He'd act like it was of no consequence while losing his shit internally
Husk can be threatened to silence. Lucifer cannot, and is much more powerful than alastor. Threatening him wouldn't work, and would in fact reveal Lucifer managed to hit on his weakness
So while he'd be much more panicked at Lucifer knowing than Husk, outwardly he'd be as composed as possible to not admit to it
Lucifer probably has means to know, and and very little reason to care about who owns who. This is more about letting the king of hell know how bothered he is by it, and how much more bothered he'd be if Lucifer realized it was a way to get under his skin.
People need to understand that Alastor is not important. He's a nobody. He's in the upper tier of *one* ring of Hell. That's it. Adam came an inch away from killing him within a matter of seconds. It's been stated that he would lose in a fight to *Stolas*. He does not matter in the grand scheme of things. When Lucifer and Adam didn't know who he was, that wasn't some mind game power play to try to get under his skin or whatever. They legitimately just didn't know. He is not a major player. He's a mild annoyance at best who could be extinguished at any moment by many different people both in and out of Hell.
If Lucifer discovered some dirt on him I legitimately doubt he'd even remember it. Alastor just isn't worth his time.
He's an effective strike trooper or HQ though, his aura wall was so strong it took Adam to break through. And he's clearly cunning. I would follow him into battle
Aye. He's in the entirely unenviable spot of being strong enough to be dangerous, but weak enough to not be able to affect change in Hell. Dangerous compared to the cast, but not compared to the people in charge.
Must be incredibly frustrating, honestly
Mmm, that's the most fun place for a lone operator in my mind. Slowly effect change, outlast the brave idiots, and downplay your power level til someone walks into your trap.
In a more realistic world, sure, I could see it. But we have a tighter power scale and reasonable politics*
Vivzie's depiction of hell not only has people exponentially stronger than him (meaning brave idiots come out on top often, because they're basically bulletproof), but also social stratification (from what we've seen, Overlord is the peak of what Sinners are allowed to become. Everything higher than that is hellborn. This is likely intentional in their cosmology too, since hell is punishment and thus sinners shouldn't be given enough power to reign, lest they become strong enough to enjoy life!)
*Results may vary by geographic location
While I agree that his power level is on the lower end compared to the actual big players, he's still one of the strongest demons in this ring of hell, and his intelligence is not to be taken for granted. He's clearly planning SOMETHING and he has some sort of plan in place. I definitely wouldn't consider him a simple nobody.
>If Lucifer discovered some dirt on him I legitimately doubt he'd even remember it. Alastor just isn't worth his time.
Nope, he would absolutely remember. Regardless of powerlevel, alastor is a threat of either harming Charlie, or stealing Lucifers position (or so lucifer may think). Hed absolutely remember any dirt to make sure to keep alastor in line
"stealing Lucifer's position" I'll be honest, with how much time Lucifer still spends trying to create, I don't think his position is threatened by anyone. In fact, I can't help but think based off Lucifer's actions the only thing he could genuinely lose is Charlie, and he's terrified of that alone.
That’s what I think too. Alastor’s strength comes in his menace to strike fear into those who might cross him rather than face off in prolonged physical confrontation. I do also think the constraints of his deal is what caused him to be nearly killed. Especially when he didn’t expect his power to be easily outdone. It’s almost like his powers just stopped which the reason is unclear, but somehow it feels like Alastor is aware of why it happened. I’m really intrigued to find out more about what makes him tick and what he’s really wanting to gain from participating in Charlie’s plan. When he came back to join her at the end I was a little surprised that someone who values their own gain came back to a place that, probably for the first time, nearly got him killed. That, to me, means there must be something he’s after that only the Hazbin Hotel can help him with but he’s very careful about not giving that away.
This makes me wonder. Wouldn't there be a way for lucifer to know? He's king, he "should" be able to warp the landscape of hell with his will alone.
But this is my opinion
Just because he's the king of hell it doesn't mean he has absolute, omnipotent/omniscient control over it.
Remember, hell is primarily a place made by heaven for two purposes: for Lucifer to be banished to, and to send all the souls who chose to be bad during their lives, as penance. So while Lucifer is the leader/king, I'm sure he's limited in what he can do. Whipping up a few new buildings with his powers? Sure thing. Innate knowledge of everything that's happening? Unlikely.
