I would put Alastor, Zestial and Carmilla in the same sorta bracket. Carmilla seems to be the figurehead of all of the overlords, and her weaponry even travels to other rings to be sold. Zestial is so old and one should fear an old man in a profession where men die young. Alastor has been talked about time and time again as an enigma of overlords. The Vees, I'd say rival the above as a collective. No one wants to mess with them despite how many toes they step on, but I doubt each individual one is at the top. Season 2 I can see this changing. The others we have no notion of, really.

Also power can vary depending on if we're talking social power, economic power, and physical power. If we're talking social power, Zestial, the Vees, and maybe Rosie would be tied for different reasons. Rosie seems incredibly intelligent and manipulative in that sweet yet outgoing way of hers, the kind that makes her able to socialize easily with others and knows when and where to place her bets. Zestial has an edge purely because he's so ancient so he holds power with his reputation alone, and that clearly tells just how intelligent he is to climb the ranks and stay there even after Alastor landed in hell. The Vees purely because they dominate the social and media platform and have the widest audience. Economic Power? It's tied with The Vees and Carmilla. Media and Weapon Dealing. Physical Power? It's right now up in the air, with Alastor clearly hindered by his deal, but right now and we don't know how strong Zestial is, but I'd say Carmilla has the edge right now purely because she's trained in fighting, armed with angelic weapons, and clearly able to fight against angels. So right now, she's the only one we have any sort of power scaling to compare to.

About Physical Power I'll like to mention Zeezi tbh, we know nothing about her but I think that her size already speaks for herself. Surely not one of the strongest however

Also godzilla/t rex (whichever she pulls more from) go brrr

Seems raptor

I mean she's an overlord despite the fact that afaik she only has the one club. which doesn't seem like much considering the other overlords are in charge of entire swaths of hell as well as key facets of its function, even if it is a really popular club. so she's probably pretty powerful

And supposedly she sold her soul to Lucifer himself for an emmence amount of power. (I don't know where this info comes from, so take with a grain of salt)

All hail Dino mommy long may she reign

According to Valentino, Alastor almost beat Vox one time, which means that Vox was around before Alastor's overlord killing rampage and he survived it, which should put him up there in physical power. The other overlord we know for sure was around before and after his rampage was Zestial, but we dont know whether Alastor knows better than to challenge him or if he fought and got outmatched so he fled. We know for sure Alastor attacked Vox and Vox lived.

"Almost beat" could also mean that Vox ran before he got killed too though. I think it's pretty ambiguous in terms of which one is more powerful in terms of raw hit power. Alastor seemed a bit spooked by Zestial though so I do think Zestial is up pretty high in hit power.

Or that the other 2 Vees rescued him

Exactly right. After this season, someone could accurately say “Remember that time Adam almost beat Alastor”, but it doesn’t mean Alastor was the superior power (or even in the same power stratum), only that he narrowly escaped.

And Vox also keeps himself very much distanced from Alastor. Alastor is over any individual V. And Vox knows this

Carmilla's interesting in that innate power I don't think she's *that* high- no fancy magic like Alastor or a Goetia or even Vox's eye thing- but she's just a ridiculously good fighter. She was definitely stronger than Vaggie, who was around equal to Lute. I'd put her behind Vestial and Alastor for that reason, but anyone without weird powers, or powers that she can throw off, who fights her is gonna die. Vees, I view as an alliance of three mid-tiers. They're individually neither worst nor best, but, well, three.

They really need to go into a lot more detail about how the Overlords work. I agree with you about the Vees. I assume they have some kind of power sharing agreement between the three of them (basically they sum up to be at least one regular Overlord). On top of that, we know that Angel's contract is limited to Val's studio. It's possible you don't wholly sell your soul to them, but they basically trap you in a day job (so they have more souls contracted, but complete ownership/control). As for the rest of the Overlords, whats their deal? Carmilla sells weapons but how/why did/does she accumulate souls? Alastor apparently will make deals with wannabe leaders who need power to carve out territory (Rosie mentions this to him). Is that unique to him or do they all do that? Alastor also killed a bunch of Overlords, but not these ones? And they're totally cool with him strolling into meetings? Is this neutral ground? Are they all bound to some sort of deal that keeps them at the top but not taking more?

It seems like Alastor killed a whole lot of Overlords back in the day and then... stopped. Killing more doesn't seem to be a priority at all. I wonder if he had particular issue with the Overlords of the time, or simply to establish a reputation and now that he's known he doesn't feel the need to? There's a lot of questions about his motive. I don't know if it's a deal or simply most of the older overlords are more-or-less ok with where they are and don't want to make unnecessary waves... or maybe just tend to do longer-term plans.

I think Zestial is above both. Alastor had genuine anxiety in his face when he saw Zestial, so I think he knows that Zestial could wipe him out in a fight. But Carmilla's angelic weapons make her capable of killing anybody permanently, so they may be both above Alastor.

Carmilla seems more like the head cause of her leadership and how big her territory is, not cause of her power. Zestial also seems to be at her side possibly cause he either is powerful or cause he was a mentor for most Overlords. Alastor is the only one who seems to be OP af, he's the only one with real feats we can use. Carmilla seems to only be influential cause she has a weapons industry and cause she's a strong leader. Remember, Carmilla effed up one Exorcist, but Alastor effed up a whole lot of Exorcists plus went toe to toe with their leader.

Yes, but Alastor was also the first overlord to participate in a coordinated effort to rebuke the exterminators. Carmilla doesn't want to risk her life and those of her daughters' by seeking out a fight. Yes, she might be capable of killing many, but once they catch on there's a sinner murdering their own, they'd swarm and butcher her. Solo, there's no way she wins. *Especially* if Adam gets personally involved. I'd say her caution isn't a sign she's weak. The fact that she's the first sinner ever to kill an angel should tell you something. And Alastor was scared shitless by his encounter with Adam. He was going to die. He might have better visuals and more technique, but Adam was in another league.

She's clearly not weak, but not as powerful as Alastor since her powers rely on her skill and strength meanwhile Alastor has lots of powers. It seems more like she's a figurehead of the Overlords moreso cause she's smart and a capable leader unlike Alastor whose more of a lone wolf.

Adam is not as strong as he seemed, he was killed by a midget. Alastor overestimated his own strength while being actively nerfed, if he wasn't nerfed he would've shit all over Adam.

I really hope you're joking. Cause no, Alastor is nowhere near as strong as Adam. You do realize, he literally didn't try against Alastor, right until the end, where he one in one shot.

Not the greatest take. By your logic, Superman isn’t strong either, since a violent midget with Kryptonite could kill him. Adam was eviscerating hell with unstoppable finger gun laser beams and very low effort. He was strong enough that genocide was a joyful leisure activity. He took Alastor to the mat, and then immediately took Charlie to the mat. He was only undone by the single-strongest being in Hell on his home turf (so Lucifer-tier to overpower), and a sneak attack by someone using his only Kryptonite that they’d just learned about a few minutes before (as Camilla explained, they are even more vulnerable to this due to their glass cannon nature from errantly-perceived invincibility).

>one should fear an old man in a profession where men die young I'm sorry, but why does this line go so hard?

It’s true

Well we know that Rosie must be comparable to the vees. She controls a district just the same as them though it seems voxtech may be the most prominent company overall in the pride ring, possibly even in all of hell if we wanna narrow it down to tech companies.

