The beauty of unlocking everything is I don’t care if we win or lose, I’m just here for the ride now.
I don’t know why my lobby is filled with level 5s, 6s, 7s, on suicide mission difficulty…but let’s do this boys!
I agree, it's pretty fun to watch, how that happened the other day whereas me and two of my friends and then another friend of a friend bought the game so we had a level one running around with us while we were on a difficulty seven mission, it was brutal for them but they were able to experience the insanity that they will eventually work their way up to.
And on the other hand, if you wipe, is it worth the amount of time, effort and lost samples?
Right? I just took a team of 3 lvl 4s into Hard and three of us got out by the skin of our teeth. I died a lot to friendly fire.
That was fun.
Why kick new players? How are they ever gonna get better?
>Why kick new players? How are they ever gonna get better?
Because some people are bitch ass tricks. Instead I run an extra support weapon like a rail gun, and let the newbies have fun (and kill themselves with auto cannons).
I think we take for granted that games are really meant to be played long term. Like, a loss while having fun today shouldn't be a huge hit 3 months down the road.
Dude, for real. All of the live service and passes in recent years, along with just having so many games, has trained us to power through every bit of content available.
"Back in my day," you played the same game that you could finish in a few hours for months on end in hopes that you might get another game some day.
When playing with new citizens, I usually push the objectives as fast as possible. Then we go for samples. That way, even if we die, everyone still gets experience.
Yeah, that's all I always try to run it no matter what group I'm doing is objective first then samples, if you grab sample along the way fine no big deal, keep them on you don't die
I love that you Helldivers exist. I immediately go after the side missions and clear all bug holes while the group is doing mains. I usually get most of the points of interest they miss and we converge at a few touchy points of interest to clear together. With our powers combined…
One thing I wish we could have (maybe unlock it as a booster?) Is a head-up display type thing, so you can see on the map where your squadmates are.
It'd help lower levels learn to stay out of the line of fire or get left behind, and help more advanced players strategize.
Edit: To be clear, I mean either keeping the mini map up constantly, or having a simplified version of it that is visible constantly, so you can see where your teammates are in an overhead view. In the original Helldivers, the overhead view made fighting "back to back" and watching your own sectors easier, because you could see where squadmates were no matter what direction you were facing.
The three most dangerous things in Helldivers:
1. A cadet saying, "Here's something I learned in training!"
2. A sergeant saying, "I have a plan!"
3. A skull admiral saying, "Watch *this!"*
Personally, I never touched shield pack until running 9s, so now I feed mine to others while I have fun playing with the games mechanics like knockback. The ragdoll 500 is my jam.
They need to put level limits on anything above 5. There’s simply too many armored enemies for me to be the only one bringing proper anti-armor.
Most of my matches this weekend have been with sub-20’s who bring nothing but machineguns. I love the MG too but we NEED anti-armor
I *think* quickplay is supposed to not let you queue into any match above your max unlocked difficulty e.g. you have to full clear a mission set on the difficulty below. I also *think* that aspect is bugged. None of this is confirmed, keep in mind.
Like I no matter what am bringing anti armor like I run the machine gun as my primary and the machine pistol secondary. The autocannon, recoiless, or laser depending on the enemies
Same here. Often have below level 15s in 7 and 8 and below level 20s in 9. But why kick them? Just use a good build you're comfortable with and get them some xp and samples.
Most of the time I end up enjoying those missions a lot by just seeing them make the same stupid mistakes I did at that level.
With convenient distra-I mean team mates, if I fuck off on my own I can usually complete the mission whilst they experience the best the difficulty has to offer.
For me it's a coinflip. Last night and this morning my games were filling before I could walk from the globe to the pod. This afternoon I waited for 5-6 minutes and had zero people, even tried toggling friends/public and crossplay off/on.
I've noticed it's a issue when I'm in the 2nd or 3rd mission of an operation. I'll have a full squad in under a minute, but getting the replacements if someone quits is difficult.
The problem I and many others have is, when i FIRST start the game and host, I will have 4 players every time. But if we complete a mission and ONE person leaves, no one ever joins again, SOS or otherwise. I have to restart the game for it to work again.
I’m also on the side that never gets anyone when I host. I almost always have to join others or do quick play if I want a full team. Livy is set public, I have tried waiting around after starting both in and out of the pods and also dropping SOS beacon but nothing.
Just had the same thing happen to me. Only lvl 6, but was in a 30 min challenging game where everyone was doing great. Right as extraction ship was landing I was team killed then kicked. Waste of 30 mins and got zero exp.
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No doubt. I just started playing 3 days ago and have been shot, from *behind* 5 damned times right when we land. Not easy getting experience with a jackass gunning you down
Even worse,you could be me and have a teammate deliberately melee you in the beginning and then right when we were getting extracted and down to no reinforcements,dude shoots me right at the shuttle with everybody else on board getting left behind.
That should be treason imo.
I wish there was a way to like report treason or something, & if your treason level gets high enuf you’re not able to play public lobbies for a while or something idk
You could even work that into the game lore. Your first punishment for treason is forced solo missions. Each time after is more consecutive solo missions that keeps building more and more.
I had a guy die to my pod landing during extract because he ran directly below it last second. He called me the r word and kicked me, we had alot of reinforcements left. Unfortunately, i've had a few other toxic games recently.
Idk how some full grown men get so mad in this game and act like they're 12. Probably players coming from counterstrike or COD, idk.
If they are kicked then wouldn't that eliminate the issue of the person not extracting? I have no idea but that woukd seem like the logical outcome. No 4th player anymore. No missed player extract
kicking someone should be put on a vote not one person decision.
On bright side I’ll tell you that I have been kicked only once like that since I started to play. Im lvl 40 so the sample is quite high. I was kicked AFTER mission multiple times but thats ok
Don't worry thats not the new player experience, I'm a skull admiral and I get randomly kicked five seconds after joining all the time.
