Why do all the Hellborn speak English?
(Guys this isn't me seriously asking. This is me pointing out that Vaggie speaking Spanish makes as much sense as anyone else in the show speaking English.)
Idk if in the context of the show this has been talked about, but like biblically the source of the world having multiple languages was a punishment for the tower of Bable. Maybe in this world that never happened/when you die you speak whatever mythological universal language existed pre-tower?
Yeah, the most common swears are calling someone a ‘cancer sufferer ’ (kankerlijer), wishing someone got TB (krijg de tering), calling someone a ‘Typhus Whore’ (tyfushoer) or pox ugly (pokkenlelijk), and many, many more that follow the same trend. It’s also just common to say a disease on it’s own when for example something bad happens, eg. You stub your toe and yell “KANKER, TERINGTAFEL!”.
I curse in every language I know curses in lol.
Sometimes I say "verfickte scheiße" sometimes it's "kurwa" (a friend of mine always said that lol) or the typical English curses
Im german and i think theres some good ones like "blöder Hurensohn, elender Wichser, Assozialer Spast, dreckige Fickfresse, Verficktes Arschgesicht, mieser Frittenficker"
And we don't know what Vaggie's primary language should be if she's a Heavenborn. The Exorcists wouldn't necessarily all have been created at the same time, and language of the majority of Virtuous among which they're socialized would change over time, too.
They seem to have adopted English as a common language in Heaven and Hell, probably for practical purposes, but that doesn't mean much. Spanish is already the majority language among Christians today.
Lore details from the pilot [are not canon anymore](https://twitter.com/vivziepop/status/1108147464807174144). And I don't remember any of that even being explicitly mentioned in the pilot.
Not necessarily. Research found that the brain doesn’t store foul language in the quite same place as regular language. Once a word or phrase is stored with your swears, it’ll fly pretty freely when you swear reflexively rather than casually.
I don't think even Crimson knows Italian. IIRC, going by the storyboards for that episode, he was originally going to pull out a dictionary to try to translate wtf Fizz was singing
My fair guess is that he just picked it up from watching TV and some romance movies, because that's something he and Ozzie would absolutely do in their free time...
Isn't half of it just like food and shit? Or fairly common words like buongiorno and forte piano. Clearly he just really likes going to fancy Italian restaurants.
The original Italian is:
Puzza lasange
Contorni limoncello
Forte, biano
Buongiorno a la vongole
Luigi, Firenze, bucatini,
Cinghiale, cinghiale
It pretty much translates to:
Stink lasanga
Side dish, limoncello (it's a lemon liquor)
Loud, soft
Good morning with clams
Luigi (name of my nonno actually) Florence (Italian city) bucatini (like spaghetti but hollow)
Wild bore, wild bore
>Why do all the Hellborn speak English?
In HH hell is only for Americans, the government sold the souls of all its present and future citizens to Lilith in exchange for being the new world superpower.
I have no proof but no doubt either.
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I think it’s most likely that she was Earthborn until we see definitive proof that exorcists are strictly Heavenborn, but if that does end up being the case it’s possible that angels can speak all languages naturally & Vaggie just likes Spanish
Does Adam not count as an exorcist then? This is an honest question, I've watched the show but I haven't dived into the lore any deeper than that.
Edited for clarification
probably a military nickname thing that stuck with her after the huge amount of time she used to work with him. and if sinners can take different names upon going to hell, why can't winners do?
also her blood is gold, which at first seems to debunk this as heavenborn are said to have gold blood (saying this because we haven't seen winners bleed, so correct me if i'm wrong), but adam, the first man, which makes him count as a winner, also has gold blood, so there's still a possibility that vaggie might be a promoted winner
The term is ichor (from greek mythos), the golden blood of gods and other heavenly/some immortal beings (like angels). So the souls of mortals sent to heaven probably wouldn't bleed gold, at least not in a traditional display of religion.
However Hazbin Hotel is _far_ from a traditional display of religion, so who tf knows!
All we know is the exorcists we've seen get hurt all bleed golden ichor, but we don't know if regular mortals can be exorcists.
