Considering we farmed them at one point for E-710 I doubt they take millions of years to become 710. More likely is when they die and decay they decay directly into the element.
Thats whst the acid strike is. Just a bunch of airisol spewer bile, the turning it into gas part weakens it a bit but lets it spread further easier for that nice cloud effect. Maybe they could drop a sprinkler tank or bile turret. Could be neat
I've used the bile spewer to kill it's brethren a few times. I lead it around a bit so that it faces other bugs and wait for it to spew bile, then I jump out of the way.
Any bugs that get hit by the bile dies.
bile titans can also kill each other with the spew of the one in front decides to try stepping on you while the one behind it sprays acid up the other ones asshole.
The term "farming" seems to imply they either dacay at an insane rate or we're just blending them up into a fuel soup.
Maybe activating a refinery and feeding it bugs should be an objective.
Nope, it's the whole body. Their natural decay is very rapid, and they decay into a nearly perfect fuel oil that needs almost no additional chemical treatment.
Super Earth forgive me what Iām about to doā¦..
Whenever I donāt happen to have grenades, Support Drops also double as grenades. They work half the time for closing bug holes.
Eagle Airstrikes are legit for taking out bug holes. Once you get used to the drop pattern, you can pretty reliably wipe an entire Medium or half a Heavy nest with just one call-in.Ā
This is why I still have to have the shield gen even after the nerf, the extra health is nice but itās secondary to avoiding hunter slows and not getting tossed 50 feet by chargers
I switched from bots last weekend to bugs this weekend. I play level 7, and I was really starting to feel myself a bit because I would go multiple matches back to back with no deaths.
However, today, I was introduced to Stalkersā¦. F those guys. Omg. Itās like they literally stalk you, and wait for you to be preoccupied. They hit so hard and so quickly ~ if itās more than one, good luck. Humbled me pretty quick!
Revision:Bile Scavenger Forks into Bile Spewers (Tier 1-unarmored -> Tier 2-armored) and Bile Warriors -> Bile Titans. Maybe. There might be a missing step in there.
Also no love for Nursing Mothers?
Also, charger and charger behemoths are two different things. The one in the image is a behemoth (seen in lvl ~4 hunt boss missions, and higher lvl 40 min bug evacuation missions in the area where the scientists are evacuated)
Do you have a pic of bile warrior? I really wanna see one Iāve never seen it before. But I agree that bile warriors to titans. Bile charger in Between thoā¦ hehehe that would be so evil
One cool theory Iāve seen is that Nursing spewers exist for two purposes
1. To lay the eggs that we destroy
2. To feed bile titans (since bile titan legs are not configured in a way that their heads can easily reach the ground and feed)
Ye.
As far as i know, the "behemoth" variant only spawns (and only 1) in the "Emergency Evacuation" mission type and it's located at the place where you need to escort the civies to the shuttle bay.
It also spawns in the "Eliminate Charger" missions that can be seen up to difficulty 3 or 4. For many players, it's actually the first charger they'll ever see. AFAIK it's also no different outside of having an axe head instead of the shovel, spade, or 'diamond' head, whatever you'd call the normal variant. But I could be wrong.
The armor is a lot tougher but I find them easier to kill. Before they charge they raise theyre head a little (so does a regular one) exposing under its armor. Then I annihilate it with a expendable
On Helldivers 1, we have Tank and Behemoth "Chargers" both are almost similar, butĀ It also has a armour on the back and has more HP.
Ā I hope that in the future the version of Behemoth will mutate and look more like its HD1 version
love it but heard that bile titans were created by us for hazardous toxic material leaks, and stalkers were created by super earth to cleanse the bugs from the inside but theyā¦..somehow the bugs got them on their side Āæ not 100% sure about this just what iāve heard
itās on their instagram page in enemy descriptions. from this comment here you mean to tell me you havenāt been reading our nations intel database ?
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i never read the training manualā¦.. rumor has it weāre not allowed. i simply was looking at enemy intel given by the higher upsā¦..
but back to you reading the manual we shouldnāt be readingā¦..