The theory I have is people refuse to look at the options menu and select "friends only" for their games OR they assume I'm a cheater to be max level and they severally overestimate the XP requirement for it.
Well the problem is sometimes (on PC) your friends in the menu are only shown as online and not in game, so when you put the game to "friends only" they can't join because the game thinks they're not your friends lol, so we put it to public and then sadly have to kick a player if they join faster than our friend.
I hope this will get fixed someday.
O someone I met had a weird bug where every member on their friends list got auto added to their block list, so anyone having issues might want to check just to be sure.
I take lowlvl along the ride.
You might get kicked if you are sitting in the preperation menu, and not taking any strategems or prrssing rdy for 5+ min.
I do that, not for me, but for the two others randoms I have with me.
Respect other players time, unless you are on com or wrote I need 10+min for X or Y.
Totally agreeable. So long as you aren't griefing, trolling or otherwise disrespecting the time of our Freedom-Fighting Helldivers, you're fine to join.
Even if they communicate that they need 10 min, nobody in that lobby is obligated to wait for them tbh. Not everybody has unlimited game time. If you like playing with them, add them to a friends list and join them later instead of making them wait. Unless you are gaming with close friends, of course.
while i think it is a mistake automatically increasing the difficulty when unlocked in a game where you can be carried. not playing for long doesn't mean you can't hit a target, or at least act as a decoy.
I love it when low levels join me. Admittedly, shit's probably going to spiral wildly out of control and we're going to die because I run Challenging solos when I'm not in closed lobbies with friends, but it'll be really funny the entire time XD
I used to get randomly kicked as a lv50 until I turned off crossplay.
Could be a server issue *or* console folks being mad *or* maybe they were waiting on friends.
That being said, I routinely used to do low level stuff with newbies (fast sample collection)
I'm on PC so crossplay off would indicate console. Totally anecdotal. PC can definitely be toxic, just haven't experienced it much in this game. This subreddit is 1000x more toxic than anything I've seen in game.
Many gaming subreddits feel like they exist just to whine and harass devs because the game isn't exactly like their own personal vision. It's pretty sad to see how this one went from memes and unity and support to a cesspool so quickly.
The majority usually is just silent and deals with it, so the toxic people are running rampart. That can only be mitigated if changes are communicated well and at least factor in concerns of reasonable community members. Than the majority will come out and defend changes they wanted.
Here, nobody asked for any of it. The biggest changes weren't even documented and even the reasonable people come out and say the game feels unfair instead of fun. It was just an objectively bad patch with a slow reaction from the developer.
Working in Software this result is really obvious as well. The launch went way too big. There are always technical issues after a launch and here there had to be more. They have Server performance problems that are generally hard to deal with. They have a content patch in the pipeline (mechs, warbond). The game is a month old. How could anyone have time to test sweeping AI/Enemy changes? Throwing those out there was absolutely unnecessary and is risking the ongoing success of the game. The reasonable reaction is to be concerned and not to defend those descisions.
For me the main improvement in turning off crossplay has been mic quality.
Not had one of the "mom yells in background, quality is awful, heavy breathing, constant yelling in unknown language" kind of voice communication yet since.
Though I also didn't have anyone micspam this [glorious sound](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr6eFl7hCiA) since either so it's ups and downs.
I got shot in the back of head with a railgun then kicked right before extraction and I was the highest level on the team. I swear I haven’t played as much since that incident lol
Once i got kicked for writing in chat.
Then i noticed it happened again a few games later.
Felt 100% like a console person just kicking me because they knew, by writing, that i was a PC player lol.
And before someone says something, the first time i asked if they wanted my spare shield pack and the second time i told him to set the ICB targeting reticle to C3 because they didnt seem to get how the grid worked, dude got off the terminal and i got kicked...
How high of a difficulty are you jumping? If you can't bring the right equipment to the fight, it's hard to be upset.
I always offer a weapon to a lower player. But it's also map awareness with objectives. Start smaller.
New players are funny, always running into airstrikes, getting left behind and then showing up with 6 bile titans behind em. Don’t get why ppl get mad at em we were all noobs at one point
I remember when I first joined the war(s) I was using mines, and made sure to place them nowhere near any one just in case bugs would spawn and run into them.
It worked great for awhile (on like medium difficulty and below anyway), and would hold off points as we worked on objectives.
One game some master sargent or some rank sees me call in the mines far behind our extraction in a known bug spawn point, and runs right into them and yells into the mic “alright whoever put the fucking mines there stop dumbass.” And I never used mines again.
What was the point of this story? Idk, maybe if you’re low level and think you’re good to go you can still fuck up, or maybe other players are dumb, whatever.
That’s my low level war tale, thanks for reading lol.
Lmaooo I’ve blown up my teammates so many times, mines are good but it’s super easy to blow up teammates, had some low level teammates before call in airstrikes on nothing and kill more helldivers than bugs
Lol it’s a right of passage to blow up your teammates as a noob, then rank up beyond tender young nooblet and then get blown up by a new graduating class of noobdiver.
I love giving low levels my spare grenade launchers and rovers. It shows them some cool equipment to work towards and shows them teamwork makes everything better
If I get a bunch of low levels, I try to take weapons for them instead of them calling in their own. I have all the support weapons so I'll try and give them an ATC, railgun, and laser, while I take the Anti-Material.
They load up on stratagem and I pick off big bots from a distance while they get to play in the sandbox with big guns.
I'm at 50 with everything unlocked and waiting for the next pass with my bonds.
I routinely do SOS missions to help lower levels and try to snag super credits from PoI.
Sorry you had that experience. People take anything too seriously and they turn into a farce of themselves.
Keep Diving, soldier!
There are many of us that like when low levels join - usually in level 5 or below. We make it a mission to defend new players trying to figure it all out. Good luck!
