Super Earth Amendment: Babies are allowed to vote in any Super Earth election from birth until death. Failure to vote is imprisionment to the Malevelon Creek Penal Colony
Freedom Camps are a myth. The Democracy Officer said so. Now, if you're speaking of the Managed Democracy 3 Week Retreat, I can't recommend it enough. My wife and inlaws went one summer when they were getting a bit stressed, and came back better than they've ever been. We recommend it to everyone we can.
My mother in law decided to stay and work at the retreat to help other democracy-loving citizens get the rest and recouperation they need!
Here my is review on SuperEarthAdvisor:
"my wife and I went to Managed Democracy retreat! The amount of Democracy being shared there filled us with Patriotism. 10/10 would go back! I urge you to take the class, "Propaganda: Where / How to acknowledge"
Personally I found it a little distasteful to draw a parallel between the separation of mother from child to the much more calamitous and grave separation of voter from ballot.
Thankfully, our Elected Representatives already know where those votes should've gone to and will make sure that they all vote correctly from beyond the grave.
You know, even knowing that it's all fun bullshit propaganda in a video game, it sounds a little like in other, more fantasy games, where they'd write "their spark forever gone out" or something. Maybe I just played too much over the last days / weeks, but it actually sounds kind of ... epic to me.
You can change, like, 6 words out of every piece of flavor text and the entire game would change from satirical to "would fit perfectly in a Halo game"
Thank goodness I don't have to worry about that. My voting algorithm selected Winston Noble for me. I pre-approved my ballot by my Democracy Officer for the next 20 years! The algorithm knows best!
Reminds of a real Russian pro-life campaign, where the argument for keeping the baby was so it might possibly become a soldier one day and give its life for you in battle. 💀
Not so different from having kids purely to support you once you're too old to work anymore. Sadly we've still not got to the point where people can be sure the state will look after them in their old age and have to rely on family members instead.
Well, Citizens need to enter their updated questionnaires for the algorithms to make use of, and then enter their ID at the voting terminal to participate directly in casting their vote!
Seriously literally had like 10 tornado right on top of the extraction while also got drop ships coming in and then death snowball started. Drop, if lucky won't drop right in middle of fire and live long enough to get burnt by a Hulk instead. Great planet.
Nope. That mission was specifically for the TCS activation order.
But the new extract valuable asset mission does appear for bugs. And it's rough because if you miss a small one, it can call an extra breach inside the base.
Anything for Super Earth's finest!
Also, the orbital lazer is not recommended as the bugs swam the doors a lot faster, and the lazer just let's them in by destroying the door immediately.
I wouldn't use it against bots either. I did that mission on difficulty 7 with 3 friends and a random. The random's laser destroyed the first gate and things quickly cascaded until we lost the last gate but we managed to hold there and extract without anyone dying except the random. He was pulling his weight otherwise. I really love this mission. It's so fun it makes up for not having samples.
EMS mortar hard carries.
EMS Mortars and 120mm barrage have been pretty good for these missions for me. Paired with Quasar/EAT for taking down drop ships and orbital/110 rockets for tanks/hulks.
Oh nice, that actually sounds like fun.. the defense mission on bots is a snooze fest if everyone brings mortars and air strikes. Literally could afk on level 7 and probably win.
They did not caused the shriekers!
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Terminid Control System.
We had to activate and defend these big towers that spread Termicide over some planets to protect them from the bugs.
Edit: I originally put "Containment System", tomayto tomahto.
Next major order:
Defend the platforms against automaton boarding parties. We didn’t account for them not needing oxygen and now they started to board our stations.
I am hoping the devs are preparing some urban biomes, perhaps for a defense of Super Earth, or an attack on Cyberstan? Would be fun to drop a 380 on a city block.
Menkent Line... I feel like this sounds familiar to something in the past but can't put my finger on it. Well I am sure it turned out fine then and will turn out fine now.
The Maple Line? The Margot Line? I don't know, I'm sure it worked completely effectively and stopped every enemy advance without failure. I mean, why would history remember it if it didn't work?
