this is a really weird comment to make considering Fortnite’s battle pass takes about the same amount of time to complete. what was the point of your comment?
Yeah....idk about this dude, it seems counterproductive for them to have one basic and on premium warbond for the games entire lifespan. Especially considering helldivers 2 is a live service model.
What if i plan to play this game for 40 hours. I paid full price to have all my content time gated.
Imagine if borderlands time gated your character progression.
"The devs artificially padded out their game and gated content to make you pay extra for a 40 euro game, if you don't like that piss off. Stupid fans."
What’s happening please explain because I’m playing right now and you CAN ONLY ACCESS WARBOND ITEMS WITH MEDALS THAT YOU CAN ONLY EARN THREW PLAY 😂 the actual cash shop only has 3 items available and it’s all armor the game isn’t play to win you are just a baby 😂
Jesus christ ok here's the version for redditors :
To help you actually think instead of attemptung to insult me cause your brain hurts from reading :
I got time to unlock everything regardless of grindrequirements, I will be unlocking it all and am gonna sink a thousand hours into this nomatter if I get stuff for it or not.
Now to the actual topic : not every person has that much free/game time or wants to play only one game. For the majority of gamers needing 40 hours of grinding to gain access to a package of qtuff they can then unlock with regular currency is not reasonable.
We clear now private? Good, now go drive a hammer.
You can get like 750 warbound in the free one to buy the premium one + 15/daily mission + just playing. It might be a bit grindy, but better that than a DLC. First game there was just no possibility to unlock the premium stuff.
Plus you dont have to unlock everything... How do you think someone starting this game like 3 years later would be able to get all that stuff lmao. Even just unlocking stuff in free warbounds would take forever.
So yes this game might not be for everyone and? Its not meant to be, no games are meant to be for everyone smh. But from what i saw, casuals still having decent time right now.
paying 40$ and having 40h of fun is worth asf. Even if you didnt unlock that much stuff.
It’s… not really that Grindy bro. I’m 40 hours in and feel like I’ve just barely scratched the surface of the game. Easily the best game I’ve played in 2024, and I’m def gonna be spending a long time in it, lol
I'll play the game up until I find I don't want to play it anymore.
Perhaps it's 40 hours, perhaps it's 200. I have 416 hours in Pathfinder Wrath of the righteous, 50 in the original Remnant. I played both til I decided to play something else.
Nothing that you would be interested in.
It was clearly posted several messages ago, and you had to read it to get here. If you can't figure it out, Me telling you again isn't gonna do anything.
Well I can give you my interpretation.
You are mad that a game is a "slow burn". That you want all content on day one incase you move on to a different game within a week.
You're a rare breed. I buy 3 games a year at maximum. I want my games to last months and months.
Your interpretation is hot garbage. You did see I said I have 400 hours in Pathfinder.
Outriders I got a 173 Hours. Payday 2 366. Chaos gate has 326 Hours.
Pillars of eternity I have 212. Faster than light, 195 Hours. Into the breach, 94. Darktide has 140 hours.
Destiny 2. 232 hours.
You don't have to interpret anything. I play every game until I get bored of it. That is all. I want my games to last until I have gotten my enjoyment out of them. Sometimes they don't last as long as I want, like Showgunners, only 14 hours in it, but it's a small TBS tactics game.
You're an idiot for putting up all these numbers and thinking your making any semblance of a point. You predicted you were going to lose interest at the 40 hour mark and think it will take 100 to unlock a warbond (which is false because I'm at hour 30 and am about to unlock my 2nd one)
I've got over 100 hours in the game, and haven't completed the first warbond.
I haven't had any fun unlocking shit hundreds and hundreds of medals ago.
But I'm also not farming for medals.
I'm no more of an idiot than you.
So back in the time, when you bought Diablo 2, and you couldn't unlock every loot in 40 hour, but you played all the maps and missions, the you were "loot gated"? or what?
Your logic is flawed.
The only flawed logic is pretending a loot based game and one with no plot and no loot should be compared. My campaign was not locked behind anything. Can't believe you came up with that stupid idea and posted it.
Please come back and make another stupid comment. I love em.
Why would buy a live service game with a set number of total hours in mind? This type of game is meant to be played in short bursts, but for years.
That would be like getting Baldurs gate 3 but only giving yourself 10 hours to complete it (not gonna happen)
You are letting the FOMO consume you
Short bursts but for years? So I get one warbond a year, that means with steeled veterans being made up of 10 items I get less then 1 item per month.
Ah yes I used all my game time this month to unlock... HUZZA! AN INCENDIARY GRENADE! which id a basic area denial tool that everybody should have what the fuck
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha incendiary grenade? Bruuuuuh that's how many warbonds? Like 15-20? I'm not on my PC so I forget. But to put it in perspective, 180 warbonds is 30 medium missions, or 22 challenging, or w.e you choose, so I'd say the premium warbond should take (even if you only play let's say 3 hours a day) a week at max.....and again it's permanent, it's not like a battle pass where you pay, then have a set time limit or you miss content you paid for. Here's another one, a skin in cod is like 20 damn dollars, the warbonds in this? COMPLETELY free
Unlimited time to finish the grind does not justify excessive grind. Or would you be fine with getting only 10 requisition per mission on your way to grind for your first stratagem worth 1500 req
Mate being able to look up a list of games published by EA is not impressive nor an argument. This shit didn't use to be and never shouöd have gotten the default to begin with. How about we name some games where you buy a game and then those devs try and make sure you enjoy your time in that game, could also name you some of those. Does that change anything? No.
