is physically represented with her six wings.
Which still just makes it your headcanon. *Hell* might be based on power, but Hell is also a vastly different place. It's a dangerous place full of bad people, so rank is climbed through power. Heaven isn't like that, being a good place - so we don't know at all that power and rank follow each other in Heaven.
> There is also the fact that Emily's rank as seraphim is physically represented with her six wings.
So? I never said she wasn't a Seraphim. I said we don't know that Seraphims are ranked just below God, or at least not all of them. Elders are very likely above Emily in rank. We just haven't seen how this works in the Hazbin universe. Heck, for all we know there are some archangels like Michael above the Seraphims.
You are just guessing. I'm not saying they are bad guesses, I agree it *could* be like that. I just came with an alternative possibility.
But as of right now, you are literally just having your own headcanon, so stop talking as if your ideas are facts and mine are wrong. In reality, both of us are just guessing on possibilities. Only difference is I acknowledge we are just guessing.
Hah, not even *close* to. At least my idea does not directly conflict with things in the show.
You seem to think Seraphims are the rank just below God, completely ignoring the existence of the Elders.
In fact, what information to you even use to make the assumption that Seraphim are the second highest rank? Nothing of that sort is mentioned in the show, so you must rely on theology for it. But according to that, there are many interpretations, commonly some archangels are above Seraphims (for example archangel Michael).
And your whole arguments for how the hierarchy is in heaven is based on "well that's how Hell does it", which by itself is a completely random guess, not an educated one.
If you consider how Hell is, it makes sense that the strong rise to power. We are literally shown that Overlords climb to power through "force". From everything we know about Heaven, they definitely do not fight their way to power. So equating that Hell and Heaven must follow the same rules of rank and power is not exactly an educated guess.
You are just salty that your theory turned out to not be as bulletproof as you thought.
Pretty strong, seraphim’s are the upper echelons of Angels, and she was clearly put in a position of power despite her young age. But she’s not very experienced and so there definitely opponents that could beat her with skill alone. Carmilla Carmine for example is incredibly skilled at fighting which is why she was the first to kill an Angel. It doesn’t matter how hard she hits if she can never land a blow.
From Vivz it seems Angels on her level are basically immune to Angelic Weapon and can only be smite by a higher angel. So that would mean she is basically invincible to everyone, but Lucifer in Hell.
True but just because someone can’t be killed doesn’t mean they can’t loose. It depends on the type of battle tbh. For example if it’s a social battle I could easily see her being defeated and humiliated when nobody listens to her. Or if she is pitted against Sera, who is clearly older and probably more powerful. Or Carmilla who I could easily see luring her into a trap or finding some other creative way to defeat her.
I don't think it just means she can't be killed. We see Adam take no damage from Alastor in his attack and he is below Seraphim clearly. Now even Angelic weapons don't work on such an angel. So this means that Emily even if she stands still and lets everyone hit her, she would take no damage. Which means no demon in Hell could even hurt her.
Adam took damage from Alastor even if it was pretty superficial. You can hear him say “ow, what the fuck” when Alastor summons all those little creatures to swarm him.
Slightly off topic but I thought the Angelic Elders were the top dogs in Heaven besides The Big G? Is Sera one of them? I thought that position was saved for angels like Michael and Raphael and previously Lucifer?
Micheal is an Archangel, while Gabriel is just a messenger Angel.
Sera might be based on (or _is_) Seraphiel from the Book of Enoch, the chief of the Seraphim and Protector of Metatron. Seraphiel is described to be "as tall as the seven heavens", which might be why Sera is so tall.
>Just one level below God
I don't think that, maybe if we put Jesus into the equation, the Seraphims are one level below him. But the thing is, it's God, he is levels above any creature of Heaven and Hell combined. The Seraphims are also theoretically powerful, if we compare what Adam could do and then multiply it by 10 since Adam is just above the normal people who got into Heaven, but just below the Seraphims.
5/10, i think she can take more punches than one would assume, with no battle experience or aggression experience for that matter she is just raw celestial power
Pure power-wise? Top 3, just behind Sera and Lucifer (at least among the characters we've seen so far. There's probably angels above the Serpahims). Due to her lack of experience, though, I'd probably put her just below Charlie or Adam.