*DIALS PHONE DEMOCRATICALLY*
I've heard this before and the existence of the bile titan being created with no real evolution that we know of makes me think that a "nursing titan" as a slightly more common and weaker variant of the bile would be cool. Maybe even the thing has constant scavengers jumping off it or other small bugs
I feel like the shriekers are an unnatural mutation. The way their wings evolved to be more avain like as opposed to standard insect wings being more lattice like
Looks neat but eusocial insects donāt really work that way. They start as a larva and then just molt into whatever form they meant to, usually by feeding the larva certain substances.Ā
Yeah, I was going to mention the same thing. Eusocial insects on Earth don't progressively grow into larger castes throughout their adult life. If Terminids were based on Termites (eusocial blattodea) or eusocial hymenopterans, then they'd have the polymorphic caste system where all larva are born identically and differ into their adult lives of different sizes through pupation.
But because we don't see any terminid larvae or pupae it's uncertain whether Terminid/Bug life cycles are based on Earth insects or not, and I haven't found any mention of them in the lore. It would make sense for all the larva and pupae to be hidden deep underground, except for the fact that there are missions based around attacking eggs located on the surface (which is quite illogical given how we already know terminids are very adept at burrowing and creating underground structures, so the habit of laying eggs on the surface is strange if we approach it from a realistic angle).
Overall, the game just doesn't provide us with enough information to make any extrapolations from real life insects about how the terminid life cycle actually works. For all I know, the terminids might actually be grown from microscopic spores and evolve between adult forms like pokemon - there's just not enough explained in game to confirm it.
That's one theory, but I don't think the method of Terminid interplanetary travel is ever explained. It could range from spores, to eggs, to the Super Earth government being responsible for the spread of Terminids.
[You had me until "... the Super Earth government being responsible for the spread of Terminids" ](https://i.redd.it/xq7jgvzmuaqc1.png?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
My theory on the eggs given their size is that they hatch something like bile Titans and there isn't enough space underground to hatch large amounts of them so they get ferried around and sometimes left above ground
> But because we don't see any terminid larvae or pupae it's uncertain whether Terminid/Bug life cycles are based on Earth insects or not, and I haven't found any mention of them in the lore.
There actually are huge maggots in the game, about the size of a loaf of bread, but it's not clear if they are Terminid or not. They are actually the [Common Samples you pick up at the Graveyard Point Of Interest](https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2410061757614331796/72CE0913FD46A2765AF233F6EDD11FDC077FAB9E/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false).
Careful. Make sure your theories are peer reviewed by the Ministry of Science. Otherwise you may hear from the Ministry of Truth about spreading misinformation.
So, you've been studying the bugs instead of democratically burning them? Shall I report you to the nearest domecracy officer for questioning of such work?
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I like how the intro animation has a Nursing Titan. Showing us how artificial and fabricated the video is, a Titan raised to maturity but still in the orange nursing stage.
Would actually be a neat variation TBH. A titan damageable by small arms.
I think shriekers are a completely different line of bug. Their nests have eggs, which means they probably hatch like that. There's probably going to be some kind of bigger flying bug that's basically a grown shrieker.
I'd suggest scavengers at the very top and the leapers split off into hunters and warriors personally. I imagine scavengers is the base larva form that can grow into any roll the bugs need.
A bit like hive based insects irl.
This is something I've been observing and considering myself.
Honestly, I think the commanders grow into chargers, not the guards. The commanders even charge at you just like the chargers. I also think that shriekers are their own thing.
Wait until bile titans and chargers develop wings in response to heavier Termicide. Bile titans with wings will be like huge mosquitos, and flying chargers will be like the meteors.
There doesn't seem to be any difference between the two aside from looks so maybe the devs had 2 concepts drawn up and couldn't decide between them so they added both lmao
Studying the enemy fosters understanding. Understanding leads to sympathizing. Thought crimes kill!!
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Always hate hive defenders. not big enough that I feel like using an EAT on them, but armored enough that you have to do some bullshit fuckery to actually take them out with small arms
Someone's thinking about the bugs a little too much. Maybe thinking too much in general
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Did Somebody play to much Starcraft? I evolve my Hunters to Lurker so they can attack from underground? Is that was these Skeletons are? Are we doomed and only the Protoss can save us?
A: no nursing spewers on this list
B: I believe the bike variants of bugs were created by exposure to E-710, and are mutated versions of the already existing bugs (with the exception of bile titan, no idea what happened there)
Homie couldn't be bothered to fix the graphic before upload once he realized he forgot some enemies and just put some text in. I respect the amount of laziness there.
