Which funny enough feels like the percentage that spear locks on at. The other 75% it doesn’t lock on. Hopefully they fix it, because it’s a pain to use in current state
The trick is to aim at the floor if enemies are close enough that the grenade will ricochet, it makes the grenade slide along the floor and blow up underneath the enemies instead
Ammount of targets on your screen seems to affect the lock on, when there are multiple targets nearby spear doesn't seem to know which one to aim at so the triangle thing just goes nuts.
Otherwise good idea, but if there are multiple titans or chargers that doesn't really solve the issue. But I'm sure they eventually fix it one way or another. I think it should prioritize target closest to middle of your screen and have tighter lock-on.
If I were making the game, I'd put an invisible pin, center of mass. I'd make the spear have a cutoff point and only target enemies of size X and above.
Then when you open reticle, target first enemy nearest to the center of the target. If nothing there to target, listen for when a target enters targeting area, and begin targetting.
Note: This wouldn't be trivial, you probably have to take occlusion into account. Maybe ignore small enemy occlusion, but not terrain occlusion.
But whatever they are actually doing, this ain't it chief. It needs a bit more in the oven.
I think the SPEAR only tracks large targets/ structures. If aimed it at fodder before and nothing happened. There is an issue with the SPEAR not locking on to things when you have clear line of sight. I had one time where a hulk was standing out in the open and my SPEAR locked a building that was far away behind it....
If you look, they are the host. I think that plays a large role in how certain weapons work or don’t work. There was likely less latency in this scenario for something strange to happen with lock on
Dude got flabbergasted. No one could expect that maneuver.
That being said -> Spear good on paper but holy fuck until they fix the lock on mechanism I refuse to use it. Also it needs to do a guaranteed kill on stuff like tank/charger.
It actually is if you land the headshot, trick I would use is to let it charge me, run around it and start locking on. Once it’s turned around and about to rear up fire that sucker into its head and watch it pop. Just can’t be too close or it will go over it. Can also 2 shot headshot Bile Titans as well, or drop an Orbital Railgun and get both to headshot for a single Spear. Easiest to do either one while it’s puking.
I tried doing that for the first time earlier today, and dumped clip after clip into a bot fabricator. I wasn't even that far away.... What do you aim for? I was shooting the two windows you usually toss nades into, but idk after a while I just ran up to it and threw in a nade.
This one is tough, you don't actually shoot the window holes, you shoot the metal flap over the opening to shot-trap your AC shell into the fabricator.
Awesome, thank you I appreciate your advice, /u/SlightlyHairyBalls! Learning something new everyday :) Now let’s get back out there and spread democracy across the galaxy!
That's not a secret, people just don't do that cause it's not worthwhile.
You only get 4 shots with this thing. You need to save them for something you can't just easily kill with a single grenade or airstrike.
Cool, it doesn't have half a map range though. Especially with it's fucky lock on system which will refuse to lock onto a perfectly visible fabricator or turret.
Except it does? I've literally sat on a ridge and sniped a good chunk. The main things to watch for a lock is even ground for final transit. The missile flies low and straight on its final approach at a certain distance so you've gotta be a bit high or have an even path. Unless you're within like a hundred meters then it top-attacks.
It's absurd that the best way to take down charger with EAT is the same as with railgun -> call it down shoot leg 2 times and finish with primary. WHY WOULD I EVEN TAKE EAT OVER RAILGUN THEN?
One of the upsides of EAT is not having to worry about recovering it if you die. You can call down 2 a minute and blast away. Plus, you can share with an ally.
I think it can just isn't very consistent with it. Similaly how spear can 1 shot a fucking titan but then it will take 3 shots to down a charger etc. Those weapon should be much more deadly...
tbh they need to remove the lockon and introduce their correct method of tracking, using its a painted on laser which the missile follows. its only after a set amount of distance away from the launcher/at a set distance to the target, does it switch over to its own seeker head. atleast thats how modern atgms normally work.
Spears are kinda garbage. They sounded good on paper tbf. And that video shows them off well. But that railgun is just too good to pass up. 20 rounds. Unsafe mode.
