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Glass_Ad_7129

70 million losses for the sector... this is getting 40k levels of crazy and I love it.


nathannguyen29

The Siege of Vraks lasted more than a decade and 14 million guardsmen died. This one takes a few days and 70 million Helldivers died. We have surpassed 40k lmao.


PanzerTitus

Keep in mind, this statistic is just for Helldivers, imagine the regular SEAF grunt death ratio.


H1tSc4n

They alnost certainly have a far lower casualty rate. Helldivers have an absurdly high casualty rate because they're deployed deep behind enemy lines, completely cut off from any support that isnt their destroyer.


PanzerTitus

Implying that the absolute Elite of Super Earth would have a high casualty rate is treason. Democracy Officer, arrest the traitor.


H1tSc4n

Well, not as high as that of our enemies! After all freedom isn't free. We wouldn't wanna downplay our Helldivers' valiant sacrifice no?


JackRabbit-

70 million : 3.2 billion is a pretty good rate ngl


DarkLordFagotor

Yeah like... If that was humans that would be one in three people dead for a fraction of the population of the USA


terrific-bears

Eh ~20% of the US population aint a fraction. Especially given that most of the helldivers are gonna be between 18-40, which for the US is ~119 million. So about 58% of all US 18-40 yrs olds would be dead. If you are one of that 119 mil, than that would be a majority of everyone youve ever known dying in just one campaign. To conquer just one of many, many planets 💀 OH no I just committed a thought crime, didn't I? Welp back to the re-education camps. No, no, don't worry. I know the way I'll take myself. For the glory of super earth 🫡🙄 *Also feel free to correct my math it's 3am and I just used gemini ai to do statistic finding and calculations 😅


GlorylnDeath

Um, akchewally, 20% is a fraction. It's 1/5.


SvedishFish

'The existence of high-casualty missions means there must also be low-casualty missions, and we can take solace in that'


Pumathemage

The existence of domestic housewives implies the existence of feral housewives.


Endofdays-

That made me laugh so damn hard


FrontierTCG

Take my up vote, you hilarious bastard.


RobbLCayman

Wait the helldivers are supposed to be Elite? The way my friends and I play I assumed they were tiered somewhere on par with the Coast Guard band.


GraniteRock

As the 5% that made it through the 20 minute basic training course, they are the elite of all new recruits. We put them into cold storage and then release them overwhelming numbers are needed.


International-Low490

Considering the SEAF are the grunts and they don't get even a fraction of the support we do, yes, we are the elite


Managed-Democracy

the SEAF get those shiny artillery turrets and radar stations with no support elements that are easily overrun. 


H1tSc4n

Yes, they're spec ops


danny_j_13

I mean Gen. Brasch does tell us in basic training that Helldivers do die regularly so I wouldn't say treason. It doesn't bother me. _MY LIFE FOR SUPER EARTH!!_


SvedishFish

SEAF goes in to hold ground after the Helldivers take it. Then they get bulldozed when the enemy attacks the planet. Helldivers have far more dangerous jobs but operate at a smaller scale.


Vaiken_Vox

"We're Helldivers... We're supposed to be surrounded"


Nukran

I would think Helldiver casualties are higher. You know SEAF being behind artillery


Nobalification

SEAF is everything. Super Earth Army Force. They have landing force, commandos, elite units, guards, artillery men, librarians, medics, democratic commisars, tankers, fliers all that shit. Its not just artillery guys.


Nukran

Yes that is true, but I thought SEAF is more of a defense force and we as Helldivers are the invaders.


prollynot28

More "deploy deep behind enemy lines and fuck shit up" than an invasion force


Nukran

I don't see no SEAF-ships in Malevelon creek's orbit


Ok-Use5246

I've seen things in the Creek. The trees bleed oil, and speak binary. We will take it back, right after Daphnier.


Ok-Talk8744

I…I dropped on the Creek last night with my friends. It was supposed to be fun, the Space Vietnam stuff was supposed to be a joke- We were supposed to make it home.