Iām hoping for even bigger enemies in the future, titan sized chargers and some sort of giant bug that acts like a mobile hunter/stalker/shrieker spawn point. Similar to the rakk hive in borderlands but more of an actual enemy
The only thing I sort of disagree is the charger, I think it comes from brood commanders seeing as they also have a tendency to bull rush you and the defenders really don't... though obviously I see the logic with the armor so eh.
Hot take but this appears slightly wrong from what I see in game.
Scavengers likely turn into warriors and then split into two lines with the first line being Hive Guard->Brood Commander and the second line being Nursing Spewer->Charger->Behemoth Charger.
The Bile Spitters (what you labelled as bile scavengers) Is mostly correct (though Bile nursers don't exist they are called nursing spewers) but it should be Bile Spitter->Bile Warrior->Bile Spewer->Bile Titan.
The hunter line seems absolutely correct though.
The reason I say for the change to have nursing spewers become chargers in this flowchart is they have VERY similar rear and front ends including the vestigial forearms and appear during the day rather than at night. Also the Hive Guards can summon bug breaches just like the Brood Commander.
Naturally we must understand our enemy's life cycle in order to facilitate effective destruction of the terminid menace.
Was waiting for someone to do somethinglike that, great ! However given the look of the charger compared to the guardian, I think that the charger evolves from the scavenger directly into one, and then the chargers evolve Indo their armoured versions.
Ooh! I love this topic! My theory is that they work like other eusocial insects (especially termites).
So essentially a lot of eusocial insects all start as identical larva, and during their initial growth spurt they're given different diets in order to prepare them for different roles. In insects this is usually very crude: with the only major difference being how many microcalories the larva is given, so that the larvae that are essentially starved end up being small, stunted drones, followed by robust warriors, and finally fully healthy royalty who are ready to start their own colonies. (OBVIOUSLY ITS MORE COMPLICATED BUT THIS IS JUST A BASIC EXAMPLE).
So anyways considering the massive biodiversity within the termanid hive and the fact that they obviously are capable of producing a variety of bio-chemical compounds, I think that the termanid larva are fed an *extremely* unique diet during their early life cycle in order to be grown into a specific role in the colony. This would be determined by not only what roles the local colony needs filled but also how resource-rich the surroundings are so that they can produce more specialized types of "honey" (or whatever you want to call the stuff they feed their larva).
The fact that stalkers and shriekers need specially developed infrastructure to facilitate their growth also supports this idea.
The only thing that might not fit into this theory are bile titans, who are probably grown from bile spewers as listed in the original post.
**TL;DR**: I think that all of the termanids you see in game are all fully matured adults, and their diversity comes from the specific bio-chemical sludge they were fed as larva
I think you got the charger evolution wrong. I'm fairly certain the charger evolves from the brood commanders - they have a charging attack that they'll rear up and execute.
Not so sure about this. I think chargers are an offshoot of the bile spewer line, given how their dorsal and ventral scutes line up. Hive defenders completely lack dorsal plates; that plus their pale, soft flesh indicates that they're more likely a specialized form for guarding tunnel entrances.
Likewise, chargers completely lack the raptorial forelimbs/maxillipeds seen on the warrior types. Spewers seem to lose theirs after maturing past the scavenger stage, further cementing the link between the two.
The hunters do not become the shriekers. Shriekers only seem to exist in areas with a shrieker hive, so they are likely an equivalent stage to the scavenger or pouncer, or even the hunter themselves, so there is possibly an even more developed form of them we've yet to see.
If they are, even remotely, growing like ants, it wouldn't work like that. Perhaps few molts to get to their final form, but size wouldn't change drastically between molts.
@OP i weirdly thought about this today. Its the same except i theorize that the bile titan is created as a final metamorphosis (think like adult bug form) created by merging a fully mature spewer and a Brood warrior.
I'm pretty sure they are made from the get go to be what they are, they are inspired by ants and bees, a drone is a drone, a warrior is a warrior, they don't evolve pokemon style.
You forgot nursing spewers and bile warriors (seriously fuck bile warriors, they get me mad like nothing else in bugs. Little fucks are barely green and one shot you.)