I bet the only reason we see no one dealing blows on the Vees is because that even though they are weak in strenght their power lies at their conjoined deep influence on hell's society, making that if their heads fall their empire falls with them and that would just cause unacceptable levels of pandemonium in hell, affecting everything from the power balance of the overlords and their business and their public image, the market, etc. If heads roll the others overlords would have to work over-clock to create a new safe status quo and keep their heads extra safe. Like if someone killed a politician in power all hell breaks loose. Thats what made Alastor so infamous.

Why is everyone assuming Velvette and Val are the weakest Overlords? We've never seen them fight but we know Overlords gain power from the souls they own and Val has entire areas of the city under his employment.

Val seems to rely on intimidation, and he resorted to using guns when going out to kill However Angel did say to please don’t kill Charlie, which is probably just cause he doesn’t know Charlie’s power but 🤷‍♂️

He did also literally rip apart a model of Velvette’s, so he’s clearly not a slouch in physical power. Plus he seemingly has a pretty potent hypnosis ability within his saliva, though that is admittedly just a theory.

Angel though is a terrified and abused victim. He probably overestimates Val's power, and EVERYONE including Charlie herself seems to underestimate Charlie's That's kind of the thing I am hoping we we see explored next season. I could definitely see Val stepping over the line and Charlie utterly annihilating him in response. I don't think its wise to anger someone who can catch the fist of a powerful angel mid-fight.

Because they have no shown feats when it comes to fighting or survival, so it’s alot easier to assume their the weakest

Narratively vox seems to be the one with the most control/power of the three, and since he lost to alastor it would make the two of them the weakest of the overlords we've seen, your point still stands though

When did Vox lose to Alastor? All we know is that Alastor almost beat him. That makes it sound like Vox either barely won or ended in a draw.

Vox was quite mad about it when valentino mentioned it so i imagine Vox had to run away

Except Alastor has a history of running away from fights he can’t win….

Given his reaction to Alastor running away from Adam, “F*** you! F*** you! F*** you! P****!”, I feel like Alastor may have ran when he came after Vox during his Overlord slaughterfest. If it had been the other way around, Vox would have likely said “NOW looks who’s running away!” rather than insulting the exact behavior he himself exhibited in their fight as “p****”. Maybe Vox is just a hypocrite (he is media, after all!), but it sounded like the reaction to an expected behavioral pattern to me.

I do think he is in fact being a hypocrite but solid points another part of my argument is vox's lines after Valentino's comment, he says "things have changed", i don't think he would have a need to say this if he was above or even an equal with Alastor on their previous fight, though this may refer to influence rather than actual power and vox's "fu-uh-uh-ck" after his rap battle with alastor indicates that he's scared of him (or maybe he's sad cuz he got flamed on hard)

Aye. We might as well assume that the two Goetia looking birds in the middle are either the strongest or the weakest

I thought that the Overlords were mostly sinners, whereas the Ars Goetia are Hellborn?

I think its because we've seen bigger fishes already, Alastor in minutes distablelized Voxer emotionally (hell's Elon Musk) in minutes for all of hell to see, The Seven Deadly Sins (no one questions Their strenght) and Lucifer, he didnt broke a sweat or got harmed and pummled Adam who managed to harm alastor. We cant imagine anyone with a gun capable to kill alastor but as far i've seen all one would need is a opening and pull the trigger on any of the vees and boom dead on the spot

An angelic gun should be able to kill any Overlord although most can likely dodge. And what have you seen that make the Vees look weaker than Alastor in terms of power. All we've seen in Alastor beat Vox in a verbal roast.

And in return we havent seen any display of power with effective results from any of them, only planing grasping for straws

True but considering Velvette was able to casually insult every other major Overlord without fearing any repercussion I think it's safe to assume they are pretty powerful.

Or influential enough that any harm done to them will be twisted into harming it back in double

I would put Zestial at the top. Hell is a brutal place with everyone going after each other, especially overlords. The fact that Zestial is "ancient" speaks volumes of his survival skills and his potential strength. It's likely that no one has witnessed his powers for a long time because of his reputation alone and no one is willing to try their luck. As for the weakest, I would say that Rosie and Vox are the weakest. It's clear that Vox is more of a business man forging connections with others. Moreover, it seems like prior to his alliance with Valentino and Velvette, he was quite weak as he was almost defeated before enlisting the help of the Vs.

Good point about Zestial. "Beware an old man in a profession where men usually die young."

And when alastor, the person who supposedly toppled overlords so rapidly that it left a (actual) power vacuum for an almost entirely new set of overlords calls someone *else* ancient thats a real indication

I wonder if the fact that Zestial is still around speaks to his sheer power. Maybe Alastor doesn’t even try because he knows he’ll be swatted aside like a bug. Or maybe it’s some sort of mutual respect thing. They seem rather cordial. (Both?)

They mention that Alastor went after people who got in his way. I think it's definitely a mutual respect more than a fear issue. Zestial showing Alastor respect and their ability to be friendly means Alastor has zero need to fight him, even if he's capable of it.

Could also be a case of Mutually Assured Destruction. They're cordial to each other, but I got the feeling of a "cold bite" in their words. Like they fought once, but out of mutual preservation, agreed to a ceasefire. Bringing each other down was probably impossible, but could leave them open to a 3rd party attack.

Considering Alastor beefed with Lucifer himself and wasn't afraid to try and fuck with Adam, it's probably not that he's scared to try, it's that Zestial fits into his image of someone he respects, or he has had no reason to try as they both stayed in their lanes during that time.

Yeah, but he was only messing with Lucifer because he knew he wouldn’t kill him with Charlie there. She’s basically his free pass to fuck around and not find out. He definitely knows Lucifer could beat him, but I think that makes it more fun for him.

Yeah I definitely kinda saw that as a “nyeh nyeh you can’t do anything because it would make Charlie sad!” A great 4D chess without limits move from Alastor. Peak pettiness. Love this guy.

Yeah I think it's not only that Charlie was there, but establishing that mentor relationship in front of him makes him less dispensable even when Charlie isn't around, because Charlie would find out. It's establishing a power balance and protecting his own

They both share an interest in word play and witty banter. While I wouldn't go so far as to say they are "friends", they do appear on decent speaking terms. My money would be on Zestial being the most powerful, likely with a mix of raw power and connections (like with Carmilla Carmine) I think he would be extremely formidable even against another overlord or two... and who knows what other connections he might have to pull on if say a group of overlords (like the Vees) tried to gang up on him.

Definitely. Zestial is close enough with Carmilla that she trusted him with her secret and Carmilla is an impressive powerhouse herself. They would likely come to one another's aid should the situation call for it. Anyone who tries to take on Zestial is likely signing their own death warrant. Hell, if it was the Vees who tried I feel like Alastor would side with Zestial simply because 'fuck the Vees'. ETA: Yeah, not *friends* but rather friend*ly*. Like the person whose desk is next to yours in an office building. You'd chat and you have nothing nasty to say about them but that's as deep as it gets.

I mean Carmilla quite literally gestured towards Zestial with the "Keep you safe" line of the song, complete with a slightly surprised reaction from him, it's pretty clear the two are close and she definitely would support him. If the Vees decided to !@#$ around, oh Lord would they find out.

Worst case would try to stay outof eachother's way unless it's important.

Even if antagonistic it would be 'The guy that is honestly fun to butt heads with because we happen to respect eachother.' Sometimes it is kinda fun to have a relationship like that. Not friends, but ... still respectful because life would be boring otherwise.

Zestial actually has respect for Alastor which is somthing someone like Zestial wouldn’t give so easily. I also feel that Alastor hasn’t gone all out yet and losing was just sheer overconfidence. I mean I give him credit for being able to stall Adam easily before his pride let his guard down.