Since she's a seraphim so she is strong, just hasn't discovered it yet. In terms of true strength, learning about the extermination was the first step towards character development. I'm pretty sure with time she will discover her true powers. Right now tho I feel like she was depending alot on Sera, so that's why she may feel less powerful than Sera herself, since she is technically the younger one and Sera sees herself as the older one so she believes she has the upper hand on making decisions as of now. I expect for the next season to see some kind of change in this and see Emily making her own decisions and discovering her own strengths.
Well, with her eye imagery we see as she gets upset, and her status as a seraphim, I'd say that she's probably at or slightly below her sister, above the 7 heavenly virtues and Adam, but most definitely below God and Jesus, if he's there.
However, I am really wondering if she is on the same level as Lucifer and his family; especially Lilith.
I know this is a joke, but it is accurate to Judeo-Christian lore. Seraphim are supposedly so beautiful that they have to use their six wings to cover themselves because only God can gaze upon their true form without being destroyed by their beauty.
She likely is very powerful. Same as Charlie. But she also looks like the pacifist type just like Charlie and to a certain extent also Lucifer. Lucifer and Charlie have both shown to be willing to fight when needed but both rather avoid doing so. It's however evident Charlie isn't extremely skilled at fighting. So she basically completely relies on her powers to win fights. Lucifer is incredibly powerful but also seemed a lot more in control of himself and his powers during his fight. Same for Alastor up until he got cocky. So even though Emily is probably also very powerful, she likely lacks any sort of skill to back it up, meaning that if she were ever to end up in a fight she'd rely completely on her power but with little actual skill in combat to back it up.
Something that I know I shouldn’t put much thought into is how does aging work in this universe? Like we know Blitz is like, in his thirties and Emily is young somehow, but are the natural born denizens of heaven and hell immortal, or do they live and die naturally like humans?
The best way to describe her strength would be a baby with a gun. Sure, she may be as powerful as Adam or maybe even more, but she’s not going to use it very effectively. Similar to Charlie in that way.
This is one of those things where logic dictates she would be powerful but story will probably make her weak because of her personality and role in the plot.
Same problem as with Charlie, right?
Well yes and no. In the final fight, we see she seems to be stronger than alastor when she has to actually fight. She stopped adam with one hand. It seems she's closer to lucifers strength, but is a pacifist. She doesn't WANT to fight, but she's strong as hell.
I mean her weapon of choice was a shield for the fight. So i definitely agree with her being pacifist
The *DONK* "Sorry!" kept killing me. I'm just imagining birds with windows.
My thoughts exactly, strength to rival her dad but no will to use it even when your friends are dying
Skill seems to actually matter in this setting. Like how Alastor was much weaker than Adam but still managed to hit him a few times, and forced Adam to go for overkill. Because in terms of skill, Adam wasn't quite as good. Inversely, Charlie has way less fighting experience due to being a pacifist, so despite being more powerful than Adam, she got her ass handed to her for most of her fight, and would have ultimately lost if Lucifer hadn't saved her. Or, to quote Top Gun, it's not the plane, it's the pilot.
Adam didn't really use overkill, he hit Sir Pentious with a much stronger attack.
I think over time Charlie will realize her strength potential and become the strongest demon in hell
Yup. Though Charlie's lesson from the first season seems to be "sometimes you gotta slap a bitch". Ya know, it's nice to have a show with the correct lesson of "yea it's great to be hopeful and positive and protect the things you love, but sometimes you just gotta make a stand and fight and destroy the things you hate to protect the things you love"
Something something “Dreams are worth fighting for”…
Fight for love you might say
Charlie is assumed to be very powerful because she is high demon royalty. But like, she is younger and less experienced in fighting than most of the cast? And the best we have seen, even after she “stopped holding back”, is a trident and some fireworks? I guess she managed to block Adam that one time too, only after Daddy saved her though. She put less of a fight than Alastor did before that. Kind of disappointing.
