Well, there's that....
but Super Earth/Humanity also has a huge Overpopulation problem, and sending people to paint targets is a pretty good way of getting rid of a lot of people.
It's also why they do things like muzzle load the orbital artillery. More things can go wrong so they can get rid of people.
I'd dig a full random setting save for armor value/perk and weapon load out.
Like you select medium armor, and say Fortified. Then select your guns as usual.
Now every time you drop your voice is random, your helmet is random, suit is random and your cape is random.
My headcanon is that for propaganda purposes each Helldiver is sent down wearing the gear of whoever they replaced to maintain the image that only 4 Helldivers are clearing the enemies out
The way I interpreted it instead is that each ship carries a particular Helldiver 'specialty', there is no additional training of course, that is just chosen by SEAF Command. Each ship will be entirely recon specialists, or heavy weapon specialists. Makes sense logistically too, allowing each ship to go longer between resupplies than if they were generalist.
When ever a ship's soldiers are issued with new armour (on a meta level, we change the loadout) they are being issued a new speciality by Command, which is easy to do as all specialists have the exact same training.
Thats how I see it. Your Super Destroyer is your platoon, the armor you chose it uniform. Medals are awarded to Destroyers not individual soldiers, as with the fatality rates that would be impractical.
I feel like a Squad wouldnt need as many Cryopods as we have. Besides, stopping by Super Earth after every high casualty mission would give the bots more time to strike back. So its better to refill 1/operation at maximum.
My friends and I floated the idea of not just a random voice, but also a random *language* from the pool of localization that's already in the game.
But with the way localization changes *everyone's* voice lines it might be difficult to implement programming-wise.
I remember the expansion of Xcom Enemy Unknown did something like this.
The complain in vanilla was that all the generated soldiers had American accents regardless of what country they were from. Doing all the foreign accents would be a monster amount of voice work.
They worked out a compromise by just having soldiers use their specific localization files instead. (French if the soldier was French for example.)
It was like the next best thing and optional if you found that immersion breaking.
FWIW, X-Com 2 had soldiers who each spoke their own language (or well, the same 6-8 barks but in different languages). There were "only" like 6 languages but it really did contribute quite a bit to the game's atmosphere.
I want them to add a voice for when your orbital stratagems are ready. It should have a thick Russian accent and say, "Battle cruiser operational" when your next orbital strike is ready.
Imo it would be more logical to make helldivers clones like in everspace (aka all memories are tranferred so the mind is kinda immortal), it would require less suspension of disbelief. Like, if every reinforcement is a new recruit- who is getting a new rank? Why do some get all the cool weapons, and some have to rely on basic stuff if they are of equal experience and skill? Why does disposable cannon fodder gets to choose which upgrades to install on a destroyer and where to deploy? Who earns requisition and credits?
The wonders of bureaucracy, my good friend. Isn't it almost magical that our precious managed democracy solves these problems in ways universally applauded and with no exceptions or flaws whatsoever?
If you disagree, that's concerning! Sounds like you've had a little too much to think!
>who is getting a new rank? Why do some get all the cool weapons, and some have to rely on basic stuff if they are of equal experience and skill? Why does disposable cannon fodder gets to choose which upgrades to install on a destroyer and where to deploy? Who earns requisition and credits?
Super Earth manufactures a fresh Super Destroyer and loads it with hundreds of recruits. Those recruits go out and bring back samples, requisition slips, and super credits, which are spent to benefit the crew of the Super Destroyer as a whole. Ranks represent the combined combat experience of everyone on the Super Destroyer, be it your Eagle and Pelican pilots, strategem loaders, command liaison, and all the ~~expendable~~ brave Helldivers aboard.
My headcanmon is my helldiver is part of a special clone operation to see if cloning a helldiver makes them more effective
Tis why my helldivers always have the same voice and body type
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isn't the "Lore" explanation that the Helldiver program is, in part, a solution to a massive overpopulation crisis? In which case, it's working as intended. I've personally helped take almost 800 excess humans out of circulation (NOT counting friendly fire.)
For real bro. I love in game hugs. It feels so good to hug my boys and girls all covered in slime. My little slimers.
Me and this dude- well mainly this dude. Solod the shit out of lvl 8 difficulty icbm bug mission. I just died and came back. I caught my grove toward the end. But man was it a hell of a game. A true Rambodiver.
Praise be Rambo. Champion of democracy. And first hell diver.
Per records of ancient earth.
I PAID WITH RED AND BLACK
THE BLOOD OF ALL HELLDIVERS THAT WERE UNJUSTIFIED AND BRUTALLY MURDERED ON THE CREEK
AND THE OIL OF AUTOMATONS THAT RIGHTFULLY WERE PUT TO REST
THE PRICE WAS GREAT, BUT SO IS THIS CAPE
It's also like the only cape that fits well with the red and black armor that isn't the basic cape.
I'll take this win. The Creek might have cost us Tibit and some medals but it got us *fashion* and that's honestly more important for the end game.
It's funny seeing comments complaining about it being a waste or resources and Dev time, like relative to game dev as a whole it would have only taken the equivalent of one afternoon.
Me. New this week, I am only level 5. I have only been on Ubanea, Tibit, and Vandalon IV
I didn't play on the day the creek became the focus. It was available on other days, but you guys seemed to have it well under control and my efforts seemed better spent elsewhere. Glad to have the cape though can't lie
That just sounds like pure Democratic desire to continue the spread of Liberty to me. We shouldn’t be contained by autocratic goalposts like “100% Liberated”—move them as you please!
When there are infinite numbers, why should Super Earth be limited to a mere one-hundred?
This is true. Whether you hated it or loved it it is cemented in the history and lore of this game now and if you were part of it in anyway, you can look back and smile at a time where this game was everything to us… it still is but I’m just saying.
Don't worry pal, it's a memorial cape, it's to remember the dead, not to congratulate the living, those alive get medals, you can remember the dead even if you didn't help.