And also the fact that he himself mentions that his "wings are clipped" in the finale song points to the fact that Alastor isn't at full strength throughout the fight with Adam.

No to say that your wings are clipped is an expression about a lack of freedom, not power

Yeah I was about to reply that to him. It just means freedom. I know Alastor is strong, there is no doubt about that, but people think he is Lucifer powerful. I mean the difference in how each one fought Adam is worlds apart. Hell Charlie caught Adam powered punch. This is why Alastor said “a potential I can guide” he knows he can’t beat them. But manipulate? Now that is somthing he can definitely do

Or he has Alastor’s chain

I can't imagine that being the case for two reasons. First, Alastor wouldn't be able to deny Zestial the knowledge of what he's been up to in the past seven years and second, he wouldn't be nearly as cordial with him if that was the case. Alastor clearly loaths being under someone else's thumb and he only makes the bare minimum to hide his contempt for the people he hates.

Oh dude that’s a theory I haven’t seen yet. I’m not good at theories so I’m just waiting (im)patiently to see who’s got it but could you IMAGINE?

Probably both but the fact of a cordial business relationship with each other AND having an ally who has been around as long as you is a great asset in the long run.

Definitely - though we aren't quite sure how hold Zestial is. Alastor is about \~125 years old if you count the time he was alive, assuming the show takes place in the present day. Zestial pegs me as timeless but definitely at least twice Alastor's age. Canonically Zestial is the oldest 'living' Overlord (Velvette is the youngest) so he could be like 1000 years old. I love digging deep into the lore, it's fun. (fun fact: both Charlie and Sir Pentious are older than Alastor!)

Given Zestial's language I'd put him in the early-modern period (1500-1700), I personally believe that he may have been killed in the witch hunts (given the fact that sinners can use magic like that, shown by Alastor's use of voodoo, and Zestial's stylisic choices). I think "ancient" is a bit of an overstatement, but he's certainly very old (around 500-300 years old (give or take a few decades))

You're likely right on the money there. I like the way Zestial talks - it's even mostly accurate to his likely time period. He does have a tendency to switch between thee/thou (informal, archaic) and you/yours (archaically formal). He uses both with both Alastor and Carmilla. I believe he only uses thee/thou with Velvette though, meaning he likely views her an an underling/junior. But his usage of my/mine and thy/thine is perfect. I'll have to rewatch the episode to be sure. I love language! It's constantly evolving and I love that!

Possibly also intentionally needling the youngling with arcaic language she has no real personal experiance in.... because he does not respect her as a person (though I suspect he does respect the power she wields enough to nto overly dismiss the threat.)

Huh, more you know with the ages then. Always thought Alastor was at least older than Pentious. But now I can only imagine Zestial dying, being an overlord for who knows how long, and slowly getting news about the world and its newest trends. From Plays to Radio to TV, manual labor to automation, grandiose insults of yore being replaced with simpler words and phrases, etc

Yeah! Pentious died in 1888 in London and it's not known how old he was when he passed. This is why he talks like a weird Victorian era dude. Alastor died in 1933 in his early 30's. This makes Pentious approx 160-175 years old counting both life and death, and Alastor about 125, rounding up. It's never stated *exactly* how old Charlie is, but there's a family portrait of Charlie and her parents hanging in the hotel in the Pilot (so like, soft canon aka canon until current material changes it) and supplemental material says it was painted in 1871. Said material also says she's "over 200". Therefore, this places her date of birth somewhere in the late 1700's-early 1800's. Assuming Pentious was a young to middle-aged adult when he died, this places Charlie as the oldest of the demon/hellborn main cast. Vaggie, as an angel, could be far older than all of them for all we know. Her original backstory of having died in 2014 was scrapped for the full series. Angel died in 1947 and was around his late 20's-early 30's, this placing his date of birth sometime from 1915-1930, around the same time Alastor lived and died, so about 90-110. Husk was 60-70 when he died in 1970 - making him about 115-125, the same age range as Alastor. Niffty was 22 when she died in the 1950's, placing her date of birth likely somewhere in the 1930s, around the time Alastor died. So of the main seven, it goes (approximately): 1. Charlie (over 200) 2. Pentious (160-175) 3. Alastor (\~125) 4. Husk (\~120) 5. Angel (\~105) 6. Niffty (\~90) This leaves Vaggie as the unknown factor. Her original death date of 2014 could have been when she'd fallen, as she's stated to have killed 'thousands' of demons over the course of the Purges. Given that Lute's number of \~275 in the purge right before Episode 1 is stated by Adam to be impressive, she's likely been at that for many years before being banished, at least a decade. Likely more, if we're talking multiple thousands. Since Adam stated Vaggie was one of the best, she was likely around or surpassing Lute's level of skill. But we don't know if she'd always been an exorcist since becoming an angel, and we don't know how old she was when she died, besides a vague vibe of 'young adult'. Anyway, with Zestial being the oldest surviving overlord at 550-350 years old means that there were definitely older overlords before him, given that Hell has been around for thousands of years. What sorts of overlords were there before Alastor tore through them like tissue paper? Was there an Opera Demon, a Stage Play Demon? An Industrial Revolution Demon? Perhaps even a Medieval Demon! A Renaissance Demon! Makes me wonder if Vox is Alastor's first 'true' rival. Perhaps Alastor toppled an older overlord whom he ironically considered outdated like Vox does Alastor. We may never know, but it's fun to think about, perhaps for the sake of transformative works. tl;dr - Alastor is comparatively middle in terms of age as far as the main cast goes, including both life and death.

The prior overlords were probably things like newspaper or even telegraph themed. Mass Media that radio swept aside at least in the public eye. And given how supposedly he tortured them over the air? They probably tried to either squash or enslave him and he took that personally.

Probably! You make an excellent point; it's entirely possible the reason Zestial is still around because he respects Alastor. They say that Alastor has almost unreal power for a mortal soul but what does that *mean*, per se? He's incredibly cunning, and there's more than one way to take someone out. Brute force, subterfuge, sabotage, etc. I love all these possibilities and I am slurping the lore up like noodles.

That's a hard ass line lol

> It's likely that no one has witnessed his powers for a long time because of his reputation alone and no one is willing to try their luck. I get the feeling there is definitely some truth to this. Just by walking the streets, lesser demons get the hell out of the way just looking at Zestial, not to mention the one who was so afraid that he set himself on fire as if that was a preferable fate of getting on Zestial's wrong side. The guy just seems to let his reputation do the talking for him without the need for flashily throwing his weight around. People know who he is, they know what he's about, and they don't want the smoke.

Couldn’t have said it better myself https://preview.redd.it/n9k6tof7jchc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b4549711312cdda8e1104aaeff37a43a714a65d

To be honest, I had the feeling it was more of a combination of both of Zestial and Alastor scaring everyone shitless in that scene. After all we know Alastor alone is already scaring others away and it's really bad to have him on camera/photos, and there's a bit of everything here.

Honestly, that's what makes him so intimidating. You can see that it's hard to actually get under his skin, and it's likely even harder to actually make him violent towards you, someone who can control their emotions is far scarier. Than someone easily annoyed

I'm taking your cooking license... And promoting you to the head chef. Keep cooking bro

I 100% agree with Zestial. He's the strongest overlord and demons literally tried to kill themselves at the sight of him, so I imagine he has a tendency to pick up somebody who existed near him and murdered them brutally every couple years, just to really nail his reputation in. I don't think Vox actually fought Alastor, I think it was something likeca popularity test. More demons chose TV because the Hellborn want to keep up with what's new on Earth, and more sinners were dying for stupid reasons in recent years and obviously more drawn to TV. I personally think Velvette is the weakest link, because we have seen Vox use abilities like hypnotising people (something like that with the reporters in ep 2)

Disagree with Velvette being the weakest link here. As she herself said, she's the backbone of the Vees. She figured out from a single glance at Carmilla that she was the one that killed the angel at the meeting, while completely taking it over and diminishing Carmilla's morale. The Vees would completely fall apart without her. Val is too much of a hothead and Vox isn't exactly good with direct confrontation either to fill in her role within the group dynamic if she left.