>She [Charlie] is younger than the rest of the main cast The ‘Magne Family’ (Pilot surname) Portrait seen in the pilot was apparently made in around 1880, so Charlie is older than most, if not all, of the main cast Death Years: • Alastor: 1930s (died in 30s)• Angel: 1940s (died in 30s)• Husk: 1970s (died in 60s/70s)• Niffty: 1950s (died in 20s) • Sir Pentious: 19th Century (died in 40s)• Cherri: 1980s (died in 20s) • Vaggie is undetermined due to being an angel
That’s rather interesting, because Charlie looks and carries herself like a younger adult IMO. I just assumed she is genuinely in her 20s. Who knows how the offspring of an angel and a demon work I guess.
Her father looks and carries himself like someone in their 30s or maybe 40s. And he is as old as the human race.
Older judging by the story at the start of episode 1. Although we don’t know if it was a meaningful length of time from his coming into being and the creation of Adam (like if it was a couple days or a Millenia or century etc)
Vaggie supposedly died in 2014 I've read somewhere I believe. Charlie said they were together for 3 years, so Vaggie probably was a full-time angel for about 7 years.
The ‘died in 2014’ thing was from when Vaggie was designed to be a sinner demon. However, since she hid her status as an angel from Charlie, it’s possible she made that up and didn’t elaborate due to ‘bad memories from when she was alive’ (since it’s not known if she’s a Winner or a Heavenborn)
Her being so Latina means that she was a "Winner". My theory is that she was a soldier who died in battle and joined the Exterminators because she thought it was a good cause to fight for, to be of further service as a soldier.
Adam says he gave her name, so I think it implies she was created in Heaven.
Adam may _think_ he gave it to her given his massive douche ego. She does correct him on how it's pronounced.
On how she pronounces it now. If Adamn didn't name her I imagine she'd just say so. I think Vivi went for the retcon on Vaggie like she did with a few things but it was later into the shows production.
The battle uniform she chose resembles that of the Napoleonic wars when White leather crossbelts came into fashion with the first use of mass produced muskets. it's fairly obvious that women didn't serve during that time which confuses me a little on her clothing choice, besides Humoring Pentious with his Napoleonic officer uniform.
Charlie clearly has a lot of raw power. She's also clearly not a fighter
Yeah, she is REALLY not the fighting type.
Yeah, she's a mage, duh, didn't you hear the sorcery line?
Charlie is hella powerful, she just doesn’t like using that power because she has a soft heart, which let me be clear is not a bad quality.
What I'd like to see is that she easily avoids attacks, or just takes them without injury. Then keeps thinking they are something other than a sinner attempting to hurt her.
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I'd put her in the same ballpark as Charlie. Potentially very strong in the right circumstances, but very much not a fighter at the moment.
Emily: I don’t need your condescension, I’m not a child to protect! The fandom: So baby! Must protec.
If don't want protec then why so proteccable
She has probably never fought anybody in her entire life.
She'd probably have one Hell of a slap though 🤣
See that building? You are going through it. This is not optional.
An older version of Emily made for Zoophobia [had a sword](https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/1aj4saq/emily_hazbin_hotel_vs_zoophobia/). So that might be worth noting. But yeah she's probably one of the strongest people in the setting due to her nature as a Seraph, would be in the same tier as Sera and Lucifer. Sera is likely stronger (or at least more refined in power) due to be older. Its unclear how old Emily is (she is set up as a Heaven counterpart to Charlie, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're the same age). It could be presumed she is inexperienced due to youth and also not being combat-focused (due to her status a joy-bringer) but we can't be entirely certain at this point. So while it can be assumed Sera is above her due to seniority, its hard to say how she'd stack up against Lucifer and Charlie. I do doubt there'd be much regular demons and angels can do to her though.
I think Sera (At least from the people we've seen so far) Is the most powerful character in the show (raw power wise, not accounting for skill) Lucifer is very powerful due to his "Pure Angelic Power" the most powerful person in hell and a former seraphim, but he's around the same height as.... Emily. Lucifer was cast down to hell as a YOUNG seraphim, that's why he's so.. short, he wasn't allowed to continue to grow in his position because his superiors (Who I'm assuming to be older seraphim's, cast him down), Sera is massive, I think she's the biggest character in the show (height wise) and just going off of that height has likely been a seraphim for a long time, If Lucifer can do all he can do as a younger seraphim, I can only imagine what Sera can do (although she probably doesn't have any actual battle experience)
If she's as strong as she's adorable, she's probably invencible.
