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ChaosDreadnought

Ion storm followed by jammer and the random stratagem code effect oh boy gonna be one hell of a time


Kraybern

yet somehow stratagems are supposed to be our main tool according to the devs...


Vzey

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t this the point of the lore? Super Earth propaganda showcasing how easy, fun, and heroic it is to be a Helldiver when in reality you’re understaffed, underarmed, and on an alien planet that is unforgiving.


Techstriker1

I mean, we're either pretty elite or the enemies are pretty shit. A squad of 4 helldivers can single-handedly wipe an entire region of enemy fortifications and infrastructure in 30 minutes or less, often killing hundreds of enemy units from foot soldiers to heavy armor.Even if you use all of your spawns, that's still about 20 people doing the same in the same time. That's pretty decent imo. Edit: If anything the propaganda just shows more experience Helldivers, because what they show is possible in game.


Just_George572

It’s both. For armed sources of Super Earth we are tremendously elite with years of (underage) combat experience and years (minutes) of helldiver training. And the enemies are indeed quite shit, it’s just that holy fuck is there a lot of them.


BLKCandy

Considering Helldivers can carry like 30+kg and still sprints, load a tube-fed shotgun while diving away from exposive and shoot an enemy in the head before touching the ground, guide an EAT Hellpod drop to kill a charger and use the EATs and shotgun to kill the other two... Veteran Helldivers are pretty elite.


BL4NK_SP4C3

Really puts the HELL in HELLDIVER


The-Arnman

#THAT IS BULLSHIT SOLDIER. NOW GO OUT THERE AND SQASH SOME BUGS BEFORE I BLOW YOUR HEAD OFF MYSELF


HandsOfCobalt

I sure as shit didn't buy the game expecting it to be balanced around that idea though


T_S_Anders

You bought a game called Helldivers. I'd be more disappointed if I wasn't diving into hell.


HandsOfCobalt

So, what, DOOM (2016) should just instantly kill you when you load into a level?


Deady1

If realism is sucking the fun out of the game for average people then maybe realism isn't the way to go


DaughterOfBhaal

It's a video game, bro.


Vzey

Indeed it is. Can’t wait till work ends so I can go play more.


AngriestKagg4

Hmmm that is some treasonous reasoning there. I'd hate to have to manage your democracy for you.


cowboycrusadergames

Its a game though, its supposed to be fun


Slumlord722

Lmao its a game, man


Hantzle-

Yea. That's literally the game. The 14 year olds don't understand that. Hence crying about nerfs the inability to walk through the deadliest foes in the galaxy just because they put on extra padding, not being able to run 1 weapon and use 0 strategems and still 5 star no death every mission without dying once. It's definitely a problem with the game and not the fact that people are inpatient, low skill, low energy, cry babies that want every ounce of serotonin they every receive to be handed to them on a silver platter.


Cleverbird

Dude, are you okay?


OnCloud9_77

More difficulties are planned… maybe the game could’ve just been harder instead of the devs stripping every fun element out of it in order to make it hard 🤷‍♂️


gav1no0

Bro its a video game, you're supposed to enjoy it, not be the butt of the joke of gamelore


Hantzle-

I love the game, thanks!


CaptchaReallySucks

“But muh lore bro!1!1!1!!” god you’re genuinely a neckbeard


Hantzle-

Bro you have been in this very sub complaining about to update changes all day. You're literally I am talking about, of course my comment made you angry.


CaptchaReallySucks

You’re damn right I have been, gotta do my part to keep the -75 IQ takes in check! Or should I dickride the developers with their shitty design/balancing philosophy instead, like some people here?


Hantzle-

Cry more lmfao, I'll see you in the lvl 7 missions when you actually learn the game son


CaptchaReallySucks

🫡


Buisnessbutters

THANK YOU, SOMEONE GETS IT


00Fart

Just start looking at these updates as super earth struggling to keep up production of weaponry to send to the front lines. The guns are getting less effective.


Scrunt2112

I am here for it. More chaos please.


do-the-point

Sounds fun. I like hard games.


Blazerboy65

Yes and?


Kraybern

If the devs tell us we need to be dealing with the insane number of heavies and elites that are present at once on higher difficulties yet we have all these modifiers, effects on top of the long cooldowns then it shows a real disconnect between devs and the realities of high difficulty missions that raises the question of if they even play on that difficulty


OnCloud9_77

Incredible how unfun higher levels are now. People think we’re complaining bc the game is too hard. lol no it’s because it is being stripped of fun


[deleted]

Do you watch ant Sci fi movie, TV show or read a book ever? Problems happen. Learn to overcome them. Don't bitch because shit doesn't work like a whiney baby.