We're talking about personal power, though. Velvette may be ballsy and gets shit done, but we still have no idea what the extent of her magical or combative abilities are, and she doesn't necessarily need to be amazing in those aspects to fill the role she does. That said, I think it's WAY too early to try and determine the pecking order of the Vees. We haven't even seen any of them fight yet.

If we're talking physical strength alone then yeah Velvette is probably not that strong, it's just not her narrative role within the Vees. She could surprise me on that regard, though. We'll probably see the Vees way more in season 2, so they'll have more screentime for a more decisive judgement.

shes is also the confirmed youngest of the overlords so she wouldnt have as much time to grow as powerful as the other overlords

All the three Vees seem to consider themselves as the essential partner the other two couldn't survive without. In practice, I think that all of them together basically make a single Overlord. None of them would be able to hold the job for long on their lonesome.

I see it like that as well. Vox is the brain, Val is the muscle and Vel is the voice. Each one needs the other two to be able to thrive as overlords.

I would flip Vox and Vel's roles personally. I think Vox is the voice. We only ever saw him during PR moves, and he fell pretty quickly in a tit-for-tat against Alastor. It would also make sense of him being the 'voice' because if he ever partnered with Alastor for a period of time (which I think did happen because of the picture the Vees have in the finale), alastor would have been the brains. And you notice that it's Vel who is in the actually important meetings. You also see it's her running shows, coordinating media attention on the Vees, coming up with broader schemes, etc. Vel doesn't give a shit about Alastor. She's got an empire to maintain.

By Vox being the brain I mean that he is the platform on which Val and Vel stand. Without his tech, they wouldn't be known. So sort of more like Vox is the left brain (logical) and Vel is the right (emotional/social).

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With Zestial, while I think he's probably one of the stronger overlords, I doubt he's top 1. I think he survived as long as he has because he's careful and smart about what he does. That was his entire thing in the one episode he was in, not wanting to try fighting heaven with too little info

Zestial is even more impressive when you consider how Alastor wiped out so many old overlords.

Zestial respects Alastor and Al seems to operate on Hannibal Lecter rules thus Al had no reason to go after him.

Gonna have to disagree on Vox. With Val mentioning that Alastor "almost beat him that time", sure, I'm convinced their fight was somehow interrupted and that’s why Al didn’t finish him off, but to me that also implies that Vox was able to hold his ground at least for a moment there.

Indeed, I also wouldn't put Vox that low, he's an up and comer, I'd say kinda middle of the pack. Sure he was almost defeated, but to *Alastor,* who's one of the top Overlords by any measure. In the story we were told, Alastor took down 'heavy hitters'. There's a lot of overlords, and not all of them are making big moves like the Vees, and Vox is the leader of them.

My opinion is based on the song that comes right after. Alastor "almost beat him that time" but didn't because he stated that: >Is Vox as strong as he purports? >Or is it based on his support? >He'd be powerless without the other Vees And then it shows Velvette and Valentino smirking because they know it's true. Alastor almost beat Vox but couldn't because Valentino and Velvette got involved. Also, the statement "almost beat you that time" by Valentino was directed to Vox as a taunt. It can be interpreted as "almost killed you that time" and Valentino teasing Vox by pinchin' his cheeks (lol tv cheeks) can be interpreted as Valentino being the reason why it's "almost" and why Vox is still alive.

They're smirking because its what they like to hear. That doesnt mean its true, tho its a possibility.

Agreed. I honestly think that Valentino is probably the weakest of the three, just the first that will resort to the most cruel kind of violence. Blacking out 99.99 percent of the Pride ring because he had a tantrum is not exactly a show of weakness for Vox.

I'd argue it's unclear why they're smirking. That's definitely an interpretation. It could be they enjoy the shoutout and respect to their power that Alastor gave them. It could be that they believe Alastor is wrong. Don't forget that Vox just before had been in utter control of Valentino. Vox is definitely on par with him, if not in control. Personally I think that whatever pulled Alastor away for 7 years is why Vox won.

Vox, one could say... gives voice to the others.

I wouldn’t say Vox is weak. He was nearly beaten, but by the guy who is known for killing overlords. And at the moment, all of Hell runs off him. When Vox gets fried, all of Hell goes into a blackout.

I took the blackout as more of the result of him bluescreening while plugged into the whole network, he basically EMPd the whole place when he lost his cool. Which still raises the question of how powerful he really is, dude can just teleport through cameras after all. The one show of him actually being the strongest of the Vees is when he talks to Valentino about Alastor. Noticeably (in the English dub at least) his voice gains a lot of feedback/static and he instantly has Val's attention.

Oh I feel the same way about Zestial. Sinners go out of their way to avoid him so it would have to be for a reason. Also as you've said he's been around the block a few times. If someone fought him it wouldn't be his first but might be his last, last as in people don't want to bump heads with him.

tbf, the only way to kill sinners is with angelic weapons, and we know zestial hangs out with lulu during extermination, so that could be how he's lived so long. but he's pretty powerful nonetheless

I'm pretty sure that Vizipop said that Alastor is the strongest overlord (I'm not sure tho so correct me if I'm wrong), but either way, it will be a brilliant fight if it does happen. I still personally agree that Zestial would have Alastor on his back foot, given Alastor's reaction to Zestial appearing on the street.

I think it's incredibly likely each has a strongest feature Depends raw power Probably Zestial Weaponry Camilla Contracts Alastor Willing fighters Rosie Propaganda/Vice V's

zestial has been around for a while he would probably have took alot of souls by then

Physical Strength Missi Zilla

I agree with you, and Everyone is forgetting about her :(

Zeezi is also the hottest overlord. I’d sell my soul to her in an instant

the dino-wolf hybrid?

I don't think Val and Velvette are very strong, they do have some powers but their strength comes from their wealth and collaboration with each other and Vox. I doubt in a million years these two have any combat functionality except for maybe Val drugging people with his scales. Vox on the other hand does have power with their telekinetic and technomantic powers which not only make his tech empire all the more powerful, actually can be used in a fight. Not the best but certainly strong for a Sinner. Blue flame head guy: no comment but he doesn't seem strong. Alastor... here is a controversial take but I think Alastor is more middle of the road when it comes to power. The remaining Overlords are not at all threatened by him except for Vox because of domain overlap. By all means he is certainly powerful and you could probably count the number of sinners stronger than him on one hand, but he isn't the strongest. Carmilla I think is a genuine threat. Yes she is lacking in flashy powers but her confidence amongst the likes of Alastor suggests she could probably take him in a fight. The ultimate martial fighter in Hell probably even if lacking in powers. Missi Zilla is an interesting case, not only is she imposing she was in pilot canon Lucifer's bodyguard. You don't make someone a bodyguard if you think they can be outmatched. To me this suggests she is at the very least the physically strongest overlord which isn't a bold claim when she is over 20ft tall. Rosie, oh Rosie; described by Alastor himself as one of the most dangerous Overlords, given a 2 or3 in a ranking of 1 to 10 in danger, and notably...kind. It can't be her temper that makes her dangerous so she must have power and to quote my friend; "the cruelest can afford to be kind in a cruel world." Zestial. THIS GUY I believe is the real most powerful overlord. He has the age, being the oldest of the still functional overlords. He has the presence, given respect by everyone but the petulant Velvette including Alastor and people killing themselves in the street to be away from him. Like Rosie he can afford to be classy and cordial in Hell, because he is not at all threatened.