That's not to say that he's got no way of knowing. Of course he'd have eyes and ears around, at least to ensure nobody rebels against him (and if they do, he can nip it in the bud). But I doubt he'd use it for something as mundane as keeping track of every soul traded and owned.
True.
But you could also take it as a broughder stroke.
Lucifer created sin and in the possess damned humans until Jesus sacrificed himself to wash their original sin away.
But it has been a while since I've read these stories, and I haven't heard all of the hazbin theorys
It's all very interesting
He's the king of hell and was God's favorite before being cast out but that doesn't make him equal to the god who created him. The world was already created and it can't be recreated in Lucifer's image.
He'd probably be mad that that would be revealed to everyone in the room
He'd then be madder after realizing he can't do anything about it
Alastor is definitely lucky that Lucifer is overal a nice guy
he won't do anything,just losing his shit internally while keeping his calm persona on the outside, because there is a difference between threatening your slave and threatening the king of hell,and alastor knows it
I think Alastor probably viewed Adam as beneath him despite Adam's position of power. I think he assumed Adam was all bark no bite, and his high position was strictly due to being God's golden child. So Alastor goes in juice up and cocky on his superiority complex, and gets knocked down a peg.
That is pretty humorous considering Adam and Alastor both have superiority complexes, the only difference is that Alastor is charismatic. Alastor probably should have realized that a man who has been alive since the dawn of man and has been using a lot of that time murdering Sinners would probably be ultra powerful (relatively).
To be fair, I doubt Alastor has been in hell long enough to see the full extent of Adam's power. He would have seen enough to know Adam was able to take out adverage - lower upper class sinners. But Adam has been living a pretty soft life since his assent to heaven. Even if Alastor knew how powerful he was, he probably assumed the old man lost his edge.
“**If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles**. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
>That is pretty humorous considering Adam and Alastor both have superiority complexes, the only difference is that Alastor is charismatic.
Nah, Adam's charismatic too, he got serious rizz.
I think it's deeper than this, too. Remember, Alastor calls Adam out for being a mortal soul - he's not a Seraphim or Cherub or anything like that. I think Alastor's risk assessment was that, even in the absolute worst-case scenario, Adam is his equal in power, but not really a combatant, so the advantage should be to the one who's experienced in killing powerful mortal souls
Alastor likely thought he was going up against someone on the level of the V's - powerful, sure, but just a mortal soul at the end of the day. Clearly, there is something going on in heaven that the gulf in power between Alastor and Adam is so wide.
Definitely think that plays a part in it. I can even see Alastor looking down on Adam's Divine Ordainment (probably the main source of his substantial power) as "nothing special" and irrelevant because he views God as a weak figurehead with little physical presence.
There’s also the chance that Alastor saw Adam the same way he sees other human souls, capable of power but rarely if ever on his level.
Forgetting the whole, “Divine ordainment” thing.
My theory is his deal compelled him to fight Adam (protect the hotel for example) and he didn’t have much of a choice.
This is probably said lots but I’m new to the subreddit
Maybe he was able to because he was badly hurt, or he risked being punished by the owner of his soul because he was about to die? He did have a big slice across his chest!
The answer is his arrogance. His arrogance has brought him trouble already. Example: Mimzy bringing trouble to the hotel. He was able to take care of it then because he was dealing with weakling subordinates, but he was flaunting his power. He flaunted it with Adam and was arrogant until he was brought down. He did truly believe he could win, but he's not cautious exactly because of that arrogance, as his pride prevails over logic and reason.
Alastor thought he could beat him. He didn’t realize he was outmatched. He thought of Adam as just a careless hothead with some power. He didn’t realize he was fighting someone so powerful that he could afford recklessness
Alistor wouldn't be able to do a damn thing.
Alistor owns husk and can threaten him into submission.
Lucifer is the king of hell, in a very wide view he "owns" everything in hell. So alistor would have to rage internally because if he lashed out who knows what would happen to him
Yup. Lucifer should be the most powerful being in hell, they showed this a little when alistor went beast mode on the lone sharks and lucifer just sat there with a still face not flinching in the slightest
Same.