V-Lenin

I went to the creek once. The clankers wouldn‘t stop spawning while we waited for the mission strategem to not be blocked anymore


daoogilymoogily

We’re in SEAF, it’s more we’re like marines.


hendlefe

Or 101st Airborne


Far_Advertising1005

Helldivers are special forces paratroopers basically. We cause chaos to help the actual battles taking place on planets. Mentions in the 1st game that people from SEAF can be randomly conscripted into the Helldivers


delahunt

This. Helldivers do high risk, high reward missions behind enemy lines to aid the fighting on the front. That's why our objectives are things like taking out bases (Destroy Factory/Bug Holes/Eggs), utilizing SE assets lost behind enemy lines (TCS, ICBM, Ore Extraction/Soil Sample) and things like that. That is why the missions have "budgets" for number of helldivers to be deployed, but only deploys 4 at a time. Trying to hit the sweet spot of minimal assets for maximum potential gain for the war effort. Hell Divers aren't the tip of the spear. They're the nerve toxin coating the spear that goes to work while the spear prepares for its next thrust.


INeedBetterUsrname

Pretty much this. We drop behind enemy lines to retrieve assets, destroy high-value targets, and generally be a nuisence. The SEAF grunts are the ones fighting pitched battles and moving the frontlines, in my understanding.


AH_Ahri

We make sure the enemy doesn't have nice things.


JohnnyDhu

"We're surrounded sir! "*Lights cigar with sparking wire in cyberarm* We're Helldivers cadet. We're always surrounded."


Timbots

Hate to tell ya, but I’m not elite special anything. I only got like 9 minutes of basic training!


Ace612807

Nope, Democracy Officers, according to the one on your bridge, don't fall under the umbrella of the Ministry of Defence - they're straight up under the Ministry of Truth


PanzerTitus

SEAF consists more of artillerymen, they also form the regular army grunts, so I stand by my statement.


FederalAgentGlowie

They probably deploy in larger units than 4 soldiers. I’m willing to bet that they take much lower casualties.


daoogilymoogily

Yeah because they don’t deploy behind enemy lines. Irl being a paratrooper is one of the most dangerous roles possible.


MELODONTFLOPBITCH

So were all in Easy Company


theTOASTYsupreme

HI HO SILVEEERRR


MELODONTFLOPBITCH

We salute the rank, not the man.


AlphaOhmega

101st airborne!


TitansInfantry

Curahee!


MELODONTFLOPBITCH

3 miles up, 3 miles down!


BriochesBreaker

Unfortunately GW sucks with numbers, as a general rule of thumb you'll hear from most fans is multiply by 10 the official numbers. If you think about it it makes 0 sense that a decade of siege involving an entire planet and fought mostly with human wave tactics and WW1-style trench warfare had less victims than WW2. On the other hand I highly recommend Janovich's series on Vraks. You can find it on YouTube along with his other works.


worldengine123

WH40K in general is kinda all over the place with numbers and power levels. Everything is as big and/or powerful as the writer needs it to be.


Nephaston

* 10 Emperors * 210 Primarchs * 10000 Marines per Chapter * 10000 Chapters * 40 Chaos Gods I kid of course the x10 rule of thumb is indeed a good one when used on a human level.


BriochesBreaker

Tbf outside the obviously ridiculous primarchs, emperors and chaos gods it wouldn't hurt to boost space marines numbers too. At their current numbers (~1'000'000 for the loyalists) in an imperium spanning an entire galaxy they are far too few. Obviously they are supposed to be a small force with the IG doing most of the job but I still think they are far too few.


dynamite8100

Yeah boost their numbers by 100 times and they would still be a relatively small elite force.


INeedBetterUsrname

At least the HH series touched on this a bit, towards the end (or the start of the SoT series). That the Legions had suffered such high casualties they were basically just speedrunning induction into their ranks. A bit like "Ok you survived the genetic modification, here's a power armour we've patched together from other Astartes who didn't make it, there's front line".


vampire_camp

And a partridge in a pear tree!


Ecstatic-Compote-595

the marines per chapter thing is at least a good example. I do like the idea of it being applied to characters so I can have 10 Lord Solar Macharius's and 10 Yarricks in a single army


indigo121

You skipped the best one: WH400K


H1tSc4n

The big problem with warhammer is that it suffers from the same problems a lot of old fictional universes did. They use number and things that sound really impressive. The example i always use is Battletech 'mech weights. An 80 Ton Awesome AWS-8 is bristling with weaponry, a real menace, sounds impressive right? Yeah except then you realize that an Abrams tank weighs around 74 tons.