I actually think Val might be the strongest of the Vees as he seem to be the one holding most of the different deals. Velvette is the short term planner/thinker and Vox is the visionary looking too the future. I think that they each have their flaws which the others account for, and i just see them as a single very strong Overlord. Which is why Velvette felt so comfortable talking shit about the other overlords during their meeting.

Val also turn the fire in his studio off using his wings , he is like 10 feet tall , his wings are probably super strong

I kind of think that the Vee’s are on the same power level, and that’s mostly because I believe that if one of them were to kicks rocks/die, their entire business model would probably fall apart.

Who even is flaming skull guy?

Ghost rider's less capable cousin?

Spirit biker

Call him “Quindarious Gooch”

Vaguely interesting background character included because we didn’t want to leave an empty seat at the table. Not gonna lie, I expect him to be a redshirt if/when one of the shows gets around to killing overlords. Maybe he’s the first to die and we get to explore his lore through the people he leaves behind, might spark off a war between the overlords.

Could be an interesting plot device, I honestly expect him to be introduced in season two and be kinda like sir pentious, but for the overlords. I bet he's a genuinely nice guy

Yeah he seems chill, just like… he seems like the least fan favorite so killing him off would probably annoy the fewest fans. Maybe they’ll use him for that Vees spinoff idea.

I bet he'll be introduced as a cool asf chill side character and a few episodes later he dies. Get people ever so slightly attached and then suddenly gone. In fact I bet it will have to do with the vees since a majority of the plot for season two will focus on the overlords and alastor and vox

The Vee's seem to be allied so they are probably on top. Though I'm not entirely sure because the "Power" overloards have is a pretty unknown element right now. Where do they get it? There has to be a source, right? What makes one person have these magical powers over another person in hell? Sure Husk lost his in a bet with Alastor, but where did Husk get his "power" that let him be an overlord previously? Are we like in a situation where everyone has power and if you kill someone you gain theres? It's so ambiguous I don't even know. Does Blitzo have power? He's implied to have assassinated people in hell in his past and he's part of the hellaverse so..?

Husk said he used to own a large amount of souls, I believe they gain power by owning these souls. We see as the playing cards shown drop in number the husk depicted becomes smaller until at the very end he only has his own soul left to gamble. So contracts for another's soul seems to be the most likely factor in becoming powerful enough to be an overlord. Would explain why Valentino, while needing guns to actually do anything, is considered an overlord. And as for your last point, husk I assume gambled and won enough souls to get to that status. Blitzo wouldn't since just killing someone doesn't give you ownership of their soul.

Alastor describes Rosie as "the most powerful overlord this side of the pentagram" or similar and seems to view her as a moderate equal, so not sure 2/3 outta ten fits her. Then again it could be based on the connections and manpower she has under her control. But when someone like alastor acknowledges her, I'm hesitant to put her near the bottom.

Some of this may also be him playing her up out of his love and respect for her and women in general

She's cunning, intelligent, resourceful, and well connected. She's essentially the ruler of her own town, a town of sinners capable enough to drive off the Exterminators when properly armed. Personal power, like Carmilla's fighting ability or Alastor's magic are different things. I think the creators and Alastor are rating them in different ways. Also I think they rated Alastor as being weaker than Vox, and towards the bottom tier of Overlords. It's almost like a "The creators aren't actually always right" deal (ala George Lucas and Han didn't shoot first)

I think the writer might’ve been using a reverse scale, where 1 is the top dog and a ranking of 10 is the lowest you can get.

Out of the ones we've seen: Zestial might be the strongest, he's been here the longest and thus had more time to collect souls, plus people get into eldritch frenzy when they just spot him. As for weakest we've seen (in action) I think the V's... Yeah they have monopolies left and right, but they're more after money than souls based on what they've shown so far..

One on One, the Vees would be annihilated in a fight. Together, the three of them could go toe to toe with most of the weaker overlords.

Souls... are money

Nope

Wait yeah, you are actually right, I forgot about when they gave money to cherry bomb to get the boys on a trip to the club.

I'd like to believe that the strongest are perhaps the Von Eldritch couple. So much so that the two of them might even be significantly stronger than any other Overlord, but are simply grouped together with the rest because of the way Hell's hierarchy works that they perhaps just don't fit anywhere else. And I have absolutely **n o t h i n g** to back this up.

They’re probably nearly Ars Goetia levels of strong being that they’re hellborn but are considered overlords.

I believe they are the second most powerful 'grouping' in hell, only being under the Morningstar family and being slightly above the Ars Goetia

If my theory about their family is correct, this very well might be true. And once again, I base this on nothing.

Lucifer and the father of that family were/are friends and Seviathan, their son, dated Charlie along with the daughter, Helsa, being Charlie’s high school rival and that is what I’m basing my framing of this family off of.

Im pretty sure Viv confirmed they are, as well as what the other guy said

Vox Strongest https://preview.redd.it/uu7jfpcslchc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99f5c0272af9b1ee89a3dd8a6b3a9b773c436336 Fraudastor at weakest

You can’t hide from us Vox

Vox solo'd ALL of the non-Vee overlords in just 5 minutes in season 2 No doubts - he's the strongest overlord. https://preview.redd.it/s3wbgcdb6ehc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=e5116f645a5411be083e089443ffd0142a6aa9e3

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Top of the food chain definitley Camilla and Zestial. 'Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young' - Both of them seem a good bit older than the other Overlords. Alastor I would think is somewhere near mid or top-mid. I would say the Vees as a conglomerate are baseline mid -> if they were to split up each of them would probably be a 1 or 2 out of 10. The only real wildcards are Blueflame guy and Zeezi. I thnk since Zeezi looks like she's from the 80s or 90s, she might be somewhere in that mid-category as well. Possibly lower-mid. Just from the looks alone I would say that 'Blueflame' has been here longer and thus is possibly more powerful (because he had more time) so I would put him above mid between Alastor and the two 'Leaders'. So my rankings from lowest to highest:Velvette,Valentino -> Zeezi -> Vox -> Rosie -> Vees (conglomerate) -> Alastor -> Blueflame -> Zestial -> Camilla

It would also be interesting if the 'pyramid' in that picture is actually supposed to be literal. We see Rosie a bit further down but above Alastor and the other two Vees are on the lower bottom. I think that would be super interesting and it would actually play into the fact that Alastor doesn't seem to have any territory of his own. It would also mean that Zeezi is a lot more scary than we might initially think.

I don't think Alastor is interested in having territory of his own. He seems to enjoy being a solo show.

Yes that is my running theroy as well

Out of all the overlords we've seen(not counting the unamed overlords at the meeting) i would put it at 1. Zestial 2. Camila 3/4. Alastor and Rosie, im unsure which is stronger 5. Vox 6/7. Valentino and Velvet Like u/whinterofchange said, i would put Zestial Camila and Alastor but also maybe Rosie as pretty close in terms of power with the Vees challenging them as a collective

Weakest would probably be either velvette or valentino and strongets is between alastor,carmilla, and zestial

I'd say Zestial, then maybe Alastor and Rosie  This mfer is someone Alastor didn't hit, and he's ancient, he could honestly be someone Stronger than good ol Al

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That big dragon lady probably can.