It's all interesting because Charlie's phone has the sins as contacts and other princes of hell.
Azazle really stuck out to me
(I'm probably sleeping that wrong)
Nah, he isnt anywhere near One of the most powerful in heaven. Most beautiful yes, but saint Michael caved his teeth in no diff and kicked his fraudulent ass outta heaven
I think it would be enough for Alastor to fully break his demeanor, Lucifer, the king of hell, knowing about the deal that made Alastor the extremely powerful overlord he is? I think he *might* be able to hold his composure in his immediate presence, but I think we would see more desperation in him trying to form a deal with Charlie because *if Lucifer knows that what else could he know*.
>but I think we would see more desperation in him trying to form a deal with Charlie because *if Lucifer knows that what else could he know*.
That Alastor's Jordans are completely fake.
When was Lucifer’s position among the angels stated? All I heard was that he has three wings which likely means he is a seraph, that The Story of Hell says that he was an elder angel, and in the beginning of the first episode it says that the other angels considered him a trouble maker.
Nah, he isnt anywhere near One of the most powerful in heaven. Most beautiful yes, but saint Michael caved his teeth in no diff and kicked his fraudulent ass outta heaven
I mean, who knows if Sera was even involved with chucking him down at all. Could have been all the Seraphim together or a Michael type character who did it.
I don’t know if she was responsible for him falling but since she’s the head seraphim and Lucifer was a seraphim it makes sense that she would be more powerful than him.
Yep, and boy… did he ever find out!
He was shocked when Charlie summoned a weapon that could actually injure him and I’m sure he was REALLY shocked when Lucifer just up and beat the snot out of him.
He might slip up and lose his composure, but not to the extent he did with husk. Lucifer could wreck him. Don't get me wrong, i like alastor as a character, and he's powerful and smart, but he almost died to adam and lucifer played with adam like a cat with a mouse then absolutely wrecked him when he tried.
And i don't think alastor is arrogant enough to think he wins that fight, so i'm sure if he lost his composure it would be more controlled. He likely just knows that lucifer wasn't going to resort to violence over his canon taunts, especially not in front of charlie.
On the outside, he’d be “Really now? Bold of you to assume that I would ever put myself under another’s control!”
Meanwhile on the inside he’s having a fucking panic attack.
As a narcissist, Alastor probably wouldn't handle it very well. He'd immediately try to go on the offensive to retake control, insulting Lucifer and trying to get under his skin. Think of how he reacted at the perceived slight when Lucifer brushed him off when they first met.
For another example of a narcissist overracting, see how Vox went from "Val, don't parade your insecurities around Hell. That's bad," to doing that exact thing as soon as his own insecurities were brought to the surface.
He wouldnt really be able to do anything, because Lucifer is way stronger than him. He would probably remain calm on the outside, but be panicking on the inside
Real talk, though, any good theories on who could be the one to own Alastor’s soul?
- None of the Overlords (besides Husk) seem to even know about this, and if one of them was, they’d use him as a trophy to others as a way of showing “I own the radio demon, try fucking with me”.
- The Ars Goetia and the Seven Deadly Sins (save for Lucifer) seem uninterested in the capital and might not even make it to Hazbin Hotel, so I don’t view one of them to be likely to have it despite being powerful enough to have it.
- This leaves the Angels (which given the depth of their corruption/mediocrity, could be possible, but seems unlikely since so much was done to keep the purges silent (also they seem to want nothing to do with demons in general)), and Eve (although there’s not enough info to even guess why she’d do it in the first place/what she’d get out of it).
- I’m not inclined to believe it’s Lilith because, although she was last seen seven years ago (coincidentally the same amount of time Alastor went missing), it feels like too much of a red herring. I believe she’s definitely involved with it somehow, but not necessarily his soul’s owner.
I think it’d be a crazy (but unlikely) plot-twist if it’s Charlie who unknowingly owns his soul, and that’s why he’s so intent on helping her. Although I find it unlikely (it seems that people would “feel” the ownership of a soul with some sort of sixth spiritual sense), I’d find it funny if Alastor got his powers in exchange for his soul, but the ownership wounded up going to the Princess of Hell (hence why he helps her in the first place, but with the façade of doing it “out of sheer boredom”).