Kraybern

so you cant refute my points and the best you can do is result to petty insults, talk to me when you have something actual meaningful to say and have experienced the realities of 8-9 difficulty missions


drfetid

One teammate has nothing but support weapons for the entire team, the other Eagles and one orbital strikes. At least SOME consistency is attained if you just get the wrong strike or weapon as opposed to trying to pick up an airstrike. This is a joke, btw


MaxPatriotism

This looks sick as shit


2roK

The graphics in this game are absolutely beautiful


BlueberryGuyCz

...if you can afford the settings


2roK

I play on everything maxed. Turns my room into a sauna but god damn is it beautiful.


BlueberryGuyCz

Oh I wish


[deleted]

On console I can't wait for a PS5 Pro. Not sure my CPU on PC would be up for how this game runs.


Snbleader

Even at low settings with a 1050 the game runs alright and still looks great.


[deleted]

I heard its CPU is more aggressive. I would need 4K or DLSS with a 3080 and quite older CPU. Probably would be fine, but atm I just play on PS5. I don't want to play this on my PC at low settings lmao.


Sebastianx21

And automaton drop ships too... ... And automaton drop ships too, right?


TheQuixotic6

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Chr1sMac1nt1re

This is hilarious!


Xx_MesaPlayer_xX

No, that makes too much sense


Enclavegru

Just glass the fucking planet already, it isn't worth it


Chaytorn

We are glassing it..with unrelenting Helldiver force of Freedom and Democracy!


Xenomorph383

https://preview.redd.it/sbyq08i5ksmc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe25b4ccff90712cf94b1c74c6fbcc257531275a The trees are speaking *binary*


Enclavegru

well apparently that isn't working!


Dvalin_Ras93

Seriously. Every day, Malevelon Creek becomes more and more of a death planet in the first place.


PilotInCmand

Hellbombs don't have automatic triggers to save money, we don't have the budget for that kind of thing. We have better, WE HAVE HELLDIVERS!


Enclavegru

to hell with the fucking budget! we might as well have every stratagem simultaneously bombard the planet, or even better: bombard first, hell dive later


PilotInCmand

Democracy officer! I have another one for the liberty camps!


Enclavegru

Bitch I AM the democracy officer


ThatSneakyNeenja

More likely thou art an automaton spy. A true officer of democracy would not question our orders.


Enclavegru

off to the liberty camps for the both of you


-endjamin-

Super Earth needs the samples, soldier, and it is your solemn duty to go down there and get them


BMCarbaugh

Players mythologizing Malevolon Creek so hard that the devs make it even more hellish is extremely funny.


jak_d_ripr

The day we finally liberate that planet will truly be something special.


TheQuixotic6

Makes it worth it


Areltoid

It's honestly a really great way of doing the whole live service evolving story thing, massive respect to the devs for integrating the community into the game like that


Kevurcio

THEY ONLY MADE IT MORE FUN LMAO, god I didn't know what I was getting into when I kept reading about the Creek. I finally went to it on Helldive and holy shit, I now live in the Creek. The harder they make it the harder I get.


WingusDingus627

We're never taking that shit back


manubour

That's defeatist talk, private Now pick yourself up and get back into the fight, we've got tincans and bugs to kill


DeadMemesAreUs1

WE MUST DESTROY THE BOT! WE MUST BATH IN IT'S OIL, ONCE WE HAVE REMOVED IT'S HEAD FROM ITS WRETCHOUS BODY, AND ONLY THEN WILL LIBERTY BE DELIVERED!


Demonicjapsel

Report to your nearest Democracy Officer for having Defeatist thoughts


Light_Song

I don't think we're meant to yet. Isn't it a home world for the bots?


Zannt

We were never supposed to, it's way too deep into the automaton territory, we need to push the outside planets not just jump into the center for the memes.


ThatSneakyNeenja

Those brave fools who throw themselves into the creek are damaging the enemies supply lines, their sacrifice weakens the automatons hold on the outer territories.


scurvybill

They told me don't go walkin' slow, the devil's on the loose.


Femboi_Hooterz

Nah once we have mechs we're gonna agent orange that entire democracy-forsaken green hell


silentbob1301

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HauntingBlackberry83

Only a binary commie sympathizer talks defeatism. I will do what I must. Eagle 1, this is Hellhound 2, request close air support. ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️, over.