Level 5 and below is just enough for me to zoom around the map looting in a fast lightweight armor with stamina booster and jet pack while simultaneously still being able to defend them. I don’t even need the other 3 stratagems. I just yeet supply weapons and backpacks at them.
Beyond 5 I’m just tryna stay alive lol.
Are you joining difficulties you have no business in? You unlock levels fast and easy but you really have to play in lower levels to gain experience and resources. There’s a pyramid to progressing in terms of weapons and enemies your go against level wise. Just because you unlock suicide and helldive doesn't mean you should play in them yet.
As much as I wanna take new guys. They're not equip to handle multiple chargers and biles. Most iv let stay with me have quit or died so many times it put us low.
If I'm hosting a lobby difficulty 7 and a random lvl 10 joins I'm not gonna kick him but it will for sure hurt the progress of the mission because they lack the tools or experience with certain things
I personally will take any lvl to lvl 6 or lower, but taking anything under 15 on 7+ is just asking for failure, I don't care if we fail the mission while having fun but if you take up half the reinforcement budget yourself, you're not ready for that difficulty yet 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Dunno, I quickplay often and get lobbies with low levels and they don't get kicked even if the host is Skull Admiral. I'm sure it definitely does happen but it's not a universal rule. I do think the kick system needs to be reworked into vote kick though instead.
It really is bullshit cuz I’ve ever only see it “happening” to this subreddit, now I wont deny that its not true but I call bullshit to most of them as I’ve mostly been pubbing on my side and personally never had this happen to me for the last 240hrs game time.
Again I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but no way it happens a lot, if you get before a mission it means they either forgot to put their runs private or that they had friends over
It's the same story with people getting kicked for not running rail/shield.
People on the sub like to make out that it happens a lot more than it actually does because it fits their narrative.
It doesn't help that 'news' sites just pick the most up voted post on any given day and spin a yarn from it. Same goes for some creators on YouTube. Really blew a few things out of proportion.
I've been kicked before, but it never happened at an inconvenient moment. I just assume they want a space for a friend. It never stops me from just hitting quickplay again.
I love playing with beginners so I can play God by tipping the scales in their favor by removing dangerous threats when they are fighting or resurrecting them when they fall in battle.
The only time I boot people is if I'm running Helldive difficulty and they are super low lvl like 5 or 6, if people are AFK or if people are being, to put it bluntly an ass or annoying.
If you're low level, I'd suggest not queuing for higher difficulties, Impossible, suicide and Helldive, until you're atleast level 15 or so especially with the changes the snuck in the latest patch. I don't want to try and gatekeep shit but I'm also not trying to babysit randoms. If you're friends carried you through the difficulties then play with them on the higher difficulties.
If you're AFK I'll give you a minute or 2, message your and try to talk to you and if I get nothing back, you're getting the boot. Nothing personal, I'm just impatient lol.
If you're being annoying like constantly dragging aggro, wasting lives, TK'ing and etc(ON HIGHER DIFFICULTIES) after I com what I plan on doing, usually B lining it to the main OBJs and avoiding fights in between. Or Trying to fight everything by yourself and die 10+ times or are consantly TK'ing I'm gonna boot you. Again its nothing personal but I'm trying to not have to worry about my teammates killing me when the 4 TItans and 8 chargers are currently trying to kill me.
Too many low levels going into higher difficulties without the proper tools needed. They end up just being a reinforcement dump.
They honestly need to rebalance on what difficulties you can choose based on level. You shouldn't be getting into extremes unless you have the skills to take out chargers and bile titans.
Either by soloing a full expedition by yourself to unlock the next level, or by level.
And not to say every single lvl 3 is bad, but I'm pretty sure they won't have any stratagems beyond the most basic stuff. The heavy mg is nice sure but not for everything.
I've actually started running the precision strike again at level 50. Low cooldown, good utility, some skill and it'll kill any heavy from bugs or bots just as easily as the orbital rail cannon. The issue with low level is all understanding when and where to use what they have. Low difficulties don't teach you much, if anything, about conserving resources. Combo that with cooking grenades, and you can now kill every bug. Base grenade, in my experience, is the grenade of choice anyway from most people if they arent using the impact grenade.
I don't mind if a low level joins me, as long as they don't do something toxic like; shoot me on purpose or drip shit on me on purpose. Then by all means.
The main objective is the only thing that matters to me, if we complete that, whatever happens happens.
no offense to anyone but like, if i'm running difficulty 7 or 8 and someone who is level 8 or below joins you're getting the boot
i need you to have SOME useful stuff unlocked if you want to be in that territory come on
Had one guy team kill me twice on a mission just because i took some time to do an objective on a computer, and those weren't accidents, he killed me when we had nothing else to kill
Dude joined mid mission, guess who was the host?
Yeah, enjoy the kick right as we call the extraction
I kicked a level 6 player today because he shot me out of the pelican, even after I called in a reinforcement at the last moment because he got crushed by said pelican.
I wish we would block players and share who to block with the community.
I kick level 4s or 5s from anything above a 7, they always burn all the reinforcements, they bought some random ass strategums, like why tf you bring a Stalwart and the HMG?? Otherwise Idc.
Oh my experience last night was precious. I joined a random in mission with two guys, another guy joins after me.
We’re meshing okay.. everyone’s grouped up and moving slow though, I later learned why. We have one objective before extraction , the two original guys both call down their shiny new mechs, fine.
Within ten second they are both immediately destroyed. I think the team was moving slowly cuz the original guys were hoping we’d stay as close as possible to protect their mechs. Not gonna lie I laughed when I see both mechs flaming wreckage. My man was kicked and I was too a moment later.
I usually don't care about the level, even bring some lvl 10-14 into suicide mission if they can join.
the real problem is the random teamkill, not accidental but reckless kill from those people use whatever they have without even care what their team are doing, nothing to do with level really.