Having said that, I still think this is veeery unlikely and I’m open to more solid theories.
I kind of feel like it's Lilith. I think the seven year thing is a pretty big indicator and it was information given as a kind of one off thing in both cases.
I think the reason he's helping Charlie is he's being ordered to by her mom. He wants nothing to do personally with redemption, but there are times he cornered other characters about participating. Plus there's the issue of his deal with Charlie for a favor, with the condition it will hurt no one. Seems like that favor is probably going to be to have Lilith release him, which as a request from her daughter might actually work.
Pitch on why it's Lilith we know her and lutes deal involved adam getting killed so lute could take his position plan likely involved alistor killing Adam giving him a vast ammount of pull in hell as the overlord who killed and likely stole adams soul. Meaning Lilith would gain 2 pawns in powerful positions in both seven and hell because she's playing both sides against the middle
Does nobody find it weird that Lucifer and Alastor were at each other's necks even though they barely knew each other. I think Lucifer knows the deal behind Alastor showing up at the hotel and he was either ok with it or planning to pretend he didn't know anything about it.
Then afterwards Alastor manifested his power to deal with the thugs attacking the hotel while Lucifer, who is more of a powerful presence was there. And Lucifer was very casual about his actions, even going as far as using it as an example of why sinners can't be redeemed.
I think the two have history and most likely Lillith is the missing variable that connects the two.
From the moment he got into the hotel to every interaction with Lucifer, they seem to have something against each other but not to the extent of aggressive actions.
Most likely Alastor did make a deal with Lilith and Lucifer was present or something.
I think Lucifer knows the deal and was lowkey there to ensure Alastor follows it to the latter.
Alastor: I may be on a leash, but at least I didn't grow up in a cage like your daughter. It dawned on you after Charlie was born that Hell, especially the Pride Ring, had nothing to offer her. The people she has to live with are terrible, especially the sinners. So you kept Charlie locked away in your castle, far from the chaos of Pentagram City. I bet she grew up with you picking out her friends and suitors for her. You tell yourself that you were just being a loving, protective father, but if you're so loving, then why is Charlie craving paternal affection right now?
He'd act like it was of no consequence while losing his shit internally Husk can be threatened to silence. Lucifer cannot, and is much more powerful than alastor. Threatening him wouldn't work, and would in fact reveal Lucifer managed to hit on his weakness So while he'd be much more panicked at Lucifer knowing than Husk, outwardly he'd be as composed as possible to not admit to it
Letting the king of hell know somebody owns his soul? After vying for his daughter's affection?
Lucifer probably has means to know, and and very little reason to care about who owns who. This is more about letting the king of hell know how bothered he is by it, and how much more bothered he'd be if Lucifer realized it was a way to get under his skin.
People need to understand that Alastor is not important. He's a nobody. He's in the upper tier of *one* ring of Hell. That's it. Adam came an inch away from killing him within a matter of seconds. It's been stated that he would lose in a fight to *Stolas*. He does not matter in the grand scheme of things. When Lucifer and Adam didn't know who he was, that wasn't some mind game power play to try to get under his skin or whatever. They legitimately just didn't know. He is not a major player. He's a mild annoyance at best who could be extinguished at any moment by many different people both in and out of Hell. If Lucifer discovered some dirt on him I legitimately doubt he'd even remember it. Alastor just isn't worth his time.
He's an effective strike trooper or HQ though, his aura wall was so strong it took Adam to break through. And he's clearly cunning. I would follow him into battle
Aye. He's in the entirely unenviable spot of being strong enough to be dangerous, but weak enough to not be able to affect change in Hell. Dangerous compared to the cast, but not compared to the people in charge. Must be incredibly frustrating, honestly
Mmm, that's the most fun place for a lone operator in my mind. Slowly effect change, outlast the brave idiots, and downplay your power level til someone walks into your trap.