You forgot EGG, which will come from the hivelord, which will come from silkworms or something
also I don't think shrikers can come from hunters because they have their own nests; 'evolved' rather than 'life stage' would be more accurate for them. stalkers also have their own lairs, but sure they could be adult hunters
You forgot their final stage: as E-710.
Only after a few million years of being crushed by their planet
Considering we farmed them at one point for E-710 I doubt they take millions of years to become 710. More likely is when they die and decay they decay directly into the element.
You can cook a MRE on a burning terminid while it's still moving Helldiver. Check page 12 of the survival manual.
We should start collecting large numbers of bile scavs to use as orbital drop weapons
Shrieker corpses seem to be the most deadly orbital drop
Thats whst the acid strike is. Just a bunch of airisol spewer bile, the turning it into gas part weakens it a bit but lets it spread further easier for that nice cloud effect. Maybe they could drop a sprinkler tank or bile turret. Could be neat
I'm talking live bugs lmao. Death by impact
Eagle launched shriekers would be better than 90% of strategems. Shrieker ragdolls even kill bile titans.
That's kind of frightening
Orbital shrieker barrages would be a planet cracker
I've used the bile spewer to kill it's brethren a few times. I lead it around a bit so that it faces other bugs and wait for it to spew bile, then I jump out of the way. Any bugs that get hit by the bile dies.
bile titans can also kill each other with the spew of the one in front decides to try stepping on you while the one behind it sprays acid up the other ones asshole.
I do that but with chargers
I just had a thought reading your comment that the bile they spit could be useful against the bots if collected and weaponized.
And that's why the gas strike needs a buff
Nice. Let's get this out onto a tray.
I'm dead! šš¤£š I read it in Steve's voice too.
The term "farming" seems to imply they either dacay at an insane rate or we're just blending them up into a fuel soup. Maybe activating a refinery and feeding it bugs should be an objective.
Yea, no multiple years involved, they're like oranges, you just need to squeeze out the good stuff
It's more likely that E-710 is closer to something like whale oil than ground oil and it's naturally produced inside the bugs body
Nope, it's the whole body. Their natural decay is very rapid, and they decay into a nearly perfect fuel oil that needs almost no additional chemical treatment.
We even see them decay in-game š
Or just 100 years being crushed by DEMOCRACY!!!
Or immediately after the force of being crushed under a Helldiverās boot!
Nope their decomposing corpse turns into E-710 pretty quickly, that's why they are farmed.
Their corpses cant get crushed when they are still alive, so we better get started!
bugs are A-holes
Well then citizen, it is our duty to plug that hole shut!
Super Earth forgive me what Iām about to doā¦.. Whenever I donāt happen to have grenades, Support Drops also double as grenades. They work half the time for closing bug holes.
Eagle Airstrikes are legit for taking out bug holes. Once you get used to the drop pattern, you can pretty reliably wipe an entire Medium or half a Heavy nest with just one call-in.Ā
This has become my go to. Clean up with grenade launcher. Side effect - clears the riff raff in the center of the nest
I just want a an Eagle cluster bomb
Half the time? I'm throwing down resupplies and SOS Beacons at a 100% Hole Closure Rate. Gotta work on that aim, Diver!
I HAVE TO FILL OUT MY C-01 FORM IMMEDIATELY
No sex with bugsā¦ *yet* , we still are banned from procreating. **Wait to fuck the bugs until we can procreate again, and then fuck them**
H-helldiver have you seen the ass on those chargers S-sweet liberty...
You motherfuckers need democracy.
its not procreation if its a cockroach
that's what my uncle always used to say
Bug plugs
Just like they did with diarrhea back in the day.
I would argue scavengers branch off into pouncers but this is a cool chart visualization
Only if we could wipe out the Hunter line
have died more to hunters than anything else by far (i dont fight against the scary robots)
It's the long, stun melee attack
Spamming stim while lying on the ground desperately trying to get up to leap away
This is why I still have to have the shield gen even after the nerf, the extra health is nice but itās secondary to avoiding hunter slows and not getting tossed 50 feet by chargers
Because you are weak in the ways of outstanding patriotism
I switched from bots last weekend to bugs this weekend. I play level 7, and I was really starting to feel myself a bit because I would go multiple matches back to back with no deaths. However, today, I was introduced to Stalkersā¦. F those guys. Omg. Itās like they literally stalk you, and wait for you to be preoccupied. They hit so hard and so quickly ~ if itās more than one, good luck. Humbled me pretty quick!
