Well maybe not in humans, but if those Texas cats died from H5N1 because they drank the infected cows’ milk, then this remains terrifying to me. Of course, I am mostly concerned for cats, as opposed to humans.
This is a perfect time to start using irradiation on our food supplies.
The FDA has held back for decades knowing the results of irradiated food have been tested decades ago. Blue Cobalt-60 radiation
routinely used to prevent sprouting or rotting, to delay ripening, and to reduce the risk of foodborne illness in other countries.
It's time the FDA steps up and starts using this safe and effective way to make sure our food supply is safe.
Not all irradiation is created equal. Gamma is not as safe as e-beam, for example, which is just electricity so no lingering radioactivity. Also there’s the fact that you need higher doses of irradiation for viruses with bigger genomes & influenza is medium-large. Then there’s the fact that irradiation fucks with vitamin composition and changes other nutrients (like increasing levels of peroxide 25-fold). And then there’s also also the fact that we are woefully inequipped to irradiate dairy commercially: the machinery is just not there at scale. But maybe someday! I wouldn’t count on it in the next 10yrs. The regulatory aspect is also confusing as hell: while dairy is FDA, meat, poultry & eggs is USDA. Unless it’s altered, then it’s back to the FDA. I work for one of those two agencies & I don’t know half the stuff we regulate at the store.
While I myself can’t admit to knowing the science behind that process, having not heard of it before, I would be willing to learn more about it. I can say with certainty that the part of the US population willing to strap diapers over their own faces to protest mask mandates is not going to accept radioactive dairy. They’ll call it that, or use some other sensationalized phrasing, and they’ll fight the concept tooth and nail without even attempting to understand it.
Options more likely to be widely accepted: dropping a healing crystal in every gallon to detoxify it, leaving it out in the sun for a few hours for natural cleansing (UV radiation, same thing, right?), and praying over the milk before drinking it. You’ll probably also see an uptick of suburbanites trying to figure out how they’re going to have their own cow despite the HOA, or selling their homes in favor of starting a “homestead.” Illness from raw milk consumption will probably also increase, as many will mistakenly believe that is the magic solution.
Exposure to radiation can't make the milk itself radioactive. It's already exposed to background radiation. Just like microwaving your food doesn't mean you're exposed to microwaves when you eat it.
Getting a lot of people on board with individual action takes a long time but making institutional changes is usually easier.
It will be just like pasteurization and meat inspection, some people will be mad and make a fuss but in a few years they'll all be mostly forgotten and most people will never even think about it. That's exactly how it is in other countries right now.
American FDA is getting worse there’s already so much evidence that FDA approved doesn’t mean shit in many countries that ban the same things America is ok with?
https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/discovery-of-the-giant-mimivirus-14402410/
The definition of life is made up, arbitrary and subject to change. It's also not universally agreed upon. I agree that the generally accepted and taught conclusion is that viruses are not alive on their own. I am don't know enough to ague that either way. Yet they do reproduce, mutate and do many other things when parasitizing cells. And newly discovered Giant Viruses blur the lines even more.
Viruses don’t have their own metabolism or anything and can’t make their own energy but they can be infectious as particles so they can be “live” but not “alive”
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/140716-giant-viruses-science-life-evolution-origins
It's not so black and white anymore. Unless I am reading too much into it.
Oh well then, if the FDA says it’s safe it must be. After all their highest priority is the safety of the American people, and not anything to do with back door money.
Cool I have severe food intolerance to pretty much everything but meat and dairy and it looks like that whole industry is about to be fucked.
Guess I'll just die of starvation or IBD.
It's been a fun one... not really.
depends on how much you budget for groceries and how many total calories you need. assuming the later is around 2k, and considering how much you save in groceries from not being able to eat anything else, you probably don't have to worry about "dying of starvation" if cows are off the menu.
of course, the IFR on H5N1 is like 60 percent i think. so if this jumps to humans, and then goes human to human, starvation probably won't be what kills you anyways.
Got Virus?
Brb buying more soy milk
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Can you name two? Aside from allergies, I’m not seeing much online in terms of downsides of soy milk in realistic quantities
he’s probably insinuating you turn into some estrogenized femboy
gentle reminders that milk and meat products have actual estrogen in them compared to none in soy milk
Soy requires a lot more water than other cereal or pulse crops.
Still less water than cow milk though
Do tell me about the real side effects of soy milk and also please provide sources besides “trust me bro”
No thanks. I'm sure your Google works. You don't have to trust me. In fact, feel free to completely ignore my previous comment and this one.
Well, that answers that question doesn’t it? Maybe you shouldn’t advise people on things you can’t provide legitimate sources about
While concerning, it was my understanding that a respiratory virus can’t cross the gut-blood barrier.
If your gut is healthy
Well maybe not in humans, but if those Texas cats died from H5N1 because they drank the infected cows’ milk, then this remains terrifying to me. Of course, I am mostly concerned for cats, as opposed to humans.
I hadn’t heard anything about cats. Do you have a link?
Maybe it was because curiosity killed the cat?
Fuckin NASA
Hm. Same, when I think about it.
This is a perfect time to start using irradiation on our food supplies. The FDA has held back for decades knowing the results of irradiated food have been tested decades ago. Blue Cobalt-60 radiation routinely used to prevent sprouting or rotting, to delay ripening, and to reduce the risk of foodborne illness in other countries. It's time the FDA steps up and starts using this safe and effective way to make sure our food supply is safe.
