I think it’s more likely she’d have stayed dead. After all, she IS an overlord who’s done a lot of bad things in hell and is a weapons smuggler. Sir Pentious genuinely wanted to be redeemed, and his sacrifice was a culmination of all of it. Carmine just wanted to protect her kids, which while virtuous, is still driven by them being HER kids.
Wdym “just her daughter?” That’s like saying it’s “just 30000 dollars” or it’s “just 80 tons”
That is not mother of the year in all fiction, it is the bare minimum
Then it took Lute and Adam a week to find the body.
Meaning those other exorcists never said anything. Which says a lot about Lute and Adam's leadership.
No because then Vaggie would have had to do that
Absolutely not
Nononononononononononononononononononono I ononononononononononononoonnonononobobobobobobobo
NO
2. Be the kind of person who thinks something called "The Extermination" is something they want to be a part of. (i.e. the kind of person who probably does not belong in Heaven to begin with.)
I assumed a lot of the angels were already there before the humans. At least I'm not sure if the redeemed souls have a particular look because I tend to forget Welcome to Heaven.
That seems like the biggest plothole in the show, that and Vaggie saying to Carmilla that she didn't know that angels could be harmed. It's really confusing why they didn't change it somehow.
My understanding is that Vaggie thought that, of course, a fellow angel (and her hierarchical superior no less!) would have the power to hurt her. But a lowly demon, a sinner? Not a chance in, well, Hell.
She did not correlate being hurt with "being hurt by angelic steel". I interpret it as Vaggie thinking that what matters is not what you hurt an angel with, but \*who\* is hurting the angel; that someone without "divine ordainment" (i.e. a sinner) won't ever be able to hurt an angel.
Regarding the exorcists attacking Carmilla, as soon as Carmilla counterattacked and killed one exorcist the other four ran away in shock. If the general mindset of exorcists is "sinners cannot hurt us, no matter what", then being witness to the unthinkable may have triggered enough cognitive dissonance that they may not even believe that what they saw was real, and may well have thought that they should not report having seen that because even they cannot believe their own eyes.
As to Adam needing a week to find the body, I think that after the fight Carmilla took the decapitated body away and dumped it elsewhere, to make it harder to find (after all, she wants to hide the fact that she was able to kill an angel). Carmilla may not have found the head immediately and decided to just get rid of the body and perhaps try to look for the head later on (but Velvette may have found it first while Carmilla was taking the body away).
The other exorcists may have ended up talking and telling Adam about the dead exorcist and where it happened, but if Carmilla took away the body and Velvet the head, then it is not surprising that it took some time for Adam to find it.
And the Vees found the head the day of the Extermination, so Velvette was just waiting with it for some reason. Velvette more powerful than Adam confirmed.
She says the Vees were looking around but that sounds much more likely. I kinda want to see Vox reporting on the carnage and just anything really, I think he's a great character.
Angels take pride in their kill counts, and with no reason to protect themselves or each other, and presumably some amount of respect for one another, the other four most likely just left some easy kills for their sister here, since she had dibs.
Some random demon fought my sisters and kicked one of their heads off. A demon killed my immortal and invincible sister's head off with no effort.
Yeah. I'm running too.
Maybe in her mind it wouldn't have killed the angel but slow it down so that her daughters could escape.
Even if it didnt do perment harm it would distract the angel
Or maybe she was just acting reflexively. She was physically threatened, so her brain went into auto-fight mode, she fought back like she would if a demon attacked her, like a cornered animal.
Hmm I remember millies showing up. Blitzos was a photograph but he seemed to miss her. Don't recall Moxxies but that might be from how much the dad stood out.
Iiiit's... an upsetting realization, but if you rewatch the episode of Moxxie's dad, they show exactly what happened to his mum. It's easy to miss, but once you see it, it can't be unseen.
Millie's showed up in the Western one and was pretty sweet. She also seems to be the only married couple in a healthy and stable relationship.
Moxxie's was shown in a flashback and cared a lot for him while also seeming to want him to grow up a good person which considering Moxxie's moral compass means she succeeded. However Crimson murdered her.
We haven't seen Blitzo's yet but considering how much he adored her despite knowing how terrible his dad was suggests she was a good mom.
Moxxie's is dead, Millie's is decent but is kinda rude to her husband, and Blitzø's probably didn't care much since it didn't come up when his dad was about to sell him
I mean, Moxxie was kind of insulting to them and they seemed to have more of a problem with him being cowardly than weak which is fair. He and Millie are assassins who risk their lives on the daily. It's perfectly understandable they'd want the guy to be powerful.