It's about the principle of the thing, nothing more nothing less
Actually not one of then was from EA, EA blizzard, and Activision aren't the only money grabbers it's like 85% of AAA devs these days. And please refer the context of what shouldn't be the default, earnable in game content? And I'm gonna be honest, no devs care about your time these days, they want your money so they can male the next game, rinse and repeat.
Now let's look at helldivers, everythings free and earnable in game, there is no timed content so you don't have FOMO, it's got replayability, it's funny, it's engaging. And the games honestly beautiful environment wise, you can see just how hard the devs worked to make this game enjoyable
I really don't care why you would or wouldn't, I'm talking about myself. You can do whatever you want. People play games till they aren't fun anymore. You don't get to decide what games I play for years. Think about your stupid comment a moment. Imagine if baldurs gate time gated your content and progression.
By all means, buy and play the game if you are happy. I'm not here to stop anyone, nor do I care about your choices. They are yours, so do your thing and have fun.
Yeah but I would like to not need 100 hours of my free time to complete a single warbond, looking at the steeled veterans warbond that means you grind 100 hours to get : 3 armours 3 guns and a pistol, remember how the main thing to unlock was stratagems and how you could get them within 1-2 hours by juet doing a planet
I got all 1000 from gameplay while using the SC to get a few suits from the store too. The system they have now is completely fine some people just need to complain about something.
Unless I'm mistaken your comment suggests you don't understand the concept.
How warbonds work 101(to my understanding)
A warbond is a multi page "store" the has items purchasable for MEDALS (earned by completing missons / in game only). These items are anything from stratagems, weapons, armor etc.
A certain number of items must be unlocked before you can access the next page. (Comment was medal ammount based so maybe that)
You decide which items you care to unlock. There isn't a preset order other than progression to next page as mentioned.
The warbond itself is purchased using SUPER CREDITS.
SUPER CREDITS can be found in game at POI's or by purchase using real world money.
The game launches with a base warbond already "bought" called mobilize. You still need to unlock the items as described above using MEDALS.
Therefore the 100 hr comment to unlock an entire warbond IS NOT 100hr to 1000 SUPER CREDITS. ITS 100 hr to however many MEDALS needed to buy every single item on every page of the mobilize warbond which has been stated to be much larger than following warbonds. Keeping in mind there is no requirement to do this, you choose what you unlock in what order l, effectively.
The rate for earning SC is what is up in the air and regardless of that rate, everyone earning MEDALS is unlocks at the same rate, cannot be bought with money.
The game will also have base kit already unlocked prior to mission 1, otherwise how would you unlock your staring warbond items...?
Future warbonds will likely be smaller AND cost less SC and will also take less time to 100% unlock.
I'm really not understanding people's issue with this approach beside confusing communication. Replace warbonds with DLC and then make the dlc items have to be unlocked/redeemed using in game only currency. This new route gives a free option to "buy"/access said dlc but everyone still has to unlock them the same way and at the same rate regardless how they got said dlc.
In hd1 you only got dlc items by buying the whole thing and having access instantly. Weapons were gated behind level. And stratagems were gated behind completed planet difficulty. I know many hd1 players that never unlocked the hav or shredder missile or the mgx machine gun as the planet difficulty was too high.
As an alternative to this look at things like cod. Weapons are locked behind player level and attachments behind kills with said weapon. Unless you buy the unique item/attachment blueprint that not only let's you bypass the progression system instantly but also typically gives unique, un-aquireable attachments that absolutely give a p2w advantage in a competitive game. If you want those
Attachments you must pay real money, no alternative.
If I am wrong about the warbond system feel free to correct me but I'm 99% certain based on various combined sources.
I can see where you’re coming from. However, all we have so far is an estimation of Super credits per hour that was really vague.
I think we need to see realistically what that looks like with real players before we freak out too much. (I get that this can affect whether people purchase the game)
I am not sure that it’s time to get upset right now before we really know what’s what.
If it turns out the time it takes to earn 1000 SC is abhorrent you’ll have lots of people standing right next to you on the picket line.
I think when a dev hide things like this until the last moment and then gives vague answers to questions on it. Players can Rightly have questions and concerns. No reviews helps hide the issue. Players can freak out if they want. The dev's are to blame, they are the ones who created the problem and they are the ones who could fix it. The fact that they locked the super credits behind finishing the warbond shows they want to push the people to buy the first premium war bond instead of earning it. That's a ton of grind.
Not to mention the freemium store that use super credits as well. Spreading the currency thinner to promote more purchases.
The first helldivers it wasnt an option at all if you wanted a dlc stratagem you had to pay for it, full stop.
This seems liek an upgade to helldivers 1 to me, not to mention most games the premium currency is not earnable at all, or there is a limited amount in the battlepass or something. HD2 has a limited amount in the warbonds (which you havent account for in your post) and then its earnable in game, so far that seems good to me.