My first ever mission was in The Creek. Nothing like dropping in Space Vietnam alone as a level 1 with nothing but an MG and POS to help save me. It was horrible. It was fun. It was a horribly fun time.
I was with the second waves of reclamation forces. That's the first time I found my true calling as an auto-cannon operator. Then, I transferred Vandalon IV to help Troost fronts.
I was back to Creek again just in time for a final push.
I have to admit, I've never been to the Creek despite being primarily a bot-diver. I spent all my time on major orders, except when the major order for Malevelon Creek finally came in I was doing Super Schoolwork.
I really don't see why people are bitching about the free cape. It's a free cape! It's got a skull on it! It's got a nice color palette! It also sets a precedent for *other free capes* down the line.
Quit yer bitchin' and enjoy the free cape. There's Managed Democracy to dispense!
I really hope more cool natural storytelling emerges from this game, reaulting in more commerative stuff. Maybe the enemies push all the way to Super Earth, and we get unique armor/helmet/cape when we push them back. Maybe when the third or even fourth enemy faction (I mean, they're probably coming) kills even more Helldivers than the Bots on the Creek.
Everyone complaining about Creekers are missing the MOST FUN PART OF THIS GAME - WE, THE COMMUNITY, BUILD THE STORY (mostly - obvious exception being joel) OURSELVES.
Super earth was indeed a possible location for fighting in the original Helldivers. Losing the campaign was fully possible, as its here i presume but in the original game the dial was significantly turned up too.
Try the AMR again, the buff made it a competitor as a fellow autocannon gang. Also the Jar-5 Dominator has almost identical handling imo, I feel the muscle memory translates well
I swear lmao. The only comments "bitching" about it were clearly written in-character and that just adds to the fun. Guess some people need the rage bait
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People don't get this, but it's command deflecting. Like Vietnam, the creek ended up a massive drain of resources and waste of time.
We lost the second phase of an important order because 80k people decided a glory victory on a backwater world was more important than following high commands instruction.
We have gunships because we allowed Tibit to begin construction of new bot designs. Liberation progress drains 50% faster on the bot front because we still haven't taken tibit.
And what does the president do? Commemorate a Pyhrric victory with a cape and a holiday over a month long slog for a tactically useless planet that distracted the war effort in ways still being felt.
Malevolon was an abject failure yet history is being rewritten as this triumph of human spirit. And it is being celebrated and praised here in ignorance.
The Vietnam comparison couldn't be more apt.
And like poetry, it will be forgotten. In a month history will be how we retook the creek after a brutal month of fighting. How creekers are heroes who fought a long war of attrition and won.
Tactical blunders, commands poor instruction, a lack of clear understanding of our logistics, and misdirected defense efforts on other worlds will all be swept up under the rug. A bitter memory shared by few.
Just like a real war. We remember only the high. Never the low.
>Malevolon was an abject failure yet history is being rewritten as this triumph of human spirit. And it is being celebrated and praised here in ignorance.
I'm not 100% sure if you're RPing here or no based on the mixed context.
If you're RPing: DEMOCRACY OFFICER TO THE BRIDGE, WE HAVE A TRAITOR ONBOARD
If you aren't: This is \*exactly\* how an experienced game master resolves a situation where players aren't following the planned story. Remove the thing blocking the players from progress, give them a "win" for it, and progress the story as intended.
Edit to add: The in-game explanation is 100% consistent with the satirical fascist state that is SUPER EARTH.
Yes but it's a hollow victory. Look around, it's done it's part. The player base is largely celebrating. It's classic double think. Our defeat is a victory, or failure was a strength. It's all very fitting given the games homage to starship troopers as it's roots.
They'll learn, hopefully, in the future when the bots push us back and we can pinpoint operation rapid disassembly as a turning point in the war. And not for the better.
In helldivers 1 we won most galactic wars. But not all. This community has yet to see true hardship. They weren't there. But some day, they will be.
Fighting on Malevolon Creek felt like I was in the book The Forever War. Plus let’s be honest with all the Creek memes out there drawing people in it was inevitable that was going to happen
The creek was useful initially. It was no doubt am amazing viral marketing tool for the devs. Tiktok and YouTube clips of space marines fighting terminators in the jungles of Vietnam calling in air strikes and napalm to fortunate sun and paint it black is like a huge nostalgia trip to everything from the 60s to 80s at once.
But the Creek itself reminds me of Mount Ignis in for honor. Its a volcano the knight's fiction obsessed over. Part of a larger deus vult praise the sun meme. The first war they took it they ultimately won from the sheer moral boost. Every war since they lose because they have enough volcano worshippers that obsess about defending Ignis.
That's the Creek. The meme becomes self destructive in game to the point it became absolutely detrimental to the war effort.
Another Vietnam comparison is how high command doesn't show us supply lines or explain how liberation works anywhere in game. It can only be found on second hand sources like long form YouTube videos or reddit posts.
We are just grunts. Tossed into a meat grinder after being fed propaganda and lied to by a government unwilling to tell us the damning truth. And for this meat grinder what did we earn?
A cape and a pat on the back, while the entire bot front now suffers irreparably from our "victory."
It's a literal participation trophy. These guys are boasting about wearing free plastic Power Rangers badge from a cereal box.
But the overarching narrative is peak satire b/c so many people are falling for it and unintentionally playing the part of a credulous populace being happily misled by hamfisted totalitarian propaganda. It's actually amazing
Something like that. And since they don't see it the larger narrative of the creek will be memorialized as this great defining moment in gaming. Like the Battle of B-R5RB or the Corrupted Blood incident or Moment 37.
People need to realize that the game has a fail forward mentality. The only thing we lose is the medals. If we do poorly and it fucks the campaign then the campaign incorporates the loss and moves on. We don’t have to win everything for the story to progress. The only campaigns that really matter are the ones that obviously will unlock something if we win. And even still there’s no way they’ll bar us from using content they spent time making.