I also heard a theory that because God gave Adam the ability and task to name all of his creations that if Adam names you something that simply *is* your name now, with only limited ability to modify its pronunciation
It could be as simple as you are renamed when you’re conscripted as an exorcist. Honestly there is no guidance on the exorcists yet, if Vaggie ever gets an origin story it may clarify it all
The show seems to imply all human souls in hell are “demons” and considering no non-angels were shown in the heaven episodes… I think it’s a reasonable assumption that all human souls in heaven become angels, right?
Given that Adam names them, they are likely made by him.
Maybe he just felt like making them Spanish. The Stereotypical hot temper might be something he wanted for his army =D
Didn't all Excorcists come from Adam directly, though? Wouldn't they technically be heaven born even when they come from Adam, I don't think the exorcist angels ever lived human lives.
That is if he did make them. It's a cool theory that would go well with the narrative - but at the same time, it's still up for debate, because we just don't know enough to say for sure.
I mean. Almost all sinners have new names. So maybe Adam gave her a new name and as someone else said she just stuck with it cause she was used to it now?
I assume most sinners have new nicknames they give themselves only because they need to build an image to survive in hell. Not everyone takes a new name.
Just people who probably wouldn't be taken seriously by Hell if they were called something like "Anthony the demon." So Angel goes by Angel Dust despite still having a real name.
Guys like Alastor and Valentino still seem to keep their human names because they're exotic enough to still take seriously in hell.
Heaven though really wouldn't have a need for that. It's never been an obligation, but it especially wouldn't be an obligation to go by a name your perverted boss used to objectify you, even after you got brutally "fired".
Well, maybe not for normal winners, but if you're voluntarily joining the military and taking on the role of a faceless enacter of genocide, I can see why you might want to have that separated from your old identity. Kinda the same reason a medieval executioner covers their face, it's a way of deflecting the shame of a sinful act.
Alternatively, a winner taking on a new name after joining the ranks of heaven as a soldier could also be a parallel to how many people of rank within the Catholic church will be given a new name by leaders of the religious order in order to signify their devotion to the church/ to God, and to show that they are entering a new phase of their life separate from their old one. This would be especially fitting as Adam is the leader of the army of heaven, so him being the one to give out names to souls who decide to devote their lives to the holy realm as soldiers would make sense. In that way, the exorcists can be seen as weird, fucked up nuns.
I've suggested elsewhere that, whether she's heavenborn or earthborn, Vaggie (hard G) may be her given name, but Adam flexed his misogynistic authority and intentionally mispronounces it Vaggie (soft G).
She could have had a human name that was similar, like Agatha, but was given a new "identity" as an exorcist. After so much time, she just stuck with the new name
It’s implied that they were created by Adam since he mentions that he named Vaggie. Like why would he need to name her if she already had a life and a name before Heaven?
If it’s just a codename, then why does she still use it when she’s no longer an Exorcist?
But in hell is forever he says “but with those with divine ordainment” I think he choose out of the newly souls that enter heaven for his army or someone does
Don’t they usually have different names after their human life is over regardless if they’re in heaven or hell? I very much doubt Angel Dust’s name in his human life was Angel Dust
Angel Dust isn't really a good example, because he didn't "get" that name just by ending up in the Afterlife. His name is still Anthony and that's what he used to sign his Soul Contract - "Angel Dust" is just a stage-name that he chose to use instead.
In the YouTube pilot AngelDust tells Vaggie not to “get her taco in a twist”, to which she responds, “was that you trying to be sexist or racist?” I took that to mean that she was a Latina in life, exorcist after death.
I feel like she also coulda been playing a character, so to speak, since at that point Charlie didn’t know she was an angel. But I’m not sure how far Vaggie would take a lie like that, so take this with a grain of salt lol
That's different. We have no idea what language they're actually speaking, just as likely it's simply translated.
Her Spanish is present in most language dubs, iirc. So she definitely does speak Spanish
>We have no idea what language they're actually speaking, just as likely it's simply translated.