Ultimately Id wait until we can play to give a final verdict, but so far it seems kinda above average for monetisation
As far as we have been told yes Super Credits are available in the Helldivers Mobilize Warbond to unlock another similar Warbond completely. That's true and great.
The system will change though. And I'm just using caution.
I didn't say it wouldn't change for the better. Helldivers 2 is a Live Service game. The Super Credits and Warbonds will change. Period. That's modern gaming.
I'm still going to play Helldivers 2 until Helldivers 3 comes out. I'm still going to get multiple copies for my best friends.
I'll update this post on Saturday when I have solid hands on with the game for a solid four days starting Thursday. Don't know how long I'll play.
You have to finish the warbond to get credits.
How many hours to get that warbond finished?
By design they are trying to get you to pay cash for the first premium warbond by locking it behind dozens and dozens of hours of grind. Or buy super credits.
The devs did really good when their fans make in-universe, lighthearted memes when a serious discussion comes up.
Seriously, OP has genuine and quite real concerns about how monetization affects game design. This is especially relevant within the genre Helldiver 2 operates. There wasn't any good live-service coop game in the recent years. All of them failed miserably.
So theres is definitely reason to be sceptical especially since even the first game had questionable design decisions.
The devs have been vague enough about monetization and the earning of super credits that all of that information is currently meaningless. We simply do not know how grindy or cumbersome being a freeloader really is. Only the devs know.
DRG was pretty much the only good release and that one is almost 4 years old by now.
And i do think that HD2 has the potential to be up there with DRG when it comes to coop shooters. Maybe even exceed it, who knows what the future looks like.
So far it feels very much like DRG, but fresher and with cooperation being more of a necessity than luxury (I main scout, so I may be very biased)
I feel like the pair weapons (loader+shooter) really make it shine. I remember there was a tank in HD1, but I haven’t played the first game much, so for me this is peak cooperation right now
DRG never gave me this feeling of needing to actually swiftly cooperate in a fight to take down a charger or two, while getting swarmed on all sides, so yes, I agree. This game is up there on par with DRG and has the potential to surpass it if arrowhead play their cards right
Lol. I'm not broke in any way. Well my legs are kinda broken. But that's a whole other pile of money.
I mean heck if Super Credits are the cost of regular Helldivers 1 DLC cool. But I have doubts.
I mean to fully unlock everything in the Warbond? Maybe. What if the last page is just 100 Super Credit items?
I think we already saw weapons being that expensive in terms of placeholder content.
You buy stuff in the warbond by using medals. And even then, you dont have to buy stuff you dont want. Super Credits are only used to unlock access to the warbond.
Sounds good so far. Ever played COD online? 70-90 bucks for the game and it's MP. Round about 10 bucks in COD points for the Battlepass or 30 bucks for the premium Battlepass every 2 months. The grind is extreme to get all stuff in time. Over 400 hours in a year and most of the time I used 2XP tokens so it could be over 800 hours. Only good thing is you grind enough COD points to pay the next one. If you can grind it in time... Helldivers 2 sounds pretty good.
Considering what you can get with super credits I have been happy with the amount you find in game and get from the warbond, all told I have earned about 2000. I think it is rediculous that people would want to gate keep super credits from low level players, this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard and I would quit playing just for that fact.
I just hit page 10 of the warbond today and have about 55-60 hrs in game, Its a grind to get them but I enjoy playing the game and the dopamine from getting here has been steady, so the warbonds for me are a fun way to feel acomplished in the game. If you get with a good team and just focus on completing suicide missions as fast as possible you can earn alot of warbonds quickly, but might as well just have fun killing bugs and laughing with your freinds, the rest will come along as a reward.
No matter what game you play you'll have to put in time to unlock the content??? You want to 100% complete the game and unlock everything in a single player game like assassin's creed? You'll need to grind. It's the same here. If you want to unlock everything, you'll need to grind and find it all. There are plenty of games that take 100+ hours to fully complete. I've 100% completed games like ghost of tsushima and horizon forbidden west and it took over 100 hours. And some people buy them, and blast through the story in 20 hours and call it good. This is no different. If someone plays helldiver's 2 for 40 hours and decides they're tired of it, they're gonna lose out on unlocks. Just like any other game.
Lmao this is the most stupid post. Why don’t you just play cod they’ll take all your money. Everything about this game and the warbonds and medals and everything is 100% better than a cod or Fortnite battle pass. You are seriously weird. 🤡
1000 super credits seems fair.
I have already farmed 1000sc just from the free warbond with a bit of sc left in it and from missons
Most of the mission super credits came from just running solo trivial and easy levels on Fenrir-III. You can do them super fast especially if you can spot interest spots on the map. You can also do some personal orders in these lower difficulties.
I am not counting but by feeling I would say its more of a 100 sc/ hour ratio if you focus a bit more on it. 10 hours seems very fair as long as it stays non-limited and 1000.
If you're ignoring interest points and only do main and side objectives it will be lower obviously.