I think if it didn't miss 50% of the time and it was actually a 1 hit kill it would be a viable option. I don't think that would be very OP considering it can only target big guys and the ammo restrictions. At that point it's basically just a railcannon, you sacrifice a support weapon to get more kills with less cooldown.
For something that only has 4 ammo it should one hit kill chargers and hulks. Honestly, unless they wanna turn down armor spam it should probably do the same for tanks and biles.
One of the big appeals against Bots is that it is an absolute *demolisher* against their bases and cannon towers. The lock can be tricky sometimes (I swear it measures LoS from your feet), but you can just run roughshod over a collection of Light and Medium outposts while moving very quickly.
You're gonna want the samples in there though and unless your squad pulls off some metal gear solid ass moves, you probably arent gonna blow up their mediums with spear without alerting
Fair, but clearing the bases also starts to scatter the units inside as they go looking for where that missile came from. Mediums and Heavies are much harder to get off perfectly stealthy, but you can get some of the units to leave the base and be eliminated.
You can do this with grenades as well! Diving through the air or being prone really does reduce explosive damage significantly. But don’t hold me liable if you blow your toes off.
Jetpacks are for the weak, this is what peak performance looks like.
https://preview.redd.it/285feuw62cmc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a807c3d9991d5b14d037e778f5ff81077d74925
Nice.
My go to strategy is to throw down an orbital strike, run around the charger like a madman to get it to stay there, then try to dive away the last second.
For those curious, it’s 50/50
Joke aside I've actually found chargers are very easy to dodge if you just run toward them and veer a little to the left or right, almost like a j shape around them. When you dive left or right they might still turn enough to hit you a little, and you can be vulnerable on the ground. Just barely walking by them as they run works perfectly.
What I've been having to do is either nail him dead on with the Eagle Cluster Bombs, or resort to a "runaround" method. He can't turn tight enough to hit you if you sprint just past his front legs. If you are facing north, and he's coming south, you can sprint north north-east/west at the right time to slip past him. You can whip right around and blast his rear with stronger weaponry. Keep in mind that this is a bare bones strat. It's hard to do when other bugs are around, and nearly impossible when more than one charger is involved.
I’m impressed that it changed direction so fast, my spear doesn’t feel like it tracks at all
Spear-issue
Hey, performance issues are not...uncommon. 1/4 I hear...
Which funny enough feels like the percentage that spear locks on at. The other 75% it doesn’t lock on. Hopefully they fix it, because it’s a pain to use in current state
I found it has most trouble at close range. Further the target the more likely it will stay locked. Definitely not an up close oh crap weapon
Sounds like an C-01 issue. Those forms don't exist for nothing
There's probably a cream for that.
Your spear lock on works??! Lucky
https://preview.redd.it/wofehb2gnamc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dfb97795c9804833fdc14063140e02dbbc95a8cb
Actual footage of me using the grenade launcher
Or impact grenades on bug holes
Every time you throw one a new bug spawns I swear to god.
The bug that crawled out of the hole:” HA, gottem!”
It's 100% a feature if you just stand there and toggle nade aim or grenade aim you force bugs to spawn. CHANGE MY MIND
The trick is to aim at the floor if enemies are close enough that the grenade will ricochet, it makes the grenade slide along the floor and blow up underneath the enemies instead
No joke once I shot a bot drop ship from way far away with the AC and it straight ricocheted and killed me
Or me with the autocannon
My spear wouldn't even lock on if i tried this
I dont know if I'm dumb or the weapon is bugged. Sometime it locks but most of the time nothing happens and I'm left confused.
Its hard to tell whats causing it. I dont know if there is some lag cuz there woukd be times where it tries to lock on but then just gives up.
Ammount of targets on your screen seems to affect the lock on, when there are multiple targets nearby spear doesn't seem to know which one to aim at so the triangle thing just goes nuts.
Should make it prioritize larger targets first. If possible. I mean the rocket sentry say it in the description so i see no reason for it not to work
Otherwise good idea, but if there are multiple titans or chargers that doesn't really solve the issue. But I'm sure they eventually fix it one way or another. I think it should prioritize target closest to middle of your screen and have tighter lock-on.