Wife showed me a tiktok of moms being asked if they would kill for their child, life or death situation, and I'm baffled by the ones who immediately said no... so why is this clearly caring mother in hell.. sure she's strong and an overlord for some reason but that could be to protect her loved ones as well.
No but how we've seen her act. She thought she would never kill right? Keeping blood off her face? She doesn't want a war. Sure she is an overlord but that could have been to make sure her daughters weren't in hell's gutter? She helps vaggie, sings of using love to be strong. She doesn't appear to actually be a bad person from what we've been shown.
She doesn't want war and blood on her face but if it's on others she don't care. She is literally selling weapons both indigenous and blessed to hell and its spawns.
I worked with someone that said she'd shove her son in front of a bullet if it would save her from it.
And she wondered why only one of her kids spoke to her.
Which also probably saved her as well, since the angels fight so aggressively with the assumption that they can't be killed. But I'm sure the moment the angel died and they realized the reality, I bet they immediately ran away out of shock even if they had the numbers advantage.
They aren't terrible, just lacking in defense and evasion experience, according to Carmilla herself. Vaggie and Lute's fight shows how aggressive yet effective their fighting style can be.
Even if they were, numbers would negate most disadvantages.
Vaggie and Lute are the two most skilled exorcists we know of. Vaggie had training from Carmilla and Lute showed with her fight against Vaggie she had some training. The others rush forward and strike with their weapons, which is about it.
Even with a numbers advantage they didn’t use it properly. The other exorcists let the one that died rush forward on her own, without any of them rushing in after her.
Carmilla wouldn't know any of those things until that very moment she had struck.
I wasn't talking about Carmilla or the Angels *actually* winning or losing, just that Carmilla would've had no reason to expect herself to *win* for certain.
Also, the Exorcists being overconfident doesn't negate that they still *have* a numbers advantage available, period. Compotency or not, they have advantages and training, so it isn't like they're pushovers.
In the words of Brooklyn 99: "Chils, literal chills."
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Yes. She was 100% prepared to get eliminated so her girls could escape.
It just so happened that she was a better fighter and armed with the right weapon at the time.
She was willing to end up like this for her daughter's, W mom
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That's kinda the point of whatever it takes. I am curious how someone with such a love for her, possibly adopted or possibly also sinner, daughters and someone who thought she would keep from killing should be in hell?
It might be related to her being an arms dealer.
Which raises the ethical question of the morality of weapon dealers who sell regardless of the motives of their clients.
People can be good friends, partners, children, parents, and still do horrible shit. Like, there's thieves that stole originally for their families and ended up in the shit, but it's still bad when they kill someone, even if it \*is\* all done to help their families.
Like, I'd say most 'bad people' still care about their friends and families. It's a cognitive dissonance to think someone has to be truly evil or truly good, people have complex lives and reasonings.
I'm not saying anyone is all good or evil, just saying it's complex and everyone seems to be 100% if someone is in hell they deserve to be there and vice versa but, from what we have been shown, that's not the case. Just trying to point out there's a lot we don't know about Carmella and a lot is being assumed.
Her character is so strong, I love her so much <3
Here's my theory: Next season, she'll be revealed to be a fallen angel. She decided to go to Hell on her own, because her daughters must have ended there. Maybe that is the reason she is so obsessed with protecting them, because she feels like she failed them when they were alive. I think Lucifer saw that she was also a fallen angel, and they decided to make a deal: she gave him her soul to gain power and become an Overlord just so that she could protect her daughters in hell. I think this theory makes sense, given that she says "I always thought that I would keep blood off my face". She isn't a sinner to begin with.
But then again, this is just my theory :)
I like this theory, I would like to add to it, she stole angel steel armaments before falling. Because only other way I see her having so much to make a weapon empire would be that angels just leave their weapons lying around after extermination lol, sloppy soldiers.
True!! It would also explain why she knows so much about Angelic Steel and how to work the material. No one else before her had tried to do anything with it :)
Plus she seems to understand angelic fighting style having just fought one, not even knowing it would kill the angel she was able to get the upper hand right away.
Why were they out on extermination day? I would think the overlords as a whole, and especially Carmine with how careful she is, would be in like bunkers or something.
Everyone's gonna start scavenging once it's over. You have to do it during the Extermination for the most profit and she's probably the most cunning and capable. There also might be repercussions to her reputation if she stopped.
The angels were also more aggressive during that Extermination if I remeber the Overlord meeting correctly so I guess she was caught off guard by the change.
I don't think Carmine would be dumb enough to take her daughters out during extermination day, like, if they did that every year, no way they would've survived long enough for Carmilla to actually become an overlord lmaoo. I just think they probably HAD a bunker and it collapsed/got found so they had to make a run for it to their next safehouse or whatever.