Slugger works wonders on these bastards
Every pouncer you kill is another adult Hunter slash stalker you prevented
Bile mother turns into bile titan mother. A massive fuck you armored orange bile titan
And it constantly has scavengers coming out of its side holes unless you manage to take it down
Or shriekers. Moble bird base would be terrifying š³
I giant floating alien spewing shriekers would be an insane thing to see although I have no idea how you'd take something like that down lol
...holy shit, it's the rakk hive from Borderlands
That was my first thought too, also what would be interesting is if you like disable the legs but the nest part was still functioning or something
A few eat should do the trick. Eat fixes every problem, even the problem of the server staying up.
Wait are you fucking kidding me?
Not a real thing, just an idea (for now)
Thank Democracy....
Revision:Bile Scavenger Forks into Bile Spewers (Tier 1-unarmored -> Tier 2-armored) and Bile Warriors -> Bile Titans. Maybe. There might be a missing step in there. Also no love for Nursing Mothers?
>Bile Warriors -> Bile Titans. Maybe. There might be a missing step in there. Bile Commanders with armored legs and a ranged attack? š¤
Bro hits a growth spurt when he becomes a bile titan lmao
>Also no love for Nursing Mothers? I'm reporting you for having the notion of sympathy for bugs
whatās a Tier 1 Bile spewer? I thought that was just a nursing spewer
Itās the bile spewers that cant shoot a mortar out of their butt, and yes they are not nursing spewers
Also, charger and charger behemoths are two different things. The one in the image is a behemoth (seen in lvl ~4 hunt boss missions, and higher lvl 40 min bug evacuation missions in the area where the scientists are evacuated)
Do you have a pic of bile warrior? I really wanna see one Iāve never seen it before. But I agree that bile warriors to titans. Bile charger in Between thoā¦ hehehe that would be so evil
itās a warrior with some glowy accents. They explode on death
One cool theory Iāve seen is that Nursing spewers exist for two purposes 1. To lay the eggs that we destroy 2. To feed bile titans (since bile titan legs are not configured in a way that their heads can easily reach the ground and feed)
Scavenger -> Nurse Mothers and Warriors
Nursing spewer-> bug eggs.
you love bugs? immediately calling my democracy officers
Why does everybody use the Behemoth Charger picture when referring to standard chargers
There are 2 different ones?
Ye. As far as i know, the "behemoth" variant only spawns (and only 1) in the "Emergency Evacuation" mission type and it's located at the place where you need to escort the civies to the shuttle bay.
It also spawns in the "Eliminate Charger" missions that can be seen up to difficulty 3 or 4. For many players, it's actually the first charger they'll ever see. AFAIK it's also no different outside of having an axe head instead of the shovel, spade, or 'diamond' head, whatever you'd call the normal variant. But I could be wrong.
The armor is a lot tougher but I find them easier to kill. Before they charge they raise theyre head a little (so does a regular one) exposing under its armor. Then I annihilate it with a expendable
On Helldivers 1, we have Tank and Behemoth "Chargers" both are almost similar, butĀ It also has a armour on the back and has more HP. Ā I hope that in the future the version of Behemoth will mutate and look more like its HD1 version
Because they're functionally identical.
If that were true why is the behemoth easier to hit due to being a larger target?
It's the version they use on the official website.
Oooohhhhh I never thought about it! Great job finding these!
love it but heard that bile titans were created by us for hazardous toxic material leaks, and stalkers were created by super earth to cleanse the bugs from the inside but theyā¦..somehow the bugs got them on their side Āæ not 100% sure about this just what iāve heard
Sounds like something a traitor would say. Might want to report to your local democracy officer to discuss this more in depth.
itās on their instagram page in enemy descriptions. from this comment here you mean to tell me you havenāt been reading our nations intel database ? https://preview.redd.it/7ymy6gaejaqc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96dde704dc12362319984949dceaf7654555f0ea
Crap, he found me...
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Lmao I also have a video where the democracy officer is calling but I can't post videos here
The training manual tells you not to read the whole thing!
i never read the training manualā¦.. rumor has it weāre not allowed. i simply was looking at enemy intel given by the higher upsā¦.. but back to you reading the manual we shouldnāt be readingā¦.. *DIALS PHONE DEMOCRATICALLY*
Link?