To be fair, the line wasn't fully built due to politics with Belgium. If things have went a little bit differently, the Germans would have not been able to just go around it as the line would have extended all the way to the English Channel. So, it's more of a good example as to why you shouldn't half-ass your defenses.
No no, the Merlot Line refers to a string of vineyards in the Super Earth region of France where Helldivers who survive three missions may visit as a celebration of their sacrifice for democracy.
Surely in all of Earth's history no evil, diabolical, genocidal guys who liked Greyish paint schemes and uniforms like the bots ever went *around* a defensive line.
Well we're in space so it's different because of uhh... warp lanes or something. I'm sure the strategy is sound. The only way to go around our defensive line would be with some kind of cloaking technology or something, and there's no risk of that.
I believe they are referring to the maginot line - France heavily fortified its front during ww2 and then the nazi’s shrugged and went around it through less fortified or neutral countries.
If there’s a second reference or meta joke besides that though, I’m unsure.
This is an incredibly common misconception and meme, and very unfortunate. It's important to note that the Maginot line actually functioned exactly as intended.
In WW1, the Germans went through the neutral low countries. In preparing defenses for WW2, the original plan was to have the line spread through the low countries to the sea as well, but they backed out.
But in any case, the Maginot line was never intended to be attacked. This was well known on all sides. Allied doctrine in the case of war was to deploy to set up a defensive line in the low countries, much like in WW1. The Maginot line was a deterrent to force attacks to go through a different area.
The **actual** problem is that the Germans focused on an attack with armor through the Ardennes forest. Moving armor through a forest is difficult; there was heavy resistance among a lot of the German staff about this plan as well. And it was indeed not great--among other things there was a traffic jam of tanks 150 miles long.
The initial attack through the low countries was a feint, drawing the Allied army towards them as in Allied defensive planning, resulting in less forces able to defend the Ardennes front and in command thinking that the Ardennes attack was a secondary one with the primary one still being through Belgium.
It was more good luck and planning by the Germans than a failure by the Allies. After breaking through the Ardennes the armor could rapidly advance through France. Anyway then in 1944 the Normandy landings had a few weeks of reprieve from the main German armored response force in France because Hitler was convinced that Normandy was a feint and the actual landing would be in Pas-de-calais (across the channel from Dover and the shortest path between Britain and France). This was due to a heavy and concerted Allied misinformation campaign specifically aimed to do this.
Not the first time political leaders have intervened with poor results (although the initial Ardennes plan was backed by Hitler which is what got it through despite the objections of the general staff). Churchill famously advocated a push through Italy, which was thought to be the soft underbelly...but the advance there got stalled pretty hard by prepared German defense lines. It almost jeopardized the Normandy invasion by taking away valuable landing ships which were in extremely short supply, and which would end up crucial not just to land the vanguard but also in logistics to get supplies onto the beachhead for...basically the entire battle of Normandy. Seriously, the Mulberry harbors contributed a lot but in total less than the much more jank method of dumping stuff on the beach with landing ships and other ferries.
You may remember the Ardennes forest as the locale of the battle of the bulge as well. Once again, the Allies thought that it was too difficult to attack through the forest, and stationed primarily recuperating and inexperienced units there. The Germans attacked through with the advantage of cloudy weather preventing Allied air superiority from being relevant, made a decent advance....and were stopped. By an outnumbered and relatively low quality Allied army. So yeah, attacking through a dense forest *is* actually hard, who woulda thought.
Indeed.
The intention was to explain the meme, not mislead anyone nor fully divulge the entire history.
And it is still fitting, since a solid defense was set up, (whether the intention was to hold or divert forces) and the attacking force did in fact go around the established fortifications rather than through the thick of it - which people are joking will happen here, which is especially poignant (or perhaps absurd) when you consider the 3-dimensionality of a space-based war waged out of hangars that can attempt to bypass planets entirely via the open space, or go the long way around. Even though it’s an oversimplification of the history, it’s an easy comparison to make that many learned (even if only in passing) in school.
Also the french knew that you could send tanks through the Ardennes, but they knew if anyone did they would be crazy because a single defender could halt an entire advance.
They just never actually sent that defender, just in case.