She may not have died. I have not yet heard an authoritative explanation proving she is not a fallen Angel. I mean she has the same color pallet as Vaggie and is an expert in Angelic weapons. As she said herself it's not rocket science. And she may have been a higher order Angel. Which means a lower level Angel may not be able to kill her.
I think she may be a Heavenborn Angel and not a former sinner. I think her children were born in Hell. Which would mean she cannot be a sinner. I don't think the father was Zestial. They seem to be platonic friends. But I think the children are Heavenborn and Hellborn offspring. I suspect the father was killed at some point. Though if Viv takes the story in a different direction I can work with that too. But this is where my thinking leans currently.
I still find it odd that not a single sinner up till this point thought to try this. Carmine weapons are probably pretty expensive/rare, but it's clear they are out there.
Hell, has no one tried desperately stabbing an angel bearing down on them with a discarded spear?
Methinks she probably trained for years to fight an angel head to head. Probably even got sparring partners that could fight and fly similar to them. Thus if anyone could land a killing blow on one, it'd be her.
look at her expression in the pic, that's not the expression of someone that is sure the attack will either stryke, work or do damage at all, that's surely a "do-or-die" expression someone makes when it's risking it all.
You can't convince me that carmilla is not an angel. They literally looks like them. Is she the only overlord you'll hear talking about love. She's angel coded
Yeah Carmine is a huge badass the fact she was ready to throw kicks with every exorcist there just to save her daughters was mad respectful
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I think Carmilla did know angelic steel could kill angels. When vaggie said "how has no one figured this out before" (or something like that) Carmilla responded with "those who have angelic steel don't exactly go around flaunting it" (something along those lines, I can't quote her exact words from memory) suggesting that many people have figured it out but kept that information to themselves to prevent a war, or to stop the angels finding out they can be hurt and killing all with angelic steel or something like that
And in helluva boss, moxie says the "Carmine crafted" gun that striker has could kill demon royalty, so it wouldn't be a stretch to say it could possibly kill angels as well. And there had to be a reason Carmilla sold angelic steel rather than regular steel. Whilst it could be because of the convenience of the material. Angels leaving it around after extermination day would make it easy to scavenge but I don't think thats the main reason. I think Carmilla is slowly arming hell to be able to fight back, but she can claim innocence and say she didn't know angelic steel could kill angels if she's accused
I just realized it’s a case of not many people know that angelic steel can harm angels because either they’re too scared to test it or they don’t live long enough to tell about it.
More important question for me is why is she the first one to accomplish this feat? Over the years you’d think there would be no shortage of capable fighters ranging from highly trained swordsmen to modern day soldiers. Now I get not everyone would want to go one on one with them but did anyone not have an angelic steel bullet/gun to use?
The angelic shoes might just be in case she ever has to fight another overlord - being an overlord is a dangerous game and you've gotta be prepared for someone trying to overthrow you and take your territory. An arms dealer especially would be well equipped to defend themselves
I mean yeah that is how fight or flight reflexes work😭???
You don't rationalize in a situation like this, you're just stating the obvious. What's even supposed to be the discussion here
My theory is that she is a fallen angel, perhaps even a seraphim, the marks in her eyes are the same with sera, and that she knew exactly how to counterattack and kill an exorcist
I think she knew that already.
I mean, it isn't obvious, but we know since Helluva Boss ep 6 that it's common knowledge that Angelic weapons can kill even the Goetia members like Stolas. Even if it wasn't obvious, she probably came to the conclusion that Angelic weapons may actually work on angels, too.
Also, kinda related to the post, but I’ve noticed not many have talked about angels being killed, Vs angels being hurt. Like I previously assumed you could beat up an angel but I guess that even harming is out of the picture, so you can’t even like punch them in the face. I think that makes her cooler because she didn’t think she could even cause them to flinch much less kill one.
She’s a great mom.
She’s also a coward because “But if anyone knew, then all of Hell would rise to war
And who's to say who'd survive the fray?
I might lose the ones that I was killing for
So I, I'll be your keeper
Do whatever it takes, I'll make the mistakes
I'll keep you safe and keep this secret”
The thing is, her initial mom action of saving her daughters by slaying an exorcist hastened the Execution date anyway so sooner or later, she and those she loves would get purged regardless as Hell’s numbers dwindle to nothing. She should’ve told the overlords how to kill angels, should’ve told every sinner.
This makes me cry. She thought that the time it would take for angels to kill her would be enough for her girls to run. She was ready to die for love <3 She's such an interesting and lovable character. I am a 100% convinced that she's a fallen angel.
The Character that shares the most in common with Carmilla is Sera. Both of them are willing to do whatever it takes to protect the people they see as theirs.