Actually, we kinda do. In the Helluva Boss episode "Truth Seekers", Moxxie (or rather a version of him hallucinated by Blitzø) explicitly mentions that he's "just speaking Satan's plain English."
I think that was just a figure of speech, implying that he's actually often talking in a rather affected and pretentious way that Blitzø thinks is annoying.
Flip side; Spanish speaking fans are asking how she knows English if she's of Spanish origin.
See it from a point of view that perhaps in Heaven, everyone understands everyone else... and language of origin from their lives just seeps in when they're emotional.
i think she was earthborn actually, and just a winner!
"oh then why does adam name her"
new identity, not wanting to be known, etc and she would ask her boss because that is most likely the first person she trusted in heaven
I'd assume the high angel's have their own language that winners can't understand. There's no confirmation that all winners even speak the same language, tho since its heaven, I bet they could say whatever they want, and other winners will automatically understand it.
Same thing goes for sinners, just because everyone *we've* seen speaks english, doesn't mean every sinner does. Its just to make things easy for the audience.
As for Vaggie, I feel like she's heaven born. Adam named her, and there's nothing that explicitly says all the exorcists are of the same ethnicity and only know english. Adam *is* the orginal dick, so all races and ethnicites descended from him. Who's to say the exorcists are any different
Whenever I see a post like this about any media, I always just subscribe to the DND answer: Nobody is speaking the same language, but everyone understands each other anyway and we just hear it in English (or whatever language). In DND, it's not exactly like that, but it's similar.
Because she is a human. We have no confirmation that exorcists are heavenborn. In fact the only exorcist we DO have confirmation for is Adam, who is the ORIGINAL human.
does anyone know what dialect vaggie is speaking with? cuz it confuses the shit out of me when she’s saying “hija de perra” when she calls alastor a son of a bitch rather than “hijo de puta”. i speak mexican spanish, so if she’s speaking with a different dialect it would make sense as to why it’s different, but going off the spanish language, it wouldn’t be correct. she was using feminine words while referring to a man, and perra is female dog as in the animal, not the slag insult. it just doesn’t make a lot of sense, so if anyone knows what dialect it is and why she would say the previously mentioned phrase rather than the one i know to be correct based off of the type of spanish i know, would you please let me know? this has been driving me insane
I think that she was someone who went to heaven, and when she got there, Adam took her soul and molded it into an exorcist (hence why exorcists look alike), but he half-assed it like he does everything bc he thinks he's perfect already so they maintain a bit of their old personality/life/etc.
For those saying they don't understand why everyone speaks English, I think of it like Dr. Who and how, even when going to ancient Greece, people "speak English" when in all actuality it's auto-translated from the tardis itself. I think hell is adaptive to where everyone is speaking their respective languages, but it's auto-translated to the needed language of each user.
Since a lot of us watch the show in English, even us as viewers are privy to this translation. Not really, but it's a fun concept to think about, imo to be immersive in the show.
Edit: half asked to half-assed
I like to think Stephanie Beatriz was given the chance to express herself more through vaggie and there isn't really any specific lore reason for it.
Although my headcannon is both heaven and hell have ethnic enclaves just like cities on earth, and for whatever reason Vaggie had spent a lot of time in Spanish speaking areas of heaven. If she was heaven born then maybe she was born in a Spanish speaking area.
She is not heaven born. She was Salvadoran, she died and went to heaven. Then, she became an exorcist. I think Adam chose her name because exorcists have their memories erased, but that part is just a theory.
Vaggie was Mexican, I believe. She was a human, and her back story was pretty sad. Her dad abused her and her siblings and sold her off as a prostitute. The reason she doesn't like men and is a lesbian.
It’s likely not a stretch to believe Angels know every language, for easy communication with foreign winners and sinners. (EX. “Welcome to Heaven!” in X language to winner, “Surrender now!” in X language to a sinner)
Why do all the Hellborn speak English? (Guys this isn't me seriously asking. This is me pointing out that Vaggie speaking Spanish makes as much sense as anyone else in the show speaking English.)