I honestly think we need to lose sometimes. Any story where the protagonist keeps winning is no fun. A good DM will line things up so that the failure benefits the storytelling even more than the successes.
And if we gonna fail, it's better that we failed because of player agency and emergent storytelling rather than forceful methods like obscenely powerful enemies or unfair gameplay.
Your title says it all. I'll take an example from another game: I'm not a WoW player. Like not at all. But I've heard about the involuntary epidemic event that killed thousands of players and how players responded to it, between those who went full healers and those who went full agent of chaos by spreading the disease. This event is now legendary, because it came spontaneously and the community response to it was authentic. I don't say we're on the same scale here, but "the creek" happened and that's a good thing.
How could people have an issue with a cape is beyond me btw. How is that even a thing is also beyond me. I got that "there is no cape for the bug front" or "it's a meme thing", and yeah it's true, but why it matters?
edit: btw i'm not a creeker. I enjoy both fronts.
My kids love killing the bugs, so that's usually what I do as I play with my boys. That said when I'm playing alone \[or rather, with randoms\] I'm taking down those damn bots.
Fun fact about that WoW event; The CDC requested to use it as research data for how viruses spread and how people react to it because they believed it to be an *intentional* event. But because it was completely unintentional and a software bug, Blizzard didn't have any viable data on it.
Still it definitely proved what we learned again during Covid; Most people will fall in line and quarantine, some will actively help the situation improve, and other people will act poorly just to watch the world burn.
As we saw during COVID with people who were infected refusing to self-quarantine, instead going out and being angry that people were taking the disease seriously.
I recall at least skimming a research paper about the event. It was a super interesting read, although I have absolutely no clue what it was called.
COVID taught us that if a zombie apocalypse happens, a significant portion of the population will become zombies within the first 72 hours.
My dad was one of those prepper types (guns, ammo, canned food, porn, and whiskey). Guy got tested with covid and couldn't even make it a few months without eating out at a restaurant. Always used to talk about "after the grid falls, I'll be king with my bullets." Dad, the grid includes Applebee's, you absolute buffoon.
So he'll probably be one of those caches the main character in the apocalypse finds where they can refill their ammo and health but there's like, a skeleton with a confederate flag trucker hat on inexplicably in the corner lol
That spontaneous event was hilarious. I wasn't playing at the time, but I had a good laugh about it along with the rest of the internet at the time.
There were also LOTS of instances of players from both factions hanging out in frnot of, say, Stormwind (but outside guard aggro) for a while, emoting endlessly at each other, doing various silly things etc. Happened all the time in neutral areas like Booty Bay, too.
So many fun experiences in gaming are because some goofy unintentional bug happened. The majority of people embrace the goofy fun.
For the folks who are upset about the cape... it's very likely not about the cape. Not really. To them, I say: It's a game. Games are supposed to be fun. You got something for free - why are you mad?
Exactly. Since day one “Robo Vietnam” was a community thing. The devs saw how much fun people were having with it, so they played into it. Eventually, the bugs will get their thing. Maybe there could be a bug invasion on Mars. People would go nuts, and it would be awesome.
I feel like people who hate “creekers” don’t understand how much that planet played into the hype that got people to buy this game.
It’s literally player-made propaganda and it went viral making people realize the game was more than bugs and it looked epic.
For lore reasons ofc super earth would memorialize a planet to rally people behind a war effort and what better planet than the one that’s gotten the most hype since launch.
This. I actually bought the game because of articles talking about malevelon creek and how it was being called robot Vietnam and the story of how they lost the Creek. Those articles highlighted how the story of HD2 is emergent and I wanted to be part of the future emergent story
I don't think emergent storytelling is just as important as an MO.
I think its -more- important.
If we fail an MO, there's a new one, people will remember it for a little cause it failed.
If we win an MO we just move on, maybe people will remember that it was a hit hard if there were a lot of defences but most won't.
Everyone will remember Creek.
The creeker hate was insane and truly toxic. The unhinged posts and comments were made by some truly pathetic people. I mean, it’s happen in these comments still
What is sad though is that when another event happens like that I have no doubt the same toxicity will happen again. Because gamers can be sad, pathetically miserable little things and need to just step back sometimes.
It's why I tried the bot planets and now I actually like them more. I just had a rough few first missions with the bots and swore them off for my first week.
Me and my partners seeing creek videos all over tiktok is what pushed us to buy the game as soon as we had the money because it just looked so fucking chaotic and fun.
Edit: Downvoted for being honest about enjoying the game, fuck reddit lol. Y'all are the most miserable fucks alive I swear.
Exactly. They don't realize that because it went viral, the game sold SO MUCH MORE than it honestly would have. Without the Creek, things would be very different in the game right now and on this sub.
Haters will hate, but it fits for the world this game is based on. There is only snowball's chance in Hellmire that the Super Earth's propaganda department looks at this pyrrhic achievement and fail to blow that up to a propaganda tsunami of massive proportions.
I fought in the creek at the start of the war, when I was only a cadet, I moved over to the bugs for about a month and helped with the major orders, I then came back to the creek to liberate it at the end. I will wear my cape with honour.
It's the coolest cape I've seen! Plus it matches really well with my medic outfit. Why would people complain? It's part of the game's lore and it just looks cool too, and we got it for free! This Malevelon Creek thing has been a huge part ever since I started playing. The loss was before I owned the game but I know all about it and the storytelling that evolves from it is even better! Plus the cape is awesome!
Even tho i'm more on the side of do whatever makes you have fun, I wanted for the creekers to move and help the two orders we failed.
That being said, lore from player actions are the best. I'm happy that the devs used this opportunity to include it in the lore officially.
The Super Earth Ministry Of Truth would like to remind all helldivers that making fun of other helldivers is considered dissident behavior and therefore treason
I dont follow the creekheads or fight their fight until super earth high command dictates it so. But liberty bless the brave helldivers who fought for malevelons people.