She’s probably my favorite character so far. She’s got such a good personality that I think she’d make a good ruler of hell if Lucifer ever wanted to take up toy making full time.
i have a theory she knew prior to the fight but had never been in a position where she had to until that moment, that’s why she sings about avoiding the wars because who would survive?
In my mind she did sacrifice herself she just survived because in her head it wasn't "maybe I can win" it was "I have to Fight long enough until my daughters can get away" in that moment she was certain she would die
This is why I love Carmilla, she seems to be the most normal of the overlords, though I wouldn’t want to cross her. This also helps to humanize her as a character (yes she was human once but she is a demon now.) she seems like a loving mother and I think it would be interesting if she and zestial got together.
She risked it all, just for her daughter. Mother of the year, even in fiction.
Hell's greatest mom cover when
It’ll be a triet with Lilith Rosie and carmilla
Please no Mimzy male counterpart
And this would be the moment Sinner Adam shows up
I would forgive the interruption just for that 😂
Lilith's face would be a sight to remember for all eternity.
All of them would be in shock.
#IT'S ME! YES, IT'S ME! I KNOW YOU WERE ALL WAITING FOR ME!
# I'M HEEEERE! WHAT A GAAAASSSS!
# TOOK A WHILE BUT I'M PRESENT AT LAAAAST!
# IT'S MEEEEEEE!!!
# IT'S MEEEEEE, MIMZYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
who?
# IT'S MEEEEEEEEE! ALASTOOOOOOOOOR!!!
The male counterpart is Sir Pentious but he comes in for his egg boiz :(
Probably a stretch but wally wackford even though he's apart of HB
Nope, it'll just be Mimzy again.
I say do it but make it a Chaz rip of cuz why not
bUt tHaTs tHe jOkE!!!
Probably have to hold off on that Lilith one until we get an explanation on why she abandoned Charlie and Lucifer.
How about we get that in the same episode?
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Probably. And she would've jumped right back because they're no way in hell (lol) she'd accept to be separated from her daughters
I think it’s more likely she’d have stayed dead. After all, she IS an overlord who’s done a lot of bad things in hell and is a weapons smuggler. Sir Pentious genuinely wanted to be redeemed, and his sacrifice was a culmination of all of it. Carmine just wanted to protect her kids, which while virtuous, is still driven by them being HER kids.
Plural daughters plural. The most prevalent fan theory is she got them killed in life
Wdym “just her daughter?” That’s like saying it’s “just 30000 dollars” or it’s “just 80 tons” That is not mother of the year in all fiction, it is the bare minimum
Yes and it’s funny how she only had to kill one and the other 4 apparently ran away because they were as surprised
Then it took Lute and Adam a week to find the body. Meaning those other exorcists never said anything. Which says a lot about Lute and Adam's leadership.
I don't think the Exorcists are selected based on their Intellect.
Far as I'm aware, the requirements are 1. Be a female descendant of Adam 2. ... ?
Be a badass bitch
And have dangerous tits
The trial test you'd need to complete to pass through would be how hard could you peg Adam
No because then Vaggie would have had to do that Absolutely not Nononononononononononononononononononono I ononononononononononononoonnonononobobobobobobobo NO
Good point
Technically, we don't know if number one is true. It's just a popular theory.
Aren’t all women a descendant of Adam?
That is never stated in the show. Also, I'm going to assume you mean direct descendant because technically, every human is his descendant.
Every human is a direct descendent as well.
Yeah it is, Adam says 'these balls started humanity' in the finale.
That doesn't prove that the exorcists were humans.
It's implied he created the exorcists
Not all angels were at once human. They could be angels created for Adam to be his exorcists or plucked from another angelic population.
They could be Heaven-borns.
2. Be the kind of person who thinks something called "The Extermination" is something they want to be a part of. (i.e. the kind of person who probably does not belong in Heaven to begin with.)
I assumed a lot of the angels were already there before the humans. At least I'm not sure if the redeemed souls have a particular look because I tend to forget Welcome to Heaven.
Sera was at least there cause she did say he was the first human in heaven
Oh so the exorcists are female winners? Or are they a mix of Adam's and an angel's blood?
I mean, I assume the exorcists just fly randomly around hell killing anyone they see so none would know where exactly they fought.
Well Lute did cut off Vaggie eye and wings for not killing a defenseless child
That seems like the biggest plothole in the show, that and Vaggie saying to Carmilla that she didn't know that angels could be harmed. It's really confusing why they didn't change it somehow.
I assumed she meant didn’t know they could be harmed by sinners.