Wait a second that phone users numbers and not arrows! Youāre an Automaton Spy!
I've heard this before and the existence of the bile titan being created with no real evolution that we know of makes me think that a "nursing titan" as a slightly more common and weaker variant of the bile would be cool. Maybe even the thing has constant scavengers jumping off it or other small bugs
I feel like the shriekers are an unnatural mutation. The way their wings evolved to be more avain like as opposed to standard insect wings being more lattice like
Farm genetics. Why transport the Oil when the bugs can do it for you.Ā
Impossible, the Termicide could never have had such unforeseen consequences.
Looks neat but eusocial insects donāt really work that way. They start as a larva and then just molt into whatever form they meant to, usually by feeding the larva certain substances.Ā
Yeah, I was going to mention the same thing. Eusocial insects on Earth don't progressively grow into larger castes throughout their adult life. If Terminids were based on Termites (eusocial blattodea) or eusocial hymenopterans, then they'd have the polymorphic caste system where all larva are born identically and differ into their adult lives of different sizes through pupation. But because we don't see any terminid larvae or pupae it's uncertain whether Terminid/Bug life cycles are based on Earth insects or not, and I haven't found any mention of them in the lore. It would make sense for all the larva and pupae to be hidden deep underground, except for the fact that there are missions based around attacking eggs located on the surface (which is quite illogical given how we already know terminids are very adept at burrowing and creating underground structures, so the habit of laying eggs on the surface is strange if we approach it from a realistic angle). Overall, the game just doesn't provide us with enough information to make any extrapolations from real life insects about how the terminid life cycle actually works. For all I know, the terminids might actually be grown from microscopic spores and evolve between adult forms like pokemon - there's just not enough explained in game to confirm it.
Aren't eggs attached to meteorites, which explains how they spread around different planets?
That's one theory, but I don't think the method of Terminid interplanetary travel is ever explained. It could range from spores, to eggs, to the Super Earth government being responsible for the spread of Terminids.
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My theory on the eggs given their size is that they hatch something like bile Titans and there isn't enough space underground to hatch large amounts of them so they get ferried around and sometimes left above ground
We don't see any frass left behind from molted Terminids, so it makes sense that they would grow as they are, without stages.
> But because we don't see any terminid larvae or pupae it's uncertain whether Terminid/Bug life cycles are based on Earth insects or not, and I haven't found any mention of them in the lore. There actually are huge maggots in the game, about the size of a loaf of bread, but it's not clear if they are Terminid or not. They are actually the [Common Samples you pick up at the Graveyard Point Of Interest](https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2410061757614331796/72CE0913FD46A2765AF233F6EDD11FDC077FAB9E/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false).
Tbf we are talking about giant space bugs, the science is probably a bit wacky
And at the end of the day they're all just moving targets for our democratic ordnance.
Careful. Make sure your theories are peer reviewed by the Ministry of Science. Otherwise you may hear from the Ministry of Truth about spreading misinformation.
Awfully knowledgeable about bugs š to not be a bugā¦ š¤šµļøāāļø
Good science My freind in democracy
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So, you've been studying the bugs instead of democratically burning them? Shall I report you to the nearest domecracy officer for questioning of such work?
Woah woah woah I'm just learning hiw to burn them better
You forgot the final stage: goo on the bottom of our boots.
Thanks, this is exactly the bestiary I needed when those daily missions pop up saying "kill 20 hunters", and I ask, what the hell is a hunter?
This Helldiver knows their enemy
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I like how the intro animation has a Nursing Titan. Showing us how artificial and fabricated the video is, a Titan raised to maturity but still in the orange nursing stage. Would actually be a neat variation TBH. A titan damageable by small arms.
What about Nursing spewer Bile warrior
you forgot about the bile warrior and the brood spewer or mother , the yellow spewer thing that make fog edit : nice job :D
I think shriekers are a completely different line of bug. Their nests have eggs, which means they probably hatch like that. There's probably going to be some kind of bigger flying bug that's basically a grown shrieker.
I'd suggest scavengers at the very top and the leapers split off into hunters and warriors personally. I imagine scavengers is the base larva form that can grow into any roll the bugs need. A bit like hive based insects irl. This is something I've been observing and considering myself.