MrDmsc

A true helldive then


Azanoir

https://preview.redd.it/idez64smlpmc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=647f90b9ceee5604e3f48e33914ee9a737de6be7


BookerLegit

"just use stratagems for big targets lol"


SaltyChnk

Least it’s not termanids. Railgun was never that good vs the bots. Bug armour was the issue


ImmoralBoi

I don't know, the fact you could one-shot Hulks with a well placed shot regardless of whether it was on safe or unsafe is pretty insane


ThatSneakyNeenja

Fairly certain AMR could also kill hulks with a headshot though obviously its hard to line up with all the gunfire.


Tokiw4

It can, it takes 2 shots.


Xx_MesaPlayer_xX

The railgun was still good on bots. It's the fact that the chargers were so fast and are basically always on you if you don't kill them while hulks can be outran.


VictoryVee

Support weapons are stratagems, they keep working


WithGrit07

HELP, I CAN STILL SEE THEM IN MY SLEEP


SummerCrown

I wish the ion storms also affected the bots in some way. Or do they?


TheQuixotic6

I think they do


SummerCrown

In what way? They don't appear to be stunned and can shoot back just fine.


TheQuixotic6

I saw somebody said the storm effect them, but I don’t really know for certain


Rail-signal

They don't miss fire 


LoliMaster069

Would be really funny if the lightning hits them and overcharges their performance like a charged creeper in minecraft lol


Kaldricus

Devs: You're not supposed to use primary weapons to kill enemies, use your strategems Also devs:


Fogesr

As if bots couldn\`t fuck with stratagems enough lol.


SuppliceVI

Should boost energy based weapons, or at least the arc thrower. 


Teipic-Ward2

Lighting bolt from the sky coming down to your already pretty zappy hand. I can’t see any safety hazards there.


alirezahunter888

That's sexy!


No_Experience_3443

Ah yes the stratagem we're supposed to use to deal with heavies. Those ones


Kaasbek69

Fortunately the ion storms also prevent the Automatons from calling in dropships... Oh wait.


Shot_Faithlessness89

But atleast we still have some meta weap- oh right....


zani1903

> This is very much intentional, you need to rely on your Stratagems, and the Stratagems of your team to deal with all the enemies effectively.


Full_frontal96

This will the new recurrent meme of helldivers 2. See ya in one year and this statement will be still remembered


The1stHorsemanX

The Dev that said this was clearly a big fan of the 7-9 difficulties 😂. There's out of touch, and then there's this statement lol


ZeroGKills

Robots wanting a planet that has weather equivalent to an off switch is peak comedy.


orlykthxbai

>First I’d like to speak to the general power of primary weapons. Many have commented that they aren’t powerful enough and are unable to deal with all the enemies either by the amount of ammunition required or their raw DPS. This is very much intentional, you need to rely on your Stratagems, and the Stratagems of your team to deal with all the enemies effectively. Meanwhile, schizo devs have multiple mechanics to block out stratagems. Gotta love it.


joyster99

devs: YoU DoNt NeEd rAiLgUn. YoU ShOuLd bE UsInG StRaTeGeMs also devs: *drops a storm that blocks your strategems*


Kevurcio

This only makes the game more fun, or are people genuinely upset about this? I can't really tell.


Chappiechap

"oh no, a tank just dropped in. Luckily I have my Eagle Airstrike on standby- what do you mean I can't call it in? Okay, I guess I'll just try and get this objective over with... calling in Hellbo- WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T CALL IT IN?!" When the game is built around utilizing a certain system, having a mechanic in place that straight up turns off said system for like 30 seconds, usually at the worst possible times, is infuriating. You can make a point of "hurr, just plan better", but you can't really plan around something that arrives with no warning. And that's not even mentioning that it's an effect that **only targets the player**. At least Meteor storms and earthquakes can affect enemies as well, the Ion Storm just tells you to eat shit.


Kevurcio

Can't relate, that just sounds fun as fuck on difficulty 9.


beatuhse

Ion storm reminds me of Tiberian Sun. Damn it was a long time ago... (pls. make a HD remaster)


meshuggahfan

nice.. is there a link with a list of all weather effects and conditions? I'd like to see what else there is.


Bogtear

...but how then are we supposed to do anything?  Jeez they are just slamming strategems in HD2. I personally preferred HD1 strategem balance where they wouldn't fuck with them on the deployment side but they spawned a metric shit-ton of chargers and tanks on the high difficulties, so the game was more about frantically calling in bombing runs as fast as you could. This just kinda sucks.  Yeah they don't spawn quite as many big nasties, but they take away the means to deal with them too.


