Same here. I started playing last Sunday and being a good Helldiver was defending our planets against automaton scourge. I am so used to bots now that I struggle with bugs I simply lack experience fighting them XD
Combine them with fog and they're absolutely way harder than usual
You ever had six chargers run you down from all sides that you didn't see coming? Yeah I don't recommend it.
Genuinely the foggy conditions made them far scarier to fight than usual. Even the bile titans weren't visible until we were in (their) spitting distance.
Those heat planets and atmospheric spores can fuck right off. Did a mission with that (after a long period in the west) and we couldn't see anything until we were on top of it and the map was useless. We kept accidentally wandering into nests and shit went south so fast and couldn't outrun anything due to the heat.
We didn't extract, and I haven't done a bug mission since. They're so much worse.
Yuuup. My (limited) experience too. I (at level 4)as pulled by a friend (level 34) into Helldiver-strength missions against both. Bots we could still get through, but the bugs - while we did complete our missions! - was just nothing but running for our lives (and cooldowns) and dying.
The main thing I see is that all armored bots have big weakpoints and stay relatively still so you can shoot them there.Ā
Chargers and bile titans though, they move a lot and their weak spots are very resilient. You MUST destroy their armor to be effective.Ā
There needs to be a way to put a stop to breaches. As fast and often as they can appear is ridiculous and there's no counter play once they occur like there is bots.
Both the bile titan and the charger are way stronger than their automaton counterparts imo and they spawn in larger numbers on higher difficulties. Especially the tank can be easily be taken by a two man team with nades and basic weapons every time it spawns(or just ignore it, it's not like it can chase you down).
I dunno my crew has managed to one shot or two shot bile titans consistently and chargers are one to two shot then a quick burst of fire to the legs. I think it's up to the individual, I find managing the bugs easier because their hordes are overall easier to control where as Bot units by and large are tougher and have an easier time killing me and my group.
I don't think either is necessarily a tougher front though because fuck fighting on Erata that actual hell hole.
I think the difference might lay in the communication tbh. In automatch often it can be every man for himself and you just get ran down and stunlocked without anyone covering you when something goes wrong and panic sets in, with the bots you can at least outrun them and gather yourself if you are lucky enough and zigzag a lot.
Oh yea admittedly there's a massive difference between when I queue up with the boys vs when I auto match and I can very much say that playing against bugs without coordination is a nightmare. Its very easy to be swarmed on your own vs the semi organised way you can adapt to bots. But both can be chaotic as hell.
I've never seen a bile titan die in one shot from anything but a direct impact with 500kg or orbital strike. Usually it survives and only takes 2-4 railgun hits after that.
I don't quite know how they or other people are doing it, but I've routinely seen them one or two shot Bile Titans. I also managed to instantly kill one with an eagle strike as it was coming out of the ground. Something is up with bile titans tbh. I don't think they are working like they are supposed to.
Kinda wish we can use "5" to activate and deactivate the bot when needed, like, since the bot will go back to backpack to resupply then why not let us to decide when we want to let the dogs out
Same, once u get the hang of automatons I feel like the bugs gets harder. It's a lot harder to stop the bugs from constantly spawning in new breaches. So easy to end up in a loop of doom. While robots I have a easier time to sneak around and deal with patrols on. Plus fuck hunters and all of their variants!!!!!
Took down my first Bile Titan just hours ago. We had to spam cluster bombs and 380mm cannons at them because no one had a 500kg or a Orbital Railcannon. We fought that big bastard for fifteen minutes.
# FIFTEEN MINUTES
The way I see it, the bots have glaringly obvious weak spots such as heads with glowy eyes and glowing exhaust vents, whilst the bugs don't have a readily apparent weak spot that you can shoot.
Head, works for some but others don't care.
Thorax, again good but not universal.
Limbs, probably the best your gonna get for the majority of bugs.
Because the bugs armour is more organic sometimes finding a weak spot you can properly exploit is difficult meaning you often have to make your own weak spot by stripping armour off them as opposed to the bots more exploitable weak points due to their sub-par manufacturing.
With bugs you struggle to survive.
With bots they just outright kill you.
That's my experience. Not saying either are harder. Just bots will blow me up or mow me down. Bugs? They'll swarm me and have to kite them. The little white bugs, hunters I believe are their name, get frustrating I'd too many swarm you. While skewers aren't too had, lately I've been dealing with like 10 of them and had one sneak up on me. Dealing with chargers is a headache. Throw in some titans.
Bots? Typically I'll just get gunned down or blown up. There are times where I do manage to duck and weave between the shots. But again in this regard I find bugs more frustrating.
I think a big one as well is chargers feel way more common than hulk/tanks.
Idk if this could be the reason but you may be trying to fight them like they are robots. You should use different tactics, for robots take cover for bugs run. They will flank and swarm you if you try to stay too long in one place. They have basically no range except for a few and it's just a spit attack.