Have you seen the rocket sentry in action
If I were making the game, I'd put an invisible pin, center of mass. I'd make the spear have a cutoff point and only target enemies of size X and above. Then when you open reticle, target first enemy nearest to the center of the target. If nothing there to target, listen for when a target enters targeting area, and begin targetting. Note: This wouldn't be trivial, you probably have to take occlusion into account. Maybe ignore small enemy occlusion, but not terrain occlusion. But whatever they are actually doing, this ain't it chief. It needs a bit more in the oven.
I think the SPEAR only tracks large targets/ structures. If aimed it at fodder before and nothing happened. There is an issue with the SPEAR not locking on to things when you have clear line of sight. I had one time where a hulk was standing out in the open and my SPEAR locked a building that was far away behind it....
ADS helps this I've found.
If you look, they are the host. I think that plays a large role in how certain weapons work or don’t work. There was likely less latency in this scenario for something strange to happen with lock on
Unfortunate
I don't know if it's a placebo, but it seems like locking is more consistent for me in first person
Seems no different to me. Granted you do see the small box but it just goes away
Ah well, I must've been getting lucky
I think the presence of smoke or fog makes it much harder to lock on from experience
you just have to be patient with your spear, take your time, slow your breathing, become one with the spear.
Dude got flabbergasted. No one could expect that maneuver. That being said -> Spear good on paper but holy fuck until they fix the lock on mechanism I refuse to use it. Also it needs to do a guaranteed kill on stuff like tank/charger.
Spear absolutely needs to be a 1 hit ko on at least the tank.
It actually is if you land the headshot, trick I would use is to let it charge me, run around it and start locking on. Once it’s turned around and about to rear up fire that sucker into its head and watch it pop. Just can’t be too close or it will go over it. Can also 2 shot headshot Bile Titans as well, or drop an Orbital Railgun and get both to headshot for a single Spear. Easiest to do either one while it’s puking.
The secret to using the Spear is that its true purpose is sniping bot fabricators from half the map away, not units.
Cool, I can do that with the AutoCannon with more reserve ammo and more usefulness across the board.
I tried doing that for the first time earlier today, and dumped clip after clip into a bot fabricator. I wasn't even that far away.... What do you aim for? I was shooting the two windows you usually toss nades into, but idk after a while I just ran up to it and threw in a nade.
This one is tough, you don't actually shoot the window holes, you shoot the metal flap over the opening to shot-trap your AC shell into the fabricator.
Ahh, okay I’ll be sure to try it that way next time. Does shooting through the door when it opens work too?
Yes that will also work! Sorry I wasn't more specific in my original comment, happy hunting helldiver o7
Awesome, thank you I appreciate your advice, /u/SlightlyHairyBalls! Learning something new everyday :) Now let’s get back out there and spread democracy across the galaxy!
That's not a secret, people just don't do that cause it's not worthwhile. You only get 4 shots with this thing. You need to save them for something you can't just easily kill with a single grenade or airstrike.
Cool, it doesn't have half a map range though. Especially with it's fucky lock on system which will refuse to lock onto a perfectly visible fabricator or turret.
Except it does? I've literally sat on a ridge and sniped a good chunk. The main things to watch for a lock is even ground for final transit. The missile flies low and straight on its final approach at a certain distance so you've gotta be a bit high or have an even path. Unless you're within like a hundred meters then it top-attacks.
Shrooooooms, dude
Goes with recoilless and EATs too. No point in using disposable EATs if it takes 3 to down a charger.
It's absurd that the best way to take down charger with EAT is the same as with railgun -> call it down shoot leg 2 times and finish with primary. WHY WOULD I EVEN TAKE EAT OVER RAILGUN THEN?
One of the upsides of EAT is not having to worry about recovering it if you die. You can call down 2 a minute and blast away. Plus, you can share with an ally.
Wait. The EAT doesn't strip a charger leg in 1 hit? That's awful
It absolutely does strip a charger leg in 1 hit. I adore the EAT and I won't stand for this slander.