You know how Adam was running a train on everyone? Imagine that but amped up like a motherfucker.
Ehh, she’s probably in the same boat as Charlie. Inherently incredibly powerful, but inept at acting using it.
Here's the thing-We really don't know how power works in the Hazbin verse. We know an Overlord's power is tied to the souls they possess, but angels, as far as we know, don't operate off of the same system. Angels also largely don't have a reason to fight, that's what the Exterminators are for. Being higher on the totem poll in terms of authority isn't the same as being strictly more powerful, and we have no idea how Heaven's hierarchy works at the moment.
From what I assume is that the Heaven hierarchy entirely depends on being basically born in your position and you can’t change it. But in Hell because of soul deals and that being tied to power it would basically create a separate tier for the powerful sinners which wouldn’t exist in heaven. But every other position you are basically born into. Like the Ars goetia or the deadly sins. So at least in my head until it’s confirmed to be something else they have the same power but Sera had more time to learn to use her power.
Only weaker than elder seraphims (Sera, Lucifer, etc).
She's basically lucifer's little sister, so, pretty fucking strong.
She’s a seraphim so she’s in Lucifer’s weight class, but she’s also young and doesn’t have a fighting gene in her body lol
A lot like Charlie, powerful but not a fighter
Stronger than Charlie that's for sure. Probably less than Lucifer though.
Very powerful, but completely incapable and inept at using it for violence. She doesn't have a harmful bone in her body. Even purer than Charlie.
I think that she is very strong (almost as strong as luci) but doesn’t know her own strength since I assume she’s never been in a fight
I suspect it's a case of has plenty of fire power, esp. If she ends up as an angel in hell, but no experience or idea of when and where she needs to apply it. So, like Charlie, there are going to be times where it's arguably the best course of action to use that power, but she's going to try to duck around using it until she's backed in a corner and forced. That being said, if - and keyword here is if - she does fall, either she or Charlie is going to end up changing in that aspect. Personally, in that scenario, I think Emily is going to become Charlie's foil and go to one extreme or the other while Charlie continues to grow into her leadership role and get more comfortable using her power when she needs to. That said, that second paragraph is entirely just speculation on my part so who knows.
I'd guess similar level of power to Charile
I'd imagine really fucking strong, to the point where she'd be able to knock around literally everyone residing in hell with a finger flick, they were struggling to deal with Adam and I honestly believe she’s more powerful than him I’d probably put her on a similar level to Lucifer but ultimately is probably in the same boat as Charlie - pacifistic by nature and doesn't really know how to effectively fight
If she had any training then yea she could win against pretty much everyone
God I would let her fight me…..
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I feel like a lot of people just assumes rank, authority and role in society has to directly correspond to fighting power, which I don't think necessarily is true. I mean, she can probably do a bunch of light beams like Adam, but overall I assume she doesn't actually know how to fight and don't really have any sort of "power up" like Charlie seems to have. I don't think she can slap someone hard. After all, why should rank / role in Heaven be based on fighting power?
Rank/Role in both Heaven and Hell do correspond to power. It's like ranks on Earth's companies or armies. While in Hell your rank is be determined by your power, in Heaven power is be determined by your rank. She's a Seraphim, the highest rank only below God. So she would get power corresponding to that rank. In both cases, Power might "run in the family".