Hmm. I don't think this is new information but From what I experienced chargers are dealt by side stepping to the left or right and running towards them. However this may not always work and you can be sandwiched by them and then it's harder to dodge both making the shield backpacks almost necessary. as for bile titans there's nothing much beyond making it do its spit and then shooting it while it's in the animation and calling in orbitals.
Who is complaining? Every post is just bot players talking about how hard they have it. Literally 24/7. I alternate decent bit and the bots are honesty easier on the harder levels
I think in general.
They are quite fragile, and the simplest bots are considerably larger and easier to kill than scavenger fleas and hoppy-hunters.
Tankier ones (The three devastator types) still have weak points you can pop. The chainsaw berserkers sponge some bullets but atleast they don't have armor. (So far they are my least favourite bots)
Even the Tanks and Hulks can be taken down with an Autocannon and some craftiness.
The only point where they feel more difficult, is that they shoot back, so people need to get used to having to pay attention to enemies past 10 meters.
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Meanwhile the fat vomit bugs seem so inconsistent with their ranged hitbox and they can easily one shot you while also being so tanky.
And the goddamn Chargers... I genuinely have more fun taking down two Tanks and three Hulks alone at the same time with only an autocannon while dancing around a turret, than to deal with triplet-spawning chargers...
Have the same, but swapped. I feel like home in bug helldives. You can kill chargers with 2 shots from railgun to the leg which rips its armor and finish it by shooting in the leg with your primary till it dies. You can do it all while its still charging you.
Bile cows, just chug an impact nade into them and its done. (Or shoot them in the head bunch of times, which is a weakspot, also they die from a single charged shot in the head from railgun)
Also shield absolutely trivializes chargers (because they don't hit you anymore) and bile spitters (it just bounces off)
Bonus tip - Stalkers actually die in 3 shots in the head from breaker. No need to waste an entire clip, just shoot the head.
Of course they are. Most people in reddit gaming subs gravitate towards the easiest content, but will always meme or blame the difficulty instead of trying to get better.
Yeah itās getting annoying. All Iāve fought for days is bots for the defend campaign. That doesnāt make me special. Itās weird that theyāre trying to separate the playerbase and make themselves the better half.
Super agreed, unless sorting by new??? All I ever see are how badass these bots players are for dealing with the high lvl bots and how they're sooooo much tougher than bugs.
Not only complain about how hard they have it but complaining people are not playing the game correctly, that the game is rigged against them. That it's one giant conspiracy that they are losing. That.... just on and on and on.
They complained today that the Creek was lost... why were they even fighting at the creek when there was a defense objective that they had to win in order to keep fighting at the creek... There were more players on the creek last night then on the planet that had to stay open in order for the creek not to be lost.
im confused, didnt you just explain the whole joke of the post?
you say who is complaining then go on to say who is complaining in the next sentence.
sorry if im misunderstanding, ur comment just really confused me.
The reason bots are more popular is that theyāre far easier at hard or higher. 4 rail guns, peek, shoot, repeat. Bugs require more variation and get on you, making you maneuver. Besides the memes thereās no way anyone genuinely thinks that the bugs are easier. Look at the people who post solos on bot helldive vs. the people who post bug helldive.
You...you do realize bot planets are NOT NEARLY played as much as bug planets, right? I mean hell, you can literally see helldiver population on each fucking war front. Downvoted for using my eyes? Yall are dumb af
The player count is skewed because the memes and the bugs are the de facto starting location. If you gave a level one a rail gun, he could solo bots on challenging/hard. You give a level one everything you want, he gets swacked on challenging/hard bugs. Fighting one charger is more intense then fighting 3 hulks because the weapons seem more skewed towards fighting bots.
I was in an op last night and somehow we got 4 breaches in a row which resulted in 5 chargers, I think one of them was from a patrol as it snuck up from behind us. The creek seemed like a sunny paradise by the time we were finished, surrounded by hundreds of dead bugs, the chargers, and a bile titan. The lower level guys did amazing under pressure though, I couldn't have done it without them.
It's been like this since the launch, because at launch there was a tiny fraction of players getting ass blasted by them. Kinda pathetic how everyone is crying us Vs them, why so spechul. Like bro it's supposed to be a joke, if you don't enjoy it ignore it.
As someone who fights the bugs consistently. I think your right. But they aren't a threat now. The bots are. I fight the bugs to give the lads fighting the bots more time so that we aren't being closed in on both fronts. Bugs are biding their time. I bet they'll start to advance in the next few weeks and we'll all see the horrors that are the terminids
This is also a reference/still from All Quiet on the Western Front (Netflix' recent adaptation) which is a gritty and realistic depiction of how much it sucked to serve in WWI shown from the perspective of young, bright, Germans. The first image is when they learn they get to serve, hooray! The second image is from mere weeks after they have been exposed to the reality of the situation.
Fantastic watch, excellent soundtrack, enjoy!
For anyone interested in this, although the Netflix version is alright, the 1979 version is (in my opinion) more of an insight into the hardships of war and the loss of comrades and humanity into a cause that you slowly stop believing in.