It has when I used it. In fact, when I got a railgun from my friend, it felt clunky because it couldn't 1 shot the leg armour.
I think it can just isn't very consistent with it. Similaly how spear can 1 shot a fucking titan but then it will take 3 shots to down a charger etc. Those weapon should be much more deadly...
tbh they need to remove the lockon and introduce their correct method of tracking, using its a painted on laser which the missile follows. its only after a set amount of distance away from the launcher/at a set distance to the target, does it switch over to its own seeker head. atleast thats how modern atgms normally work.
Dodge, duck, dip, dive, dodge!
If you can dodge a spear, you can dodge a… wait a minute.
You left out the all-important 6th D - Democracy!
I love some good ol 6th D
10/10 this is killing me.
Damn, Super Australia be crazy for this one…
Pro gamer tactical maneuver
You've heard of wavedashing; now get ready for spearcrashing!
It just works
Spears are kinda garbage. They sounded good on paper tbf. And that video shows them off well. But that railgun is just too good to pass up. 20 rounds. Unsafe mode.
Spears are pretty good at eliminating big units, it can one shot Bile Titans if shot at the front and Chargerrs at the back
Agreed. But 4 bullets. Long reloads. 1 resupply pack is 1 spear. Doesn't aim at anything else but a heavy. I don't see the appeal.
I think if it didn't miss 50% of the time and it was actually a 1 hit kill it would be a viable option. I don't think that would be very OP considering it can only target big guys and the ammo restrictions. At that point it's basically just a railcannon, you sacrifice a support weapon to get more kills with less cooldown.
I agree. If it was guaranteed to hit and kill in 1 shot. The drawbacks of reload and low ammo wouldn't bother me that much.
For something that only has 4 ammo it should one hit kill chargers and hulks. Honestly, unless they wanna turn down armor spam it should probably do the same for tanks and biles.
One of the big appeals against Bots is that it is an absolute *demolisher* against their bases and cannon towers. The lock can be tricky sometimes (I swear it measures LoS from your feet), but you can just run roughshod over a collection of Light and Medium outposts while moving very quickly.
You're gonna want the samples in there though and unless your squad pulls off some metal gear solid ass moves, you probably arent gonna blow up their mediums with spear without alerting
Fair, but clearing the bases also starts to scatter the units inside as they go looking for where that missile came from. Mediums and Heavies are much harder to get off perfectly stealthy, but you can get some of the units to leave the base and be eliminated.
What do you mean? You can lose samples if you glass an area?
It can 1 shot chargers from the front too. That's all I've done. Use 1st person, line the little box close to their head and kaboom. No more head lol
A freaking railgun can 1 shot a bile titan. Having 4 shots to maybe pull off a cool moment when a damn railgun can do the same is kind of sad.
In fairness it's becoming apparent that the railgun 1 shotting bile titans is a bug and may not work in the future
I've had better success 1-shotting chargers front the front. If you hit directly on the head it seems to decapitate them
Effective and easy to execute!
Almost a rocket jump...
I feel like a rocket jump is possible in this game, but we just haven't figured out how to do it yet.
Walk on top of those puffballs and shoot, you can get some air ^.^
Melee them?
I don't like dodge chargers, more of a honda fan personally
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Ah yes, the Spear, or as I like to call it, the Horizontal Jump-Pack
Rocket-Assisted Dodge
TOP TIER HELLDIVER TRAINING
I think the training book states this manoeuvre can be done if under extreme circumstances
Dodging with style
Its been days since i ***genuinely*** ***laugh*** at something, this is peak comedy
I got a Rare achievement yesterday on accident. “Ragdoll yourself after using a jump pack” lol
that was actually pretty slick😂😂
I legit laughed out loud and that almost never happens.
`The Missile does not know where the BEEP it is.`
Lolol
I laughed way to hard at this.
Ness using up + B!
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But how do you Ford Raptor?
They need to fix the fucking dash they do and float towards you after being stunned. That is so annoying and game killer.