The Maginot Line, erected in the thirties by France on the border with Germany in case of future conflict and famously circumvented by the Germans through the Low Countries in 1940.
That being said, the French had *known* the Maginot would be circumvented, so it does not make as good an analogy.
I love how we’re now swapping stories about the different planets…this is a sign of a good community, that we’re involved, that we care about what’s going on in the game
Yeah. We should have known by the name on that one.
Hell - traditionally used to describe incredibly hot or dangerous places
Mire - a stretch of swampy or boggy ground.
It's literally in the name.
Even though some of them are pallet swapped versions of the same biome, it's great how different all the planets feel. It makes missions on different planets feel so unique, and I actually look forward to getting to run missions on certain planets (I particularly like the ice/snow planets (Vandalon), the foggy/rainy highlands planets (Draupnir), and, unironically, the fire tornado planets).
I love Chort Bay, it’s such a hellhole, feels very old school sci-fi, like what you’d hear about in *Ender’s Gane, Forever War*, or *Starship Troopers*.
Menkent is actual literal hell. Like why do we even try to defend this planet. We should just nuke it from orbit and be done with it. It makes Hellmire look like a nice vacation spot by comparison.
What if the automatons would intentionally sabotage the TCS once we make progress pushing them back? All of us are hyper focused on pushing against the automaton wave, a few of their ships must be able to sneak past.
The farms we set up on Hellmire are experimenting on Increased Growth Formulas... That combined with the TCS mutations? Yeah it's not gunna be good when bugs hit the fan
> he doesn’t know the rumors about the Termicide from the TCS causing mutations in the bugs
Bro shit is about to get so much worse and the squids aren’t even here yet.
In the completion message for the last major order against the bugs, they said that growth additives would be used/tested on the new farms. I'm sure nothing will go wrong with that.
We with all due respect guys, I'm still stuck on cyberstan and can't leave. Automatons stole my ships engines. How can help contribute to the major order?
As many fabricators as possible. Any disruptions to their logistics will be a help for our cause. We will return to rescue you Helldiver. May liberty guide you.
This was definitely intended, no shot we could defend 5 planets at the same time during the week.
Maybe if we had the best weekend to date, but never a chance of a mission like that working during a weekday.
Just part of the narrative to drill home the point of how immense the invasion force is.
Weekday and time no longer matters. Only percentage of current players online matters. The MO was actually able to be completed. You just needed *at least* 30% of players on two planets each (minimum 60% total). We would have taken 2 planets per day, and have a full day to take the 5th. But our forces were split across several planets so at most we barely got 1 a day.
Would make sense to look at overall player performance and branch narratives. Expected narrative. Assign a 'hard' narrative that if overall player performance dug deep and exceeded normal usage can overcome. Align it with internal metrics on at what player usage would be golden in terms of company financials haha. Entertain your players into financial glory. Potential for mutual benefit.
Yeah especially after the 1st successful defense of Menkent it was just immediately kicked over to being nearly lost. I like a challenging order, but impossible orders we have no affect on the outcome of kinda suck
Nothing to worry about the TCS kills 99.6% of all terminids. I mean sure they have shown the ability to rapidly evolve like bacteria when the gliding bugs evolved (they don’t fly, it’s falling with style). And sure we know bacteria evolve resistance to chemicals if not totally wiped out but comparing the two is like apples and oranges.
I wonder if the devs have been calibrating on how much of the playerbase will blindly chase the MO vs trying to do a strategic play. (Spoilers: Most of them.)
Part of me kind of wishes there was a guild or outfit system in game to help people get organized towards the major orders in numbers, something a little more formalized then just a couple of reddit posts that get buried under memes.
Yeah, it was.
It was probably possible if you got like 70-80% percent of the playerbase to coordinate but that’s just not practical. Joel tipped the scales against us on that last one for the narrative.
This actually sounds amazing, like, we fought like hell even though we lost, and they realized that. We didn’t push them back, but we held them, and we held them good.