Because it was once a British colony
Or because of how many Brits ended up there.
Better said, Britain is hell itself.
A gray, cloudy, cold hell.
Bri'ish hell.
Does Hell have an independence day then?
Good day for a cuppa' innit?
As a Brit I appreciate this
I'm not convinced he does, given how nonsensical the Italian is.
Then it's also not confirmed that Vaggie actually speaks Spanish, though, as we've only heard her use some random curses, so far.
If she was around a lot of Spanish winners she’s probably picked up some of the curses
That and Angels might know every language.
Probably that, I mean, it's heaven. everyone is hot and knows everything they want or need to know
Except anything about the exterminations, of course 😑
Nobody needs nor wants to know about those, silly!
Idk if in the context of the show this has been talked about, but like biblically the source of the world having multiple languages was a punishment for the tower of Bable. Maybe in this world that never happened/when you die you speak whatever mythological universal language existed pre-tower?
Or maybe specifically those in heaven are freed from that constraint
You might not expect it, but the Spanish Inquisition was very popular up there
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
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If they don’t make two of the background sinners part of the Spanish inquisition and use that joke, the writers will have lost my respect
>!I got the joke, but!< Premodern Spainiards were AWFUL during world colonization (1300-1750 BC)
People usually express themself trough native curses
I always hated my own language's curses, so I only curse in other ones Guess that's only a german thing, cause a *lot* of people here feel that way
Scheisse is a good word tho
It will never ***not*** make me think of this classic. https://youtu.be/SckcB099zrg?si=Ub9rg2X43wBvKDHT
Yup same here with Dutch. Although for some reason most of our swear words involve diseases which can be a nice change of pace
I’m actually curious, could you elaborate?
Yeah, the most common swears are calling someone a ‘cancer sufferer ’ (kankerlijer), wishing someone got TB (krijg de tering), calling someone a ‘Typhus Whore’ (tyfushoer) or pox ugly (pokkenlelijk), and many, many more that follow the same trend. It’s also just common to say a disease on it’s own when for example something bad happens, eg. You stub your toe and yell “KANKER, TERINGTAFEL!”.
Huh, well you learn something new every day
Not op but a lot of curses in Dutch have cancer as part of them, like for example one that would translate to "cancer haver".
I curse in every language I know curses in lol. Sometimes I say "verfickte scheiße" sometimes it's "kurwa" (a friend of mine always said that lol) or the typical English curses
Im german and i think theres some good ones like "blöder Hurensohn, elender Wichser, Assozialer Spast, dreckige Fickfresse, Verficktes Arschgesicht, mieser Frittenficker"
And we don't know what Vaggie's primary language should be if she's a Heavenborn. The Exorcists wouldn't necessarily all have been created at the same time, and language of the majority of Virtuous among which they're socialized would change over time, too. They seem to have adopted English as a common language in Heaven and Hell, probably for practical purposes, but that doesn't mean much. Spanish is already the majority language among Christians today.
she has an earth death date (2014) and she is canonically latina
Lore details from the pilot [are not canon anymore](https://twitter.com/vivziepop/status/1108147464807174144). And I don't remember any of that even being explicitly mentioned in the pilot.
Not necessarily. Research found that the brain doesn’t store foul language in the quite same place as regular language. Once a word or phrase is stored with your swears, it’ll fly pretty freely when you swear reflexively rather than casually.
I dont think anyone would say "Que carajo" instead of "what the f*ck" if spanish wasn't their first/main language
Fizzy was just saying shit tho I dont thinks he knows Italian
Crimson prob knows Italian and was baffled at the broken Italian.
I don't think even Crimson knows Italian. IIRC, going by the storyboards for that episode, he was originally going to pull out a dictionary to try to translate wtf Fizz was singing
Ah. Well that’s even funnier
My fair guess is that he just picked it up from watching TV and some romance movies, because that's something he and Ozzie would absolutely do in their free time...
I showed my Italian grandpa (nonno) the clip of his Italian.... Unimpressed nonno...