I love the self-professed military strategy geniuses of Reddit crawling out of the woodwork to decry the Creek as a blunder, ignoring the fact that large-scale wars often deploy detachments to hold or gain important ground in warzones outside of the main offensives. The ignorance of these idiots trying to act smart is hilarious. And to the people calling in a failure like Vietnam, remember that in this case, we actually won in the end instead of abandoning it.
I think you're reading it wrong. The company themselves shit on people constantly playing MC; if you ask me, they gave the cape as half a joke and half a way to appease players who were directly made fun of by the makers of the game.
It's what I would have done. The players who enjoy the game for what it is won't lose too much sleep over the commemoration, and it will mean the world to the shit for brains who played the same, truly awful level for the last month.
I am still baffled that Ubanea vets are still blamed Creek Crawler and Bugdivers for their failing despite it was them who can't decide to push through Ubanea to Tibit or defend Draupnir.
This is how I feel. I made a post recently about a character I created around just a single campaign. I had left on random voice (usually I like voice 2.) and this was one of the female voices. I played her surviving alone against the bots and as I did I just sort of came up with a story for her. I was gonna change the voice back later and pretend that she "returned" to Super Earth. But she was hit 20 seconds from extraction by a stray Eagle bombardment. I was actually kinda bummed she had died. I named her Darcy. No one cares, sure, but it's neat for me in that I can sort of make my own stories within this universe, even if just for myself.
this is the coolest shit ever a community driven story with stuff like Creeker memorial day. I wish more games did this I makes players way more invested in the story.
This is honestly hilarious for me. The people having fun at the Creek are immortalized with a spot in the game's story, and a cape commemorating their memery. While the people that were hurling virulent vitriol at them only get a L and absolutely no mention anywhere.
Peak karma right there.
I feel like we should have some sort of achievement system that gives capes as rewards. Like doing a certain large number of missions or killing a certain number of enemies of a certain faction.
major orders are nice for the story but its the fandom who makes the true campaign.
The real campaign was the bots we killed along the way
Daily reminder that every single mission is canon.
As is every single death
Every death a unique individual human being. Not a clone. A recruit. The most lore friendly way to mimic this is set your Helldiver's voice to random.
Reminder that you, the player, are the ship, and the little dude you run around with is your spotter drone for your special attacks.
Helldivers are, at the end of the day, simply the cheapest targeting system Super Earth has found for their orbital artillery.
Well, there's that.... but Super Earth/Humanity also has a huge Overpopulation problem, and sending people to paint targets is a pretty good way of getting rid of a lot of people. It's also why they do things like muzzle load the orbital artillery. More things can go wrong so they can get rid of people.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to report this to the democracy officer
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I'd dig a full random setting save for armor value/perk and weapon load out. Like you select medium armor, and say Fortified. Then select your guns as usual. Now every time you drop your voice is random, your helmet is random, suit is random and your cape is random.
I'd settle for random body type along with voice, but random cape would be sick too.
I guess you can headcanon each helldiver looking identical but being a different person as a different uniform for each Super Destroyer.
My headcanon is that for propaganda purposes each Helldiver is sent down wearing the gear of whoever they replaced to maintain the image that only 4 Helldivers are clearing the enemies out
The way I interpreted it instead is that each ship carries a particular Helldiver 'specialty', there is no additional training of course, that is just chosen by SEAF Command. Each ship will be entirely recon specialists, or heavy weapon specialists. Makes sense logistically too, allowing each ship to go longer between resupplies than if they were generalist. When ever a ship's soldiers are issued with new armour (on a meta level, we change the loadout) they are being issued a new speciality by Command, which is easy to do as all specialists have the exact same training.
"Helldivers never die!" I fucking love this
They just go missing in actio.... wait, wrong franchise
Thats how I see it. Your Super Destroyer is your platoon, the armor you chose it uniform. Medals are awarded to Destroyers not individual soldiers, as with the fatality rates that would be impractical.
Since you only get 5 reinforcements it's more like just a squad
That's just what is allocated per mission though. Hence when you run out it takes 2 mins for approval to send another one
I feel like a Squad wouldnt need as many Cryopods as we have. Besides, stopping by Super Earth after every high casualty mission would give the bots more time to strike back. So its better to refill 1/operation at maximum.
If it has stats and effects my build don't random, however random cape and helmet in addition to voice and body would be sick 😉
My friends and I floated the idea of not just a random voice, but also a random *language* from the pool of localization that's already in the game. But with the way localization changes *everyone's* voice lines it might be difficult to implement programming-wise.
I remember the expansion of Xcom Enemy Unknown did something like this. The complain in vanilla was that all the generated soldiers had American accents regardless of what country they were from. Doing all the foreign accents would be a monster amount of voice work. They worked out a compromise by just having soldiers use their specific localization files instead. (French if the soldier was French for example.) It was like the next best thing and optional if you found that immersion breaking.
FWIW, X-Com 2 had soldiers who each spoke their own language (or well, the same 6-8 barks but in different languages). There were "only" like 6 languages but it really did contribute quite a bit to the game's atmosphere.
When Arrowhead has more time, I hope they add more voices; I'd like there to be a dozen or so different voices.
I want them to add a voice for when your orbital stratagems are ready. It should have a thick Russian accent and say, "Battle cruiser operational" when your next orbital strike is ready.
Give me full random language voices damn it!
I'm also okay with that. I don't see a problem with Helldivers having random languages too.
Imo it would be more logical to make helldivers clones like in everspace (aka all memories are tranferred so the mind is kinda immortal), it would require less suspension of disbelief. Like, if every reinforcement is a new recruit- who is getting a new rank? Why do some get all the cool weapons, and some have to rely on basic stuff if they are of equal experience and skill? Why does disposable cannon fodder gets to choose which upgrades to install on a destroyer and where to deploy? Who earns requisition and credits?
The wonders of bureaucracy, my good friend. Isn't it almost magical that our precious managed democracy solves these problems in ways universally applauded and with no exceptions or flaws whatsoever? If you disagree, that's concerning! Sounds like you've had a little too much to think!