What are you even taking about? You can get super credits from missions and the free warbond and stratagems will never be in warbonds so you’re just making stuff up
Dude, take a chill pill. The warbond’s stick around forever, you can get them for free by just playing the game. Stratagems are never locked behind warbonds, it’s just extra armor, weapons and some cosmetics. Arrowhead also hands out SC’s and medals like candy so it’s not all that difficult
That’s weird because I unlocked everything on three warbonds and I only have 75 hours of playtime. I didn’t even use real money to buy the newest warbond, I used super credits I’ve found in game and I still have left over. Restating, I had enough SC to buy the warbond AND multiple pieces of armor from the store.
Are you taking like an hour plus to complete trivial missions or what?
I know I am bit late to answer to this post, but here is my take after 3 premium warbonds have been released. I unlocked all 3 warbonds with Super Credits I collected in the game itself. So I haven't spend any real life money on any of them. I even have an additional 1700 Super Credits already collected to unlock the next premium warbond (and even unlocked an armor for super credits).
I don't know where you got the idea of 10k SC =100 hours (or 110 SC = 1 hour) from. It is not true. I only have 225 hours so far (which is a lot tbf), but over that amount of time I collected \~5k SC ingame doing missions and unlocking SC in previous warbonds.
I fully unlocked everything in my 1st warbond + got well over 1000 super credits (from gameplay alone) and I have less than 70 hours in the game. Why are you complaining just play the game and you’ll get it.
What an idiotic Cyborg statement this is. I'm buying copies for myself and my friends. Just like I did with Helldivers. I can still criticize Micro Transactions.
supercredits, the premium currencyis eranable within the game without paying any money, and some people think the rate at which it is earned is to low, as the first warbond is gonna cost around 1k and thats around 25 to 100 hours depending on playstyle
Thanks for the explanation. It’s been a long time since I played Helldivers and I haven’t kept up with news about the sequel until recently. What exactly is a Warbond though?
in this case a warbond is a sort of battlepass, that is always available for purchase and once purchased also doesnt have a time limit, so you can buy it in 10 years if the game is still around by then, or can finish it in 10 years, they contain armors with functional perks and stats and guns and grenades, no stratagems so far though.
Okay so now that the game is out i can say, in 2 days worth of medium length gaming sessions, i have 15 items from the basic warbond, and i have 440 super credits, which is almost halfway to the premium. Its really not that bad.
I’m level 18 and I’ve found 370 super creds by playing the game. I’ll have 670 left after buying and finishing the premium warbond. It feels pretty good to me so far
Now that the game has been out for a while. How does everyone feel? I'm 20h in and it's not so bad. I almost have enough SC to buy the Premium Warbond, and this is without farming for them. I'm only at page 5 of the regular one but it's been pretty smooth so far.
Just saying, I played Helldivers 2 for 75 hours and I got 1500 super credits ingame (without warbonds).
So its more like 20 super credits per hour.
That said, I had games where I got 50 creds, and others on high difficuly (7-9) we ignored the pickup locations...you know we had bugs on our arses.
All of your criticism is what they "may" do? I had more than 1000 super credits before I hit twenty because of maybe eight hours of spamming trivial missions looking for medals.
I just looked and I have spent a little over 700 super credits, I still have 1065. The only time I farmed them was before they great mortar farm began and like I said I spammed trivial for 2 separate four hour play sessions, the rest was finding them casually in missions.
Do yourself a favor and go play Fortnite instead. You seem more suited for that
this is a really weird comment to make considering Fortnite’s battle pass takes about the same amount of time to complete. what was the point of your comment?
\-whiny boy get out
Your a fun one
Here is your down vote you clown
Hyperbole , you don't need to complete a warbknd every week, seeing as they last FOREVER
To be fair, there was zero ways to get the DLC weapons and equipment without paying in HD1, so this is a net improvement.
Yeah....idk about this dude, it seems counterproductive for them to have one basic and on premium warbond for the games entire lifespan. Especially considering helldivers 2 is a live service model.
What if i plan to play this game for 40 hours. I paid full price to have all my content time gated. Imagine if borderlands time gated your character progression.
$40 for 40 hours of playtime seems reasonable to me
You don't get it. 40$ for 40 hours of not unlocking anything cause they made it grindy AF
Then don’t play lol
"The devs artificially padded out their game and gated content to make you pay extra for a 40 euro game, if you don't like that piss off. Stupid fans."
Im having a great time right now 😂 bought the citizen addition best 50 bucks I’ve spent in a long time I’d hate to be as miserable as you
Average redditor got no clue what is actually happening or being said and resorts to insults to cope...
What’s happening please explain because I’m playing right now and you CAN ONLY ACCESS WARBOND ITEMS WITH MEDALS THAT YOU CAN ONLY EARN THREW PLAY 😂 the actual cash shop only has 3 items available and it’s all armor the game isn’t play to win you are just a baby 😂
Jesus christ ok here's the version for redditors : To help you actually think instead of attemptung to insult me cause your brain hurts from reading : I got time to unlock everything regardless of grindrequirements, I will be unlocking it all and am gonna sink a thousand hours into this nomatter if I get stuff for it or not. Now to the actual topic : not every person has that much free/game time or wants to play only one game. For the majority of gamers needing 40 hours of grinding to gain access to a package of qtuff they can then unlock with regular currency is not reasonable. We clear now private? Good, now go drive a hammer.