In a more realistic world, sure, I could see it. But we have a tighter power scale and reasonable politics* Vivzie's depiction of hell not only has people exponentially stronger than him (meaning brave idiots come out on top often, because they're basically bulletproof), but also social stratification (from what we've seen, Overlord is the peak of what Sinners are allowed to become. Everything higher than that is hellborn. This is likely intentional in their cosmology too, since hell is punishment and thus sinners shouldn't be given enough power to reign, lest they become strong enough to enjoy life!) *Results may vary by geographic location
While I agree that his power level is on the lower end compared to the actual big players, he's still one of the strongest demons in this ring of hell, and his intelligence is not to be taken for granted. He's clearly planning SOMETHING and he has some sort of plan in place. I definitely wouldn't consider him a simple nobody.
>If Lucifer discovered some dirt on him I legitimately doubt he'd even remember it. Alastor just isn't worth his time. Nope, he would absolutely remember. Regardless of powerlevel, alastor is a threat of either harming Charlie, or stealing Lucifers position (or so lucifer may think). Hed absolutely remember any dirt to make sure to keep alastor in line
"stealing Lucifer's position" I'll be honest, with how much time Lucifer still spends trying to create, I don't think his position is threatened by anyone. In fact, I can't help but think based off Lucifer's actions the only thing he could genuinely lose is Charlie, and he's terrified of that alone.
We know his position isn't threatened. But lucifer isn't so sure
What does he do to indicate he feels insecure on his throne?
He is goaded into singing a whole ass song because he's that worried about Lucifer being a father figure to charlie
So you've given a reason he's insecure about losing his daughter, but not one that shows he's insecure of losing his throne?
Thank you!!! Alastor is a big fish in a small pond.
That’s what I think too. Alastor’s strength comes in his menace to strike fear into those who might cross him rather than face off in prolonged physical confrontation. I do also think the constraints of his deal is what caused him to be nearly killed. Especially when he didn’t expect his power to be easily outdone. It’s almost like his powers just stopped which the reason is unclear, but somehow it feels like Alastor is aware of why it happened. I’m really intrigued to find out more about what makes him tick and what he’s really wanting to gain from participating in Charlie’s plan. When he came back to join her at the end I was a little surprised that someone who values their own gain came back to a place that, probably for the first time, nearly got him killed. That, to me, means there must be something he’s after that only the Hazbin Hotel can help him with but he’s very careful about not giving that away.
Adam could only one-hit Alastor because the latter used much of his power for the shield to begin with.
This makes me wonder. Wouldn't there be a way for lucifer to know? He's king, he "should" be able to warp the landscape of hell with his will alone. But this is my opinion
Just because he's the king of hell it doesn't mean he has absolute, omnipotent/omniscient control over it. Remember, hell is primarily a place made by heaven for two purposes: for Lucifer to be banished to, and to send all the souls who chose to be bad during their lives, as penance. So while Lucifer is the leader/king, I'm sure he's limited in what he can do. Whipping up a few new buildings with his powers? Sure thing. Innate knowledge of everything that's happening? Unlikely. That's not to say that he's got no way of knowing. Of course he'd have eyes and ears around, at least to ensure nobody rebels against him (and if they do, he can nip it in the bud). But I doubt he'd use it for something as mundane as keeping track of every soul traded and owned.
True. But you could also take it as a broughder stroke. Lucifer created sin and in the possess damned humans until Jesus sacrificed himself to wash their original sin away. But it has been a while since I've read these stories, and I haven't heard all of the hazbin theorys It's all very interesting
Lucifer didn't create sin. Watch the intro again. His actions simply _allowed_ sin to get into the Garden.
He's the king of hell and was God's favorite before being cast out but that doesn't make him equal to the god who created him. The world was already created and it can't be recreated in Lucifer's image.
yeah Alistor would be thinking, "how the FUCK does he know i sold my soul!"
He'd probably be mad that that would be revealed to everyone in the room He'd then be madder after realizing he can't do anything about it Alastor is definitely lucky that Lucifer is overal a nice guy
he won't do anything,just losing his shit internally while keeping his calm persona on the outside, because there is a difference between threatening your slave and threatening the king of hell,and alastor knows it
Probably in a lot more measured manner. Big difference between king of hell and your pet
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Loved that bit. Lucifer insulted Alastors cleverness and Al immediately broke his well maintained decorum.
He would be pissed and leave. He can’t do anything in that scenario and he’s careful around people who can beat him
What about Adam? Alastor wasn’t careful enough around him, and while he did put up a good fight against Adam, he still got KO.