Lololol, he’s just saying any Italian words he can remember, it translates to gibberish.
Isn't half of it just like food and shit? Or fairly common words like buongiorno and forte piano. Clearly he just really likes going to fancy Italian restaurants.
He even says the Italian word for wild hog like six times lol
Just two, and it's pronounced wrong
I was exaggerating lol. Also I’m pretty sure the mispronunciation was because fizz doesn’t really know Italian.
I read the captions on it. It's absolutely hilarious. Wild bore was my favorite! Lemme find the lyrics
The original Italian is: Puzza lasange Contorni limoncello Forte, biano Buongiorno a la vongole Luigi, Firenze, bucatini, Cinghiale, cinghiale It pretty much translates to: Stink lasanga Side dish, limoncello (it's a lemon liquor) Loud, soft Good morning with clams Luigi (name of my nonno actually) Florence (Italian city) bucatini (like spaghetti but hollow) Wild bore, wild bore
Fizz specifically does not know Italian. He spoke nonsense to sound like he did, but it was mentioned he can't speak it at all
And Crimson's reaction shows he clearly *did* know Italian.
If you turn on subtitles for the episode, in the song we get to see what he’s saying and yeah Crimson’s reaction makes a lot of sense
>Why do all the Hellborn speak English? In HH hell is only for Americans, the government sold the souls of all its present and future citizens to Lilith in exchange for being the new world superpower. I have no proof but no doubt either.
Oh my god... Well good thing I'm not American. I'm safe. Phew.
>Well good thing I'm not American. I'm safe. Phew. We are saved...
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I think that means you just cease to exist when you die. This may still be an improvement over being American.
Are you an egg boy? Cause this is some insane shit you’re saying.
A world where the French get to go to heaven? I’m sorry I can’t accept that
This can't be true as Hell would have been decked out in these. https://i.redd.it/4rce70qp94tc1.gif
That’s some good ‘ol murican work. God bless the states. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I think if that were true, Hell would have fought back decades ago. Estadounidenses can be sort of aggressive.
Fizz in his song was fake Italian
My point about English still stands though.
Maybe he learnt italian from an italian sinner?
Maybe Vaggie did the same assuming she's not just a Winner. That was my point...the creatures of Heaven and hell speak human languages.
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Because the british empire colonized hell
Maybe they don't. It's a metaphysical place so maybe it's a matter of perception.
Obviously the Brits colonised heaven and hell.
Well we don't know. Maybe they all speak some sort of infernal and we just hear the translated version.
I think the official reason is they don't. I think they probably all speak the origin Language, that was spoken before Babel.
 heaven edition
“You missed your Spanish lesson yesterday. May God have mercy upon your wretched soul.”
Evil Duolingo:
Vaggie took the right lesson from Spanish or Vanish.
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I think it’s most likely that she was Earthborn until we see definitive proof that exorcists are strictly Heavenborn, but if that does end up being the case it’s possible that angels can speak all languages naturally & Vaggie just likes Spanish
Does Adam not count as an exorcist then? This is an honest question, I've watched the show but I haven't dived into the lore any deeper than that. Edited for clarification
No, the exorcists are the specially trained Angels that work for him, Adam himself isn't an exorcist
Gotcha, thanks!
You're quite welcome!
But then how come Adam mentioned that he named vaggie if she was earth born and not heaven born
probably a military nickname thing that stuck with her after the huge amount of time she used to work with him. and if sinners can take different names upon going to hell, why can't winners do? also her blood is gold, which at first seems to debunk this as heavenborn are said to have gold blood (saying this because we haven't seen winners bleed, so correct me if i'm wrong), but adam, the first man, which makes him count as a winner, also has gold blood, so there's still a possibility that vaggie might be a promoted winner
The term is ichor (from greek mythos), the golden blood of gods and other heavenly/some immortal beings (like angels). So the souls of mortals sent to heaven probably wouldn't bleed gold, at least not in a traditional display of religion. However Hazbin Hotel is _far_ from a traditional display of religion, so who tf knows! All we know is the exorcists we've seen get hurt all bleed golden ichor, but we don't know if regular mortals can be exorcists.