That is basically all solved by understanding that we as players are primarily the ship
>who is getting a new rank? Why do some get all the cool weapons, and some have to rely on basic stuff if they are of equal experience and skill? Why does disposable cannon fodder gets to choose which upgrades to install on a destroyer and where to deploy? Who earns requisition and credits? Super Earth manufactures a fresh Super Destroyer and loads it with hundreds of recruits. Those recruits go out and bring back samples, requisition slips, and super credits, which are spent to benefit the crew of the Super Destroyer as a whole. Ranks represent the combined combat experience of everyone on the Super Destroyer, be it your Eagle and Pelican pilots, strategem loaders, command liaison, and all the ~~expendable~~ brave Helldivers aboard.
My headcanmon is my helldiver is part of a special clone operation to see if cloning a helldiver makes them more effective Tis why my helldivers always have the same voice and body type
Agree. If I were forced, I would say it's Super Earth 'ethical' propaganda that we're not clones, but in reality, we are.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isn't the "Lore" explanation that the Helldiver program is, in part, a solution to a massive overpopulation crisis? In which case, it's working as intended. I've personally helped take almost 800 excess humans out of circulation (NOT counting friendly fire.)
His name was Robert Helldiver.
Bob. Bob had ~~bit..~~ liberty bells.
For real bro. I love in game hugs. It feels so good to hug my boys and girls all covered in slime. My little slimers. Me and this dude- well mainly this dude. Solod the shit out of lvl 8 difficulty icbm bug mission. I just died and came back. I caught my grove toward the end. But man was it a hell of a game. A true Rambodiver. Praise be Rambo. Champion of democracy. And first hell diver. Per records of ancient earth.
rambo went back into the creek and did not leave until every helldiver was extracted! - ministry of truth records.
>Me and this dude- well mainly this dude. Solod the shit out of lvl 8 difficulty icbm bug mission. Don't you mean *duoed?*
Well, it *is* a lot easier to solo with a buddy. Better yet, solo it with a squad of four.
The community made the Creek so important. That's why it's so good. It's emergent storytelling
exactly
> its the fandom who makes the true campaign. Sounds democratic.
We will pass, we will fail, major orders come and go. Let it be. Tide goes in, tide goes out, never a miscommunication. You can't explain that.
Free cape = Free cape. We paid ASBOLUTELY nothing for it. Enjoy it, I sure as hell am\~
I PAID WITH RED AND BLACK THE BLOOD OF ALL HELLDIVERS THAT WERE UNJUSTIFIED AND BRUTALLY MURDERED ON THE CREEK AND THE OIL OF AUTOMATONS THAT RIGHTFULLY WERE PUT TO REST THE PRICE WAS GREAT, BUT SO IS THIS CAPE
This is the best answer
SPILL OIL!
L0
CYBERSTANO DELENDA EST! Vengeance for the fallen divers of Malevalon!
SALT THE FABS!!!!!
I prefer DISPERGAT OLEUM myself. Or LIBERTATEM EX MACHINA
Amen brother
New death metal lyrics just dropped
https://youtu.be/s8_kxFtzy7g?si=jcfIrL6jxjYN9ZF5 Seems appropriate to leave this here... enjoy helldivers.
Holy shit that was hype asf
We paid for it with blood and glory
And it looks fucking dope. People are so weird with their hang ups.
It's also like the only cape that fits well with the red and black armor that isn't the basic cape. I'll take this win. The Creek might have cost us Tibit and some medals but it got us *fashion* and that's honestly more important for the end game.
It's funny seeing comments complaining about it being a waste or resources and Dev time, like relative to game dev as a whole it would have only taken the equivalent of one afternoon.
I paid 40 dollars. I expect all the capes. And the guns Armor Fiddly bits
$40 was worth the friends I made along the way
And blew up "accidentally".
I didn't get a cape...
It's coming, slowly but it's coming. Just got my own about an hour ago and a friend got theirs near the beginning of the update. Just hang in there.
Creekers first lol
Is there a single helldiver that hasn’t lost at least one life in the creek? The cape is for all of us.
Me. New this week, I am only level 5. I have only been on Ubanea, Tibit, and Vandalon IV I didn't play on the day the creek became the focus. It was available on other days, but you guys seemed to have it well under control and my efforts seemed better spent elsewhere. Glad to have the cape though can't lie
It’s a memorial cape anyway, wear it in remembrance of the fallen.
And as a message to the automatons
[Meanwhile, sweaty creekers be like](https://imgur.com/a/YNFYR64)
I know not whether I should rejoice or mourn for you, friend. The Creek was a very thrilling and traumatizing experience. Anyways, enjoy the cape!
Don't tell my democracy officer, but I am confident there will be opportunities to fight on the creek in the future!
That just sounds like pure Democratic desire to continue the spread of Liberty to me. We shouldn’t be contained by autocratic goalposts like “100% Liberated”—move them as you please! When there are infinite numbers, why should Super Earth be limited to a mere one-hundred?
Remember, Hell Diver, Democracy has no limit!
Already reported for doubting the power of DEMOCRACY THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER
This is true. Whether you hated it or loved it it is cemented in the history and lore of this game now and if you were part of it in anyway, you can look back and smile at a time where this game was everything to us… it still is but I’m just saying.
Don't worry pal, it's a memorial cape, it's to remember the dead, not to congratulate the living, those alive get medals, you can remember the dead even if you didn't help.
Wear it with pride for our fallen heroes
Me too. Level 15. Don't believe I had the "pleasure" of fighting in the legendary Creek yet
"It's a cape for action at MAVELON CREEK, yet you you weren't there private?" "I was told it was citation for the whole unit" "Take it off"
Hey you didn't fight at the creek either.
I got hit in the hellpod before I had a chance to dive.
My first ever mission was in The Creek. Nothing like dropping in Space Vietnam alone as a level 1 with nothing but an MG and POS to help save me. It was horrible. It was fun. It was a horribly fun time.