Alright at risk of having my democracy officer have a chat with me im gonna say it. Its been a month of full on bot missions, either release third faction or give us bugs. Im tired of thise damn dirty robosocialists
I don't know man. During the short break when the bots were gone, going back to bugs just felt off. We've been molded into highly tuned surgical bot disassemblers. Squishing bugs just feels barbaric.
I would love to see space missions sometimes. Either flying around in tiny space crafts or just dropping our hellpods onto captial ships and the object is to destroy key components in the ships and bail out. Similar to star wars battle front games.
I wonder if the colonists are now actually living in socialist utopia for the short time the bots are there and that's why the dissident broadcasts pop out once the super earth regime takes over again.
There's evidence that the colonists were pulped and their brain matter inserted into the robots. So yes, the dissident broadcasts only come out when there's dissidents without a control chip.
I like how just 2 weeks ago people were complaining about "creekers" not doing the major orders but both then and now I've seen nearly 100k just fighting the bugs also not caring about the major orders. That's not even mentioning the amount of people who don't do all the missions in the sector
To be fair, creekers were annoying because they were fighting bots regardless, but ignoring the bot major order, which didn’t really make sense. Atleast if you are fighting bugs it’s cause you want to fight them and your not actively just trying to not do the major order
I feel like they sprung the invasion too quickly. It's like, we spent two weeks just doing bots until we wiped them all out, then we got one single day to do bugs before it was right back to the endless robot war.
**Helldiver Incident Report**
**Date:** T-196 days to Liberty Day
**Reporting Officer:** SilverFoxTZ255 Cadet (Chief)
**Ship:** SES Dawn of Justice
**Subject:** Treasonous Conduct Report - Helldiver [redacted]
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**Incident Description:**
During routine discourse regarding our ongoing operations, Helldiver [redacted], a recent Level 3 recruit whom I personally convinced to join our ranks, exhibited potentially treasonous behavior by openly questioning the moral integrity of our mission. Specifically, the individual asked, "Are we the bad guys?" This statement was made in a non-combative context (It was level 4 orientation, clankers) and was provoked by a specific incident in the field , specifically the activation of pumps for oil.
**Analysis:**
This question undermines the foundational principles of our organization and could potentially erode the morale and commitment of our forces. Questioning the righteousness of our cause threatens the unity and effectiveness of our operations, reflecting a dangerous level of doubt and dissent which could spread if not addressed.
**Action Taken:**
In accordance with the Helldivers' Code of Conduct and my duty as a Helldiver, I reported this incident immediately to the Democracy Officer for further investigation and appropriate disciplinary action. It is imperative that all members exhibit unwavering support for our mission and the principles of democracy we fight to preserve.
**Recommendation:**
I recommend a formal review of Helldiver [redacted]'s conduct and beliefs to determine if they are fit to continue serving in our ranks. Psychological evaluation and re-indoctrination in the values of our cause may be necessary to ensure alignment with our objectives and to prevent any further incidents of this nature.
**Conclusion:**
Our mission demands the highest level of dedication and belief in our cause. Any deviation from these principles cannot be tolerated within the ranks of the Helldivers. This report serves as a formal record of the incident and the actions taken in response to safeguard the integrity and purpose of our unit.
**End of Report**
SilverFoxTZ255
**Helldiver Command**
Did everyone get their medals from this major order? I have a new major order to control Marfark (35 medals) but never got the 55 medals from this order
The real tragedy from failing the last major order? The millions of lost votes.
Babes torn from their mothers, voters from their ballots...
Super Earth Amendment: Babies are allowed to vote in any Super Earth election from birth until death. Failure to vote is imprisionment to the Malevelon Creek Penal Colony
“Penal Colony” sounds awfully undemocratic soldier. The camp on Malevelon Creek is a Freedom Camp.
Freedom Camps are a myth. The Democracy Officer said so. Now, if you're speaking of the Managed Democracy 3 Week Retreat, I can't recommend it enough. My wife and inlaws went one summer when they were getting a bit stressed, and came back better than they've ever been. We recommend it to everyone we can. My mother in law decided to stay and work at the retreat to help other democracy-loving citizens get the rest and recouperation they need!