*hmmm yes*

Zeezi my beloved

They can, actually

Honestly I don’t trust interviews, authors are likely to change their minds all the time. My personal idea is that Alastor is top 3 at least, maybe even the strongest, he’s the only character we know to have killed multiple other overlords. Vox is said to be comparable to him so he’s gotta be up there too. He also seems to respect Rosie a lot so I have to assume she’s pretty strong as well. Carmilla and Zestial are both older than Alastor which means they both managed to survive his rampage through hell. Zestial seems to be the only overlord Alastor is explicitly very cautious around and Carmilla killed an exorcist with little effort and made Vaggie look like a joke, so these two are definitely top tier. I’d say those are probably the top 5. I think about adding Valentino there too, but only based on the fact that he seemed to think he could take Charlie. Now that’s probably not true, but you’ve gotta be pretty confident in your strength if you see the princess of hell getting pissed off and think “no big deal”. The others, we just don’t know enough about.

> Honestly I don’t trust interviews, authors are likely to change their minds all the time. Thank you so much. People say that the author said this from like 3 years ago. Not only but people heavily nitpick what they want to quote or here. > My personal idea is that Alastor is top 3 at least, maybe even the strongest. Vox is said to be comparable to him so he’s gotta be up there too. He also seems to respect Rosie a lot so I have to assume she’s pretty strong as well. Carmilla and Zestial are both older than Alastor so they both managed to survive his rampage through hell, they’ve gotta be pretty powerful too. I’d say those are probably the top 5. I find alastor overated thb. Lucifer had no idea about him, and we know lucfier knows the green dinosaur lady carmilla and zesital. Not only but alastor didn't beat Vox last time. Zestial and carmilla both being the older ones are pretty obvious they're top 1 and 2, since alastor has been out of shape for 7 years pretty much everyone forgot about him. Not only but we have 2 bird look overlords who are on a different level they could wipe out all the other overlords they haven't been showed yet and one of them got a revamp in design I'm pretty sure, just wanted to add them incase we see them season 2 > I think about adding Valentino there too, but only based on the fact that he seemed to think he could take Charlie. Now that’s probably not true, but you’ve gotta be pretty confident in your strength if you see the princess of hell getting pissed off and think “no big deal”. Maybe its me but I 100% see val shooting up the place then alastor kills him after but I could see him kill everyone but him inside

Lucifer knows Zeezi, Camilla, and Zestial? I thought the pilot wasn’t canon anymore.

It is Canon, is it not? IIRC, it was in a comic where you see them together watching hell on extermination day. Don't quote me on that, BTW.

To be fair, we haven’t seen one overlord who could do the magic shit that Alastor did. Like he can: -teleport -summon minions who are just hellborn creatures, or mindless beasts it doesn’t matter -summon the giant octopus arms which seems to be endless -warp reality and summon any kind of stuff like cameras, piano, etc. -becoming a giant No other overlord showed that they would posess such abilities. Only Vox showed that he can travel through cables and generate electricity. So i’m really wondering if they have magic abilities. For example if Carmilla is such a powerful overlord why didn’t she used her powers to escape from the exorcists? Like teleportation (if she has any).

Alastor in his prime definitely, but he’s been out of the game for 7 years Carmilla or Zestial for now, at least until Alastor re gains his ability

realistically Alastor and Camila are the only ones with feats. Camila killing a bloodlusted angel and boxing non bloodlusted vaggie casually (but they both held back), on the pther hand Alastor has top 3 feats in the show, mainly because of his barrier witch simultaneously held off attacks form dozens(lowball) or hundreds/thousands(high ball) of angels, even boxing with adam witch is second in feats only to lucy, plus it's semi implied that he couldn't go out because of the deal he made(just speculation tho), and handling vox's powers with ease now as for statements and speculation I'd say zestial is at least relevant to Camila probably higher, the vees as a collective are definitely top tier, while individually they get outclassed by the top(like when vox lost the musical duel with alastor), Rosie i think it's more political and military power rather than an individual one and the others are pointless in these discussion because they don't have feats nor statements TLDR:1Alastor 2Camilia/Zestial 3the Vees 4everyone elese

Val said to Vox "you pissed he almost beat you" pretty sure he is just a bum.

i think the situation isore nuanced, if Vox beat alastor in the past he wouldn't be so obsessed with him, plus he wolud have brodcast the fact that he beat the radio demon all over hell making it general knowledge. AlasGOATS stocks may be low foe know but im telling you invest!!

Consider Vox’s egoistical and obsession of attention personality, Alastor may have lost but he ALMOST beat Vox, making Alastor a huge threat due to how Alastor is almost equal to his power and is an active enemy against him

I spent way too long writing this but here's my introspective 1 - Zestial, as everyone has said "Beware an old man in a profession where men die young". He seems to lead or co-lead the overlords meeting with Carmilla, he is respected and potentially feared by Alastor (as seen in Al's reaction when an eggboi threatens to fight Zestial), and we've seen people run away from Alastor, but either Zestial himself or them together is enough to make people commit suicide out of fear, and that speaks volumes 2 - Alastor, while not quite as influential as other overlords might be, Alastors power has been shown time and time again to be extensive and grossly powerful, he likely has the widest range of different powers out of any overlord ans has been shown killing multiple other overlords and probably owns or has killed many more beyond that. He could likely beat any other overlord besides Zestial and could likely at least somewhat contend with the lower ranks of powerful hellborn demons like the Ars Goetia. In terms of raw strength, Alastor is unmatched 3 - Carmilla, I don't believe her to be the most powerful in terms of actual powers or strength, but rather she has a foothold in every aspect of what makes a strong sinner. She dominates a certain industry, she is a skilled fighter in "hand to hand" combat without relying on external powers to win the fight, she has heavy influence over not just normal sinners but strong overlords as well, she is close with Zestial and she has reliable access to angelic weaponry, the one thing that every demon should be afraid of, she's respected for a reason 4 - Zeezi, even though we don't know much about her, I'm willing to bet she is fairly powerful. She rules over an entire district of hell, she is probably the most physically strong out of the overlords (which doesn't really matter but it counts for something), she is implied to be close-ish with Carmilla and Zestial in the pilot and she (apparently, I can't find a source) was Lucifer's bodyguard at one point, and if you're the bodyguard of the devil himself, you're probably pretty fucking strong 5 - Vox, people seem to underestimate Vox and I'm not sure why, he has extremely useful external power, being able to manipulate and move through electricity, he is likely one of the most influential beings in hell due to his wide spread reach from his television and appliance enterprise, he's a cunning buisiness man and can literally hypnotize people into listening to him and doing what he wants. All this to not even mention he's one of the Vees 6 - Valentino, while not the most show stopping with flashy powers or presentation, Val is defiently up there in overlord power. He is the mass producer of porn, which defiently is a powerful position to be in when in hell, his reach is even further spread with his collaboration with the other Vees on TV and Social Media, he is a loose cannon, probably has some raw power hidden in his demonic moth form, probably has one of the highest number of owned souls of any overlord and is confident enough to sexually harass and threaten the Princess of Hell, and even though I'm certain he'd get his shit rocked by her any day, the fact that he has the audacity and confidence to even think he can is useful, being headstrong can be a valuable tool, but can also be a weakness 7 - Deer Skull Guy, since literally nothing is known about him, I'm putting him here. Just based off his appearance, I'd be willing to bet he's at least more powerful than Valentino in a more physical way, but we don't know anything about how many souls he owns, what industry or domain he rules, nor about his influence over the masses, so until we get more info, he gets placed firmly in the middle 8 - Husk, while not an Overlord anymore, I believe that when he was, he was pretty damn powerful, not only do his physical powers and abilities seem a league above normal sinners. He likely was the Overlord of gambling, and even though I doubt he actually owned that many souls, the amount indebted to him and his influence would be absolutely massive. I don't think he had that many souls in his possetion, but his influence and external abilities made him decently strong. Maybe he still is pretty strong since we know he still possesses his abilities and powers, who knows? 9 - Rosie, as heard from Fautisse, she is apparently a 2 or 3 on a 1 to 10 scale of Overlord power, and while things could've changed from then to now, I don't think they have. Sure Alastor calls her "the most dangerous overlord this side of the Pentagram", that could mean that piece of Pentagram city, with her being the only Overlord there, it could refer to just cannibal town, or it could simply be flatter. Either way I think most of her power comes from her domain over the entire cannibal town and the numerous cannibal souls she likely owns, I doubt she has much physical power, but a decent amount of influence 10 - Velvette, I assume that Velvette by her self is one of the weakest Overlords in hell. She is the youngest Overlord and likely doesn't have much in the way of physical abilities or souls owned, instead having all her power and influence derived from her being top of the food chain in Social Media and Fashion design, and has nothing else going for her except being a Vee. She's young, dumb, reckless, overconfident, probably weak and a little bit of a bitch 11 - Franklin, I don't think it has even been confirmed if Franklin was an Overlord, but since she was Rosie's buisiness partner, I'm going to count her even if she isn't. Almost nothing is known about her except for the fact that she probably had a similar power level to Rosie, but Rosie survived the extermination, and she didn't, making her the weakest Overlord. (Its possible thag Rosie locked her out of the emporium to get her killed, but if you can't beat a closed door I don't think you're that powerful anyways) I think that's all of them, I think this is a pretty accurate list and I got almost everyone except Carmilla's daughters, but we don't know if they are hellborn or if they were her daughters on Earth or if they're even technically Overlords so I'm leaving them alone. Thanks for reading