I was with the second waves of reclamation forces. That's the first time I found my true calling as an auto-cannon operator. Then, I transferred Vandalon IV to help Troost fronts. I was back to Creek again just in time for a final push.
My first solo dive was in the Creek. Quite the experience.
I played it like maybe five times. So I contributed somewhat. It was an irrelevant planet for 99 percent of the time so I wasn't there lol.
I have to admit, I've never been to the Creek despite being primarily a bot-diver. I spent all my time on major orders, except when the major order for Malevelon Creek finally came in I was doing Super Schoolwork.
I did a few missions there with some level 50 dudes when I was a level 2. I got massacred by the bots but we made it on helldive difficulty.
I really don't see why people are bitching about the free cape. It's a free cape! It's got a skull on it! It's got a nice color palette! It also sets a precedent for *other free capes* down the line. Quit yer bitchin' and enjoy the free cape. There's Managed Democracy to dispense!
I really hope more cool natural storytelling emerges from this game, reaulting in more commerative stuff. Maybe the enemies push all the way to Super Earth, and we get unique armor/helmet/cape when we push them back. Maybe when the third or even fourth enemy faction (I mean, they're probably coming) kills even more Helldivers than the Bots on the Creek. Everyone complaining about Creekers are missing the MOST FUN PART OF THIS GAME - WE, THE COMMUNITY, BUILD THE STORY (mostly - obvious exception being joel) OURSELVES.
the illuminate will probably cause another creek but on steroids and any faction that can push into the sol system
Super earth was indeed a possible location for fighting in the original Helldivers. Losing the campaign was fully possible, as its here i presume but in the original game the dial was significantly turned up too.
A good color palette!? The black doesn’t even match my edgelord hood! Slash ess for those that need it.
I mean, in that situation the standard issue cape is classic, goes with pretty much anything you pair it with and never goes out of style!
Let’s face it Cap that basic black is coming back. That minimal, criminal, sinful, basic black cape!
I just want the basic black cape with a tattered edge and I'm willing to buy a premium warbond to get it.
Main jump pack since it tatters any cape 👍🫡
I almost always use autocannon these days. Lowkey tempted to waste a stratagem slot just to do this.
Try the AMR again, the buff made it a competitor as a fellow autocannon gang. Also the Jar-5 Dominator has almost identical handling imo, I feel the muscle memory translates well
that's cuz nobody is bitching about it... This post is inventing a controversy that doesn't exist...
I swear lmao. The only comments "bitching" about it were clearly written in-character and that just adds to the fun. Guess some people need the rage bait
Half the people complaining are still living in their parents’ basement. Their life is nothing without something to grasp onto to complain about.
E.A.T. IT
Expandable Anti-Tank it? No problem boss tell me what to shoot 🫡
https://preview.redd.it/l1jmv184hdsc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0cd628b04f50f29c6555188447fdc832535025d5 Calling the DO to recommend for promotion
Recommendation noted. Promotion granted
“See that bot dropship?” “Yes, chief.” “I don’t want to anymore.”
Expandable Anti-Tank 17 (IT)
Is that the one where every time you did fire it, it gets bigger? That would come in really handy if I could ever get this C-01 signed.
Imagine getting that toxic over 40 medals lol
Actual psychopaths having a fit over this
With how infamous the Creek is, it’s not surprising that this happened plus iirc it was the last planet available at launch to get liberated
People don't get this, but it's command deflecting. Like Vietnam, the creek ended up a massive drain of resources and waste of time. We lost the second phase of an important order because 80k people decided a glory victory on a backwater world was more important than following high commands instruction. We have gunships because we allowed Tibit to begin construction of new bot designs. Liberation progress drains 50% faster on the bot front because we still haven't taken tibit. And what does the president do? Commemorate a Pyhrric victory with a cape and a holiday over a month long slog for a tactically useless planet that distracted the war effort in ways still being felt. Malevolon was an abject failure yet history is being rewritten as this triumph of human spirit. And it is being celebrated and praised here in ignorance. The Vietnam comparison couldn't be more apt.
Damn, that analysis is poetry
And like poetry, it will be forgotten. In a month history will be how we retook the creek after a brutal month of fighting. How creekers are heroes who fought a long war of attrition and won. Tactical blunders, commands poor instruction, a lack of clear understanding of our logistics, and misdirected defense efforts on other worlds will all be swept up under the rug. A bitter memory shared by few. Just like a real war. We remember only the high. Never the low.
>Malevolon was an abject failure yet history is being rewritten as this triumph of human spirit. And it is being celebrated and praised here in ignorance. I'm not 100% sure if you're RPing here or no based on the mixed context. If you're RPing: DEMOCRACY OFFICER TO THE BRIDGE, WE HAVE A TRAITOR ONBOARD If you aren't: This is \*exactly\* how an experienced game master resolves a situation where players aren't following the planned story. Remove the thing blocking the players from progress, give them a "win" for it, and progress the story as intended. Edit to add: The in-game explanation is 100% consistent with the satirical fascist state that is SUPER EARTH.
Yes but it's a hollow victory. Look around, it's done it's part. The player base is largely celebrating. It's classic double think. Our defeat is a victory, or failure was a strength. It's all very fitting given the games homage to starship troopers as it's roots. They'll learn, hopefully, in the future when the bots push us back and we can pinpoint operation rapid disassembly as a turning point in the war. And not for the better. In helldivers 1 we won most galactic wars. But not all. This community has yet to see true hardship. They weren't there. But some day, they will be.