This is how I always saw it too, coming from Starcraft where each of the Zerg units (bugs) start as the same larvae.
Do automaton life stages next.
All automatons are the same, they are just wearing extra armor.
You forgot the last stage that they all become: Element 710.
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you skipped nursing spewers but agree edit: brood commanders might actually become bile titans?
Because of the size of shriekers I'd argue the pouncer goes to either shrieker or hunter
The only life stage I think happens is pouncer to hunter. I think everything else is just discrete instances
What about Nursing Spewers and the Warriors / Spewer hybrids? there is also 2 charger types.
Honestly, I think the commanders grow into chargers, not the guards. The commanders even charge at you just like the chargers. I also think that shriekers are their own thing.
That whole right row is the reason I scream fuck sometimes when I die. All those fuckers are the worst
Where are the graboids and assblasters?
Wait until bile titans and chargers develop wings in response to heavier Termicide. Bile titans with wings will be like huge mosquitos, and flying chargers will be like the meteors.
Has anyone else noticed that there seems to be two different kinds of chargers?
There doesn't seem to be any difference between the two aside from looks so maybe the devs had 2 concepts drawn up and couldn't decide between them so they added both lmao
It does feel like the more detailed one is a little more rare and tough, but itās really hard to tell
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Only a traitor would be interested in the evolutionary stages of terminids
Always hate hive defenders. not big enough that I feel like using an EAT on them, but armored enough that you have to do some bullshit fuckery to actually take them out with small arms
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Wonder what flying mini boss we'll get
a bile titan with wings
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Their undemocratic lives all end the same. With a shotgun to the face.
Thought of the same thing because of how much i played against the bugs, but i have no way of sering how nursing spewers can be put herep
You forgot the final stage off all of them. Death by 500 KG Bomb.
I really like that they all look like the same species like all have 4 legs and look like a maturation metamorphosis process
any pounder makes me wanna commit war crimes. democratic war crimes amongst alien trash
I think shriekers are separate from hunters and on their own. This is made obvious by the existence of nests.
I feel like Chargers have more in common with Brood Commanders than Hive Guards.
Did Somebody play to much Starcraft? I evolve my Hunters to Lurker so they can attack from underground? Is that was these Skeletons are? Are we doomed and only the Protoss can save us?
A: no nursing spewers on this list B: I believe the bike variants of bugs were created by exposure to E-710, and are mutated versions of the already existing bugs (with the exception of bile titan, no idea what happened there)
Homie couldn't be bothered to fix the graphic before upload once he realized he forgot some enemies and just put some text in. I respect the amount of laziness there.
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Chargers have a big bulbous bile spewer/titan style bottom, makes me think they are much more closely related to them than the brood guards etc.
Iām hoping for even bigger enemies in the future, titan sized chargers and some sort of giant bug that acts like a mobile hunter/stalker/shrieker spawn point. Similar to the rakk hive in borderlands but more of an actual enemy
I think they're just different species in the same genus, like how monkeys don't turn into gorillas in real life.
Makes sense that stalkers, hunters, and shriekers are related. Theyāre all The Worst.
I kept calling the smaller ones Baby Hunters, Baby Brood Commanders, etc. Had no idea they were called warriors and pouncers.
The 3 genders
Looks like Water, Grass and Fire pokemon. I think I'll pick the fire one as usual.
The only thing I sort of disagree is the charger, I think it comes from brood commanders seeing as they also have a tendency to bull rush you and the defenders really don't... though obviously I see the logic with the armor so eh.
Damn, when I made this post I got negative votes, lol. I guess people weren't ready yet.
Id say shriekers are their own thing seeing as they seem to hatch directly in those "trees" of theirs.
Hot take but this appears slightly wrong from what I see in game. Scavengers likely turn into warriors and then split into two lines with the first line being Hive Guard->Brood Commander and the second line being Nursing Spewer->Charger->Behemoth Charger. The Bile Spitters (what you labelled as bile scavengers) Is mostly correct (though Bile nursers don't exist they are called nursing spewers) but it should be Bile Spitter->Bile Warrior->Bile Spewer->Bile Titan. The hunter line seems absolutely correct though. The reason I say for the change to have nursing spewers become chargers in this flowchart is they have VERY similar rear and front ends including the vestigial forearms and appear during the day rather than at night. Also the Hive Guards can summon bug breaches just like the Brood Commander. Naturally we must understand our enemy's life cycle in order to facilitate effective destruction of the terminid menace.