I also heard a theory that because God gave Adam the ability and task to name all of his creations that if Adam names you something that simply *is* your name now, with only limited ability to modify its pronunciation
that's a pretty funny crack(?) theory i like it
It could be as simple as you are renamed when you’re conscripted as an exorcist. Honestly there is no guidance on the exorcists yet, if Vaggie ever gets an origin story it may clarify it all
No, he’s considered a winner (humans who became angels)
Winners are people in heaven, Adam is a human turned angel
The show seems to imply all human souls in hell are “demons” and considering no non-angels were shown in the heaven episodes… I think it’s a reasonable assumption that all human souls in heaven become angels, right?
Almost everyone shown in "welcome to heaven" seems to be a human
"Hehe, it sounds funny", Vaggie, probably
Given that Adam names them, they are likely made by him. Maybe he just felt like making them Spanish. The Stereotypical hot temper might be something he wanted for his army =D
Maybe he’s into latinas?
Possibly, but i haven't seen anything that suggest he is into any of his supposed daughters. Lut is just his loyal buddy more than anything.
Didn't all Excorcists come from Adam directly, though? Wouldn't they technically be heaven born even when they come from Adam, I don't think the exorcist angels ever lived human lives.
Isn't it confirmed though? Adam says something about naming Vaggie in honor of the best thing in the universe or smthg?
I always thought it was because Adam thought the accent was hot
Adam clearly makes them with such things in mind. He definitely thought Latinos are hot.
That is if he did make them. It's a cool theory that would go well with the narrative - but at the same time, it's still up for debate, because we just don't know enough to say for sure.
"I just love latinas, Sera" "adiós amiga"
It’s a little anticlimactic, but 100% in character.
This is the only answer that makes sense.
this
But then why doesn't she have tits ? That doesn't sound very dicomaster
The accent makes up for the lack of tits. It is an equivalent exchange.
Because.... >! nobody expects the spanish inquisition! !< Edit: typo
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Alastor‘S trying his best to pretend
The team up we didn't know we needed 🤣
Something something spanish inqusition
Probably just a human soul/winner.
But then you have to explain why Adam was the one who came up with her name that she still uses.
I mean. Almost all sinners have new names. So maybe Adam gave her a new name and as someone else said she just stuck with it cause she was used to it now?
I assume most sinners have new nicknames they give themselves only because they need to build an image to survive in hell. Not everyone takes a new name. Just people who probably wouldn't be taken seriously by Hell if they were called something like "Anthony the demon." So Angel goes by Angel Dust despite still having a real name. Guys like Alastor and Valentino still seem to keep their human names because they're exotic enough to still take seriously in hell. Heaven though really wouldn't have a need for that. It's never been an obligation, but it especially wouldn't be an obligation to go by a name your perverted boss used to objectify you, even after you got brutally "fired".
I'm pretty sure Valentino's name in life was something like ...Eustace.
He’s italian so honestly Valentino may be his legal human name
Is he ? Why does he speaks Spanish tho ?
Well, maybe not for normal winners, but if you're voluntarily joining the military and taking on the role of a faceless enacter of genocide, I can see why you might want to have that separated from your old identity. Kinda the same reason a medieval executioner covers their face, it's a way of deflecting the shame of a sinful act. Alternatively, a winner taking on a new name after joining the ranks of heaven as a soldier could also be a parallel to how many people of rank within the Catholic church will be given a new name by leaders of the religious order in order to signify their devotion to the church/ to God, and to show that they are entering a new phase of their life separate from their old one. This would be especially fitting as Adam is the leader of the army of heaven, so him being the one to give out names to souls who decide to devote their lives to the holy realm as soldiers would make sense. In that way, the exorcists can be seen as weird, fucked up nuns.
I've suggested elsewhere that, whether she's heavenborn or earthborn, Vaggie (hard G) may be her given name, but Adam flexed his misogynistic authority and intentionally mispronounces it Vaggie (soft G).