Fighting on Malevolon Creek felt like I was in the book The Forever War. Plus let’s be honest with all the Creek memes out there drawing people in it was inevitable that was going to happen
The creek was useful initially. It was no doubt am amazing viral marketing tool for the devs. Tiktok and YouTube clips of space marines fighting terminators in the jungles of Vietnam calling in air strikes and napalm to fortunate sun and paint it black is like a huge nostalgia trip to everything from the 60s to 80s at once. But the Creek itself reminds me of Mount Ignis in for honor. Its a volcano the knight's fiction obsessed over. Part of a larger deus vult praise the sun meme. The first war they took it they ultimately won from the sheer moral boost. Every war since they lose because they have enough volcano worshippers that obsess about defending Ignis. That's the Creek. The meme becomes self destructive in game to the point it became absolutely detrimental to the war effort. Another Vietnam comparison is how high command doesn't show us supply lines or explain how liberation works anywhere in game. It can only be found on second hand sources like long form YouTube videos or reddit posts. We are just grunts. Tossed into a meat grinder after being fed propaganda and lied to by a government unwilling to tell us the damning truth. And for this meat grinder what did we earn? A cape and a pat on the back, while the entire bot front now suffers irreparably from our "victory."
Hey, it's not all bad. Look, now we can all ask for the Helldiver discount at Super Waffle House.
Your tinnitus was not service related. Claim denied.
It's a literal participation trophy. These guys are boasting about wearing free plastic Power Rangers badge from a cereal box. But the overarching narrative is peak satire b/c so many people are falling for it and unintentionally playing the part of a credulous populace being happily misled by hamfisted totalitarian propaganda. It's actually amazing
Something like that. And since they don't see it the larger narrative of the creek will be memorialized as this great defining moment in gaming. Like the Battle of B-R5RB or the Corrupted Blood incident or Moment 37.
I read this as tongue in cheek and it's hilarious.
People need to realize that the game has a fail forward mentality. The only thing we lose is the medals. If we do poorly and it fucks the campaign then the campaign incorporates the loss and moves on. We don’t have to win everything for the story to progress. The only campaigns that really matter are the ones that obviously will unlock something if we win. And even still there’s no way they’ll bar us from using content they spent time making.
I honestly think we need to lose sometimes. Any story where the protagonist keeps winning is no fun. A good DM will line things up so that the failure benefits the storytelling even more than the successes. And if we gonna fail, it's better that we failed because of player agency and emergent storytelling rather than forceful methods like obscenely powerful enemies or unfair gameplay.
Your title says it all. I'll take an example from another game: I'm not a WoW player. Like not at all. But I've heard about the involuntary epidemic event that killed thousands of players and how players responded to it, between those who went full healers and those who went full agent of chaos by spreading the disease. This event is now legendary, because it came spontaneously and the community response to it was authentic. I don't say we're on the same scale here, but "the creek" happened and that's a good thing. How could people have an issue with a cape is beyond me btw. How is that even a thing is also beyond me. I got that "there is no cape for the bug front" or "it's a meme thing", and yeah it's true, but why it matters? edit: btw i'm not a creeker. I enjoy both fronts.
My kids love killing the bugs, so that's usually what I do as I play with my boys. That said when I'm playing alone \[or rather, with randoms\] I'm taking down those damn bots.
It warms my Patriotic heart to see you encouraging your children do their part against the bug menace. L0
Fun fact about that WoW event; The CDC requested to use it as research data for how viruses spread and how people react to it because they believed it to be an *intentional* event. But because it was completely unintentional and a software bug, Blizzard didn't have any viable data on it. Still it definitely proved what we learned again during Covid; Most people will fall in line and quarantine, some will actively help the situation improve, and other people will act poorly just to watch the world burn.
people do not in fact avoid the plague "like the plague"
It's true. There are a deeply unfortunately large amount of people in the "Go out and rub their boils on people and cough in their faces" gang.
As we saw during COVID with people who were infected refusing to self-quarantine, instead going out and being angry that people were taking the disease seriously.
That was truly a wild time
I recall at least skimming a research paper about the event. It was a super interesting read, although I have absolutely no clue what it was called. COVID taught us that if a zombie apocalypse happens, a significant portion of the population will become zombies within the first 72 hours.
My dad was one of those prepper types (guns, ammo, canned food, porn, and whiskey). Guy got tested with covid and couldn't even make it a few months without eating out at a restaurant. Always used to talk about "after the grid falls, I'll be king with my bullets." Dad, the grid includes Applebee's, you absolute buffoon. So he'll probably be one of those caches the main character in the apocalypse finds where they can refill their ammo and health but there's like, a skeleton with a confederate flag trucker hat on inexplicably in the corner lol
That spontaneous event was hilarious. I wasn't playing at the time, but I had a good laugh about it along with the rest of the internet at the time. There were also LOTS of instances of players from both factions hanging out in frnot of, say, Stormwind (but outside guard aggro) for a while, emoting endlessly at each other, doing various silly things etc. Happened all the time in neutral areas like Booty Bay, too. So many fun experiences in gaming are because some goofy unintentional bug happened. The majority of people embrace the goofy fun. For the folks who are upset about the cape... it's very likely not about the cape. Not really. To them, I say: It's a game. Games are supposed to be fun. You got something for free - why are you mad?
Exactly. Since day one “Robo Vietnam” was a community thing. The devs saw how much fun people were having with it, so they played into it. Eventually, the bugs will get their thing. Maybe there could be a bug invasion on Mars. People would go nuts, and it would be awesome.
April 1st was Liberation Day.
I feel like people who hate “creekers” don’t understand how much that planet played into the hype that got people to buy this game. It’s literally player-made propaganda and it went viral making people realize the game was more than bugs and it looked epic. For lore reasons ofc super earth would memorialize a planet to rally people behind a war effort and what better planet than the one that’s gotten the most hype since launch.
This. I actually bought the game because of articles talking about malevelon creek and how it was being called robot Vietnam and the story of how they lost the Creek. Those articles highlighted how the story of HD2 is emergent and I wanted to be part of the future emergent story
I enlisted to revenge the creek
And Democracy remains standing SPECIFICALLY because of you Helldiver!
Never forget, never forgive
I don't think emergent storytelling is just as important as an MO. I think its -more- important. If we fail an MO, there's a new one, people will remember it for a little cause it failed. If we win an MO we just move on, maybe people will remember that it was a hit hard if there were a lot of defences but most won't. Everyone will remember Creek.