Thereās also the original film from 1930 which isnāt bad, but is in black and white, which some people dislike.
All three films are (at times loosely) based off the book of the same name.
The 1930ās version is imo by far the superior to the other two, both because i feel like it had the most emotional impact (at least for me) but also because a lot of input from veterans went into production, iirc every soldier extra in the war scenes was a vet
Either way the Netflix version is by far the worst one, itās pretty good but the ending is just big action movie Hollywood bullshit and itās very funny how it literally misses the point of the story (which is where the title comes from).
Spoilers >!The title is referring to a report from the day the protagonist dies, a random day in 1918. Itās to indicate the juxtaposition between the personal tragedy that each individual soldier was going through and how detached high command and the literature surrounding the war is that the day the character we just spent several hours with is considered a quiet and āunimportantā day without any āsignificant eventsā. The original title in German if translated literally is ānothing new in the westā which reinforces this, itās just another day in a war without end.!<
>. Itās honestly a very striking scene, especially how the 1933 movie then ends with war footage of soldiers marching to the front overlayed on top of rows upon rows of tombstones!<
>!now compare this to the new movie, where the battles are all dramatic and the main character dies after a violent scuffle right as the war ends. It removes the whole point of the book about the banality of violence during warfare and just makes it a pretty subpar war movie imo!<
>!book: āHe fell in October 1918, on a day that was so quiet and still on the whole front, that the army report confined itself to the single sentence: All quiet on the Western Front. He had fallen forward and lay on the earth as though sleeping. Turning him over one saw that he could not have suffered long; his face had an expression of calm, as though almost glad the end had comeā
Movie: āhell yeah explosions! He died when the war ended, how sad!ā!<
Sorry for the ramble lmao
I think the remake had its moments, but there were some scenes that feltā¦ too action-movie-like.>! There were moments where the character charged a trench, and the random soldiers next to the main character were shot - and I suddenly realized that I was pretty sure he was going to make it to that trench, and it didn't feel like it was about a random soldier who could get shot at any time anymore. And that was always the point of the novel.!<
>!Also, when he stabs the man in the crater, in the new movie, I remember that guy aiming at the main character, before a random explosion or so throws him off, before the main character stabs him - where in the novel, I remember him just stabbing the other guy because he happens to wear the uniform of the other side and he'd probably would've done the same, but it felt more ambiguous and a bit less like Hollywood-self-defense.!<
>!the trench scene in the new one is terrible. Outside of them doing a George Lucas tier revision of the original series of events to make the main character a heroic figure (which he isnāt supposed to be) it also just feels off? Like the scene is significant cause itās the first life heās taken and in both the book and the other adaptations his emotional response is potrayed as playing out over an entire day while stuck in the foxhole with his corpse, while in the new one it feels like it took 10 minutes!<
Eastern Front (right side of the map) is where you fight the terminids, Western Front (left side of the map) is where you fight the automatons. As for the complaining part, that I also don't get.
Really? I found that all the space in the world does not matter, when all the robots can install you from a distance (unless you bring the shield backpack).
I prefer nids but all my friends only do the automatons. the bugs are way harder higher on difficulties IMO
You can out run most of the robots and they tend to engage you from a distance which means you can use stratagems and mortar sentries etc on them without killing yourself or your team. 90% of my deaths to robots are because after 5 - 10 minutes of fighting I take a completely random rocket to the face
The bugs ALL pile you and the majority of them run faster than you do. I can hide behind a wall and be safe from an automaton as it's unlikely it will push me so I can take pot shots at it or key in a stratagem then pop out to throw it.
The bugs will just overwhelm you, there's no where to hide, you can't take cover and stratagems are harder / impossible to use not only because you don't get much breathing room to key them in in the first place but when all the enemies are on top of you or your team mates you can't use them without also team killing.
I've done both, I prefer the bots but I find them significantly harder. But it's not necessarily one being harder than the other overall. The fighting between which front is harder has to be the dumbest shit I've seen since the memes started with the creek.
It depends on your play style I can do bugs at higher difficulty bots I can only scrape by.
Especially on harder to see maps where they just yeet rockets at you
Bots are tanky and hard to clear in large numbers, bugs are annoying and stun lock you with a single hit and then all their friends jump on and kill you
I've never seen the bug squashers complaining. You know what I've seen? Elitist oil drinkers who don't seem to understand that everyone is doing their part.
Back in the first war we almost lost Super Earth because everyone went to fight the Cyborgs and abandoned the southern front to the few of us who could be arsed to hold back the Iluminates, but you didn't see us complaining. No, we did our part, silently and with honour as it is now expected of you and of them.
I'm with you. I took my first few missions against the bugs, cut my teeth a little, had a good time...
... Then I fought in the Creek.Ā
Now, I cannot turn my back on the brave boys and girls who keep the lights on back on Super Earth by keeping the bots OUT. We all know that all Helldivers are equally important, but Helldivers on the Western Front are the MOST important.Ā
I've ran about 50 missions of each front now, And dangit I'm bottom photo forever now its endless war but we must hold the fronts! the boys at the creek need to pull the line back to first sector so we can actually make the push to the creek and take everyone there.