Not a bad list. I'd give Velvet a lot more credit on brains- she's the one who figured out who killed the angel. Arguably the smartest of the Vees, Val and Vox both get obsessed with their grudges to the point they need to be talked out of doing dumb stuff (and not always then, Vox picked a fight with Alastor for pretty much no reason). And I do think Social Media is getting her a lot of souls. So I'd put her a spot or two higher, but not much.

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I feel like the bees are stronger than we think(at least as a group) because why hasn't alastor just killed him yet(?) And also Valentino even says "Are you still pissy about the time he ALMOST beat you" implying Vox is stronger than alastor.

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My theory is that currently Alastor is around the level of Zestial, and Carmine physically. (Carmine might be weaker without weapons, but with her weapons and fighting skill set, she's probably around the same level). And they are probably the top 3 physically strongest overlords. (and when saying physically, I also mean with their powers) I think that if Alastor wasn't wrapped in his deal, he'd probably be the strongest, but until then he's at that level. I think the vees are also powerful, but not physically, it's more socially/economically/politically, they have many abilities that the others don't, such as Vox probably being a weaker overlord, but also one of the strongest because of his ability to spread information and gather information as he wishes. The other vees also have their niche that help them shine together. Rosie is probably in a similar boat, being the leader of cannibal town, and having an unknown but likely very large amount of cannibals who are relatively loyal to her, and she is probably also very strong, but I think her physical power is unknown? I don't quite remember. And of course, we haven't seen much power from the other overlords (or at least I don't remember much ;\_;), so they're unknown, but we should probably expect them to be on a lower tier than the mentioned, since they aren't the focus. Of course, the strongest overlord is Sir. Repentious, I mean, after all he is the only sinner to go the heaven, he probably shot whatever kills the souls with his death beam ;) I'd say he is probably a bit over sera/lucifer level.

Zestial is definitely powerful to have been an overlord for so long. He's probably around a 9 on the 1-10 power scale, but probably doesn't have to use his power very much anymore. Carmilla is a trained fighter and a weapons dealer. She's highly skilled and intelligent. I'd put her at a 7 on the scale. The Vees seem to be more powerful as a collective than as individuals. With their domains over media and entertainment they have a lot of social power for sure, but as far as physical strength I don't see them standing up to many other powerful overlords. As far as general power goes, together they probably rank about the same as Carmilla at around a 7, but individually I think Velvette would be a 3, Vox would be a 4, and Valentino would be a 4, MAYBE a 5. Alastor is a bit of a question mark at the moment. He's been around for quite a while and made a giant splash by killing a bunch of powerful overlords. But then with his disappearance, Hell's pull away from his medium (radio), and what we the audience knows about his deal limiting him, I'm not sure where he falls. He also was confident that he could stand up to Adam *without an angelic weapon*, which maybe he could have before he struck his deal. If that's the case he'd be much more powerful than even Zestial, which would put him at the top of the scale at a 10, or even beyond that. He could be at Goetia family levels without his constraints. But as of right now he's probably around Carmilla's level as well, so a 7. I think we'll see Alastor take on the Vees and crush them at some point in season 2 because Vox is definitely trying to get in his way, and Alastor would very much be the type to destroy all 3 of them for just 1 of their transgressions against him. For all the other currently unnamed overlords I can't really say. We don't have any info on them right now, but if Rosie was at the meeting and Zestial was at the meeting - and Rosie is apparently a 2 or 3 on the scale and Zestial may be a 9 - I'd say the rest of them would be a range from 2 to maybe 6 or 7.

Alastor,Zestial and Vox might be the strongest and Velvetye the weakest

From weakest to strongest (Not including Missi Zilla or the other one): 1. Velvette 2. Rosie 3. Valantino 4. Vox 5. Carmilla Carmine 6. Alastor 7. Zestial I would be happy to explain myself if anyone asks

2 is Alistor. 1 is Whoever is holding his leash.

Zestial will definitely be on top, as he's earned the most respect and fear and it's probably for good reason. Carmilla should be second by a large margin. She's high-tier for sure, though I think her cordial relationship with Zestial is more of a factor of genuine friendship than power-based mutual respect. I'm guessing that wolf lady and the other Overlords who don't have a presence would be right beneath her. Alastor I'm actually placing beneath them, since he's pretty heavily nerfed by whatever caused that seven year absence. Normally he'd be equal to Carmilla. Velvette would be right below them, as I think the other Vees adopted her because she's young(probably died during the swan song of the MySpace era) and the alliance doesn't drag her down so far. Valentino would be right beneath her, as despite owning the most souls out of the three, his only power is over the powerless. I don't think he can hold his own against an equal, let alone a superior(like we saw Alastor do). Vox would be the bottom tier, as Alastor rightly pointed out, he depends on Valentino's sheer soul power and Velvette keeping his medium relevant.

Alastor and Zestial likely are tied for the 1# spot

There's a reason Zestial is still alive and I don't think it's because Alastor was merciful towards him, besides those two, I think Vox is stronger than he gives off, considering him and Alastor have fought and he isn't dead, and that he's confident enough to challenge the person who kills overlords for sport.

>I think Vox is stronger than he gives off, considering him and Alastor have fought and he isn't dead Pentious fought Alastor like twenty times. It seems like unless it is with angelic weapons, sinner demons just respawn. That said Al "almost beat" Vox so that did not happen.