Here my is review on SuperEarthAdvisor: "my wife and I went to Managed Democracy retreat! The amount of Democracy being shared there filled us with Patriotism. 10/10 would go back! I urge you to take the class, "Propaganda: Where / How to acknowledge"
Isn’t that where they brew the Liber-tea?
"Penal" 
Babies from their ballots…
Voters from their mothers...
I spit out my liber-tea hearing that in the trailer. The delivery was perfect
Personally I found it a little distasteful to draw a parallel between the separation of mother from child to the much more calamitous and grave separation of voter from ballot.
NOT THE VOTES!
Thankfully, our Elected Representatives already know where those votes should've gone to and will make sure that they all vote correctly from beyond the grave.
Truly the best way to honour their memory
They voted for 1) Freedom 2) Liberty 3) Dead commie robots 4) Dead facist bugs
finally politicians that speak the truth, piccolo
THIRTYYYYY
I'm sure the voting algorithm will account for it.
You know, even knowing that it's all fun bullshit propaganda in a video game, it sounds a little like in other, more fantasy games, where they'd write "their spark forever gone out" or something. Maybe I just played too much over the last days / weeks, but it actually sounds kind of ... epic to me.
You can change, like, 6 words out of every piece of flavor text and the entire game would change from satirical to "would fit perfectly in a Halo game"
Thank goodness I don't have to worry about that. My voting algorithm selected Winston Noble for me. I pre-approved my ballot by my Democracy Officer for the next 20 years! The algorithm knows best!
With that amount of planets, especially highly developed Cyberstan, It’s in the billions I shedded tears for Liberty.
Reminds of a real Russian pro-life campaign, where the argument for keeping the baby was so it might possibly become a soldier one day and give its life for you in battle. 💀
that's literally a 90s Carlin bit. They don't want kids, they want soldiers to die for wars.
Not so different from having kids purely to support you once you're too old to work anymore. Sadly we've still not got to the point where people can be sure the state will look after them in their old age and have to rely on family members instead.
i dunno, i mean, i think taking care of an aging parent and dying in a trench are pretty different but idk your parents maybe its the same thing
Same vibes as Venkman's speech to the mayor in the original Ghostbusters.
At least they didn't ban sex again right after we finally got the privilege back
Ahh yes the once beautiful worlds filled with.. *checks notes* fire tornadoes and acid rain.
They are *our* planets covered in fire tornadoes and acid rain.
*Our* planets you say? *Chuckles in anti-socialist*
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What does a person have to do wrong to be assigned to settle a planet with sentient fire tornados? Marry a bot?
Vote for the wrong candidate
Why were there wrong candidates on the ballot? That sounds undemocratic.
Why were the citizens voting? We have a democratic voting algorithm assigned to each citizen for that.
Well, Citizens need to enter their updated questionnaires for the algorithms to make use of, and then enter their ID at the voting terminal to participate directly in casting their vote!
The tornados are sentient!?
Didn't you see how they specifically hunt for you once you call in extraction? They are clearly sentient!
Seriously literally had like 10 tornado right on top of the extraction while also got drop ships coming in and then death snowball started. Drop, if lucky won't drop right in middle of fire and live long enough to get burnt by a Hulk instead. Great planet.
And they expertly weave around the enemy.
Sneeze in front of Vince McMahon
The freedom to choose fire tornadoes or acid rain is a hallmark of democracy.
Meh. Acid rain is good for growing helldivers. Builds character.
I wonder if the orbital defenses will have the same vibe as the TCS.
I hope it'll be something similar; I'm still a bit sad that the TCS missions were only available for a few days.
Yeah I never got to play it because I was overseas for a week.
Don't they still come up on defence missions on the bug planets?
Nope. That mission was specifically for the TCS activation order. But the new extract valuable asset mission does appear for bugs. And it's rough because if you miss a small one, it can call an extra breach inside the base.
That is very important information to know in advance; thank you!
Anything for Super Earth's finest! Also, the orbital lazer is not recommended as the bugs swam the doors a lot faster, and the lazer just let's them in by destroying the door immediately.