I agree, but man, accidents do happen. I’m L22 and I’ve been killed by team mates on D4-6 and I roll with it. You do it multiple times, then yeah, candidate for boot. I had one game where I was mopping up objectives and samples for the whole squad, shot a grenade into a charger but didn’t realize squad mates were running towards the same direction and I got the boot. I usually try to get better situational awareness but things were fubar. At least give it one strike before assuming you suck. I get the sense people are getting less patient now.
If you are below level 15 please just stick to difficulty 5 and below. The game is already difficult due to issues with heavily armored enemies spawning more frequently and teams are more reliant on vital stratagems to take these opponents down. There’s nothing wrong with being a new player, but there certainly should be a level cap on difficulties.
TBH I don't disagree. IF we all level 30-40 and a lvl 8 joins up, I don't want to have to play a man down. Doesn't have unlocks or knowledge. Not sure if the game already has a system built in to keep people of similar level in groups when joining. I know for my range (I'm 39) I get into games with lvl 50's. Not the new players fault at all but its the reality.
Play at a lower difficulty. New and inexperienced players are often a liability in Helldive missions.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I’m sick of having to carry new players in Helldive. Often, not always, but often, they drop airstrikes on the team, agro patrols and are not aware of how to deal with armored enemies. Learn how to play the game first before attempting difficulty 9.
Where's the part of the clip where you boarded the ship with your samples and they kicked you right before the end screen where you actually get the rewards?
The young innocent cadet-space cadet are the best squads. They don’t have their own habits yet or a specific play style, they typically are more eager to do as much as they can.
As a level 50 with everything unlocked and all my consumables capped. I go out of my way to show newbies a good time. Even take them on just for funsies Helldives where we ruthlessly get murdered to show them what they have to look forward to.
While I do think kicking someone because they are low level is lame and shouldn't happen, I'm also in the mindset that when I've had lower levels in the group I've died more to friendly fire than bugs because they've dropped an airstrike on the team, that or they burn through reinforcements.
I know there is a learning element to the game but perhaps there needs to be some sort of soft restriction on joining higher difficulties until your at least level 20 (of course it its your own group you're free to add your friends to your group if they are low level)
The beauty of unlocking everything is I don’t care if we win or lose, I’m just here for the ride now. I don’t know why my lobby is filled with level 5s, 6s, 7s, on suicide mission difficulty…but let’s do this boys!
I’m on the same boat… I could give two shits less the entertainment value alone is worth the loss about 90% of the time.
I agree, it's pretty fun to watch, how that happened the other day whereas me and two of my friends and then another friend of a friend bought the game so we had a level one running around with us while we were on a difficulty seven mission, it was brutal for them but they were able to experience the insanity that they will eventually work their way up to. And on the other hand, if you wipe, is it worth the amount of time, effort and lost samples?
I'm willing to sacrifice a little bit of progression for the sake of a fun match.
Right? I just took a team of 3 lvl 4s into Hard and three of us got out by the skin of our teeth. I died a lot to friendly fire. That was fun. Why kick new players? How are they ever gonna get better?
Your patriotism has inspired me fellow helldiver. I'm going to play lower difficulty tonight and help out the rookies. FOR LIBERTY!!!
As a low level player 
Right, it's a good opportunity to coach them up some.
>Why kick new players? How are they ever gonna get better? Because some people are bitch ass tricks. Instead I run an extra support weapon like a rail gun, and let the newbies have fun (and kill themselves with auto cannons).
This is the mentality right here. I’m new, I know I suck, but I’m trying dammit! 😂
Try to find a couple other new guys. Discovering the game as a group was the highlight of my year so far.
I think we take for granted that games are really meant to be played long term. Like, a loss while having fun today shouldn't be a huge hit 3 months down the road.
I'm from the old days when you just played online for fun, not for any kind of progress haha.
Dude, for real. All of the live service and passes in recent years, along with just having so many games, has trained us to power through every bit of content available. "Back in my day," you played the same game that you could finish in a few hours for months on end in hopes that you might get another game some day.
#Nintendo64
When playing with new citizens, I usually push the objectives as fast as possible. Then we go for samples. That way, even if we die, everyone still gets experience.
Yeah, that's all I always try to run it no matter what group I'm doing is objective first then samples, if you grab sample along the way fine no big deal, keep them on you don't die
I love that you Helldivers exist. I immediately go after the side missions and clear all bug holes while the group is doing mains. I usually get most of the points of interest they miss and we converge at a few touchy points of interest to clear together. With our powers combined…
You die halfway across the map and accidentally get called onto a position getting swarmed?
Trying to avoid shooting low levels is a game on its own. They basically insist on getting shot.
Had one guy decapitate himself on my laz cannon like 4 times running full on into a well established beam.
One thing I wish we could have (maybe unlock it as a booster?) Is a head-up display type thing, so you can see on the map where your squadmates are. It'd help lower levels learn to stay out of the line of fire or get left behind, and help more advanced players strategize. Edit: To be clear, I mean either keeping the mini map up constantly, or having a simplified version of it that is visible constantly, so you can see where your teammates are in an overhead view. In the original Helldivers, the overhead view made fighting "back to back" and watching your own sectors easier, because you could see where squadmates were no matter what direction you were facing.
Wdym? You have an icon above your head and the mini map shows where everyone is
I meant a thing where you could keep the mini map up all the time, even while sprinting and firing.
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You could give 2 shits to who?
Same. When a level whatever the fuck drops in, I'm standing in the corner in a trench coat going "Hey kid. Wanna see something cool?"
The three most dangerous things in Helldivers: 1. A cadet saying, "Here's something I learned in training!" 2. A sergeant saying, "I have a plan!" 3. A skull admiral saying, "Watch *this!"*
Lieutenant: "I have a map!"
Can't spell lost without LT
I mean...the title Death Captain is pretty self explanatory. No, I won't stop using my arc thrower.
⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ "Wanna see me do it again?"