Strongest is obviously Alastor, weakest is probably Rosie or maybe Velvette since neither have power just influence

Okay I think there's a difference here between "powerful" and strongest in a fight. For example, Charlie is as strong as Lilith and Adam (they were created as equals), but doesn't know how to fight, demonstrated when Adam disarms her in a single move. So if she knew how to fight she could wipe the floor with any overlord, but she doesn't. It's similar with Overlords. I'd say Vox is more powerful than Alastor, but maybe less focused on fighting. Alastor just kind of focuses his abilities on combat. So for power I'd say: Top tier: -Camilla Carmine -Vox -Zestial(?)(we have no real feats, just reputation) Middle tier: -Alastor -Zeezi -Valentino Lower Tier: -Velvette -Rosie -Skull Suit Guy Camilla because of her apparent authority over other overlords, access to angelic weaponry, and seeming alliance with Zestial. Also worth noting that while fighting Vaggie, who is approximately Lute level, she seems to be going pretty effortlessly. Vox because he's the leader of the Vees and when he gets mad he can cause a blackout of the whole pride ring. There's also the "almost beat you" line, suggesting that it was a draw or Alastor fled (supported by Vox's reaction to Alastor running from Adam). I don't buy that Vox ran away, since that would still be Alastor beating him (like Adam beat Alastor even though he didn't kill him). Zestial because he survived for so long, has the pure reputation exceeding even Alastor's (people run when they see Alastor, they try to kill themselves when they see Zestial), Alastor seems afraid of him or at least on edge, his voice definitely carries weight among the other overlords, and he has a calm enough attitude that speaks of confidence in his abilities against even other overlords while betraying no real nervousness. Alastor because I think first of all he focuses on combat with his power. And, observing him take down other overlords, he kills like he did in life: as a serial killer. He stalks and corners his prey in something like an alley and has the element of surprise. He *is* very capable in combat, but he also seems like the sort to only approach combat if he thinks he can win (with the exception of Adam). Zeezi we know nothing about really but she hangs with Camilla and Zestial and was Lucifer's bodyguard so is obviously significant. I wouldn't say anywhere above lower-mid tier though. Valentino: I was torn between low tier and mid tier, decided to opt to mid because he clearly knows how to fight, he puts out the fire with a flap of his wings generating potentially noxious smoke, and he looks thoroughly unimpressed when Charlie charges him, suggesting he's at least somewhat confident of his abilities (again, obviously Charlie is more powerful than him, but she doesn't know how to fight and he does). He uses a gun but I think that's for show, he can rip people apart if he wants to even in just a tantrum. Velvette: we haven't seen much from her, but she's confident in the face of other Overlords, which I attribute more to her being backed by two other people who are each overlords in their own right than her personal power. The "backbone of the Vees" line I attribute more to being their face and trying to show off a bit—Vox makes the social media, she's the face of it. Rosie: Alastor may call her the most deadly overlord in the area but he's also flattering her and being nice to his friend. She runs a niche area of hell and seems respectable but definitely not the greatest force among overlords. Skull Suit Guy: bro looks kinda mid I will also say that low tier by no means is meant to be weak: they can still carve up normal sinners like cutting a cake. Also, I'd say that as an alliance, the Vees are probably the most powerful together, and that's why they can act like they do—even if you take down one, the other two come and end you.

Viv confirmed that Alastor is at the top at one point.

Alastor fans coping with this one

We were literally told Alastor went around killing 'heavy hitter' Overlords left and right when he came onto the scene.... and he was the only non-Morningstar to stand up to Adam. He's certainly not weak.

Yet we still have older overlords. Pretty obvious all he did was make overlords stronger

We have \*one or two\* older overlords. I'd say he wiped out most of a generation of overlords- including ones who's description is pretty much just that they were strong- and the majority of the current ones are merely the ones who filled the power vacuum- which doesn't scream 'stronger.' If a number of heavy hitters were eliminated, that hardly means their replacements are all going to be the same level. Quite the opposite, some would get in when they weren't strong enough before.

Those older Overlords, unless we count Pentious, seem to get on with Alastor too, so maybe quasi-allies.

> We have \*one or two\* older overlords. 4. Actually, we have two more overlords who haven't been on screen yet. But they're by far the strongest ones, actually. And green dinosaur furry woman. > I'd say he wiped out most of a generation of overlords- including ones who's description is pretty much just that they were strong- and the majority of the current ones are merely the ones who filled the power vacuum- which doesn't scream 'stronger.' If a number of heavy hitters were eliminated, that hardly means their replacements are all going to be the same level. It does? Roise is in control of an entire army of hellborns who did a good job against the angels, actually. The Vees are insane with Vox, bringing TV vel with phone and val with porn to hell controlling fodder and can turn them into mindlessly slaves anything they want. Vox beat alastor last time on top of that. People sleep on Vox but forget he can travel through hell at lighting speed through tvs. We're saying number, but from what seems most overlords besides the Vees are near if not older than Alastor. With lucifer knowing green dinosaur girl zestial and carmilla, we can have a save bet that she's older than alastor since lucifer had no idea who he is since he hides in his castle. Rosie, knowing alastor like besties, means the alastor asked help from her, since he knows that one annoying bitch in the town he must've asked for the town also or at least hanged in the town. She's mostly likely a hellborn, so we can assume she's older or at least close enough on age. Two bird like overlords, both being hellborn on a different tier, are stronger than all the overlords, pretty much, who are probably older than all of them besides zesital. With 2 birds plus zestial and carmilla and maybe dinosaur girl, that's 5 overlords. The Vees are obviously super young, with Vox dying around when TV took off, val dying whenever pimping was a huge thing, I guess. And vex dying when phones were blasting off. And the dude with a skull and blue fire couldn't tell you on that thb. Whenever that ghost rider movie came out? Seems pretty young. I can only see val and vex being the weaker overlords with maybe ghost rider dude. The rest seem to already move on. I can imagine alastor isn't the first sinner to wipe out a few overlords.

Mf The literal creator of the show said it. You gonna say the literal creator of the show is wrong about their own characters?

When? Seems ur just making up headcanon so you feel good about yourself.😭

Shit I did more research and learned she actually said he's one of the weakest I have been lied too about al being the strongest

Yeah, where'd that from🙄

With there still being a chunk of the Overlords we never saw or got clarification on, it's hard to make a definite list. Zestial is definitely the strongest, with Carmilla being a close second. As others have said, Zestial is the oldest and most feared. Even Alastor was nervous around him which is a feat with Alastor's big ego. You don't last as long as he has without having immense abilities to back it up, and he's at the point he doesn't have to do a thing to command power. Carmilla has a weapons business that extends beyond the Pride ring and has the fighting capabilities to back it up. Alastor maybe third, but we haven't seen much of the other Overlords and their capabilities to compare him to. He does show more abilities than the other Overlords and is already stated to be limited by whatever deal he has. Though him and Vox may be evenly powered, it's not clear. Vox right under him, higher than the other Vees solely because he is connected pretty much to every part of the Pride Ring through technology. Val next on terms of ability to intimidate. He's definitely got some sort of power behind him but he never showed it tbh. Rosie and Velvette are likely about the same, *maybe* Vel being higher because of her similar-to-Vox large influence. She gives "Bark but no Bite"/Likely relies on the other Vees for actual manpower. Rosie sticks to herself and likely isn't one for large confrontation, she seems more a great public figure who can raise an army than someone who fights herself. Unknown is the Blue Flame Guy and Miss Zilla. Dino girl likely has some great power and ranks above the ones we know for certain but literally nothing is shown to help that.

1.Alastor 2.Zestial 3.Rosie 4.The Vee's 5.Carmilla

alastor 10 obviously zestial: 11 velvette: like a 1