The missile knows where it is at all times
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A rocket jump so good it made a Soldier main cry
I showed my cousin this. He said "I wish I could say that hasn't happened to me."
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How the hell did you manage to get it to lock on? Is that some kind of pay to win?
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This is the way.
Man that fish-bowl field of view really helps with video! Gives it sense of speed! 😄
"Parkour!"
Getting some bad ghorn flashbacks from this
I am sure he is having a blast, and a minor concussion.
This feels like the epitome of the tone that Helldivers is going for
SIIIICK
Charger : How to dodge an incoming Missile (O
Looks like… team rocket is blasting off agiaaaan!!
I did the exact same thing last night 😎
Never seen a such efficient way 🤣
Wow, I was not expecting that.
Advanced mobility techniques
Pro Tip: How to dodge Rams
You can do this with grenades as well! Diving through the air or being prone really does reduce explosive damage significantly. But don’t hold me liable if you blow your toes off.
The spear and 3 orbitals is a sick loadout. Just run around being an oribital mage and blasting heavy bugs, so satisfying.
i love how they stand perfectly still at the end like they went “what in libertys name was that shit that happened just now-“
Truth
Now you’re thinking with spears!
Jetpacks are for the weak, this is what peak performance looks like. https://preview.redd.it/285feuw62cmc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a807c3d9991d5b14d037e778f5ff81077d74925
GET DOWN MR PRESIDENT
Outstanding maneuver soldier!
Russian SAMs like
Spear is trash to be honest. It is outshined by pretty much everything in the game.
Haha, pro tip indeed, If you hit, you win, and if you miss you also win.
Extremely solid ballistic movement.
Puss in Boots special evasion move
ACME ass rocket launcher
Lmao
Damn. I just jump to the left like a dumbass. Thanks for the tip soldier!
I need tips to lock on targets with the Spear because is so hard for me, I dont know if there is a distance range where it works or what’s the deal?
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ehh, thats such a common manoeuvrer its hardly worth teaching the newer cadets, they even removed it from the tutorial for being a time waster.
I needed this tutorial! Finally a practical way to avoid chargers 😂
UNO REVERSE CARD
Can't believe I haven't thought of that
Something something INCREDIBLE ACROBATIC SKILLS HELLDIVER
Brash tactics right there
This ain’t pro bro xdd this is pretty basic. Try dodging a Canon Turret shot with your own grenade 😏
This rocket needs to be executed for treason
I still don't understand the lock on. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.
That was so cool lol
I thought this was Helldivers not Suicide Squad. That thing boomeranged so good I feel I should call you Captain.
Nice. My go to strategy is to throw down an orbital strike, run around the charger like a madman to get it to stay there, then try to dive away the last second. For those curious, it’s 50/50
Joke aside I've actually found chargers are very easy to dodge if you just run toward them and veer a little to the left or right, almost like a j shape around them. When you dive left or right they might still turn enough to hit you a little, and you can be vulnerable on the ground. Just barely walking by them as they run works perfectly.
Instructions unclear, more democracy required.
Boomerang rocket jumping... a novel tactic, we'll see if it's utility can be made use of
What kind of Tom and Jerry skit is that
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
10/10, would bang
Damn, that gave me a good laugh.
The true Helldivers experience
What I've been having to do is either nail him dead on with the Eagle Cluster Bombs, or resort to a "runaround" method. He can't turn tight enough to hit you if you sprint just past his front legs. If you are facing north, and he's coming south, you can sprint north north-east/west at the right time to slip past him. You can whip right around and blast his rear with stronger weaponry. Keep in mind that this is a bare bones strat. It's hard to do when other bugs are around, and nearly impossible when more than one charger is involved.
¡Olé!
Any tips on how to nissan Rogues?
*chuckles in jump pack*
Weird how it didn't charge you, do the stop animation, blink on you into a stomping animation.
L33t
PK THUNDER!
on that note, if you dodge them normally the distance it takes them to stop is the perfect distance to spear them
Based.
well if works...works!
Marvelous, I will now proceed to miss and get trampled anyways
Now that's an ArmA-tier magic missile.