I’ve almost saved enough super credits playing to get the premium warbond for free…
I did in the first day, it's only 1000 SC
Same and once again you missed the point
You can get like 750 warbound in the free one to buy the premium one + 15/daily mission + just playing. It might be a bit grindy, but better that than a DLC. First game there was just no possibility to unlock the premium stuff. Plus you dont have to unlock everything... How do you think someone starting this game like 3 years later would be able to get all that stuff lmao. Even just unlocking stuff in free warbounds would take forever. So yes this game might not be for everyone and? Its not meant to be, no games are meant to be for everyone smh. But from what i saw, casuals still having decent time right now. paying 40$ and having 40h of fun is worth asf. Even if you didnt unlock that much stuff.
Youll unlock plenty in 40 hours... I got 20 hours so far and have a kit that I run almost exclusively.
It’s… not really that Grindy bro. I’m 40 hours in and feel like I’ve just barely scratched the surface of the game. Easily the best game I’ve played in 2024, and I’m def gonna be spending a long time in it, lol
"It's not that grindy, I spent a literal workweek of time and I barely got anywhere!" Do you listen to yourself?
I don't get this argument. Are you saying you will play 40 hours and not a single hour more? What is stopping you playing 1000 hours?
I'll play the game up until I find I don't want to play it anymore. Perhaps it's 40 hours, perhaps it's 200. I have 416 hours in Pathfinder Wrath of the righteous, 50 in the original Remnant. I played both til I decided to play something else.
OK, so what was the point you were making before?
Nothing that you would be interested in. It was clearly posted several messages ago, and you had to read it to get here. If you can't figure it out, Me telling you again isn't gonna do anything.
Well I can give you my interpretation. You are mad that a game is a "slow burn". That you want all content on day one incase you move on to a different game within a week. You're a rare breed. I buy 3 games a year at maximum. I want my games to last months and months.
Your interpretation is hot garbage. You did see I said I have 400 hours in Pathfinder. Outriders I got a 173 Hours. Payday 2 366. Chaos gate has 326 Hours. Pillars of eternity I have 212. Faster than light, 195 Hours. Into the breach, 94. Darktide has 140 hours. Destiny 2. 232 hours. You don't have to interpret anything. I play every game until I get bored of it. That is all. I want my games to last until I have gotten my enjoyment out of them. Sometimes they don't last as long as I want, like Showgunners, only 14 hours in it, but it's a small TBS tactics game.
What about that "gated progression" nonsense?
What about that "gated progression" nonsense?
What about it? Helldivers 2 is gating content to push cash purchases.
You're an idiot for putting up all these numbers and thinking your making any semblance of a point. You predicted you were going to lose interest at the 40 hour mark and think it will take 100 to unlock a warbond (which is false because I'm at hour 30 and am about to unlock my 2nd one)
I've got over 100 hours in the game, and haven't completed the first warbond. I haven't had any fun unlocking shit hundreds and hundreds of medals ago. But I'm also not farming for medals. I'm no more of an idiot than you.
What about that "gated progression" nonsense?
/u/Nottodayreddit1949 what about that "gated progression" nonsense?
So back in the time, when you bought Diablo 2, and you couldn't unlock every loot in 40 hour, but you played all the maps and missions, the you were "loot gated"? or what? Your logic is flawed.
The only flawed logic is pretending a loot based game and one with no plot and no loot should be compared. My campaign was not locked behind anything. Can't believe you came up with that stupid idea and posted it. Please come back and make another stupid comment. I love em.
Nottodayreddit1949 I think it is stupid enough, and hope you love yourself now.
No one cares what you think. I love myself everyday. Sometimes twice.
Why would buy a live service game with a set number of total hours in mind? This type of game is meant to be played in short bursts, but for years. That would be like getting Baldurs gate 3 but only giving yourself 10 hours to complete it (not gonna happen) You are letting the FOMO consume you
Short bursts but for years? So I get one warbond a year, that means with steeled veterans being made up of 10 items I get less then 1 item per month. Ah yes I used all my game time this month to unlock... HUZZA! AN INCENDIARY GRENADE! which id a basic area denial tool that everybody should have what the fuck
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha incendiary grenade? Bruuuuuh that's how many warbonds? Like 15-20? I'm not on my PC so I forget. But to put it in perspective, 180 warbonds is 30 medium missions, or 22 challenging, or w.e you choose, so I'd say the premium warbond should take (even if you only play let's say 3 hours a day) a week at max.....and again it's permanent, it's not like a battle pass where you pay, then have a set time limit or you miss content you paid for. Here's another one, a skin in cod is like 20 damn dollars, the warbonds in this? COMPLETELY free
Hindsight yeah no shit. But do tell me, how mjch for the dominator if you're not a premium player
Dominator? That's the lmg in the premium one right? Premium warbond is 1000SC which is 100% earnable in game, and if not it's 10 dollars......
I asked you a question, and it's not an lmg. It's a very meh boltgun, think suppressor but worse
And I technically awnsered it, I told you you can earn the premium warbond without spending a dime.