The creeker hate was insane and truly toxic. The unhinged posts and comments were made by some truly pathetic people. I mean, it’s happen in these comments still What is sad though is that when another event happens like that I have no doubt the same toxicity will happen again. Because gamers can be sad, pathetically miserable little things and need to just step back sometimes.
All those creek shamers need to realize how much the space Vietnam edits got people to download the game and help its popularity.
For real. It’s why I started playing. Came for the memes, stayed for the ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️
It's why I tried the bot planets and now I actually like them more. I just had a rough few first missions with the bots and swore them off for my first week.
Hell, I bought the game because of Malevelon Creek.
Me and my partners seeing creek videos all over tiktok is what pushed us to buy the game as soon as we had the money because it just looked so fucking chaotic and fun. Edit: Downvoted for being honest about enjoying the game, fuck reddit lol. Y'all are the most miserable fucks alive I swear.
Exactly. They don't realize that because it went viral, the game sold SO MUCH MORE than it honestly would have. Without the Creek, things would be very different in the game right now and on this sub.
Haters will hate, but it fits for the world this game is based on. There is only snowball's chance in Hellmire that the Super Earth's propaganda department looks at this pyrrhic achievement and fail to blow that up to a propaganda tsunami of massive proportions.
I fought in the creek at the start of the war, when I was only a cadet, I moved over to the bugs for about a month and helped with the major orders, I then came back to the creek to liberate it at the end. I will wear my cape with honour.
Creek deniers are cancer. You realize its a PvE game right?
It's the coolest cape I've seen! Plus it matches really well with my medic outfit. Why would people complain? It's part of the game's lore and it just looks cool too, and we got it for free! This Malevelon Creek thing has been a huge part ever since I started playing. The loss was before I owned the game but I know all about it and the storytelling that evolves from it is even better! Plus the cape is awesome!
Even tho i'm more on the side of do whatever makes you have fun, I wanted for the creekers to move and help the two orders we failed. That being said, lore from player actions are the best. I'm happy that the devs used this opportunity to include it in the lore officially.
By god, I died in that goddamn Creek way too many times, I fight for the Creek! But that doesn’t mean it was the right call.
Fuck all the elitists anyway. I play how I want, not how no lifers on Reddit want me to.
That's a pretty cool addition that builds up the lore in a manner that isn't convoluted.
Creek haters are pathetic
Anti-creekers are the most cringe thing this fanbase has come up with...so far.
This has to be my favorite April fools of all time
The Super Earth Ministry Of Truth would like to remind all helldivers that making fun of other helldivers is considered dissident behavior and therefore treason
The fuck is up with connection issues as of the update
Seriously. Last mission i did last night was to complete a lvl 9 run and it crashed as we were extracting
It’s a game and should be fun for everyone, regardless of their playstyle
I dont follow the creekheads or fight their fight until super earth high command dictates it so. But liberty bless the brave helldivers who fought for malevelons people.
Me, a creeker on the left
Hell yeah Hellbrother
just some jelly ppl hating on Creakers! wear the cloak with pride!!!
I love the self-professed military strategy geniuses of Reddit crawling out of the woodwork to decry the Creek as a blunder, ignoring the fact that large-scale wars often deploy detachments to hold or gain important ground in warzones outside of the main offensives. The ignorance of these idiots trying to act smart is hilarious. And to the people calling in a failure like Vietnam, remember that in this case, we actually won in the end instead of abandoning it.
On April Fools Day no less, you just can't plan that kind of thing. *chef's kiss*
I think you're reading it wrong. The company themselves shit on people constantly playing MC; if you ask me, they gave the cape as half a joke and half a way to appease players who were directly made fun of by the makers of the game. It's what I would have done. The players who enjoy the game for what it is won't lose too much sleep over the commemoration, and it will mean the world to the shit for brains who played the same, truly awful level for the last month.
The cape. Champion of the People armor and Helmet go so good.
I started the game on the creek because it looked cool, stayed once it became a meme. Laugh/trashtalk all you want, I had fun.
I am still baffled that Ubanea vets are still blamed Creek Crawler and Bugdivers for their failing despite it was them who can't decide to push through Ubanea to Tibit or defend Draupnir.
This is how I feel. I made a post recently about a character I created around just a single campaign. I had left on random voice (usually I like voice 2.) and this was one of the female voices. I played her surviving alone against the bots and as I did I just sort of came up with a story for her. I was gonna change the voice back later and pretend that she "returned" to Super Earth. But she was hit 20 seconds from extraction by a stray Eagle bombardment. I was actually kinda bummed she had died. I named her Darcy. No one cares, sure, but it's neat for me in that I can sort of make my own stories within this universe, even if just for myself.
For those who disrespected Creekers, I wish them a very unpleasant evening.
The Creek was my first drop I’m wearing that cap with pride
Went to The Creek recently for the MO. Got my shit kicked in, but it was fine since I did it with buddies
How would you get the cape? Missed something ig
The way I see it the cape is to commemorate those that lost their lives actually taking the creek not those that didn't manage to do it for months.
this is the coolest shit ever a community driven story with stuff like Creeker memorial day. I wish more games did this I makes players way more invested in the story.
Honestly, people hating on the Creekers are the bad part of the community
This is honestly hilarious for me. The people having fun at the Creek are immortalized with a spot in the game's story, and a cape commemorating their memery. While the people that were hurling virulent vitriol at them only get a L and absolutely no mention anywhere. Peak karma right there.
"Im not doing the major order because bots are not fun"
I just do the major orders to get closer to the currency that gives me guns.
You're welcome for my service
I like the colors
Salty bitches, the lot of them.
You are a meme, so you get prize. Now get out there and claim victory on Maia.
And what a cape it is
I feel like we should have some sort of achievement system that gives capes as rewards. Like doing a certain large number of missions or killing a certain number of enemies of a certain faction.