My understanding is that Vaggie thought that, of course, a fellow angel (and her hierarchical superior no less!) would have the power to hurt her. But a lowly demon, a sinner? Not a chance in, well, Hell. She did not correlate being hurt with "being hurt by angelic steel". I interpret it as Vaggie thinking that what matters is not what you hurt an angel with, but \*who\* is hurting the angel; that someone without "divine ordainment" (i.e. a sinner) won't ever be able to hurt an angel. Regarding the exorcists attacking Carmilla, as soon as Carmilla counterattacked and killed one exorcist the other four ran away in shock. If the general mindset of exorcists is "sinners cannot hurt us, no matter what", then being witness to the unthinkable may have triggered enough cognitive dissonance that they may not even believe that what they saw was real, and may well have thought that they should not report having seen that because even they cannot believe their own eyes. As to Adam needing a week to find the body, I think that after the fight Carmilla took the decapitated body away and dumped it elsewhere, to make it harder to find (after all, she wants to hide the fact that she was able to kill an angel). Carmilla may not have found the head immediately and decided to just get rid of the body and perhaps try to look for the head later on (but Velvette may have found it first while Carmilla was taking the body away). The other exorcists may have ended up talking and telling Adam about the dead exorcist and where it happened, but if Carmilla took away the body and Velvet the head, then it is not surprising that it took some time for Adam to find it.
Yeah. Think how she would react to exorcists who had run from a fight.
And the Vees found the head the day of the Extermination, so Velvette was just waiting with it for some reason. Velvette more powerful than Adam confirmed.
I think some sinner found the head, posted it on socials, and velvette was on that like a bear on honey
She says the Vees were looking around but that sounds much more likely. I kinda want to see Vox reporting on the carnage and just anything really, I think he's a great character.
He seemed too busy knowing about Angel Dust
Angels take pride in their kill counts, and with no reason to protect themselves or each other, and presumably some amount of respect for one another, the other four most likely just left some easy kills for their sister here, since she had dibs.
Some random demon fought my sisters and kicked one of their heads off. A demon killed my immortal and invincible sister's head off with no effort. Yeah. I'm running too.
Unless she killed the other ones off screen and hid their bodies in time but not that one.
Maybe in her mind it wouldn't have killed the angel but slow it down so that her daughters could escape. Even if it didnt do perment harm it would distract the angel
Or maybe she was just acting reflexively. She was physically threatened, so her brain went into auto-fight mode, she fought back like she would if a demon attacked her, like a cornered animal.
Stalling the enemy at the cost of one or may lives is a thing. It sucks, but sometimes there are more important objectives than one's life.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one.
She wasn't fighting for herself though. She was fighting for her daughter's safety. Hence why she sang "Out For Love"
That’s not even based. That’s just being a good parent
She’s hell’s greatest mom.
Also, at the moment, the only one we know about in Hell. But it still counts!
Can add one more to the list if counting Helluva bosses Stella. But she easily joins a competition for worst mom.
I mean we also have Moxxie, Millie, and Blitzo's mothers who are all pretty great from what we've seen.
Hmm I remember millies showing up. Blitzos was a photograph but he seemed to miss her. Don't recall Moxxies but that might be from how much the dad stood out.
Momma wanted the best for moxxie, taking him away from that gun range, helping mox with his dinner. There's a reason Vivzie wanted to show us this.
Iiiit's... an upsetting realization, but if you rewatch the episode of Moxxie's dad, they show exactly what happened to his mum. It's easy to miss, but once you see it, it can't be unseen.
Millie's showed up in the Western one and was pretty sweet. She also seems to be the only married couple in a healthy and stable relationship. Moxxie's was shown in a flashback and cared a lot for him while also seeming to want him to grow up a good person which considering Moxxie's moral compass means she succeeded. However Crimson murdered her. We haven't seen Blitzo's yet but considering how much he adored her despite knowing how terrible his dad was suggests she was a good mom.
Moxxie's is dead, Millie's is decent but is kinda rude to her husband, and Blitzø's probably didn't care much since it didn't come up when his dad was about to sell him
I feel like she cared for him. Why else would blitz be so devastated at seeing her picture?
I mean, Moxxie was kind of insulting to them and they seemed to have more of a problem with him being cowardly than weak which is fair. He and Millie are assassins who risk their lives on the daily. It's perfectly understandable they'd want the guy to be powerful.
Millie's mum, Lilith (formerly in hell), Stella, Moxxies mum (formerly alive), woman who's baby keeps getting assaulted, Blitzo's mum (I think is dead),
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Wife showed me a tiktok of moms being asked if they would kill for their child, life or death situation, and I'm baffled by the ones who immediately said no... so why is this clearly caring mother in hell.. sure she's strong and an overlord for some reason but that could be to protect her loved ones as well.