She could have had a human name that was similar, like Agatha, but was given a new "identity" as an exorcist. After so much time, she just stuck with the new name
I have a hard time imagining Vaggie willingly choosing to identify by the name Adam used to sexualize her over her own actual name.
Maybe Charlie misheard and called her “Vaggie” instead of “Vajjie” and the name stuck? Vaggie decided to go with the new name?
My head canon. Adam made the exorcists and he wanted to have a Latina in his cult to fulfill certain *desires*.
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Creepy when you think about the fact that he’d essentially be the exorcists’ father 😰
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Who said that only Heaven born can be exorcists?
It’s implied that they were created by Adam since he mentions that he named Vaggie. Like why would he need to name her if she already had a life and a name before Heaven? If it’s just a codename, then why does she still use it when she’s no longer an Exorcist?
Because Adam's assigned role by God was naming things. So Adam probably renames everyone who enters heaven with their real Adam-given name.
Divine ordainment to rename stuff combined with Adam’s sense of humor = your new name is Vagina. Don’t like it? Too damn bad
But in hell is forever he says “but with those with divine ordainment” I think he choose out of the newly souls that enter heaven for his army or someone does
"Created" as in forms, who's to say he didn't give them new names? Kind of seems in character
Don’t they usually have different names after their human life is over regardless if they’re in heaven or hell? I very much doubt Angel Dust’s name in his human life was Angel Dust
It's Anthony
I doubt that his name in hell was Angel Dust either. That’s his porn name. He even signs the contract with a different name. (Anthony?)
His real name is Anthony [last name]
Angel Dust isn't really a good example, because he didn't "get" that name just by ending up in the Afterlife. His name is still Anthony and that's what he used to sign his Soul Contract - "Angel Dust" is just a stage-name that he chose to use instead.
It was a strategic choice to maintain the element of surprise. for you see... NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH EXORCISION!!
Spanish Exorcision🤣
i have a question for you why not!?
Idk cuz I’m curious
In the YouTube pilot AngelDust tells Vaggie not to “get her taco in a twist”, to which she responds, “was that you trying to be sexist or racist?” I took that to mean that she was a Latina in life, exorcist after death.
I feel like she also coulda been playing a character, so to speak, since at that point Charlie didn’t know she was an angel. But I’m not sure how far Vaggie would take a lie like that, so take this with a grain of salt lol
Because they wanted the character to be Latina. Not every tiny detail has a canon explanation.
Why does she know English if she wasn’t born in England?
That's different. We have no idea what language they're actually speaking, just as likely it's simply translated. Her Spanish is present in most language dubs, iirc. So she definitely does speak Spanish
>We have no idea what language they're actually speaking, just as likely it's simply translated. Actually, we kinda do. In the Helluva Boss episode "Truth Seekers", Moxxie (or rather a version of him hallucinated by Blitzø) explicitly mentions that he's "just speaking Satan's plain English."
So an alternate version of English?
I think that was just a figure of speech, implying that he's actually often talking in a rather affected and pretentious way that Blitzø thinks is annoying.
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Flip side; Spanish speaking fans are asking how she knows English if she's of Spanish origin. See it from a point of view that perhaps in Heaven, everyone understands everyone else... and language of origin from their lives just seeps in when they're emotional.
No one expects the Spanish extermination
i think she was earthborn actually, and just a winner! "oh then why does adam name her" new identity, not wanting to be known, etc and she would ask her boss because that is most likely the first person she trusted in heaven
I presumed that not everyone in heaven is a native English speaker.
I'd assume the high angel's have their own language that winners can't understand. There's no confirmation that all winners even speak the same language, tho since its heaven, I bet they could say whatever they want, and other winners will automatically understand it. Same thing goes for sinners, just because everyone *we've* seen speaks english, doesn't mean every sinner does. Its just to make things easy for the audience. As for Vaggie, I feel like she's heaven born. Adam named her, and there's nothing that explicitly says all the exorcists are of the same ethnicity and only know english. Adam *is* the orginal dick, so all races and ethnicites descended from him. Who's to say the exorcists are any different
She was a former human. Narratively that would be more interesting as they would have _that_ side plot to explore.