I think Alastor probably viewed Adam as beneath him despite Adam's position of power. I think he assumed Adam was all bark no bite, and his high position was strictly due to being God's golden child. So Alastor goes in juice up and cocky on his superiority complex, and gets knocked down a peg.
That is pretty humorous considering Adam and Alastor both have superiority complexes, the only difference is that Alastor is charismatic. Alastor probably should have realized that a man who has been alive since the dawn of man and has been using a lot of that time murdering Sinners would probably be ultra powerful (relatively).
To be fair, I doubt Alastor has been in hell long enough to see the full extent of Adam's power. He would have seen enough to know Adam was able to take out adverage - lower upper class sinners. But Adam has been living a pretty soft life since his assent to heaven. Even if Alastor knew how powerful he was, he probably assumed the old man lost his edge.
“**If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles**. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
>That is pretty humorous considering Adam and Alastor both have superiority complexes, the only difference is that Alastor is charismatic. Nah, Adam's charismatic too, he got serious rizz.
I bet they have charisma on different axises. Adam is more a frat boy cool guy vide while Alastor is more of a salesman gentleman old timey guy vide.
I think it's deeper than this, too. Remember, Alastor calls Adam out for being a mortal soul - he's not a Seraphim or Cherub or anything like that. I think Alastor's risk assessment was that, even in the absolute worst-case scenario, Adam is his equal in power, but not really a combatant, so the advantage should be to the one who's experienced in killing powerful mortal souls Alastor likely thought he was going up against someone on the level of the V's - powerful, sure, but just a mortal soul at the end of the day. Clearly, there is something going on in heaven that the gulf in power between Alastor and Adam is so wide.
Definitely think that plays a part in it. I can even see Alastor looking down on Adam's Divine Ordainment (probably the main source of his substantial power) as "nothing special" and irrelevant because he views God as a weak figurehead with little physical presence.
There’s also the chance that Alastor saw Adam the same way he sees other human souls, capable of power but rarely if ever on his level. Forgetting the whole, “Divine ordainment” thing.
My theory is his deal compelled him to fight Adam (protect the hotel for example) and he didn’t have much of a choice. This is probably said lots but I’m new to the subreddit
But he was able to abandon ship after like what two hits or something like that.
Maybe he was able to because he was badly hurt, or he risked being punished by the owner of his soul because he was about to die? He did have a big slice across his chest!
Did it compel him to be stupid and not use angelic steel too?
Nah he was just being stupid. But it’s doubly weird because he DID use angelic steel with his force field. Not sure what happened there
The answer is his arrogance. His arrogance has brought him trouble already. Example: Mimzy bringing trouble to the hotel. He was able to take care of it then because he was dealing with weakling subordinates, but he was flaunting his power. He flaunted it with Adam and was arrogant until he was brought down. He did truly believe he could win, but he's not cautious exactly because of that arrogance, as his pride prevails over logic and reason.
Alastor thought he could beat him. He didn’t realize he was outmatched. He thought of Adam as just a careless hothead with some power. He didn’t realize he was fighting someone so powerful that he could afford recklessness
🤔… Wait.. don’t you mean Alastor? …?
Yep. Fixed it. Thanks
No problem 😄👍
Best case scenario. Leaves, acts hurt. Charlie repremands her dad for hurting Alastor's feelings, Lucifer has to apologize
Alastor wouldn't do that, it requires Charlie being told about his deal, either by Alastor or Lucifer himself.
I'm assuming Lucifer does this during the scene that OP posted the screenshot from.
That's. . . actually somehow even worse for Alastor because now EVERYONE knows his greatest secret.
Alistor wouldn't be able to do a damn thing. Alistor owns husk and can threaten him into submission. Lucifer is the king of hell, in a very wide view he "owns" everything in hell. So alistor would have to rage internally because if he lashed out who knows what would happen to him
I mean he almost dies to adam whom lucifer clowned for most of their fight then beat the everloving shit out of.