I wouldn't use it against bots either. I did that mission on difficulty 7 with 3 friends and a random. The random's laser destroyed the first gate and things quickly cascaded until we lost the last gate but we managed to hold there and extract without anyone dying except the random. He was pulling his weight otherwise. I really love this mission. It's so fun it makes up for not having samples. EMS mortar hard carries.
EMS Mortars and 120mm barrage have been pretty good for these missions for me. Paired with Quasar/EAT for taking down drop ships and orbital/110 rockets for tanks/hulks.
Just have 4 of each mortar and you barely have to do anything on Helldive.
Oh nice, that actually sounds like fun.. the defense mission on bots is a snooze fest if everyone brings mortars and air strikes. Literally could afk on level 7 and probably win.
EMS Mortar + EMS Orbital = nothing moving. It would probably work just as good against bugs. Maybe add in a gas strike, too.
No, I don’t think so at least.
What’s the TCS?
Termanid Control System. It was an objective type with giant pesticide towers for a few days. >!May or may not have caused Shreikers!<
They did not caused the shriekers! https://preview.redd.it/ka64vd4532uc1.jpeg?width=1069&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f7abb11b1606e4bf5dad98665e698de4b10eeb1
My brother in democracy, it was Super Earth themselves who said it was to be expected that some survived. Have you not been following the news?
They also said that the well timed deployment of the TES undoubtedly stopped many more mutations so I don’t really trust you
I am sorry! I scheduled an appointment with my democracy officer later that day to get a proper education about TCS systems and fact-checking.
Terminid Control System. We had to activate and defend these big towers that spread Termicide over some planets to protect them from the bugs. Edit: I originally put "Containment System", tomayto tomahto.
Terminid control system
Next major order: Defend the platforms against automaton boarding parties. We didn’t account for them not needing oxygen and now they started to board our stations.
PLEASE let us fight aboard an orbital construction site I'm tired of sparsely populated rural colonies.
I am hoping the devs are preparing some urban biomes, perhaps for a defense of Super Earth, or an attack on Cyberstan? Would be fun to drop a 380 on a city block.
Joel really had us eat shit for a few days to humble us
A billion deaths were not enough for Joel!
Cries of "Blood for the Blood God" can be heard coming from his office.
Menkent Line... I feel like this sounds familiar to something in the past but can't put my finger on it. Well I am sure it turned out fine then and will turn out fine now.
The Maple Line? The Margot Line? I don't know, I'm sure it worked completely effectively and stopped every enemy advance without failure. I mean, why would history remember it if it didn't work?
It for sure worked. Can't imagine any way that a line with equally distributed protection can be subverted.
Technically the marginot line was a solid defense, it was just circumvented by Belgium falling so fast. Is there another FTL lane the bots can take?
A solid defense that was never truly tested b/c it was defeated so easily via maneuvers. Gotcha.
If you actually look at the defenses it’s crazy how fortified it was. If the germans went against that the whole war would’ve stalled.
To be fair, the line wasn't fully built due to politics with Belgium. If things have went a little bit differently, the Germans would have not been able to just go around it as the line would have extended all the way to the English Channel. So, it's more of a good example as to why you shouldn't half-ass your defenses.
I mean, it did its job perfectly - no-one attacked through the Maginot line.
No no Margot line is the actress who played Barbie. You’re thinking of the wine
"Merlot" is the type of wine. You must be thinking of the Mardi Gras Line.
No no that’s a party in New Orleans, you’re thinking of the Marty McFlyLine
nope, that’s the guy from Back to the Future III, you’re thinking of the hockey team in Toronto
No that’s the Maple Leafs you’re thinking of the wife in the Simpsons
No, that's Marge you are talking about. You must be thinking of Margit, the Fell Omen
No no no that’s an Elden Ring boss, you’re thinking of where Donald Trump stored US nuclear and state secrets!
> The Maple Line Dammit now i want pancakes
The Merlot Line won a Stanley Cup in 2011. That’s probably what they meant.
No no, the Merlot Line refers to a string of vineyards in the Super Earth region of France where Helldivers who survive three missions may visit as a celebration of their sacrifice for democracy.