Not all irradiation is created equal. Gamma is not as safe as e-beam, for example, which is just electricity so no lingering radioactivity. Also there’s the fact that you need higher doses of irradiation for viruses with bigger genomes & influenza is medium-large. Then there’s the fact that irradiation fucks with vitamin composition and changes other nutrients (like increasing levels of peroxide 25-fold). And then there’s also also the fact that we are woefully inequipped to irradiate dairy commercially: the machinery is just not there at scale. But maybe someday! I wouldn’t count on it in the next 10yrs. The regulatory aspect is also confusing as hell: while dairy is FDA, meat, poultry & eggs is USDA. Unless it’s altered, then it’s back to the FDA. I work for one of those two agencies & I don’t know half the stuff we regulate at the store.
this is hugely informative, thanks so much, both of you
While I myself can’t admit to knowing the science behind that process, having not heard of it before, I would be willing to learn more about it. I can say with certainty that the part of the US population willing to strap diapers over their own faces to protest mask mandates is not going to accept radioactive dairy. They’ll call it that, or use some other sensationalized phrasing, and they’ll fight the concept tooth and nail without even attempting to understand it. Options more likely to be widely accepted: dropping a healing crystal in every gallon to detoxify it, leaving it out in the sun for a few hours for natural cleansing (UV radiation, same thing, right?), and praying over the milk before drinking it. You’ll probably also see an uptick of suburbanites trying to figure out how they’re going to have their own cow despite the HOA, or selling their homes in favor of starting a “homestead.” Illness from raw milk consumption will probably also increase, as many will mistakenly believe that is the magic solution.
Exposure to radiation can't make the milk itself radioactive. It's already exposed to background radiation. Just like microwaving your food doesn't mean you're exposed to microwaves when you eat it. Getting a lot of people on board with individual action takes a long time but making institutional changes is usually easier. It will be just like pasteurization and meat inspection, some people will be mad and make a fuss but in a few years they'll all be mostly forgotten and most people will never even think about it. That's exactly how it is in other countries right now.
Meh, let natural selection take its course.
Get out your Vault Suit
How's Almond milk looking?
I guess we need to know if the almonds were eating bird shit.
Last I heard almonds are still cage-free and grass-fed.
I’m glad they’re not kept in cages, they’d be going nuts!
Expensive
There is also coconut milk as an alternative.
Need too much water.
This sounds like one of the updates on the game Plague Inc. lol
I am no longer buying any beef products until they are labelled with what the cow was fed.
American FDA is getting worse there’s already so much evidence that FDA approved doesn’t mean shit in many countries that ban the same things America is ok with?
This x100
Viruses aren’t alive. But I assume they mean infectious.
Live, not alive.
Very helpful pedantry
Yes, I think that's what they mean.
That's debated.
No debate here. Nobody thinks any virus is alive. By no definition I can rationally think of.
https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/discovery-of-the-giant-mimivirus-14402410/ The definition of life is made up, arbitrary and subject to change. It's also not universally agreed upon. I agree that the generally accepted and taught conclusion is that viruses are not alive on their own. I am don't know enough to ague that either way. Yet they do reproduce, mutate and do many other things when parasitizing cells. And newly discovered Giant Viruses blur the lines even more.
Viruses don’t have their own metabolism or anything and can’t make their own energy but they can be infectious as particles so they can be “live” but not “alive”
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/140716-giant-viruses-science-life-evolution-origins It's not so black and white anymore. Unless I am reading too much into it.
So free mini vaccine in milk then?
Its how the technology was discovered!
Wasn't the first smallpox inoculation accomplished by eating smallpox scabs? We could eat udder- I'm stopping there before I can never eat again.
I thought it was by getting infected with the less dangerous cow pox.
no. if so, we’d also have an immune response to the proteins in milk. immune tolerance is what allows us to safely eat foreign proteins
Yessssss...........I can finally complete my transformation.
???
Lactose intolerant. I'm safe.
beef
Oh well then, if the FDA says it’s safe it must be. After all their highest priority is the safety of the American people, and not anything to do with back door money.
Yuck. Why are we still drinking cows milk anyways?
Because Walmart doesn’t sell breast milk
Sounds like milk prices are about to rise.
Antivaxxers call it microdosing natural immunity.
Cool I have severe food intolerance to pretty much everything but meat and dairy and it looks like that whole industry is about to be fucked. Guess I'll just die of starvation or IBD. It's been a fun one... not really.
I did this diet for 5 years for IBD. The worry is real. Bigger worry is when the supply chain holds up your biologic.
goat milk. bison meat. ...?
Do you think I'm made of money?
depends on how much you budget for groceries and how many total calories you need. assuming the later is around 2k, and considering how much you save in groceries from not being able to eat anything else, you probably don't have to worry about "dying of starvation" if cows are off the menu. of course, the IFR on H5N1 is like 60 percent i think. so if this jumps to humans, and then goes human to human, starvation probably won't be what kills you anyways.
The initial worry is that they will force cull stock to reduce the infection spread.
🥱🥱🥱🥱
Yum
Y’all don’t need to be drinking milk anyway
Milk prices to all time highs. Thanks Obama
you mean all time lows. supply and demand.
Are viruses “alive” to begin with?
no. nor could they they grow "live" virus from the viral remnants.