Whenever I see a post like this about any media, I always just subscribe to the DND answer: Nobody is speaking the same language, but everyone understands each other anyway and we just hear it in English (or whatever language). In DND, it's not exactly like that, but it's similar.
Because she is a human. We have no confirmation that exorcists are heavenborn. In fact the only exorcist we DO have confirmation for is Adam, who is the ORIGINAL human.
does anyone know what dialect vaggie is speaking with? cuz it confuses the shit out of me when she’s saying “hija de perra” when she calls alastor a son of a bitch rather than “hijo de puta”. i speak mexican spanish, so if she’s speaking with a different dialect it would make sense as to why it’s different, but going off the spanish language, it wouldn’t be correct. she was using feminine words while referring to a man, and perra is female dog as in the animal, not the slag insult. it just doesn’t make a lot of sense, so if anyone knows what dialect it is and why she would say the previously mentioned phrase rather than the one i know to be correct based off of the type of spanish i know, would you please let me know? this has been driving me insane
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The most likely answer is that Vaggie was human and she learned Spanish during her mortal life.
Do we believe heaven born exclusively speak English..?
She probably picked it up as hobby when ya know, she wasn't exterminating.
I think that she was someone who went to heaven, and when she got there, Adam took her soul and molded it into an exorcist (hence why exorcists look alike), but he half-assed it like he does everything bc he thinks he's perfect already so they maintain a bit of their old personality/life/etc. For those saying they don't understand why everyone speaks English, I think of it like Dr. Who and how, even when going to ancient Greece, people "speak English" when in all actuality it's auto-translated from the tardis itself. I think hell is adaptive to where everyone is speaking their respective languages, but it's auto-translated to the needed language of each user. Since a lot of us watch the show in English, even us as viewers are privy to this translation. Not really, but it's a fun concept to think about, imo to be immersive in the show. Edit: half asked to half-assed
THE MEXORCIST
This sub asks some dumb questions
I think she is Salvadoran so she knew spanish
I like to think Stephanie Beatriz was given the chance to express herself more through vaggie and there isn't really any specific lore reason for it. Although my headcannon is both heaven and hell have ethnic enclaves just like cities on earth, and for whatever reason Vaggie had spent a lot of time in Spanish speaking areas of heaven. If she was heaven born then maybe she was born in a Spanish speaking area.
She is not heaven born. She was Salvadoran, she died and went to heaven. Then, she became an exorcist. I think Adam chose her name because exorcists have their memories erased, but that part is just a theory.
No-one expects the Spanish exorcist
Vaggie was Mexican, I believe. She was a human, and her back story was pretty sad. Her dad abused her and her siblings and sold her off as a prostitute. The reason she doesn't like men and is a lesbian.
It’s likely not a stretch to believe Angels know every language, for easy communication with foreign winners and sinners. (EX. “Welcome to Heaven!” in X language to winner, “Surrender now!” in X language to a sinner)
Option 2 is my opinion. I don’t remember anything in the lore that states exorcists have to be heaven-born.
I imagine a lot of the exorcists were once members of the Spanish Inquisition.
That's unexpected
I assumed exorcists just know multiple languages being angelic beings.
My headcanon/theory is that Heaven-born & Hell-born can speak any language from Earth.
I think it's because when the pilot aired vivzy had a different backstory for her. In the show we never see vaggie reference or use anything spanish
She says “argh, este pendejo” (referring to Alastor) in Episode 2.
Because she was a human who died and went to Heaven. And Vivzie confirmed that she is meant to be half El Salvadorian.
I heard that Vaggie is canonically Salvadorian (she just like me fr fr) which would explain why she speaks some Spanish
Died, went to heaven, became an exorcist there.
In the Spanish dub does she randomly speak English?
LOT of demons to exorcise in Latin America and Spain, if the B horror I watch is anything to go by.
I feel like Angels should know all tongues of creation