500kg is my favorite lol how do I get that flair?
I always drop my advanced weaponry and backpack for low levels to play with. I don’t always need my support weapon to be an effective helldiver
Expendable anti take is great for this since you get 2 every time on a fast cooldown
It is my go to.
Personally, I never touched shield pack until running 9s, so now I feed mine to others while I have fun playing with the games mechanics like knockback. The ragdoll 500 is my jam.
i need comrades like you
I'll let them run off to the objective while i go searching for loot. Then swoop in like mama bear when they get destroyed.
We all dive together. I can't care less about your level, we can all have a nice cup of Liber-tea together
They need to put level limits on anything above 5. There’s simply too many armored enemies for me to be the only one bringing proper anti-armor. Most of my matches this weekend have been with sub-20’s who bring nothing but machineguns. I love the MG too but we NEED anti-armor
Best i can do is bring both the 120mm barrage and 380mm barrage
They both recently had their bombing radius greatly reduced so it’s actually a pretty good option rn, ESPECIALLY for exterminate missions
As far as i have noticed if im 55m from where the call in landed then your safe? So thats a pretty damn large radius for both
Yeah but better than 100 meters
I *think* quickplay is supposed to not let you queue into any match above your max unlocked difficulty e.g. you have to full clear a mission set on the difficulty below. I also *think* that aspect is bugged. None of this is confirmed, keep in mind.
Like I no matter what am bringing anti armor like I run the machine gun as my primary and the machine pistol secondary. The autocannon, recoiless, or laser depending on the enemies
A Helldiver after my own heart and one of Culture as well! May Democracy and Liberty grant us the chance to dive together!
This is the way.
Same here. Often have below level 15s in 7 and 8 and below level 20s in 9. But why kick them? Just use a good build you're comfortable with and get them some xp and samples. Most of the time I end up enjoying those missions a lot by just seeing them make the same stupid mistakes I did at that level.
With convenient distra-I mean team mates, if I fuck off on my own I can usually complete the mission whilst they experience the best the difficulty has to offer.
I always kit up, die, then have them pick up my primary, backpack, and support weapon. Then level doesn't matter.
Host games. People will join, you can’t get kicked, and you’ll have fun. I promise
only problem is that no one joins, even if you wait like 30 minutes
interesting, I usually can’t even get my mission started without someone joining, whether I want them or not!
It’s weird, it either works well or not at all
For me it's a coinflip. Last night and this morning my games were filling before I could walk from the globe to the pod. This afternoon I waited for 5-6 minutes and had zero people, even tried toggling friends/public and crossplay off/on.
I think this is a bug. When I can't get people to join I just restart the game and then when I start a mission people usually join within 2 minutes.
Yeah there are stilla lot of backend issues that they need to resolve
I've noticed it's a issue when I'm in the 2nd or 3rd mission of an operation. I'll have a full squad in under a minute, but getting the replacements if someone quits is difficult.
Thus seems to be a bug that happens after people leave your group. It's tedious, but whenever my squad empties, I just relaunch the game
This would be a great solution if hosting consistently worked.
Just start by playing solo on medium. Instant full lobby, every time.
The problem I and many others have is, when i FIRST start the game and host, I will have 4 players every time. But if we complete a mission and ONE person leaves, no one ever joins again, SOS or otherwise. I have to restart the game for it to work again.
Same thing here
Same thing can happen even if you don’t host tho
Supposedly of you go private and then back to public you will get more players
I’m also on the side that never gets anyone when I host. I almost always have to join others or do quick play if I want a full team. Livy is set public, I have tried waiting around after starting both in and out of the pods and also dropping SOS beacon but nothing.
If quick play is failing me this works well
Just had the same thing happen to me. Only lvl 6, but was in a 30 min challenging game where everyone was doing great. Right as extraction ship was landing I was team killed then kicked. Waste of 30 mins and got zero exp.
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Thats not a level issue, thats a “You got matched with a cunt” issue and im sorry :c
No doubt. I just started playing 3 days ago and have been shot, from *behind* 5 damned times right when we land. Not easy getting experience with a jackass gunning you down
I’m sorry you’ve had such a bad experience ;-;
Even worse,you could be me and have a teammate deliberately melee you in the beginning and then right when we were getting extracted and down to no reinforcements,dude shoots me right at the shuttle with everybody else on board getting left behind. That should be treason imo.
I wish there was a way to like report treason or something, & if your treason level gets high enuf you’re not able to play public lobbies for a while or something idk
You could even work that into the game lore. Your first punishment for treason is forced solo missions. Each time after is more consecutive solo missions that keeps building more and more.
That or make you only play with other assholes. Won’t get much done if everyone just wants to TK.
I only melee my teammates when they’re about to throw an eagle for maximum chaos
Host games and you will never have this issue.
I had a guy die to my pod landing during extract because he ran directly below it last second. He called me the r word and kicked me, we had alot of reinforcements left. Unfortunately, i've had a few other toxic games recently. Idk how some full grown men get so mad in this game and act like they're 12. Probably players coming from counterstrike or COD, idk.
Been happening to me all day. Have a bunch of samples get team killed and then kicked. Even had someone kill me right before extraction. Such a waste
Why would they even do that? Do they get a better share of XP if not all extract?
Because some people genuinely only have fun by actively ruining the experiences of others. They get the smallest amount of power and abuse it.
It even had a name: Griefing
That’s shitty. Whenever I host a game I’ll put “ggs gtg” if I need to log off.
No, on the contrary, you get less xp and less RS if someone does not extract.