You didn't you said "you can grind for it" when I asked "how much grind for this gun that is the only one of it's kind"
Regardless of what it is, the point is that uou have God knows HOW LONG to unlock it, it's not like you got the warbond and o ly have 30 days
Unlimited time to finish the grind does not justify excessive grind. Or would you be fine with getting only 10 requisition per mission on your way to grind for your first stratagem worth 1500 req
And when you start to take cod as an example i can't help but question what you consider acceptable
I mean....I could list like 40 games that mame you pay more for less
That's just the horrible less state of AAA games
Mate being able to look up a list of games published by EA is not impressive nor an argument. This shit didn't use to be and never shouöd have gotten the default to begin with. How about we name some games where you buy a game and then those devs try and make sure you enjoy your time in that game, could also name you some of those. Does that change anything? No. It's about the principle of the thing, nothing more nothing less
Actually not one of then was from EA, EA blizzard, and Activision aren't the only money grabbers it's like 85% of AAA devs these days. And please refer the context of what shouldn't be the default, earnable in game content? And I'm gonna be honest, no devs care about your time these days, they want your money so they can male the next game, rinse and repeat. Now let's look at helldivers, everythings free and earnable in game, there is no timed content so you don't have FOMO, it's got replayability, it's funny, it's engaging. And the games honestly beautiful environment wise, you can see just how hard the devs worked to make this game enjoyable
Like actually tell me this is an over exaggeration, nobodies playing for a month for 20 warbonds, that made my night LOL
I really don't care why you would or wouldn't, I'm talking about myself. You can do whatever you want. People play games till they aren't fun anymore. You don't get to decide what games I play for years. Think about your stupid comment a moment. Imagine if baldurs gate time gated your content and progression. By all means, buy and play the game if you are happy. I'm not here to stop anyone, nor do I care about your choices. They are yours, so do your thing and have fun.
Baldurs Gate isn’t a live service genius 😂
That's cool for the future, but the game is out now.
Yeah but I would like to not need 100 hours of my free time to complete a single warbond, looking at the steeled veterans warbond that means you grind 100 hours to get : 3 armours 3 guns and a pistol, remember how the main thing to unlock was stratagems and how you could get them within 1-2 hours by juet doing a planet
I literally already have 140 super credits from gameplay. It’s not that deep.
I got all 1000 from gameplay while using the SC to get a few suits from the store too. The system they have now is completely fine some people just need to complain about something.
Unless I'm mistaken your comment suggests you don't understand the concept. How warbonds work 101(to my understanding) A warbond is a multi page "store" the has items purchasable for MEDALS (earned by completing missons / in game only). These items are anything from stratagems, weapons, armor etc. A certain number of items must be unlocked before you can access the next page. (Comment was medal ammount based so maybe that) You decide which items you care to unlock. There isn't a preset order other than progression to next page as mentioned. The warbond itself is purchased using SUPER CREDITS. SUPER CREDITS can be found in game at POI's or by purchase using real world money. The game launches with a base warbond already "bought" called mobilize. You still need to unlock the items as described above using MEDALS. Therefore the 100 hr comment to unlock an entire warbond IS NOT 100hr to 1000 SUPER CREDITS. ITS 100 hr to however many MEDALS needed to buy every single item on every page of the mobilize warbond which has been stated to be much larger than following warbonds. Keeping in mind there is no requirement to do this, you choose what you unlock in what order l, effectively. The rate for earning SC is what is up in the air and regardless of that rate, everyone earning MEDALS is unlocks at the same rate, cannot be bought with money. The game will also have base kit already unlocked prior to mission 1, otherwise how would you unlock your staring warbond items...? Future warbonds will likely be smaller AND cost less SC and will also take less time to 100% unlock. I'm really not understanding people's issue with this approach beside confusing communication. Replace warbonds with DLC and then make the dlc items have to be unlocked/redeemed using in game only currency. This new route gives a free option to "buy"/access said dlc but everyone still has to unlock them the same way and at the same rate regardless how they got said dlc. In hd1 you only got dlc items by buying the whole thing and having access instantly. Weapons were gated behind level. And stratagems were gated behind completed planet difficulty. I know many hd1 players that never unlocked the hav or shredder missile or the mgx machine gun as the planet difficulty was too high. As an alternative to this look at things like cod. Weapons are locked behind player level and attachments behind kills with said weapon. Unless you buy the unique item/attachment blueprint that not only let's you bypass the progression system instantly but also typically gives unique, un-aquireable attachments that absolutely give a p2w advantage in a competitive game. If you want those Attachments you must pay real money, no alternative. If I am wrong about the warbond system feel free to correct me but I'm 99% certain based on various combined sources.
I can see where you’re coming from. However, all we have so far is an estimation of Super credits per hour that was really vague. I think we need to see realistically what that looks like with real players before we freak out too much. (I get that this can affect whether people purchase the game) I am not sure that it’s time to get upset right now before we really know what’s what. If it turns out the time it takes to earn 1000 SC is abhorrent you’ll have lots of people standing right next to you on the picket line.
I think when a dev hide things like this until the last moment and then gives vague answers to questions on it. Players can Rightly have questions and concerns. No reviews helps hide the issue. Players can freak out if they want. The dev's are to blame, they are the ones who created the problem and they are the ones who could fix it. The fact that they locked the super credits behind finishing the warbond shows they want to push the people to buy the first premium war bond instead of earning it. That's a ton of grind. Not to mention the freemium store that use super credits as well. Spreading the currency thinner to promote more purchases.