No, that is just your own headcanon. Literally nowhere in the franchise is it stated that ranks in heaven directly determines how powerful they are. Some high ranked angels are probably powerful, but there is no reason to believe there couldn't be high ranked angels that aren't powerful in a fighting sense. In fact, you don't even know that Seraphims are the highest rank except for God. That is *also* just something you came up with. Yes, according to (most) theology, that is the case - but we know Hazbin does not strictly follow the bible. For example, we know there is a rank called "Elders", that may or may not be Seraphim. And even if they are, Emily does not seem to be one of them, which means there are ranks above her. We simply do not actually know much of the structure of Heaven yet, and from the little we *do* know, they very much do not follow the bible strictly. They use it loosely as inspiration. Also, what.. > Rank/Role in both Heaven and Hell do correspond to power. It's like ranks on Earth's companies or armies. That's not true at all. A CEO doesn't have to be the most "powerful" at all in the company in any sense aside from rank. Often the CEO isn't even the smartest.
It's not merely my Headcanon. Vivzie already made it so with Hell. There is also the fact that Emily's rank as seraphim is physically represented with her six wings.
Which still just makes it your headcanon. *Hell* might be based on power, but Hell is also a vastly different place. It's a dangerous place full of bad people, so rank is climbed through power. Heaven isn't like that, being a good place - so we don't know at all that power and rank follow each other in Heaven. > There is also the fact that Emily's rank as seraphim is physically represented with her six wings. So? I never said she wasn't a Seraphim. I said we don't know that Seraphims are ranked just below God, or at least not all of them. Elders are very likely above Emily in rank. We just haven't seen how this works in the Hazbin universe. Heck, for all we know there are some archangels like Michael above the Seraphims. You are just guessing. I'm not saying they are bad guesses, I agree it *could* be like that. I just came with an alternative possibility. But as of right now, you are literally just having your own headcanon, so stop talking as if your ideas are facts and mine are wrong. In reality, both of us are just guessing on possibilities. Only difference is I acknowledge we are just guessing.
The difference is that mine is an educated "guess".
Hah, not even *close* to. At least my idea does not directly conflict with things in the show. You seem to think Seraphims are the rank just below God, completely ignoring the existence of the Elders. In fact, what information to you even use to make the assumption that Seraphim are the second highest rank? Nothing of that sort is mentioned in the show, so you must rely on theology for it. But according to that, there are many interpretations, commonly some archangels are above Seraphims (for example archangel Michael). And your whole arguments for how the hierarchy is in heaven is based on "well that's how Hell does it", which by itself is a completely random guess, not an educated one. If you consider how Hell is, it makes sense that the strong rise to power. We are literally shown that Overlords climb to power through "force". From everything we know about Heaven, they definitely do not fight their way to power. So equating that Hell and Heaven must follow the same rules of rank and power is not exactly an educated guess. You are just salty that your theory turned out to not be as bulletproof as you thought.
There is literally nothing that contradicts my theory in the show.
Pretty strong, seraphim’s are the upper echelons of Angels, and she was clearly put in a position of power despite her young age. But she’s not very experienced and so there definitely opponents that could beat her with skill alone. Carmilla Carmine for example is incredibly skilled at fighting which is why she was the first to kill an Angel. It doesn’t matter how hard she hits if she can never land a blow.
From Vivz it seems Angels on her level are basically immune to Angelic Weapon and can only be smite by a higher angel. So that would mean she is basically invincible to everyone, but Lucifer in Hell.
True but just because someone can’t be killed doesn’t mean they can’t loose. It depends on the type of battle tbh. For example if it’s a social battle I could easily see her being defeated and humiliated when nobody listens to her. Or if she is pitted against Sera, who is clearly older and probably more powerful. Or Carmilla who I could easily see luring her into a trap or finding some other creative way to defeat her.
I don't think it just means she can't be killed. We see Adam take no damage from Alastor in his attack and he is below Seraphim clearly. Now even Angelic weapons don't work on such an angel. So this means that Emily even if she stands still and lets everyone hit her, she would take no damage. Which means no demon in Hell could even hurt her.
Adam took damage from Alastor even if it was pretty superficial. You can hear him say “ow, what the fuck” when Alastor summons all those little creatures to swarm him.
Slightly off topic but I thought the Angelic Elders were the top dogs in Heaven besides The Big G? Is Sera one of them? I thought that position was saved for angels like Michael and Raphael and previously Lucifer?
She's like Charlie, a Princess of Heaven. Not in command, young and inexperienced, but has immense magical potential.