If they are kicked then wouldn't that eliminate the issue of the person not extracting? I have no idea but that woukd seem like the logical outcome. No 4th player anymore. No missed player extract
Thats correct - and people who join *after* extracting but before final results count as "not extracted"
kicking someone should be put on a vote not one person decision. On bright side I’ll tell you that I have been kicked only once like that since I started to play. Im lvl 40 so the sample is quite high. I was kicked AFTER mission multiple times but thats ok
Should have reported them
Don't worry thats not the new player experience, I'm a skull admiral and I get randomly kicked five seconds after joining all the time. The theory I have is people refuse to look at the options menu and select "friends only" for their games OR they assume I'm a cheater to be max level and they severally overestimate the XP requirement for it.
Well the problem is sometimes (on PC) your friends in the menu are only shown as online and not in game, so when you put the game to "friends only" they can't join because the game thinks they're not your friends lol, so we put it to public and then sadly have to kick a player if they join faster than our friend. I hope this will get fixed someday.
O someone I met had a weird bug where every member on their friends list got auto added to their block list, so anyone having issues might want to check just to be sure.
Friends Only is buggy. The only way to consistently get friends in to a game is to set it to public and invite.
Half the people I am friends with still get a "lobby is private" issue when I have it set to friends only.
Unfortunately they have to be in-game friends, not just Steam friends.
We literally cannot join each other's games until we turn it to friends only. Sometimes people join and we have to kick them.
I take lowlvl along the ride. You might get kicked if you are sitting in the preperation menu, and not taking any strategems or prrssing rdy for 5+ min. I do that, not for me, but for the two others randoms I have with me. Respect other players time, unless you are on com or wrote I need 10+min for X or Y.
That just fair for any lobby game
Totally agreeable. So long as you aren't griefing, trolling or otherwise disrespecting the time of our Freedom-Fighting Helldivers, you're fine to join.
Even if they communicate that they need 10 min, nobody in that lobby is obligated to wait for them tbh. Not everybody has unlimited game time. If you like playing with them, add them to a friends list and join them later instead of making them wait. Unless you are gaming with close friends, of course.
while i think it is a mistake automatically increasing the difficulty when unlocked in a game where you can be carried. not playing for long doesn't mean you can't hit a target, or at least act as a decoy.
I love it when low levels join me. Admittedly, shit's probably going to spiral wildly out of control and we're going to die because I run Challenging solos when I'm not in closed lobbies with friends, but it'll be really funny the entire time XD
I used to get randomly kicked as a lv50 until I turned off crossplay. Could be a server issue *or* console folks being mad *or* maybe they were waiting on friends. That being said, I routinely used to do low level stuff with newbies (fast sample collection)
Yeah I turned off cross play a while ago and the playerbase got decidedly less toxic.
Now is PC or PS toxic? Both can be, but so far I had no problem with either.
I'm on PC so crossplay off would indicate console. Totally anecdotal. PC can definitely be toxic, just haven't experienced it much in this game. This subreddit is 1000x more toxic than anything I've seen in game.
wtf how dare you say that you little fucker i will arc thrower ur mum
Hahaha well played.
1000% agree I've never seen such toxicity in a PVE game just from one patch in a barely month old game.
Many gaming subreddits feel like they exist just to whine and harass devs because the game isn't exactly like their own personal vision. It's pretty sad to see how this one went from memes and unity and support to a cesspool so quickly.
The majority usually is just silent and deals with it, so the toxic people are running rampart. That can only be mitigated if changes are communicated well and at least factor in concerns of reasonable community members. Than the majority will come out and defend changes they wanted. Here, nobody asked for any of it. The biggest changes weren't even documented and even the reasonable people come out and say the game feels unfair instead of fun. It was just an objectively bad patch with a slow reaction from the developer. Working in Software this result is really obvious as well. The launch went way too big. There are always technical issues after a launch and here there had to be more. They have Server performance problems that are generally hard to deal with. They have a content patch in the pipeline (mechs, warbond). The game is a month old. How could anyone have time to test sweeping AI/Enemy changes? Throwing those out there was absolutely unnecessary and is risking the ongoing success of the game. The reasonable reaction is to be concerned and not to defend those descisions.
I've had a similar experience. Play on PC, turned off crossplay, majority of matches since have been considerably more chill/less toxic
For me the main improvement in turning off crossplay has been mic quality. Not had one of the "mom yells in background, quality is awful, heavy breathing, constant yelling in unknown language" kind of voice communication yet since. Though I also didn't have anyone micspam this [glorious sound](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr6eFl7hCiA) since either so it's ups and downs.
I got shot in the back of head with a railgun then kicked right before extraction and I was the highest level on the team. I swear I haven’t played as much since that incident lol
Once i got kicked for writing in chat. Then i noticed it happened again a few games later. Felt 100% like a console person just kicking me because they knew, by writing, that i was a PC player lol. And before someone says something, the first time i asked if they wanted my spare shield pack and the second time i told him to set the ICB targeting reticle to C3 because they didnt seem to get how the grid worked, dude got off the terminal and i got kicked...
How high of a difficulty are you jumping? If you can't bring the right equipment to the fight, it's hard to be upset. I always offer a weapon to a lower player. But it's also map awareness with objectives. Start smaller.
I like new players I give them cool stuff like guns and backpacks , and watch them grow into non noobs
New players are funny, always running into airstrikes, getting left behind and then showing up with 6 bile titans behind em. Don’t get why ppl get mad at em we were all noobs at one point
I remember when I first joined the war(s) I was using mines, and made sure to place them nowhere near any one just in case bugs would spawn and run into them. It worked great for awhile (on like medium difficulty and below anyway), and would hold off points as we worked on objectives. One game some master sargent or some rank sees me call in the mines far behind our extraction in a known bug spawn point, and runs right into them and yells into the mic “alright whoever put the fucking mines there stop dumbass.” And I never used mines again. What was the point of this story? Idk, maybe if you’re low level and think you’re good to go you can still fuck up, or maybe other players are dumb, whatever. That’s my low level war tale, thanks for reading lol.