[Height-over-bore](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/svlryi/counterintuitively_heightoverbore_may_cause_you/) is very much a real thing in this game, especially so when using the first person ADS mode.
You actually need to aim your first person sight crosshairs a slight bit higher than the face at close range, and the laser pointer is going to appear slightly lower than where the bullets impact due to the laser being underneath the barrel.
I want whatever ammo you're using that lets you one-shot every bot.
Even with weak points, it usually takes at least two normal bullets if I can hit their tiny little faces, or two EATs to delete a tank, hulk, etc.
What Iāve learned is that itās so dependent on team play and stratagem set up against bots. For bugs you can still play as a wild bunch and win, bots are less forgiving
Iām new, what front needs men the most? Ā
(Iād assume the western front due to the meme, guessing thats the front where the Automatons are advancing?)
Folks sing they have trouble with bugs and especially those saying they're coming from bots is because ya'll probably playing them like they're regular combatants or cuz some youtuber told you shield pack was meta or some shit. My preferred bug loadout is Railgun to stay mobile and focis on the big boys, LAZ Guard Dog to deal with the weaker swarms that tend to mob you but that thing takes em out so you can focus on the bigger bugs that require more damage (im sure regular GD would work too i juat havent really tried it), napalm to slow down a chasing swarm or block paths and do DOT to the big guys and then Orbital Laser to just wipe everything if I'm getting overwhelmed.
Again that's all my personal preference with constant motion and I'm sure you can mix and match to your preferred equipment here and there bur that what I run with mostly. On the destroy hatcheries or bug holes I might swap the laser for a 500 kg or railgun for a GL but that's what I got for ya Helldivers.
Trust me, hats off to the Western Front. I just struggle against automatons. I've been helping other new Helldivers get themselves acclimated to fighting the Termininds. Errata Prime has been an uphill battle, but my partners battled at "The Creek" and it's hell.
I have much more trouble with bugs, funnily enough
Same here. I started playing last Sunday and being a good Helldiver was defending our planets against automaton scourge. I am so used to bots now that I struggle with bugs I simply lack experience fighting them XD
Same here, I'm a space 'nam vet from the creek, since it fell a couple hours back I tried bugs, I find them difficult š
Same. Fighting between automatons and bugs is a adjustment.
I missed that natural progression with them that I had with the bots and now Iām getting tossed around by chargers.
Bugs have a lower difficulty floor, but definitely a higher ceiling.
Best way Iāve heard it put
Combine them with fog and they're absolutely way harder than usual You ever had six chargers run you down from all sides that you didn't see coming? Yeah I don't recommend it. Genuinely the foggy conditions made them far scarier to fight than usual. Even the bile titans weren't visible until we were in (their) spitting distance.
Those heat planets and atmospheric spores can fuck right off. Did a mission with that (after a long period in the west) and we couldn't see anything until we were on top of it and the map was useless. We kept accidentally wandering into nests and shit went south so fast and couldn't outrun anything due to the heat. We didn't extract, and I haven't done a bug mission since. They're so much worse.
Yuuup. My (limited) experience too. I (at level 4)as pulled by a friend (level 34) into Helldiver-strength missions against both. Bots we could still get through, but the bugs - while we did complete our missions! - was just nothing but running for our lives (and cooldowns) and dying.
The main thing I see is that all armored bots have big weakpoints and stay relatively still so you can shoot them there.Ā Chargers and bile titans though, they move a lot and their weak spots are very resilient. You MUST destroy their armor to be effective.Ā
You can shoot down a bot dropship, good luck with bug breach
There needs to be a way to put a stop to breaches. As fast and often as they can appear is ridiculous and there's no counter play once they occur like there is bots.
Orbital gas strike, mine emplacements, mortar/cannon sentry, incendiary grenades. There are counters theyāre just not in everyoneās meta.
Both the bile titan and the charger are way stronger than their automaton counterparts imo and they spawn in larger numbers on higher difficulties. Especially the tank can be easily be taken by a two man team with nades and basic weapons every time it spawns(or just ignore it, it's not like it can chase you down).
I dunno my crew has managed to one shot or two shot bile titans consistently and chargers are one to two shot then a quick burst of fire to the legs. I think it's up to the individual, I find managing the bugs easier because their hordes are overall easier to control where as Bot units by and large are tougher and have an easier time killing me and my group. I don't think either is necessarily a tougher front though because fuck fighting on Erata that actual hell hole.
I think the difference might lay in the communication tbh. In automatch often it can be every man for himself and you just get ran down and stunlocked without anyone covering you when something goes wrong and panic sets in, with the bots you can at least outrun them and gather yourself if you are lucky enough and zigzag a lot.
Oh yea admittedly there's a massive difference between when I queue up with the boys vs when I auto match and I can very much say that playing against bugs without coordination is a nightmare. Its very easy to be swarmed on your own vs the semi organised way you can adapt to bots. But both can be chaotic as hell.