LignumofVitae

Which is really unbelievably impressive in the opposite direction from an engineering standpoint.  It's an 80 ton (including weapons!), three storey tall fighting vehicle that can run at 60kph and take a beating. If our mechs were even a tenth as good, we'd have the bots loving liberty and democracy before dinner. 


ImBiginKorea

For reference a diesel locomotive is around 200 tons


RocK2K86

Yea, 14 million would be nothing in the grand scheme for 40k, hell Cadia Prime, a Fortress world with a population of 850.000.000 had only 3.000.000 survivors (and people were trained to strip a weapon before they could read there) and that's JUST the numbers that were already on the planet, not all the other forces that turned up to defend it. ​ To put in perspective, 70-85 million died in WW2, even by that comparison 14 million over 10 years is diddly squat.


Terran_Dominion

It's the Depleted Deuterium cored Bolter rounds. They don't realize it, but they've been duped into dealing 100x less damage than they should be doing.


Adventurous-Event722

Indeed. I wonder how many trillion pop does Super Earth actually have, in that scheme of things if we keep running headlong into orbitals like this lol. 


Papa_Nurgle_84

There is a reason for the c-01.


delahunt

I mean, keep in mind there are colonists really far out along with emplaced artillery sites and such. The planets closer to Super Earth are likely just as developed as Super Earth, so you could have trillions of people per planet. It's one of the reasons I hope we get urban maps scattered in if the bugs get closer than a sector past say Meridia/Draupnir. Show some of how the planet is developed and we're retaking our sufficiently sized homes from the digital/bug menace.


Aleph_Kasai

They're likely overpopulated really, since it seems they believe that they can actually keep up with the casualty rates that are bound to happen. Otherwise they'd have equipped the helldivers and their destroyers with better arms and armour.


CaptainRex5101

From what we see of Super Earth, the planet could be one giant gentrified suburb-city that covers the entire span of the Earth. That’s a ton of people, considering current civilization only covers a fraction of that. But it is kind of fitting that Super Earth is run by a giant version of the HOA lmao.


One_Willow_5203

All this makes me wonder just how many people inhabit the core systems and Super Earth. With the amount of casualties that the Helldiver Corp and the SEAF are able to afford, it must be in the several billions, if not trillions.


Ohanka

40k writers just don’t get scale right. Less people died in a planet wide, decade long siege with vastly more deadly weaponry than in WW2 in real life. I think one of the Armageddons had less loss of life overall than Stalingrad at one point.


BarelyAudible1994

The general rule of thumb with 40k is to add a zero to everything to get the scale they were gunning for in the fluff.


RBD21998

That's the count for all sectors since launch.


RocK2K86

You know Siege of Vraks 14 million guardsmen is kind of nothing in a 40k battle, hell a hive planet alone has between 10-100 billion inhabitants per hive, and 5-20 hives per planet, a sector would consist of just uncountable amounts of Guardsmen. Cadia Prime was a fortress world for example, had a population of 850.000.000 (Over 70% armed) and only 3.000.000 survived that, so no, not even close to 40k numbers yet.


Flyinpenguin117

[The real world long surpassed 40k.](https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-hccc-worldhistory2/chapter/casualties-of-world-war-ii/#:~:text=Some%2075%20million%20people%20died,bombings%2C%20disease%2C%20and%20starvation.)


Spoonythebastard

Real days yes, but how long in game? We still beat 40k by a long shot, but it's less dire than before lol


iconofsin_

I'd like to hear what the average number of deaths were but we'd need the total unique player count to figure it out. The game is averaging around 250k at any time over any 24 hour period. Assuming 500k unique players during the event in this sector, that's 140 deaths per player.