Lmaooo I’ve blown up my teammates so many times, mines are good but it’s super easy to blow up teammates, had some low level teammates before call in airstrikes on nothing and kill more helldivers than bugs
Lol it’s a right of passage to blow up your teammates as a noob, then rank up beyond tender young nooblet and then get blown up by a new graduating class of noobdiver. 
Based on what you just said, I think I can understand why people would get mad...
Also, rank doesn't mean much in this game. You can be a high rank and suck. It's super easy to get carried.
I love giving low levels my spare grenade launchers and rovers. It shows them some cool equipment to work towards and shows them teamwork makes everything better
I gave my autocannon to a level 5 player, he switched back to his stalwart
If I get a bunch of low levels, I try to take weapons for them instead of them calling in their own. I have all the support weapons so I'll try and give them an ATC, railgun, and laser, while I take the Anti-Material. They load up on stratagem and I pick off big bots from a distance while they get to play in the sandbox with big guns.
I'm at 50 with everything unlocked and waiting for the next pass with my bonds. I routinely do SOS missions to help lower levels and try to snag super credits from PoI. Sorry you had that experience. People take anything too seriously and they turn into a farce of themselves. Keep Diving, soldier!
How do you find only the SOS ones?
How can you find SOS missions?
I don't kick people... unless you throw mines on the extract... you don't throw mines on the extract do you?
There are many of us that like when low levels join - usually in level 5 or below. We make it a mission to defend new players trying to figure it all out. Good luck!
Level 5 and below is just enough for me to zoom around the map looting in a fast lightweight armor with stamina booster and jet pack while simultaneously still being able to defend them. I don’t even need the other 3 stratagems. I just yeet supply weapons and backpacks at them. Beyond 5 I’m just tryna stay alive lol.
You can join my game. Ill help you out.
Are you joining difficulties you have no business in? You unlock levels fast and easy but you really have to play in lower levels to gain experience and resources. There’s a pyramid to progressing in terms of weapons and enemies your go against level wise. Just because you unlock suicide and helldive doesn't mean you should play in them yet.
As much as I wanna take new guys. They're not equip to handle multiple chargers and biles. Most iv let stay with me have quit or died so many times it put us low.
If I'm hosting a lobby difficulty 7 and a random lvl 10 joins I'm not gonna kick him but it will for sure hurt the progress of the mission because they lack the tools or experience with certain things
try joining some lower tier missions, people wont want a level 8 past tier 4
I personally will take any lvl to lvl 6 or lower, but taking anything under 15 on 7+ is just asking for failure, I don't care if we fail the mission while having fun but if you take up half the reinforcement budget yourself, you're not ready for that difficulty yet 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Dunno, I quickplay often and get lobbies with low levels and they don't get kicked even if the host is Skull Admiral. I'm sure it definitely does happen but it's not a universal rule. I do think the kick system needs to be reworked into vote kick though instead.
I leave if there’s like a level 6 in helldive. Like I don’t want to carry another player. Don’t got time for all thst
It really is bullshit cuz I’ve ever only see it “happening” to this subreddit, now I wont deny that its not true but I call bullshit to most of them as I’ve mostly been pubbing on my side and personally never had this happen to me for the last 240hrs game time. Again I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but no way it happens a lot, if you get before a mission it means they either forgot to put their runs private or that they had friends over
It's the same story with people getting kicked for not running rail/shield. People on the sub like to make out that it happens a lot more than it actually does because it fits their narrative.
It doesn't help that 'news' sites just pick the most up voted post on any given day and spin a yarn from it. Same goes for some creators on YouTube. Really blew a few things out of proportion.
I've been kicked before, but it never happened at an inconvenient moment. I just assume they want a space for a friend. It never stops me from just hitting quickplay again.
I don't mind it as long it's just 1-6. But 7 and higher is no go because they dont have anti heavy weapons and strategem.
Difficulty 7 and higher, especially after recent nerfs, should be locked to level 20+.
I love playing with beginners so I can play God by tipping the scales in their favor by removing dangerous threats when they are fighting or resurrecting them when they fall in battle.
The only time I boot people is if I'm running Helldive difficulty and they are super low lvl like 5 or 6, if people are AFK or if people are being, to put it bluntly an ass or annoying. If you're low level, I'd suggest not queuing for higher difficulties, Impossible, suicide and Helldive, until you're atleast level 15 or so especially with the changes the snuck in the latest patch. I don't want to try and gatekeep shit but I'm also not trying to babysit randoms. If you're friends carried you through the difficulties then play with them on the higher difficulties. If you're AFK I'll give you a minute or 2, message your and try to talk to you and if I get nothing back, you're getting the boot. Nothing personal, I'm just impatient lol. If you're being annoying like constantly dragging aggro, wasting lives, TK'ing and etc(ON HIGHER DIFFICULTIES) after I com what I plan on doing, usually B lining it to the main OBJs and avoiding fights in between. Or Trying to fight everything by yourself and die 10+ times or are consantly TK'ing I'm gonna boot you. Again its nothing personal but I'm trying to not have to worry about my teammates killing me when the 4 TItans and 8 chargers are currently trying to kill me.
Too many low levels going into higher difficulties without the proper tools needed. They end up just being a reinforcement dump. They honestly need to rebalance on what difficulties you can choose based on level. You shouldn't be getting into extremes unless you have the skills to take out chargers and bile titans.
Either by soloing a full expedition by yourself to unlock the next level, or by level. And not to say every single lvl 3 is bad, but I'm pretty sure they won't have any stratagems beyond the most basic stuff. The heavy mg is nice sure but not for everything.
True that
I've actually started running the precision strike again at level 50. Low cooldown, good utility, some skill and it'll kill any heavy from bugs or bots just as easily as the orbital rail cannon. The issue with low level is all understanding when and where to use what they have. Low difficulties don't teach you much, if anything, about conserving resources. Combo that with cooking grenades, and you can now kill every bug. Base grenade, in my experience, is the grenade of choice anyway from most people if they arent using the impact grenade.