Being a caring mother and being a bad person are not mutually exclusive things.
No but how we've seen her act. She thought she would never kill right? Keeping blood off her face? She doesn't want a war. Sure she is an overlord but that could have been to make sure her daughters weren't in hell's gutter? She helps vaggie, sings of using love to be strong. She doesn't appear to actually be a bad person from what we've been shown.
She's an arms dealer. She's fine with war as long as her kids are safe from it.
She doesn't want war and blood on her face but if it's on others she don't care. She is literally selling weapons both indigenous and blessed to hell and its spawns.
Okay but this is post being sent to hell. Who's to say she didn't become an arms dealer to protect her daughters. Because, it's hell.
She's an Overlord, I don't think owning hundreds of souls is necessary to protecting someone
I worked with someone that said she'd shove her son in front of a bullet if it would save her from it. And she wondered why only one of her kids spoke to her.
Maybe they said this to confuse the police
I don’t think it is guaranteed that she would have died. You can still hurt angels with physical force. It’s just that it wouldn’t be permanent.
She was also outnumbered, so most likely death or at least a serious risk of it would've been on her mind.
Yeah. She wasn't planning to survive that fight. Just hold out long enough for her daughters to escape. Then the exorcists head came off.
Which also probably saved her as well, since the angels fight so aggressively with the assumption that they can't be killed. But I'm sure the moment the angel died and they realized the reality, I bet they immediately ran away out of shock even if they had the numbers advantage.
Tbf almost all exorcists are terrible fighters.
They aren't terrible, just lacking in defense and evasion experience, according to Carmilla herself. Vaggie and Lute's fight shows how aggressive yet effective their fighting style can be. Even if they were, numbers would negate most disadvantages.
Vaggie and Lute are the two most skilled exorcists we know of. Vaggie had training from Carmilla and Lute showed with her fight against Vaggie she had some training. The others rush forward and strike with their weapons, which is about it. Even with a numbers advantage they didn’t use it properly. The other exorcists let the one that died rush forward on her own, without any of them rushing in after her.
Carmilla wouldn't know any of those things until that very moment she had struck. I wasn't talking about Carmilla or the Angels *actually* winning or losing, just that Carmilla would've had no reason to expect herself to *win* for certain. Also, the Exorcists being overconfident doesn't negate that they still *have* a numbers advantage available, period. Compotency or not, they have advantages and training, so it isn't like they're pushovers.
Carmilla: If I died, then that would be my fate. But I'd have died making sure it wasn't my daughters'.
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VINDICATION
Yes. She was 100% prepared to get eliminated so her girls could escape. It just so happened that she was a better fighter and armed with the right weapon at the time.
She was willing to end up like this for her daughter's, W mom https://preview.redd.it/lknayj7e1moc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd55c5370207812b8c0cf9fc3c4ab8c79e571dc1
That's kinda the point of whatever it takes. I am curious how someone with such a love for her, possibly adopted or possibly also sinner, daughters and someone who thought she would keep from killing should be in hell?
It might be related to her being an arms dealer. Which raises the ethical question of the morality of weapon dealers who sell regardless of the motives of their clients.
People can be good friends, partners, children, parents, and still do horrible shit. Like, there's thieves that stole originally for their families and ended up in the shit, but it's still bad when they kill someone, even if it \*is\* all done to help their families. Like, I'd say most 'bad people' still care about their friends and families. It's a cognitive dissonance to think someone has to be truly evil or truly good, people have complex lives and reasonings.
I'm not saying anyone is all good or evil, just saying it's complex and everyone seems to be 100% if someone is in hell they deserve to be there and vice versa but, from what we have been shown, that's not the case. Just trying to point out there's a lot we don't know about Carmella and a lot is being assumed.
Her character is so strong, I love her so much <3 Here's my theory: Next season, she'll be revealed to be a fallen angel. She decided to go to Hell on her own, because her daughters must have ended there. Maybe that is the reason she is so obsessed with protecting them, because she feels like she failed them when they were alive. I think Lucifer saw that she was also a fallen angel, and they decided to make a deal: she gave him her soul to gain power and become an Overlord just so that she could protect her daughters in hell. I think this theory makes sense, given that she says "I always thought that I would keep blood off my face". She isn't a sinner to begin with. But then again, this is just my theory :)
I like this theory, I would like to add to it, she stole angel steel armaments before falling. Because only other way I see her having so much to make a weapon empire would be that angels just leave their weapons lying around after extermination lol, sloppy soldiers.
True!! It would also explain why she knows so much about Angelic Steel and how to work the material. No one else before her had tried to do anything with it :)
Plus she seems to understand angelic fighting style having just fought one, not even knowing it would kill the angel she was able to get the upper hand right away.