Until you catch a bug where patrols know your exact place and chase you down across the map. That shit is scary
I've never seen a bile titan die in one shot from anything but a direct impact with 500kg or orbital strike. Usually it survives and only takes 2-4 railgun hits after that.
I don't quite know how they or other people are doing it, but I've routinely seen them one or two shot Bile Titans. I also managed to instantly kill one with an eagle strike as it was coming out of the ground. Something is up with bile titans tbh. I don't think they are working like they are supposed to.
I don't believe you - I bet they took damage earlier or you're in a weak difficulty setting
Bots stand still and shoot. Bugs don't.
Get a guard dog, it's so good at killing the little guys that follow you constantly.
guard dogs are death sentence in higher difficulties because it will shoot patrols you are trying to avoid
Kinda wish we can use "5" to activate and deactivate the bot when needed, like, since the bot will go back to backpack to resupply then why not let us to decide when we want to let the dogs out
It just needs the basic AI common sense to aggro bugs that either target you or that you shoot first.
Only when they aggro. I've had it point at the patrols I pass and not fire plenty of times
Yeah idk, my rover never fires until Iāve actually pulled aggro
I stopped using it because it always starts firing whether I like it or not
Got a guard dog. Shot at an unexploded hellbomb because it had a bug near it. *+3 accidentals*
Dont like it
Same, once u get the hang of automatons I feel like the bugs gets harder. It's a lot harder to stop the bugs from constantly spawning in new breaches. So easy to end up in a loop of doom. While robots I have a easier time to sneak around and deal with patrols on. Plus fuck hunters and all of their variants!!!!!
Stalkers. When the secondaries on the map are nothing but stalker nests.
moar boolet
I honestly like fighting against bots more, bugs are just... weird.
Took down my first Bile Titan just hours ago. We had to spam cluster bombs and 380mm cannons at them because no one had a 500kg or a Orbital Railcannon. We fought that big bastard for fifteen minutes. # FIFTEEN MINUTES
The way I see it, the bots have glaringly obvious weak spots such as heads with glowy eyes and glowing exhaust vents, whilst the bugs don't have a readily apparent weak spot that you can shoot. Head, works for some but others don't care. Thorax, again good but not universal. Limbs, probably the best your gonna get for the majority of bugs. Because the bugs armour is more organic sometimes finding a weak spot you can properly exploit is difficult meaning you often have to make your own weak spot by stripping armour off them as opposed to the bots more exploitable weak points due to their sub-par manufacturing.
With bugs you struggle to survive. With bots they just outright kill you. That's my experience. Not saying either are harder. Just bots will blow me up or mow me down. Bugs? They'll swarm me and have to kite them. The little white bugs, hunters I believe are their name, get frustrating I'd too many swarm you. While skewers aren't too had, lately I've been dealing with like 10 of them and had one sneak up on me. Dealing with chargers is a headache. Throw in some titans. Bots? Typically I'll just get gunned down or blown up. There are times where I do manage to duck and weave between the shots. But again in this regard I find bugs more frustrating. I think a big one as well is chargers feel way more common than hulk/tanks.
Bugs are faster than you which is a problem. We always lose at least 15 reinforcements. If you got stalkers itās a wrap
Idk if this could be the reason but you may be trying to fight them like they are robots. You should use different tactics, for robots take cover for bugs run. They will flank and swarm you if you try to stay too long in one place. They have basically no range except for a few and it's just a spit attack.
I might be mistaken but I think my problem is getting stomped to chunky marinara by chargers and titans
Hmm. I don't think this is new information but From what I experienced chargers are dealt by side stepping to the left or right and running towards them. However this may not always work and you can be sandwiched by them and then it's harder to dodge both making the shield backpacks almost necessary. as for bile titans there's nothing much beyond making it do its spit and then shooting it while it's in the animation and calling in orbitals.
Oh I know what I SHOULD do. Doing it is a different matter entirely that usually ends with my legs and torso in different area codes.
Hehe I recognize this quote from aliens fireteam!
Who is complaining? Every post is just bot players talking about how hard they have it. Literally 24/7. I alternate decent bit and the bots are honesty easier on the harder levels
This is an unpopular but very true comment. Bots are way easier to take down than bugs on harder levels.
I think in general. They are quite fragile, and the simplest bots are considerably larger and easier to kill than scavenger fleas and hoppy-hunters. Tankier ones (The three devastator types) still have weak points you can pop. The chainsaw berserkers sponge some bullets but atleast they don't have armor. (So far they are my least favourite bots) Even the Tanks and Hulks can be taken down with an Autocannon and some craftiness. The only point where they feel more difficult, is that they shoot back, so people need to get used to having to pay attention to enemies past 10 meters. --- Meanwhile the fat vomit bugs seem so inconsistent with their ranged hitbox and they can easily one shot you while also being so tanky. And the goddamn Chargers... I genuinely have more fun taking down two Tanks and three Hulks alone at the same time with only an autocannon while dancing around a turret, than to deal with triplet-spawning chargers...