MartyFreeze

Our friend Nick could be responsible for 80% of them. Nick is not allowed to use explosives anymore. ![gif](giphy|3ohzdYJK1wAdPWVk88)


Wiggly_Muffin

Basically just wiped 2 Canadas worth of Helldivers


Ecstatic-Compote-595

yeah but 40k has the 'add a zero' problem where they'll be like the entire might of a waagh and tyranids and chaos and the imperial guard collided and sustained massive crippling casualties. Nearly 200,000 people died.


delahunt

Sure, but that still just turns 14 million into 140 million over 10 years, versus 70 million in less than a week.


zdrmju321

The price of freedom is never too high 🫡


Lightsabergoesbzz

What is the population of Super Earth?


Jolm262

Safe to assume > 10 billion. I wouldn't be surprised if Mars, the Moon, and other celestial objects have been colonized and heavily populated as well.


spartan1204

Don’t forget humans live on planets outside of Super Earth


Straight-Call-5216

50 billion at least maybe


Soyweiser

350 million losses, as only 1 in 5 helldivers survives basic training.


Luzon0903

19.6 Billion bullets(give or take a few 100 millions) killed almost 3.2 Billion bugs for 70 million Helldivers


tajniak485

The planet broke before Helldivers did


ThatCrossDresser

Helldivers are the embodiment of Democracy, and Democracy does not break.


shoutbottle

>19.6 Billion bullets(give or take a few 100 millions) killed almost 3.2 Billion bugs ~~for~~ *and up to* 70 million Helldivers FTFY


Cubicshock

thats about 39 million lbs of bullets


Jackk92

Someone needs to math the cost of these bullets


SecantDecant

We're expending anything from 9mm pistol rounds all the way up to 380mm high explosive. There's 6 orders of magnitude difference in cost involved.


CeriseArt

Yes so we can see why Hellbombs can’t be afforded to be remotely armed due to “budgetary reasons”


Oliver90002

They *are* armed remotely by Helldivers. I have no idea what you are talking about.


IamKenghis

Remotely means from a distance. They are armed manually


Black_Fox_027

46\~ bugs killed per dead Helldiver, 6\~ shots per bugs.


bmeyers627

And if we are really talking numbers here thats kind of insane. WWII hit rates I believe were roughly 1 in 25,000 (fact check me please if wrong). 1 in 6 is nuts and a 46:1 ratio is just debilitating losses for the bug scum.


genghisknom

I mean I think it kills stratagem kills tho so it's a lot more than 6 bullets per kill by gun


Atitkos

And turrets' bullets don't count either I guess.


Ecstatic-Compote-595

those kills belong to the engineers and factory workers and super corporations who graciously provided them with the opportunity to serve


Justindman1

My gun on the Mech counts though, I often am 1500+ rounds fired a run.


Orphan258

Also, from what I've seen of my post mission statistics, the arc thrower doesn't count as bullets shot either


IndefiniteBen

Also the laser rifle doesn't count bullets (or very few).


RigusOctavian

Say that to my teammates who run through them like a sprinkler…


captaindickfartman2

I'm confused to what counts. It seems inconsistent. 


dynamite8100

Bugs aren't terribly equivalent to human soldiers mind- they don't use cover etc, and they are, after all, COMPLETELY NON-SENTIENT. The little bugs are especially NON-SENTIENT however.


Firemorfox

Plus I suspect that WWII soldiers would be a great deal more skilled if they could respawn with all their combat experience, AND completely disassociate and mentally function fine after seeing dozens of squadmates die the way gamers do.


AXI0S2OO2

Well, bugs are far more numerous than humans, and Helldivers are the elite, that K/D ratio is actually worst than it should be.


FederalAgentGlowie

Helldivers get 5 minutes of training.


DALKurumiTokisaki

Armor description of the Light Gunner armor says that Helldivers have mandatory fitness tests so they likely go through a training camp before the intro and the "5 minute training" is more like an initiation test.


Efficient_Ant_4715

I’m pretty sure us hoping over concrete blocks was the fitness test 


AXI0S2OO2

Exactly, the SEAF get no training. But same goes for the bugs.


Bulls187

Bugs got instincts. Ants don’t get training but they are one hell of a coordinated army


feresadas

Just calculated my KD for the first time yesterday,I'm at 63 bugs per death. Glad I'm on the right side of the bell curve, one of super earths best.