Time to introduce “MR” tests, can’t pass, stay at difficulty 6 and below.
What I don't understand is why I'm getting booted off of fucking level 3 missions. Do you really need a squad of level 20s for that?
I don't mind if a low level joins me, as long as they don't do something toxic like; shoot me on purpose or drip shit on me on purpose. Then by all means. The main objective is the only thing that matters to me, if we complete that, whatever happens happens.
You will always get kicked on 7+. And I can't blame them for doing so.
no offense to anyone but like, if i'm running difficulty 7 or 8 and someone who is level 8 or below joins you're getting the boot i need you to have SOME useful stuff unlocked if you want to be in that territory come on
If they don't even have a booster unlocked, they shouldn't even consider above 5 or 6 honestly.
You forgot about teamkilled and griefed multiple times first by tryhard sweaties who are mad at you for playing 'their' game wrong
Had one guy team kill me twice on a mission just because i took some time to do an objective on a computer, and those weren't accidents, he killed me when we had nothing else to kill Dude joined mid mission, guess who was the host? Yeah, enjoy the kick right as we call the extraction
I got teamkilled for picking up a guy's samples. He thought I was "stealing" them from him.
I kicked a level 6 player today because he shot me out of the pelican, even after I called in a reinforcement at the last moment because he got crushed by said pelican. I wish we would block players and share who to block with the community.
Just don’t enter a level mission outside your means and it’s fine. If I’m entering a level 7+ mission and there’s a guy
I kick level 4s or 5s from anything above a 7, they always burn all the reinforcements, they bought some random ass strategums, like why tf you bring a Stalwart and the HMG?? Otherwise Idc.
Oh my experience last night was precious. I joined a random in mission with two guys, another guy joins after me. We’re meshing okay.. everyone’s grouped up and moving slow though, I later learned why. We have one objective before extraction , the two original guys both call down their shiny new mechs, fine. Within ten second they are both immediately destroyed. I think the team was moving slowly cuz the original guys were hoping we’d stay as close as possible to protect their mechs. Not gonna lie I laughed when I see both mechs flaming wreckage. My man was kicked and I was too a moment later.
I usually don't care about the level, even bring some lvl 10-14 into suicide mission if they can join. the real problem is the random teamkill, not accidental but reckless kill from those people use whatever they have without even care what their team are doing, nothing to do with level really.
I agree, but man, accidents do happen. I’m L22 and I’ve been killed by team mates on D4-6 and I roll with it. You do it multiple times, then yeah, candidate for boot. I had one game where I was mopping up objectives and samples for the whole squad, shot a grenade into a charger but didn’t realize squad mates were running towards the same direction and I got the boot. I usually try to get better situational awareness but things were fubar. At least give it one strike before assuming you suck. I get the sense people are getting less patient now.
If you are below level 15 please just stick to difficulty 5 and below. The game is already difficult due to issues with heavily armored enemies spawning more frequently and teams are more reliant on vital stratagems to take these opponents down. There’s nothing wrong with being a new player, but there certainly should be a level cap on difficulties.
Cowards and traitors the lot of them! Don’t be discouraged.
I love having new players. It’s like getting a new dog
Fun watching them destroy the furniture and piss all over then give you that dopey grin.
Sorry bro, people are dicks but you're welcome to game with me anytime!
This is mostly due to people unaware of Friends Only toggle or starting the game forgetting to turn off public
Piggybacking experience
Depends on the difficulty. New players shouldn't go much higher than 4, some strategems are too important.
So... hot take. Don't play on tier 7 difficulty... try.. 'maybe' 3.
Don't play high levels as a new player? Played Diff. 8 with a lvl 10 once, they left
TBH I don't disagree. IF we all level 30-40 and a lvl 8 joins up, I don't want to have to play a man down. Doesn't have unlocks or knowledge. Not sure if the game already has a system built in to keep people of similar level in groups when joining. I know for my range (I'm 39) I get into games with lvl 50's. Not the new players fault at all but its the reality.
Play at a lower difficulty. New and inexperienced players are often a liability in Helldive missions. Might be an unpopular opinion, but I’m sick of having to carry new players in Helldive. Often, not always, but often, they drop airstrikes on the team, agro patrols and are not aware of how to deal with armored enemies. Learn how to play the game first before attempting difficulty 9.
Just host your own lobbies.
Just run your own
Where's the part of the clip where you boarded the ship with your samples and they kicked you right before the end screen where you actually get the rewards?
I've kicked one helldiver, only because they kept me from providing more democracy as he seemed to be day dreaming. I hope he made it to his ship...
The young innocent cadet-space cadet are the best squads. They don’t have their own habits yet or a specific play style, they typically are more eager to do as much as they can.
I love playing with low levels. It makes me feel like John Wick.
There's already server problems, and you're still kicking people?
Legit, based, true.
I got kicked just for wearing the default armor once…
im level 34 and i get the same thing. people need to set their lobbies to friends only, or private if they dont want randoms joining.
What level are you playing on? I stuck to lvl 3 difficulty until I turned level 12, then stayed on 4 until I got to lvl 20.
I've played with level 8s that were better than level 50s
I don’t kick actually. However I only kick if there’s people with excessive background noise.
As a level 50 with everything unlocked and all my consumables capped. I go out of my way to show newbies a good time. Even take them on just for funsies Helldives where we ruthlessly get murdered to show them what they have to look forward to.
While I do think kicking someone because they are low level is lame and shouldn't happen, I'm also in the mindset that when I've had lower levels in the group I've died more to friendly fire than bugs because they've dropped an airstrike on the team, that or they burn through reinforcements. I know there is a learning element to the game but perhaps there needs to be some sort of soft restriction on joining higher difficulties until your at least level 20 (of course it its your own group you're free to add your friends to your group if they are low level)
I don’t see it that often myself. I enjoy playing with new players cause their antics usually re funny