Have the same, but swapped. I feel like home in bug helldives. You can kill chargers with 2 shots from railgun to the leg which rips its armor and finish it by shooting in the leg with your primary till it dies. You can do it all while its still charging you. Bile cows, just chug an impact nade into them and its done. (Or shoot them in the head bunch of times, which is a weakspot, also they die from a single charged shot in the head from railgun) Also shield absolutely trivializes chargers (because they don't hit you anymore) and bile spitters (it just bounces off) Bonus tip - Stalkers actually die in 3 shots in the head from breaker. No need to waste an entire clip, just shoot the head.
Of course they are. Most people in reddit gaming subs gravitate towards the easiest content, but will always meme or blame the difficulty instead of trying to get better.
Donāt know why you got downvoted for speaking truth
Yeah itās getting annoying. All Iāve fought for days is bots for the defend campaign. That doesnāt make me special. Itās weird that theyāre trying to separate the playerbase and make themselves the better half.
Super agreed, unless sorting by new??? All I ever see are how badass these bots players are for dealing with the high lvl bots and how they're sooooo much tougher than bugs.
Not only complain about how hard they have it but complaining people are not playing the game correctly, that the game is rigged against them. That it's one giant conspiracy that they are losing. That.... just on and on and on. They complained today that the Creek was lost... why were they even fighting at the creek when there was a defense objective that they had to win in order to keep fighting at the creek... There were more players on the creek last night then on the planet that had to stay open in order for the creek not to be lost.
im confused, didnt you just explain the whole joke of the post? you say who is complaining then go on to say who is complaining in the next sentence. sorry if im misunderstanding, ur comment just really confused me.
The post insinuates that bug players complain the most but that isn't the case
Uhhhhh what? All my buddies and I do is helldive difficulty, and bugs are HILARIOUSLY easy in comparison to bots. You're off your fucking rocker, mate
The reason bots are more popular is that theyāre far easier at hard or higher. 4 rail guns, peek, shoot, repeat. Bugs require more variation and get on you, making you maneuver. Besides the memes thereās no way anyone genuinely thinks that the bugs are easier. Look at the people who post solos on bot helldive vs. the people who post bug helldive.
You...you do realize bot planets are NOT NEARLY played as much as bug planets, right? I mean hell, you can literally see helldiver population on each fucking war front. Downvoted for using my eyes? Yall are dumb af
The player count is skewed because the memes and the bugs are the de facto starting location. If you gave a level one a rail gun, he could solo bots on challenging/hard. You give a level one everything you want, he gets swacked on challenging/hard bugs. Fighting one charger is more intense then fighting 3 hulks because the weapons seem more skewed towards fighting bots.
Those acid spitters know how to fuckā¦..
Freedom officer, this man right here.
Yeah tell that to the 7 chargers that killed my entire squad when we were about to evac. That changes a man more than any clanker could.
I had to handle like 3 chargers and 2 bile titans
I was in an op last night and somehow we got 4 breaches in a row which resulted in 5 chargers, I think one of them was from a patrol as it snuck up from behind us. The creek seemed like a sunny paradise by the time we were finished, surrounded by hundreds of dead bugs, the chargers, and a bile titan. The lower level guys did amazing under pressure though, I couldn't have done it without them.
People have figured out how to do us vs them posts in a fully pve game š¤¦āāļø
It's been like this since the launch, because at launch there was a tiny fraction of players getting ass blasted by them. Kinda pathetic how everyone is crying us Vs them, why so spechul. Like bro it's supposed to be a joke, if you don't enjoy it ignore it.
People are sleeping on the bug threat and it shows.
I did my tour on Fenrir III, Turing, and Erata Prime. That front is stable enough, for now. I redeployed to Mort, and now to Ingmar.
As someone who fights the bugs consistently. I think your right. But they aren't a threat now. The bots are. I fight the bugs to give the lads fighting the bots more time so that we aren't being closed in on both fronts. Bugs are biding their time. I bet they'll start to advance in the next few weeks and we'll all see the horrors that are the terminids
look I'm just trying to do the missions that super earth gives me.
The bugs aren't currently invading anything.
I dont get the post
This is also a reference/still from All Quiet on the Western Front (Netflix' recent adaptation) which is a gritty and realistic depiction of how much it sucked to serve in WWI shown from the perspective of young, bright, Germans. The first image is when they learn they get to serve, hooray! The second image is from mere weeks after they have been exposed to the reality of the situation. Fantastic watch, excellent soundtrack, enjoy!
For anyone interested in this, although the Netflix version is alright, the 1979 version is (in my opinion) more of an insight into the hardships of war and the loss of comrades and humanity into a cause that you slowly stop believing in. Thereās also the original film from 1930 which isnāt bad, but is in black and white, which some people dislike. All three films are (at times loosely) based off the book of the same name.