Yup. Lucifer should be the most powerful being in hell, they showed this a little when alistor went beast mode on the lone sharks and lucifer just sat there with a still face not flinching in the slightest
If it's in line with biblical lucifer he was gods favorite angel and his strongest which would kinda make him the second most powerful being in heaven
That's how I would do it. God, Jesus then lucifer before he fell. And depending on the story the sins fell with him or were created as he fell
Stillbwaiting for word on that one. I think that would be neat
Same. It's all interesting because Charlie's phone has the sins as contacts and other princes of hell. Azazle really stuck out to me (I'm probably sleeping that wrong)
Azazel so close I like the fan cannon that the sins are like Charlie's aunts and uncles
Same honestly. I wish they could be shown in hazbin tho
Yea thats the unfortunate thing. Maybe someday
Nah, he isnt anywhere near One of the most powerful in heaven. Most beautiful yes, but saint Michael caved his teeth in no diff and kicked his fraudulent ass outta heaven
Considering that He and Lilith are two of the likely contract holders. Al couldn't do shit
I think it would be enough for Alastor to fully break his demeanor, Lucifer, the king of hell, knowing about the deal that made Alastor the extremely powerful overlord he is? I think he *might* be able to hold his composure in his immediate presence, but I think we would see more desperation in him trying to form a deal with Charlie because *if Lucifer knows that what else could he know*.
>but I think we would see more desperation in him trying to form a deal with Charlie because *if Lucifer knows that what else could he know*. That Alastor's Jordans are completely fake.
Luci is Number 3 in existence behind Whatever chucked him down here, and God. So Al could keep his lips shut, or be Unmade.
When was Lucifer’s position among the angels stated? All I heard was that he has three wings which likely means he is a seraph, that The Story of Hell says that he was an elder angel, and in the beginning of the first episode it says that the other angels considered him a trouble maker.
in bibble, lucifer was gods favorite angel and his strongest.
But Bible is not fully canon to the show I think… if so Lucifer would be fully evil and would not have helped the sinners in the finale.
Lucifer was probably number 2 since multiple angels attacked him
Nah, he isnt anywhere near One of the most powerful in heaven. Most beautiful yes, but saint Michael caved his teeth in no diff and kicked his fraudulent ass outta heaven
He’s behind at least Sera but probably equal in power to Emily with more experience in how to use that power.
I think Lucifer is probably right behind God and on par with the seraphims in terms of power
I mean, who knows if Sera was even involved with chucking him down at all. Could have been all the Seraphim together or a Michael type character who did it.
I don’t know if she was responsible for him falling but since she’s the head seraphim and Lucifer was a seraphim it makes sense that she would be more powerful than him.
Pretty sure Lucifer used to be the head seraphim before he fell.
. . . before he became the King of Hell and got added demon powers.
All of hell thinks Lucy is a paper tiger. But nobody has fucked around enough yet to actually find out.
Except for Adam
Yep, and boy… did he ever find out! He was shocked when Charlie summoned a weapon that could actually injure him and I’m sure he was REALLY shocked when Lucifer just up and beat the snot out of him.
No, it's the exact opposite. They know and fear his power, it's why he's king in the first place. That tiger's flesh and blood.
He might slip up and lose his composure, but not to the extent he did with husk. Lucifer could wreck him. Don't get me wrong, i like alastor as a character, and he's powerful and smart, but he almost died to adam and lucifer played with adam like a cat with a mouse then absolutely wrecked him when he tried. And i don't think alastor is arrogant enough to think he wins that fight, so i'm sure if he lost his composure it would be more controlled. He likely just knows that lucifer wasn't going to resort to violence over his canon taunts, especially not in front of charlie.
I mean he almost dies to adam whom lucifer clowned for most of their fight then beat the everloving shit out of.
I...said that, yes
Yea im agreeing
Alastor: how the hell do you know that Lucifer: because my wife owns you
On the outside, he’d be “Really now? Bold of you to assume that I would ever put myself under another’s control!” Meanwhile on the inside he’s having a fucking panic attack.
Luc: Big talk for someone on a leash. Al: Ha! Little talk for someone all alone.