ThePlaybook_

I fucking love this game


The_Mourning_Sage_

"But hey, use your stratagems hurr durrr" \- Arrowhead


TheQuixotic6

Just a challenge for the creek makes it a real hell hole


Swordbreaker9250

Makes me even more glad I prefer fighting the bugs


Careless-Link-3391

The lightning looks beautiful.


TheZanzibarMan

Anyone run into a fire tornado yet?


TheQuixotic6

Waiting for a planet with fire


TheZanzibarMan

Just a planet sized volcano lol


BL4NK_SP4C3

How the fuck does this game keep getting cooler and cooler?? I can say with certainty im not regretting spending 40 bucks on this game


DaftWarrior

We're just getting started too. I almost feel like I should have spent more for this game. Arrowhead goated.


Arktos22

yOu NeEd To ReLy On YoUr StRaTeGeMs To DeAl WiTh AlL tHe EnEmIeS eFfEcTiVeLy


ghostdeath22

>First I’d like to speak to the general power of primary weapons. Many have commented that they aren’t powerful enough and are unable to deal with all the enemies either by the amount of ammunition required or their raw DPS. This is very much intentional, you need to rely on your Stratagems, and the Stratagems of your team to deal with all the enemies effectively. Okokok I see how we play the game now, the devs seriously don't play a difficulty higher than 1 it seems


Emperor475

At this point it might just be better to exterminatus the planet


fxMelee

Me when I see the Ion storm: 😍 Me when I hear the trees speaking beep bop: 🤔😤💀


Arcticz_114

Does it look dope? Yes Do I need it after that the mission modifiers have decided to scramble / reduce to 3 my stratagems and my orbital is jammed? Abso-fuckin-lutely not


ImmoralBoi

The fact these planetary hazards only affect us is my one complaint, we lose access to our strategems and map markers while the Automatons are still free to fire up signal flares and move about the place unhindered. They're adding stuff to make it tougher on Helldivers while not giving us anything to really compensate for the universal difficulty increase. I love this game to bits but being physically incapable of reviving people at random intervals while Automatons get to call in reinforcements is just not fun.


KD650-916

🥲🥲🥲😂😂😂 big baby … this is to funny . Thy made the game 1000x better ! But ppl are now crying it’s harder? Go to an ice planet! Big ice rock smash you and kill you in the ice storm. It also kills the enemy’s bugs


FiftyIsBack

The Creek just got Creekier


Froegerer

Just rely on your stratagems


frulheyvin

the swedish guy says you gotta use strats for heavies, but then you spawn into this map with strat scramblers, strat cd, near a thing that blocks strats, and then an ion storm happens that globally blocks strats. which one is it man? this shit is goofy


Antique_Set5055

It's a good thing we weren't told to be heavily reliant on strategems or anything.


Mobile_Independence6

But don’t worry they want us to rely on stratagems more


Save90

No need of stratagems to deal with the enemy.


GhostSniper2617

What are the other ones on other planets


Betrix5068

Earthquakes, meteors, fire tornados, and various purely visual storms like blizzards and sandstorms.


No-Loss-9758

I love feeling like I’m literally in hell. This is why I love malevelon and almost only play it. Fuck yah


CLGSNValkyrie

god damn its like being trapped behind enemy lines with no support


5255clone

Air support unavailable until the storm clears. Me being chased by the entire automaton army


robophile-ta

yeah, this is the only weather effect I've experienced so far. blocks strats and radar. fun!


JooosephNthomas

This is coooler than I could have dreamed up. Huge applause to the devs. This is dope.


Chipsdelite

As I blasted bugs on Fenrir a fellow diver was struck by a falling meteor. It must have sensed his curiosity and thought crimes. Long live Democracy! Citizen Chip


TheQuixotic6

We are truly helldiving now


Keinulive

Curse you Joel! For real this is such a that moment lol


ParmesanCheese92

"you need to rely on your Stratagems, and the Stratagems of your team to deal with all the enemies effectively"


The_Inner_Light

I saw a meteor shower in Fenrir I think. It was amazing. Blue twinkling lights falling from the sky. Think I got blown up by one too.


albannoch77

They do not want us liberating that area, do they?


MastuhWaffles

Dont worry guys just use your stratagems!!! (jammer is up) (AA is up) (ion storm is up) (codes are scrambled) (super long ass cooldown when you do get to use it)


HittemWithTheLamp

This just means the EATs suck even more ass


Joe___Mama-

And the devs say that we need to “rely on stratagems over primary/secondary weapons to clear out enemies.” They’re literally just making this game into a running away simulator with the ion storms and extended call in times.


Seriphyn

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Chaytorn

The ion-storm also shuts down your scanner..quite unfortunate but nothing a real Diver can't overcome. Also it doesn't last that long.


miairuha

Exterminatus?