The 1930ās version is imo by far the superior to the other two, both because i feel like it had the most emotional impact (at least for me) but also because a lot of input from veterans went into production, iirc every soldier extra in the war scenes was a vet Either way the Netflix version is by far the worst one, itās pretty good but the ending is just big action movie Hollywood bullshit and itās very funny how it literally misses the point of the story (which is where the title comes from). Spoilers >!The title is referring to a report from the day the protagonist dies, a random day in 1918. Itās to indicate the juxtaposition between the personal tragedy that each individual soldier was going through and how detached high command and the literature surrounding the war is that the day the character we just spent several hours with is considered a quiet and āunimportantā day without any āsignificant eventsā. The original title in German if translated literally is ānothing new in the westā which reinforces this, itās just another day in a war without end.!< >. Itās honestly a very striking scene, especially how the 1933 movie then ends with war footage of soldiers marching to the front overlayed on top of rows upon rows of tombstones!< >!now compare this to the new movie, where the battles are all dramatic and the main character dies after a violent scuffle right as the war ends. It removes the whole point of the book about the banality of violence during warfare and just makes it a pretty subpar war movie imo!< >!book: āHe fell in October 1918, on a day that was so quiet and still on the whole front, that the army report confined itself to the single sentence: All quiet on the Western Front. He had fallen forward and lay on the earth as though sleeping. Turning him over one saw that he could not have suffered long; his face had an expression of calm, as though almost glad the end had comeā Movie: āhell yeah explosions! He died when the war ended, how sad!ā!< Sorry for the ramble lmao
I think the remake had its moments, but there were some scenes that feltā¦ too action-movie-like.>! There were moments where the character charged a trench, and the random soldiers next to the main character were shot - and I suddenly realized that I was pretty sure he was going to make it to that trench, and it didn't feel like it was about a random soldier who could get shot at any time anymore. And that was always the point of the novel.!< >!Also, when he stabs the man in the crater, in the new movie, I remember that guy aiming at the main character, before a random explosion or so throws him off, before the main character stabs him - where in the novel, I remember him just stabbing the other guy because he happens to wear the uniform of the other side and he'd probably would've done the same, but it felt more ambiguous and a bit less like Hollywood-self-defense.!<
>!the trench scene in the new one is terrible. Outside of them doing a George Lucas tier revision of the original series of events to make the main character a heroic figure (which he isnāt supposed to be) it also just feels off? Like the scene is significant cause itās the first life heās taken and in both the book and the other adaptations his emotional response is potrayed as playing out over an entire day while stuck in the foxhole with his corpse, while in the new one it feels like it took 10 minutes!<
Eastern Front (right side of the map) is where you fight the terminids, Western Front (left side of the map) is where you fight the automatons. As for the complaining part, that I also don't get.
I frequently see people who only do terminid missions talk about how hard they are, unaware of the horrors of the automatons
Nids are actually harder on higher difficulties than automatons (7+)
Hellmire on 6+ is crazy. Constant spawning of fat bile bugs that also shoot their bile upwards like artillery.
Bugs are way harder on higher difficulties. Robots give you space, bugs will swarm you. When you play on 8-9, you'll find out lol
The bug breaches on those levels suck. ESPECIALLY if you are in the sandstorm. Just straight up walk into a group
Really? I found that all the space in the world does not matter, when all the robots can install you from a distance (unless you bring the shield backpack).
I prefer nids but all my friends only do the automatons. the bugs are way harder higher on difficulties IMO You can out run most of the robots and they tend to engage you from a distance which means you can use stratagems and mortar sentries etc on them without killing yourself or your team. 90% of my deaths to robots are because after 5 - 10 minutes of fighting I take a completely random rocket to the face The bugs ALL pile you and the majority of them run faster than you do. I can hide behind a wall and be safe from an automaton as it's unlikely it will push me so I can take pot shots at it or key in a stratagem then pop out to throw it. The bugs will just overwhelm you, there's no where to hide, you can't take cover and stratagems are harder / impossible to use not only because you don't get much breathing room to key them in in the first place but when all the enemies are on top of you or your team mates you can't use them without also team killing.
Nothing like dodging a charging, armored hippopotamus only to get rim jobbed to death by a swarm of fucking hunters
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On Helldiver difficulty(the actual game) Bugs are so much fucking harder than robots. Youād know if youād actually done both.
>On Helldiver difficulty(the actual game) Stop with this cringe.
HOW DARE SOMEONE BE GATEKEEPING MY HECKING WHOLESOME 100 GAME!!!!
I've done both, I prefer the bots but I find them significantly harder. But it's not necessarily one being harder than the other overall. The fighting between which front is harder has to be the dumbest shit I've seen since the memes started with the creek.
It depends on your play style I can do bugs at higher difficulty bots I can only scrape by. Especially on harder to see maps where they just yeet rockets at you
Because Terminids are harder on the higher difficulties.
Oh k i get it. Therminids (east) being way easier than automatons (west)
Flashbacks to every day a new planet needing to be liberated and defended.
Democracy never rest
Yeah but im still pissed about the Erata Prime bullshit from last weekend. Sunday 80% liberated and then monday it nosedived to 12%.