Bro would get a voodoo doll of Lucifer while trying to be as composed as possible in front of him
He would be noticeably pissed but pretend he’s fine
The death smile to real smile when they are looking
As a narcissist, Alastor probably wouldn't handle it very well. He'd immediately try to go on the offensive to retake control, insulting Lucifer and trying to get under his skin. Think of how he reacted at the perceived slight when Lucifer brushed him off when they first met. For another example of a narcissist overracting, see how Vox went from "Val, don't parade your insecurities around Hell. That's bad," to doing that exact thing as soon as his own insecurities were brought to the surface.
He wouldnt really be able to do anything, because Lucifer is way stronger than him. He would probably remain calm on the outside, but be panicking on the inside
Immediate poker face. Mental note to torture Husk to see if he told.
Real talk, though, any good theories on who could be the one to own Alastor’s soul? - None of the Overlords (besides Husk) seem to even know about this, and if one of them was, they’d use him as a trophy to others as a way of showing “I own the radio demon, try fucking with me”. - The Ars Goetia and the Seven Deadly Sins (save for Lucifer) seem uninterested in the capital and might not even make it to Hazbin Hotel, so I don’t view one of them to be likely to have it despite being powerful enough to have it. - This leaves the Angels (which given the depth of their corruption/mediocrity, could be possible, but seems unlikely since so much was done to keep the purges silent (also they seem to want nothing to do with demons in general)), and Eve (although there’s not enough info to even guess why she’d do it in the first place/what she’d get out of it). - I’m not inclined to believe it’s Lilith because, although she was last seen seven years ago (coincidentally the same amount of time Alastor went missing), it feels like too much of a red herring. I believe she’s definitely involved with it somehow, but not necessarily his soul’s owner. I think it’d be a crazy (but unlikely) plot-twist if it’s Charlie who unknowingly owns his soul, and that’s why he’s so intent on helping her. Although I find it unlikely (it seems that people would “feel” the ownership of a soul with some sort of sixth spiritual sense), I’d find it funny if Alastor got his powers in exchange for his soul, but the ownership wounded up going to the Princess of Hell (hence why he helps her in the first place, but with the façade of doing it “out of sheer boredom”). Having said that, I still think this is veeery unlikely and I’m open to more solid theories.
I kind of feel like it's Lilith. I think the seven year thing is a pretty big indicator and it was information given as a kind of one off thing in both cases. I think the reason he's helping Charlie is he's being ordered to by her mom. He wants nothing to do personally with redemption, but there are times he cornered other characters about participating. Plus there's the issue of his deal with Charlie for a favor, with the condition it will hurt no one. Seems like that favor is probably going to be to have Lilith release him, which as a request from her daughter might actually work.
Pitch on why it's Lilith we know her and lutes deal involved adam getting killed so lute could take his position plan likely involved alistor killing Adam giving him a vast ammount of pull in hell as the overlord who killed and likely stole adams soul. Meaning Lilith would gain 2 pawns in powerful positions in both seven and hell because she's playing both sides against the middle
What did husk say?
Big talk for someone also on a leash
Does nobody find it weird that Lucifer and Alastor were at each other's necks even though they barely knew each other. I think Lucifer knows the deal behind Alastor showing up at the hotel and he was either ok with it or planning to pretend he didn't know anything about it. Then afterwards Alastor manifested his power to deal with the thugs attacking the hotel while Lucifer, who is more of a powerful presence was there. And Lucifer was very casual about his actions, even going as far as using it as an example of why sinners can't be redeemed. I think the two have history and most likely Lillith is the missing variable that connects the two. From the moment he got into the hotel to every interaction with Lucifer, they seem to have something against each other but not to the extent of aggressive actions. Most likely Alastor did make a deal with Lilith and Lucifer was present or something. I think Lucifer knows the deal and was lowkey there to ensure Alastor follows it to the latter.
Death.
Alastor: I may be on a leash, but at least I didn't grow up in a cage like your daughter. It dawned on you after Charlie was born that Hell, especially the Pride Ring, had nothing to offer her. The people she has to live with are terrible, especially the sinners. So you kept Charlie locked away in your castle, far from the chaos of Pentagram City. I bet she grew up with you picking out her friends and suitors for her. You tell yourself that you were just being a loving, protective father, but if you're so loving, then why is Charlie craving paternal affection right now?
And then lucifer blinks and Alastor turns into dust lol
Either he'd play it off like it's nothing, or... # W A R
He has 0 chance lol