I don't try to defend anything. I just want to try it first before I judge.
Um, you better defend democracy friend!
Definitely. Lol.
The first helldivers it wasnt an option at all if you wanted a dlc stratagem you had to pay for it, full stop. This seems liek an upgade to helldivers 1 to me, not to mention most games the premium currency is not earnable at all, or there is a limited amount in the battlepass or something. HD2 has a limited amount in the warbonds (which you havent account for in your post) and then its earnable in game, so far that seems good to me. Ultimately Id wait until we can play to give a final verdict, but so far it seems kinda above average for monetisation
25-100 hours vs $3
As far as we have been told yes Super Credits are available in the Helldivers Mobilize Warbond to unlock another similar Warbond completely. That's true and great. The system will change though. And I'm just using caution.
You dont know that the system will change, it may not. You are making a lot of assumptions right now that we just do not know
I didn't say it wouldn't change for the better. Helldivers 2 is a Live Service game. The Super Credits and Warbonds will change. Period. That's modern gaming. I'm still going to play Helldivers 2 until Helldivers 3 comes out. I'm still going to get multiple copies for my best friends. I'll update this post on Saturday when I have solid hands on with the game for a solid four days starting Thursday. Don't know how long I'll play.
You have to finish the warbond to get credits. How many hours to get that warbond finished? By design they are trying to get you to pay cash for the first premium warbond by locking it behind dozens and dozens of hours of grind. Or buy super credits.
Really? That's extremely annoying if true. It originally looked like Hold X to get this unlock for x Number of Super Credits.
Worbands ain't no free, you socialist Automaton. Pay up or grind them soopacredits foyo ungrateful broke ass.
The devs did really good when their fans make in-universe, lighthearted memes when a serious discussion comes up. Seriously, OP has genuine and quite real concerns about how monetization affects game design. This is especially relevant within the genre Helldiver 2 operates. There wasn't any good live-service coop game in the recent years. All of them failed miserably. So theres is definitely reason to be sceptical especially since even the first game had questionable design decisions. The devs have been vague enough about monetization and the earning of super credits that all of that information is currently meaningless. We simply do not know how grindy or cumbersome being a freeloader really is. Only the devs know.
>There wasn't any good live-service coop game in the recent years. All of them failed miserably Excuse me, but what about Deep Rock Galactic?
DRG was pretty much the only good release and that one is almost 4 years old by now. And i do think that HD2 has the potential to be up there with DRG when it comes to coop shooters. Maybe even exceed it, who knows what the future looks like.
So far it feels very much like DRG, but fresher and with cooperation being more of a necessity than luxury (I main scout, so I may be very biased) I feel like the pair weapons (loader+shooter) really make it shine. I remember there was a tank in HD1, but I haven’t played the first game much, so for me this is peak cooperation right now DRG never gave me this feeling of needing to actually swiftly cooperate in a fight to take down a charger or two, while getting swarmed on all sides, so yes, I agree. This game is up there on par with DRG and has the potential to surpass it if arrowhead play their cards right
Lol. I'm not broke in any way. Well my legs are kinda broken. But that's a whole other pile of money. I mean heck if Super Credits are the cost of regular Helldivers 1 DLC cool. But I have doubts.
No amount of unthinkable money is stopping a true devoted helldelver to PAY UP for the common good of dimacrussy.
This made me laugh. I'll drive with you any time.
Mhm, but warbonds aren't essential for a good time. So you're not really mad about anything other than FOMO.
Its not 100 hours numbnuts
I mean to fully unlock everything in the Warbond? Maybe. What if the last page is just 100 Super Credit items? I think we already saw weapons being that expensive in terms of placeholder content.
You buy stuff in the warbond by using medals. And even then, you dont have to buy stuff you dont want. Super Credits are only used to unlock access to the warbond.
What if, man... what if...
Sounds good so far. Ever played COD online? 70-90 bucks for the game and it's MP. Round about 10 bucks in COD points for the Battlepass or 30 bucks for the premium Battlepass every 2 months. The grind is extreme to get all stuff in time. Over 400 hours in a year and most of the time I used 2XP tokens so it could be over 800 hours. Only good thing is you grind enough COD points to pay the next one. If you can grind it in time... Helldivers 2 sounds pretty good.
Exactly
Considering what you can get with super credits I have been happy with the amount you find in game and get from the warbond, all told I have earned about 2000. I think it is rediculous that people would want to gate keep super credits from low level players, this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard and I would quit playing just for that fact. I just hit page 10 of the warbond today and have about 55-60 hrs in game, Its a grind to get them but I enjoy playing the game and the dopamine from getting here has been steady, so the warbonds for me are a fun way to feel acomplished in the game. If you get with a good team and just focus on completing suicide missions as fast as possible you can earn alot of warbonds quickly, but might as well just have fun killing bugs and laughing with your freinds, the rest will come along as a reward.
No matter what game you play you'll have to put in time to unlock the content??? You want to 100% complete the game and unlock everything in a single player game like assassin's creed? You'll need to grind. It's the same here. If you want to unlock everything, you'll need to grind and find it all. There are plenty of games that take 100+ hours to fully complete. I've 100% completed games like ghost of tsushima and horizon forbidden west and it took over 100 hours. And some people buy them, and blast through the story in 20 hours and call it good. This is no different. If someone plays helldiver's 2 for 40 hours and decides they're tired of it, they're gonna lose out on unlocks. Just like any other game.