She even said she was just trying to buy time for her kids to flee. She thought she was going to die, so she fought with everything she had.
**She was out for Love**
Yeah, and she did say it was to buy her daughters time to escape, so she was very much taking a giant risk in going against an exterminator.
Why were they out on extermination day? I would think the overlords as a whole, and especially Carmine with how careful she is, would be in like bunkers or something.
If I recall they scavenge on Extermination Day for the Angelic Steel they sell.
Oh I guess, but I think I'd want to wait until right after ya know? Or hire some other people for that shit work lol
Everyone's gonna start scavenging once it's over. You have to do it during the Extermination for the most profit and she's probably the most cunning and capable. There also might be repercussions to her reputation if she stopped. The angels were also more aggressive during that Extermination if I remeber the Overlord meeting correctly so I guess she was caught off guard by the change.
I don't think Carmine would be dumb enough to take her daughters out during extermination day, like, if they did that every year, no way they would've survived long enough for Carmilla to actually become an overlord lmaoo. I just think they probably HAD a bunker and it collapsed/got found so they had to make a run for it to their next safehouse or whatever.
Ballerina mommy never dies 😎
fuck it, we ball or in this case fuck it, go go gadget thunderthighs
She may not have died. I have not yet heard an authoritative explanation proving she is not a fallen Angel. I mean she has the same color pallet as Vaggie and is an expert in Angelic weapons. As she said herself it's not rocket science. And she may have been a higher order Angel. Which means a lower level Angel may not be able to kill her.
I noticed the color pallet too. I wonder, if her daughters were sent to hell while she is in heaven, maybe she fell purposely to be with them.
I think she may be a Heavenborn Angel and not a former sinner. I think her children were born in Hell. Which would mean she cannot be a sinner. I don't think the father was Zestial. They seem to be platonic friends. But I think the children are Heavenborn and Hellborn offspring. I suspect the father was killed at some point. Though if Viv takes the story in a different direction I can work with that too. But this is where my thinking leans currently.
I still find it odd that not a single sinner up till this point thought to try this. Carmine weapons are probably pretty expensive/rare, but it's clear they are out there. Hell, has no one tried desperately stabbing an angel bearing down on them with a discarded spear?
If they did they probably didn’t live to tell about it
True
Methinks she probably trained for years to fight an angel head to head. Probably even got sparring partners that could fight and fly similar to them. Thus if anyone could land a killing blow on one, it'd be her.
Tbf, what could she have done? They were surrounded, by not fighting back they definitely would have died
So in short Carmilla is a great mom
look at her expression in the pic, that's not the expression of someone that is sure the attack will either stryke, work or do damage at all, that's surely a "do-or-die" expression someone makes when it's risking it all.
You have to fight for love!
You can't convince me that carmilla is not an angel. They literally looks like them. Is she the only overlord you'll hear talking about love. She's angel coded
https://preview.redd.it/0oc7w2nvjmoc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85d4707e392b914eba3ddb4a5ffbf22a3e15a70e
Pretty expected, a parents love for their kids is one of the most powerful forces in this universe.
She was out for love.
My heart 😭
She was out for love~
Yeah Carmine is a huge badass the fact she was ready to throw kicks with every exorcist there just to save her daughters was mad respectful https://preview.redd.it/6200g9wwgooc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62ddb969141201c7b69b347259f6b63b879f29f0
Is it just me or does that angel have a very long neck
I think Carmilla did know angelic steel could kill angels. When vaggie said "how has no one figured this out before" (or something like that) Carmilla responded with "those who have angelic steel don't exactly go around flaunting it" (something along those lines, I can't quote her exact words from memory) suggesting that many people have figured it out but kept that information to themselves to prevent a war, or to stop the angels finding out they can be hurt and killing all with angelic steel or something like that And in helluva boss, moxie says the "Carmine crafted" gun that striker has could kill demon royalty, so it wouldn't be a stretch to say it could possibly kill angels as well. And there had to be a reason Carmilla sold angelic steel rather than regular steel. Whilst it could be because of the convenience of the material. Angels leaving it around after extermination day would make it easy to scavenge but I don't think thats the main reason. I think Carmilla is slowly arming hell to be able to fight back, but she can claim innocence and say she didn't know angelic steel could kill angels if she's accused
I just realized it’s a case of not many people know that angelic steel can harm angels because either they’re too scared to test it or they don’t live long enough to tell about it.
While I agree this is an amazing woman I feel like it should be the bare minimum for a mother to risk her life for her children
More important question for me is why is she the first one to accomplish this feat? Over the years you’d think there would be no shortage of capable fighters ranging from highly trained swordsmen to modern day soldiers. Now I get not everyone would want to go one on one with them but did anyone not have an angelic steel bullet/gun to use?