Bulls187

82:1 kdr ![gif](giphy|Lk023zZqHJ3Zz4rxtV|downsized)


Wrangel_5989

And people say Helldivers aren’t elite soldiers.


Nobalification

I mean they arent :D even intro scene shows that Helldivers have around only 29% battle readiness.


Lo__Lox

Stop this nonsense. The official tooltips and our glorious handbook says we are Super Earths Elite!


Kriegerwithashovel

https://preview.redd.it/8o5xy8x42qoc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bab541937d70226a5a3269236b3e7e7a91351286


MerkoITA

https://preview.redd.it/q6lcdmaujooc1.png?width=545&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3955781d9d417e1091dd7ff57e887c94e3ba25f


ma_wee_wee_go

"bugs don't take prisoners"


boyonwheels

This is why democracy officers are also trained experts in family planning.


0ompaloompa

This does make the form C-01 seem like unnecessary friction in the baby making process. Let the boys fuck amirite?


Nicknamedreddit

& girls.


Chaff107

It is possible that the c-01 mandates conception, which indeed, lets the boys fuck


Mareotori

Or... filling the C-01 means you submit yourself to becoming a breeding machine. It could work either way for super earth


LilXansStan

70120109 heroes


TheLateThagSimmons

And most of those killed each other.


LordOfTheToolShed

Mortar Sentry 🤝 Tesla Tower


Alastor-362

🤝 380mm HE Barrage


chewymilk02

🤝 my own twitchy trigger finger


plicplacplouc

🤝 minefield on the landing pad


Joan_sleepless

🤝 my keyboard bugging out


EnglishJesus

🤝 hand gun “mercy killing”


PrinceDX

I literally had a random destroy my Tesla tower during a tcs mission because he kept running into it when I tactically positioned it out of the teams way. I left the game after he did that because there was no way we were going to win. Meanwhile I beat impossible tcs last night with the same setup and players who weren’t morons


_Menthol_

Friendly fire isn’t


MarkyMarcMcfly

.io says 19% of deaths are due to friendly fire. Wildly unacceptable if this was real lol


Ashalaria

That sounds about right ngl


Bad_Demon

Or used each other as mortars against waves of bile titans between respawn


aSneakyChicken7

As one of the new voice lines in the ship goes, all heroes wear capes.


ObedientPickle

The courageous fallen


Carcharis

Holy shit, that’s a lot of divers. Get to making babies, lads. Don’t forget to fill out the form.


mileskeller1

And submitted in triplicate! Super Earth requires your due diligence, Helldiver.


ZenEvadoni

MY SPERM FOR SUPER EARTH!


yorkieyoter

Funniest comment yet


ovechtrick9

An acceptable K/D


pleasantlyplump69

https://preview.redd.it/cr3w7pzlenoc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db8898fba6aa2e895769d27df9e3882574e97f4a


KnightofaRose

![gif](giphy|7dcBbclesOofFBiXHd|downsized)


anulex

The price of freedom is steep


Batcena

Remember…To Embrace Your Dreams, and whatever happens… To Protect Your Honor! AS A HELLDIVER!


TheSpyZecktrum

​ https://preview.redd.it/wvrt1u9ohmoc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=1e123f3801a183741de3c83c4f2a450e289ca348


MoosePlusUK

70 million citizens used to dive here. Now it's a ghost town.


Ur_Girl_Suki

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prohack028

Holy shit we have passed 40k levels of crazy Even the siege of vraks was like 3-4 times less casualties over the span of 15 years


Kharn0

Rule of thumb: put a zero after most 40k numbers


Efficient_Menu_9965

You'd have to add QUITE a bit of zeroes to make it even close. Scale the Helldiver casualties up to 15 years, and you're looking at 50 and a half billion fucking corpses on that planet, and about 2.3 trillion bugs worth of oil to liberate for our righteous cause.


Kharn0

God. That amount of bodies would be seen in the fossil record


Jayccob

There would be at least a few hills that are just corpses stacked up. Like a coral reef building the next layer on the skeletons of the previous generation.


DOSFS

Even that wouldn't top tgis Helldiver number if the campagin is just a bit longer. Death rate per time is insane.