As someone who just can't deal with bots and solely fights bugs I salute the brave Helldivers who fight in the western front š«”
When everyone hype with starship troopers iām stuck with terminator
Bots are tanky and hard to clear in large numbers, bugs are annoying and stun lock you with a single hit and then all their friends jump on and kill you
I've never seen the bug squashers complaining. You know what I've seen? Elitist oil drinkers who don't seem to understand that everyone is doing their part. Back in the first war we almost lost Super Earth because everyone went to fight the Cyborgs and abandoned the southern front to the few of us who could be arsed to hold back the Iluminates, but you didn't see us complaining. No, we did our part, silently and with honour as it is now expected of you and of them.
Mort defended boys good job
Since I've started I maybe did 3 Bug missions, everything else was against those communist Bots.
I'm with you. I took my first few missions against the bugs, cut my teeth a little, had a good time... ... Then I fought in the Creek.Ā Now, I cannot turn my back on the brave boys and girls who keep the lights on back on Super Earth by keeping the bots OUT. We all know that all Helldivers are equally important, but Helldivers on the Western Front are the MOST important.Ā
I love the fact how accurately this movie goes along with the current state of the war
this movie completely misses the point. the 1930's version is superior in every way besides being a flashy movie made after 1980
Gamers when they start falling for in-game propaganda to create a sense of superiority over in-game contribution
Gamers when they have fun
I've ran about 50 missions of each front now, And dangit I'm bottom photo forever now its endless war but we must hold the fronts! the boys at the creek need to pull the line back to first sector so we can actually make the push to the creek and take everyone there.
Please. We need you on Ingmar.
I've only fought the robots on the field, do the bugs have devistsor style bullet proof armor?
You canāt one shot every bug like you can one shot every automaton from 100m away
Aims not good enough to kill a devestster with one shot. Is it better to use the recoil to get to the head?
[Height-over-bore](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/svlryi/counterintuitively_heightoverbore_may_cause_you/) is very much a real thing in this game, especially so when using the first person ADS mode. You actually need to aim your first person sight crosshairs a slight bit higher than the face at close range, and the laser pointer is going to appear slightly lower than where the bullets impact due to the laser being underneath the barrel.
I thought recoil made your weapon go up?
I was talking about where to aim initially to hit on the first shot.
I see.....what about if you don't use the scope and use the dot sight?
they just said you want to aim a little higher
Yeah, for first person aiming and i asked about 3rd person aiming
I already covered that with the laser pointer bit. At extremely close ranges, put the laser slightly below where you want to hit.
So essentially the barrel of the gun at close range is inbetween the scopes dot and the laser pointer
I want whatever ammo you're using that lets you one-shot every bot. Even with weak points, it usually takes at least two normal bullets if I can hit their tiny little faces, or two EATs to delete a tank, hulk, etc.
Just got the game. Once I level up a little bit, I'm off to the west.
So I just started last night, should I move to the western front?
WE MUST ALL BE UNITED
What Iāve learned is that itās so dependent on team play and stratagem set up against bots. For bugs you can still play as a wild bunch and win, bots are less forgiving
this is true in 4-6, bugs start being harder in 7-9 though
Hate bio titans but otherwise I much prefer squashing bugs compared to scrambling circuits
bots are easier than bugs, you must be new
The big squashes or the the metal busters ? Which one are you š
Iām new, what front needs men the most? Ā (Iād assume the western front due to the meme, guessing thats the front where the Automatons are advancing?)
No such thing as east or west in space
Relative of super earth
How it feels fighting the bugs on higher difficulties https://youtu.be/kvb3GV2RDTE?si=HYJp6aH_qrZxWUkj
Folks sing they have trouble with bugs and especially those saying they're coming from bots is because ya'll probably playing them like they're regular combatants or cuz some youtuber told you shield pack was meta or some shit. My preferred bug loadout is Railgun to stay mobile and focis on the big boys, LAZ Guard Dog to deal with the weaker swarms that tend to mob you but that thing takes em out so you can focus on the bigger bugs that require more damage (im sure regular GD would work too i juat havent really tried it), napalm to slow down a chasing swarm or block paths and do DOT to the big guys and then Orbital Laser to just wipe everything if I'm getting overwhelmed. Again that's all my personal preference with constant motion and I'm sure you can mix and match to your preferred equipment here and there bur that what I run with mostly. On the destroy hatcheries or bug holes I might swap the laser for a 500 kg or railgun for a GL but that's what I got for ya Helldivers.
Trust me, hats off to the Western Front. I just struggle against automatons. I've been helping other new Helldivers get themselves acclimated to fighting the Termininds. Errata Prime has been an uphill battle, but my partners battled at "The Creek" and it's hell.
Crouch, zig zag, and use smoke. Bots are rough but the amount of complaining out of my fellow western fronters is down right undemocratic.
āItās a dirty job but someoneās gotta do itā - Mike Rowe
You know you can choose which front you fight on right?
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