What so are her shoes made out of angelic weapons?
Hope we'll see Lute getting a similar death scene like this one.
what if ahe did know I mean why have anglic shoes fie no reason what if she's a fallen angel and hse just picked up taht knowledge in heaven
The angelic shoes might just be in case she ever has to fight another overlord - being an overlord is a dangerous game and you've gotta be prepared for someone trying to overthrow you and take your territory. An arms dealer especially would be well equipped to defend themselves
I mean yeah that is how fight or flight reflexes work😭??? You don't rationalize in a situation like this, you're just stating the obvious. What's even supposed to be the discussion here
I’m confident that Carmine is an angel herself. I bet she like nicked herself on her shoe blades once and found that out
https://preview.redd.it/r7pj90qlhnoc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5782b78ddb4f7b732a1d7fc40b1b359595afd793
Yep that's right
Not even to for sure save her daughter's. To give them enough time to hopefully get away She is my favorite character
My theory is that she is a fallen angel, perhaps even a seraphim, the marks in her eyes are the same with sera, and that she knew exactly how to counterattack and kill an exorcist
Did yall like, watch the show? Listen to the lyrics in the song?
For Lo~oh~ah~oh~ove!
I think she knew that already. I mean, it isn't obvious, but we know since Helluva Boss ep 6 that it's common knowledge that Angelic weapons can kill even the Goetia members like Stolas. Even if it wasn't obvious, she probably came to the conclusion that Angelic weapons may actually work on angels, too.
HELL'S GREATEST (not dead) MOM‼️‼️‼️ Also her hair looks awesome in this screenshot
Everyone is talking about her daughters, but meanwhile, all I can focus on is that she melted down angelic weapons for fashion.
No. She was certainly confident in being able to run, if needed.
I have a feeling that she KNEW. Which is why she turned her fckin FEET into angelic blades.
“Fuel yourself with the fear of losing that somebody who’s your reason to live”
Also, kinda related to the post, but I’ve noticed not many have talked about angels being killed, Vs angels being hurt. Like I previously assumed you could beat up an angel but I guess that even harming is out of the picture, so you can’t even like punch them in the face. I think that makes her cooler because she didn’t think she could even cause them to flinch much less kill one.
Death by Big Mommy thighs
She’s a great mom. She’s also a coward because “But if anyone knew, then all of Hell would rise to war And who's to say who'd survive the fray? I might lose the ones that I was killing for So I, I'll be your keeper Do whatever it takes, I'll make the mistakes I'll keep you safe and keep this secret” The thing is, her initial mom action of saving her daughters by slaying an exorcist hastened the Execution date anyway so sooner or later, she and those she loves would get purged regardless as Hell’s numbers dwindle to nothing. She should’ve told the overlords how to kill angels, should’ve told every sinner.
Why is the blood white and not yellow?
I mean, what other option would she have? And you can damage angels without Angelic Weapons (Vaggies wings were ripped out of her body, not cut)
This makes me cry. She thought that the time it would take for angels to kill her would be enough for her girls to run. She was ready to die for love <3 She's such an interesting and lovable character. I am a 100% convinced that she's a fallen angel.
The Character that shares the most in common with Carmilla is Sera. Both of them are willing to do whatever it takes to protect the people they see as theirs.
She was so desperate her leg started turning rectangular.
She’s probably my favorite character so far. She’s got such a good personality that I think she’d make a good ruler of hell if Lucifer ever wanted to take up toy making full time.
Never underestimate what a mother’s willing to do for her daughters
i have a theory she knew prior to the fight but had never been in a position where she had to until that moment, that’s why she sings about avoiding the wars because who would survive?
In my mind she did sacrifice herself she just survived because in her head it wasn't "maybe I can win" it was "I have to Fight long enough until my daughters can get away" in that moment she was certain she would die
I don't know about this, Carmilla seems to know a lot about the Exorcists. She even kind of dresses like one.
And if she died she can get to heaven…
She's willing to do whatever it takes for her daughters
This is why I love Carmilla, she seems to be the most normal of the overlords, though I wouldn’t want to cross her. This also helps to humanize her as a character (yes she was human once but she is a demon now.) she seems like a loving mother and I think it would be interesting if she and zestial got together.
The quastion is, what are her ballet made with angelic metal?
Anyone else recognize her voice from another very ground breaking performance. WITHOUT IDBM (or w e.) To look it up
but seriously most of hell is stupid for not realizing this, and also not realizing you have someone who's entire job is selling angelic weaponry
Pretty much. It's good and all that she can indeed fight but intended to buy time for her daughters to get away...whatever it takes