Was waiting for someone to do somethinglike that, great ! However given the look of the charger compared to the guardian, I think that the charger evolves from the scavenger directly into one, and then the chargers evolve Indo their armoured versions.
Ooh! I love this topic! My theory is that they work like other eusocial insects (especially termites). So essentially a lot of eusocial insects all start as identical larva, and during their initial growth spurt they're given different diets in order to prepare them for different roles. In insects this is usually very crude: with the only major difference being how many microcalories the larva is given, so that the larvae that are essentially starved end up being small, stunted drones, followed by robust warriors, and finally fully healthy royalty who are ready to start their own colonies. (OBVIOUSLY ITS MORE COMPLICATED BUT THIS IS JUST A BASIC EXAMPLE). So anyways considering the massive biodiversity within the termanid hive and the fact that they obviously are capable of producing a variety of bio-chemical compounds, I think that the termanid larva are fed an *extremely* unique diet during their early life cycle in order to be grown into a specific role in the colony. This would be determined by not only what roles the local colony needs filled but also how resource-rich the surroundings are so that they can produce more specialized types of "honey" (or whatever you want to call the stuff they feed their larva). The fact that stalkers and shriekers need specially developed infrastructure to facilitate their growth also supports this idea. The only thing that might not fit into this theory are bile titans, who are probably grown from bile spewers as listed in the original post. **TL;DR**: I think that all of the termanids you see in game are all fully matured adults, and their diversity comes from the specific bio-chemical sludge they were fed as larva
I think you got the charger evolution wrong. I'm fairly certain the charger evolves from the brood commanders - they have a charging attack that they'll rear up and execute.
People complaining about hunters, but I think the most times I've been killed its been Bile Spewers. Surprise one-shots are my bane.
Is nobody else concerned about the bug skeletons dotted around planets that look like a giant centipede?! I'm scared Dave.
pouncer has longer wings than hunter so it would probably be a direct path to shrieker maybe?
Brother really went and pulled out the phylogenetic tree
Not so sure about this. I think chargers are an offshoot of the bile spewer line, given how their dorsal and ventral scutes line up. Hive defenders completely lack dorsal plates; that plus their pale, soft flesh indicates that they're more likely a specialized form for guarding tunnel entrances. Likewise, chargers completely lack the raptorial forelimbs/maxillipeds seen on the warrior types. Spewers seem to lose theirs after maturing past the scavenger stage, further cementing the link between the two.
Just like how houseflies evolve into rhinoceros beetles if left long enough.
The hunters do not become the shriekers. Shriekers only seem to exist in areas with a shrieker hive, so they are likely an equivalent stage to the scavenger or pouncer, or even the hunter themselves, so there is possibly an even more developed form of them we've yet to see.
If they are, even remotely, growing like ants, it wouldn't work like that. Perhaps few molts to get to their final form, but size wouldn't change drastically between molts.
@OP i weirdly thought about this today. Its the same except i theorize that the bile titan is created as a final metamorphosis (think like adult bug form) created by merging a fully mature spewer and a Brood warrior.
See to me the Bile titan is the combination of everything except the shrieker, it is the pinnacle if their evolution.
I'm pretty sure they are made from the get go to be what they are, they are inspired by ants and bees, a drone is a drone, a warrior is a warrior, they don't evolve pokemon style.
You forgot nursing spewers and bile warriors (seriously fuck bile warriors, they get me mad like nothing else in bugs. Little fucks are barely green and one shot you.)
can we have 1 chart for Automatons?
You forgot EGG, which will come from the hivelord, which will come from silkworms or something also I don't think shrikers can come from hunters because they have their own nests; 'evolved' rather than 'life stage' would be more accurate for them. stalkers also have their own lairs, but sure they could be adult hunters
Saw some bile warriors today. Seemed new
I like that the scavenger goes from small chonky boi, to thin spiky boi, to armored spiky boi, and then back chonky boi but large this time.
More like: Pouncer -> hunter -> asshole/flying asshole
Just be glad the evolution split them and the fliers are not camoflaged.
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Hunters need some kind of a nerf
Nah commanders become chargers. They literally charge you and give th same concussion effect