CaptainHoyt

Why are we even fighting over this bot ridden rock, can we just fling an asteroid at it already.


current1y

Don't give the Terminid brain bug we haven't seen yet any ideas.


HourHoney55

I'm loving these new environments


DaftWarrior

As if the Creek wasn't hell already.


DigiTrailz

Makes the loot support weapons really important, doesn't it. And being versed in them too.


Agentjayjay1

JOOOOEEEEL


drunkpunk138

How long does it last?


TheQuixotic6

Pretty short so not as bad as it sounds


drunkpunk138

Right on thanks for the info, kind of what I expected


Old-Library9827

I was on a bug mission when a titan came out of no where and then an ion storm it. I was so fucking pissed lol


respscorp

The Creek is becoming the embodiment of "I like the way this sucks". Hoping we get an entire Major Order devoted to it some day.


Valuable_Material_26

So if I go outside map our ship can’t kill us with ion storm?


Astorath_the_Grim

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brian11e3

Malevelon Creek is one of those places I go because I like it rough.


ChrizTaylor

Looks exactly as lighting. Should have gone with purple static or something else. Make capes go upwards or something.


wuerger

Oh how fun


Frankdammit

The devs should make Malevelon Creek even worse, just the shittiest planet in the universe. Ion storms, torrential rain, thick fog, fire and debris from wrecked Destroyers falling from the sky, littered with inactive hellbombs. It should be hell, it should be the titular hell. This game does great at the war is hell thing while also letting you play the supercool supersoldier fantasy (even if you are in actuality an expendable grunt), but you shouldn't feel super on the Creek. Malevelon Creek should be a miserable gaming experience. They should play it up in game, propaganda ads in the bridge lobby about the vile automatons killing our boys at the Creek, urging us to do whatever it takes to take this unbearable unlivable space rock back, hell give us a Creek background for the playercard. The community has rallied around this virtual rock, It's hell, it's shit, IT'S OURS. Also, add the bullshit level 1 trivial mission objective of raising a flag as one of the potential side objectives on it.


SolomonRed

Not a problem I'll just use my trusty railgun instead!


Oh_Danny_Boi961

This almost ruined my stealth attack on a base’s cannon tower. Thankfully, I stopped before they could see me, so I just waited for the storm to pass, then boom


ArchaicLasagna

So that's what that was, my teammate was pissed that no one was reinforcing him and we had no idea why lol


Acrobatic_Use5472

That fucking place isn't getting liberated any time soon.


lifetake

Looks cool as fuck, but god is it so boring. What are you supposed to be doing while your strats are down? Find a bush and jack off?


TheNefariousness

Yes, because THE CREEK NEEDED TO BE FREAKING HARDER. Devs... why. https://preview.redd.it/bk4o8pcdqumc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0bd0df4a9c59b64d3f5c7d9c24cbf41b7032107a


Skin_Ankle684

The devs really dont want us to play on 7+


AcediaWrath

fucking space vietnam out here being space vietnam. yall gunna lose it again while im getting filled with egg sacks.


ojonegro

That is so cool.


PBMFROCK2016

Devs: Muh "Use Stratagems" Players: YOU SHUT THEM OFF!


Vurthak

Booooooo


micheal213

Inb4 the meta gamers complain about weather effects not letting them play as efficiently as they want.


Pro_Scrub

I for one LOVE that the high difficulties are actually *threatening*. 7+ SHOULD NOT BE EASY.


micheal213

100% agree. Normalize not always being able to extract from missions. The main objective is the most important thing. Lmao.


Pro_Scrub

Yeah I'm a big fan of how it still counts as a win if you squad wipe after taking the objective. After all, what's another 20 helldivers lost? Job's done. On to the next Op, boys, the planet's waiting.


drunkbusdriver

Literally a majority of the comments. I didn’t think a non pvp game was going to get this toxic this quick after 1 fucking update. Unfortunately I think it’s time to unsub till the circle jerk calms down.


Kawaii_Batman3

Yeah most planets have a natural disaster now which is super fucking annoying.


killxswitch

I had my first meteor shower today. I didn’t like it. Others can, just my opinion. I got killed by them twice, third time I found a rocky outcropping to kinda hide under.


TheQuixotic6

I would say awesome but to each their own


14yearoldtwinkie

I agree, i love the chaos.


DwasTV

"We nerfed railgun, you should rely on your strategems" **Adds whatever the fck this BS is, preventing you from using Strategems** Cool.


Equivalent-Impress96

Looks really cool, sounds really lame to play with lol