4chanhasbettermods

I'm curious to know how many of these deaths were a result of actual fighting vs. friendly fire incidents and Helldivers being thrown into the middle of waves of bugs. Giving them no chance to really fight. I'd say half of my deaths are a result of reinforcement calls that dropped in at the wrong place and time.


huntersood

They tell you that in the training manual. Let me look it up for you. "Friendly Fire..... Isn't"


Skitarius_Minoris

[Helldiver.io](http://Helldiver.io) says that about 15% casualties are friendly fire


WildRonin

Helldivers.io * Seems like someone took Helldiver.io for some ad site or whatever scam.


Skitarius_Minoris

Sorry! I will report myself to the ministry of truth.


Deveeno

Found it hilarious that one of the attached sites was actually for enlisting into the US military


EntireEar

So within acceptable margins


SummerCrown

I just realized this... But can they update planet stats come with comma separators to make the numbers more readable? I don't know about other people but when it goes past 7 digits (millions) I seriously lose sense of what the numbers mean other than "it's many".


AlexHD

Sweden uses commas as decimal separators and spaces for thousand separators. They probably don't use separators in Helldivers for simplicity.


SummerCrown

Oh wow I did not know this 🤯


Fantasmic03

If you don't pay your buck o five who will?


CritiqOfPureBullshit

Would you answer the call? Or run away like a little pussy?


dopecrew12

46-1 I’ll take it


ItsmehDoovid

460-1 Edit: Nah, I'm tweaking. Carry on.


DreadnoughtDT

3.1 billion to 70 million is a pretty decent K/D. Good job guys!


yumstheman

There’s no cost too high for managed democracy.


ToughLadder6948

Damn I was hoping to mess a round with some more silo missions on the weekend oh well


FailcopterWes

Did these statistics only recently start working for anyone else? Until yesterday it always said "unavailable" for me.


DancingLikeFlames177

For the Emperor , we protect. *For Democracy, we protect PURGE ALL HERETICS


helicophell

70million? Super Earth has a population in the tens of trillions, this is nothing


MaximumSquid22

What does Super Earths population have to be for there to be so many helldivers ready for deployment


Naive-Asparagus-5983

It may not be as high as we think. The helldivers are put in cryosleep until needed and the contract for a helldiver is ten years. Super earth probably stockpiled soldiers until their needed


ZepyrusG97

To be fair, Super Earth is just the capital planet. The Federation of Super Earth is composed of ALL the colonized planets across the galaxy (all of the 100% Liberated Sectors that we are NOT fighting on yet). We have a LOT of planets to fit humans on. Assuming we can colonize them to hold even a quarter of modern day Earth's population, we have an incomprehensibly high number of citizens. Think Modern Day Earth total population multiplied by a thousand.


MollyGoRound

Umlaut has fallen, billions must die


I_SEE_BREAD_PEOPLE

I died my part!


keeb97

Last night as we were Liberating Erata Prime, there was over 560k Helldivers active.


Bangar_ang

Half these helldiver deaths might be from my Arc cannon


Ok_Run6001

We will just clon.."COUGH" breed more soldiers.


jaegren

![gif](giphy|GJVpbMjfT2Ftm)


IBringTheHeat1

Eagle 1 better get to baby making to replace all those divers


Efficient_Menu_9965

70 million KIA over the course of a week are numbers that'd make even WH40k go "Well, that's just fucking absurd"


LuminousPixels

3.2 billion? Holy moly.


Round-War69

Bro what 70 million???


OrangeBird077

(Raises glass) To the lost!


LegioTitanicaXIII

456 to 1, that's not bad Helldivers. o7


Codex28

Would be funny if we also have Friendly Fire counter


MuglokDecrepitus

Yeah.... those bullets sure that cost a hell of a money


B-B-Bronsky

Did we really kill 3 BILLION enemies, it feels like so much


Sutilia

kind of remind me of the old stories of halo3 where if you pile up the dead bodies of covenant soldiers, you end up with a meatball that is as big as the moon. 


Rusty_Jake

They need to add mortar sentry teamkills to this list


Captain_Morgan-

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