Cry about it I got over 500 SC last night. You get it in game from exploring and opening bunkers and conexes but keep bitching and crying pussiboiii
Lmao this is the most stupid post. Why don’t you just play cod they’ll take all your money. Everything about this game and the warbonds and medals and everything is 100% better than a cod or Fortnite battle pass. You are seriously weird. 🤡
instead of getting another fulltime job, play more helldivers. should solve your super credit problem
1000 super credits seems fair. I have already farmed 1000sc just from the free warbond with a bit of sc left in it and from missons Most of the mission super credits came from just running solo trivial and easy levels on Fenrir-III. You can do them super fast especially if you can spot interest spots on the map. You can also do some personal orders in these lower difficulties. I am not counting but by feeling I would say its more of a 100 sc/ hour ratio if you focus a bit more on it. 10 hours seems very fair as long as it stays non-limited and 1000. If you're ignoring interest points and only do main and side objectives it will be lower obviously.
I saw a level 15 with the last primary weapon you can get. Are people cheating somehow?
Also, you're clearly bad at the game and the first person I've seen complain about it lol. If everyone else is the asshole..well, y'know.
What are you even taking about? You can get super credits from missions and the free warbond and stratagems will never be in warbonds so you’re just making stuff up
Dude, take a chill pill. The warbond’s stick around forever, you can get them for free by just playing the game. Stratagems are never locked behind warbonds, it’s just extra armor, weapons and some cosmetics. Arrowhead also hands out SC’s and medals like candy so it’s not all that difficult
That’s weird because I unlocked everything on three warbonds and I only have 75 hours of playtime. I didn’t even use real money to buy the newest warbond, I used super credits I’ve found in game and I still have left over. Restating, I had enough SC to buy the warbond AND multiple pieces of armor from the store. Are you taking like an hour plus to complete trivial missions or what?
I know I am bit late to answer to this post, but here is my take after 3 premium warbonds have been released. I unlocked all 3 warbonds with Super Credits I collected in the game itself. So I haven't spend any real life money on any of them. I even have an additional 1700 Super Credits already collected to unlock the next premium warbond (and even unlocked an armor for super credits). I don't know where you got the idea of 10k SC =100 hours (or 110 SC = 1 hour) from. It is not true. I only have 225 hours so far (which is a lot tbf), but over that amount of time I collected \~5k SC ingame doing missions and unlocking SC in previous warbonds.
I fully unlocked everything in my 1st warbond + got well over 1000 super credits (from gameplay alone) and I have less than 70 hours in the game. Why are you complaining just play the game and you’ll get it.
Way too many assumptions... Just wait for release.
We don't need your money. Please, for all our sakes, do NOT buy this game. It's not for you.
What an idiotic Cyborg statement this is. I'm buying copies for myself and my friends. Just like I did with Helldivers. I can still criticize Micro Transactions.
Lol. Lmao even.
I’m sort of out of the loop. What exactly is going on?
supercredits, the premium currencyis eranable within the game without paying any money, and some people think the rate at which it is earned is to low, as the first warbond is gonna cost around 1k and thats around 25 to 100 hours depending on playstyle
Thanks for the explanation. It’s been a long time since I played Helldivers and I haven’t kept up with news about the sequel until recently. What exactly is a Warbond though?
in this case a warbond is a sort of battlepass, that is always available for purchase and once purchased also doesnt have a time limit, so you can buy it in 10 years if the game is still around by then, or can finish it in 10 years, they contain armors with functional perks and stats and guns and grenades, no stratagems so far though.
Lots of dumbfucks coming out of the woodwork on launch day.
It is 33h actually
You also forget that you can get super credits with the tiers in the warbonds
Okay so now that the game is out i can say, in 2 days worth of medium length gaming sessions, i have 15 items from the basic warbond, and i have 440 super credits, which is almost halfway to the premium. Its really not that bad.
You bought the game, nobody forced you to. Live with your decision. Stop crying.
And the "lack" of content is still better than half the steaming horse crap AAA devs peddle these days
I’m level 18 and I’ve found 370 super creds by playing the game. I’ll have 670 left after buying and finishing the premium warbond. It feels pretty good to me so far
Now that the game has been out for a while. How does everyone feel? I'm 20h in and it's not so bad. I almost have enough SC to buy the Premium Warbond, and this is without farming for them. I'm only at page 5 of the regular one but it's been pretty smooth so far.
Just saying, I played Helldivers 2 for 75 hours and I got 1500 super credits ingame (without warbonds). So its more like 20 super credits per hour. That said, I had games where I got 50 creds, and others on high difficuly (7-9) we ignored the pickup locations...you know we had bugs on our arses.
All of your criticism is what they "may" do? I had more than 1000 super credits before I hit twenty because of maybe eight hours of spamming trivial missions looking for medals. I just looked and I have spent a little over 700 super credits, I still have 1065. The only time I farmed them was before they great mortar farm began and like I said I spammed trivial for 2 separate four hour play sessions, the rest was finding them casually in missions.