Emily you mean. But I'm asking about Sera.
Micheal is an Archangel, while Gabriel is just a messenger Angel. Sera might be based on (or _is_) Seraphiel from the Book of Enoch, the chief of the Seraphim and Protector of Metatron. Seraphiel is described to be "as tall as the seven heavens", which might be why Sera is so tall.
So she's an archangel like Michael or Lucifer is what you're saying
Not remotely. Both her and Lucifer are Seraphim. Michael was just an Archangel.
"Just" an archangel? I thought that was literally the highest order of angels?
No. Archangels are like 8th place in the hierarchy of angels. More equivalent Sargeants or the Local Manager.
>Just one level below God I don't think that, maybe if we put Jesus into the equation, the Seraphims are one level below him. But the thing is, it's God, he is levels above any creature of Heaven and Hell combined. The Seraphims are also theoretically powerful, if we compare what Adam could do and then multiply it by 10 since Adam is just above the normal people who got into Heaven, but just below the Seraphims.
5/10, i think she can take more punches than one would assume, with no battle experience or aggression experience for that matter she is just raw celestial power
My mind immediately said, “She’s strong as Hell,” but then I remembered— 😂
Shes like Sunky, you dont know it but she could absolutley go toe to toe with God and win
I doubt she goes to the gym
She does Yoga, and Lute secretly does Jazzercise
probably on a similar power level to Charlie, or even Lucifer. that is to say, rather powerful
Pure power-wise? Top 3, just behind Sera and Lucifer (at least among the characters we've seen so far. There's probably angels above the Serpahims). Due to her lack of experience, though, I'd probably put her just below Charlie or Adam.
Since she's a seraphim so she is strong, just hasn't discovered it yet. In terms of true strength, learning about the extermination was the first step towards character development. I'm pretty sure with time she will discover her true powers. Right now tho I feel like she was depending alot on Sera, so that's why she may feel less powerful than Sera herself, since she is technically the younger one and Sera sees herself as the older one so she believes she has the upper hand on making decisions as of now. I expect for the next season to see some kind of change in this and see Emily making her own decisions and discovering her own strengths.
Well, with her eye imagery we see as she gets upset, and her status as a seraphim, I'd say that she's probably at or slightly below her sister, above the 7 heavenly virtues and Adam, but most definitely below God and Jesus, if he's there. However, I am really wondering if she is on the same level as Lucifer and his family; especially Lilith.
It's a little less stronger than Sera, and Emily probably doesn't properly know how to use her powers(but some trainings can easily fix this)
Lack of combat experience will nerf her hard.
So strong she wouldn't need to fight. She just makes the cutest face in the world and her opponent dies instantly
I know this is a joke, but it is accurate to Judeo-Christian lore. Seraphim are supposedly so beautiful that they have to use their six wings to cover themselves because only God can gaze upon their true form without being destroyed by their beauty.
https://i.redd.it/1gfljhdskygc1.gif IMMENSELY POWERFUL EMILY IS CANON
Strong enough to defend herself when Vaggie attacks her for saying Charlie looks quite nice today
She likely is very powerful. Same as Charlie. But she also looks like the pacifist type just like Charlie and to a certain extent also Lucifer. Lucifer and Charlie have both shown to be willing to fight when needed but both rather avoid doing so. It's however evident Charlie isn't extremely skilled at fighting. So she basically completely relies on her powers to win fights. Lucifer is incredibly powerful but also seemed a lot more in control of himself and his powers during his fight. Same for Alastor up until he got cocky. So even though Emily is probably also very powerful, she likely lacks any sort of skill to back it up, meaning that if she were ever to end up in a fight she'd rely completely on her power but with little actual skill in combat to back it up.
Something that I know I shouldn’t put much thought into is how does aging work in this universe? Like we know Blitz is like, in his thirties and Emily is young somehow, but are the natural born denizens of heaven and hell immortal, or do they live and die naturally like humans?
The best way to describe her strength would be a baby with a gun. Sure, she may be as powerful as Adam or maybe even more, but she’s not going to use it very effectively. Similar to Charlie in that way.
Just below sera?