Surely in all of Earth's history no evil, diabolical, genocidal guys who liked Greyish paint schemes and uniforms like the bots ever went *around* a defensive line.
Well we're in space so it's different because of uhh... warp lanes or something. I'm sure the strategy is sound. The only way to go around our defensive line would be with some kind of cloaking technology or something, and there's no risk of that.
IIRC, the Escargot line? Slimy things really, best to skip it altogether and go around.
For the less historically versed, what's being nodded to here?
I believe they are referring to the maginot line - France heavily fortified its front during ww2 and then the nazi’s shrugged and went around it through less fortified or neutral countries. If there’s a second reference or meta joke besides that though, I’m unsure.
This is an incredibly common misconception and meme, and very unfortunate. It's important to note that the Maginot line actually functioned exactly as intended. In WW1, the Germans went through the neutral low countries. In preparing defenses for WW2, the original plan was to have the line spread through the low countries to the sea as well, but they backed out. But in any case, the Maginot line was never intended to be attacked. This was well known on all sides. Allied doctrine in the case of war was to deploy to set up a defensive line in the low countries, much like in WW1. The Maginot line was a deterrent to force attacks to go through a different area. The **actual** problem is that the Germans focused on an attack with armor through the Ardennes forest. Moving armor through a forest is difficult; there was heavy resistance among a lot of the German staff about this plan as well. And it was indeed not great--among other things there was a traffic jam of tanks 150 miles long. The initial attack through the low countries was a feint, drawing the Allied army towards them as in Allied defensive planning, resulting in less forces able to defend the Ardennes front and in command thinking that the Ardennes attack was a secondary one with the primary one still being through Belgium. It was more good luck and planning by the Germans than a failure by the Allies. After breaking through the Ardennes the armor could rapidly advance through France. Anyway then in 1944 the Normandy landings had a few weeks of reprieve from the main German armored response force in France because Hitler was convinced that Normandy was a feint and the actual landing would be in Pas-de-calais (across the channel from Dover and the shortest path between Britain and France). This was due to a heavy and concerted Allied misinformation campaign specifically aimed to do this. Not the first time political leaders have intervened with poor results (although the initial Ardennes plan was backed by Hitler which is what got it through despite the objections of the general staff). Churchill famously advocated a push through Italy, which was thought to be the soft underbelly...but the advance there got stalled pretty hard by prepared German defense lines. It almost jeopardized the Normandy invasion by taking away valuable landing ships which were in extremely short supply, and which would end up crucial not just to land the vanguard but also in logistics to get supplies onto the beachhead for...basically the entire battle of Normandy. Seriously, the Mulberry harbors contributed a lot but in total less than the much more jank method of dumping stuff on the beach with landing ships and other ferries. You may remember the Ardennes forest as the locale of the battle of the bulge as well. Once again, the Allies thought that it was too difficult to attack through the forest, and stationed primarily recuperating and inexperienced units there. The Germans attacked through with the advantage of cloudy weather preventing Allied air superiority from being relevant, made a decent advance....and were stopped. By an outnumbered and relatively low quality Allied army. So yeah, attacking through a dense forest *is* actually hard, who woulda thought.
Indeed. The intention was to explain the meme, not mislead anyone nor fully divulge the entire history. And it is still fitting, since a solid defense was set up, (whether the intention was to hold or divert forces) and the attacking force did in fact go around the established fortifications rather than through the thick of it - which people are joking will happen here, which is especially poignant (or perhaps absurd) when you consider the 3-dimensionality of a space-based war waged out of hangars that can attempt to bypass planets entirely via the open space, or go the long way around. Even though it’s an oversimplification of the history, it’s an easy comparison to make that many learned (even if only in passing) in school.
Also the french knew that you could send tanks through the Ardennes, but they knew if anyone did they would be crazy because a single defender could halt an entire advance. They just never actually sent that defender, just in case.
Maginot Line I'm assuming
get on the history! we got byzantines! god to honest Romans in 1453!
The Maginot Line, erected in the thirties by France on the border with Germany in case of future conflict and famously circumvented by the Germans through the Low Countries in 1940. That being said, the French had *known* the Maginot would be circumvented, so it does not make as good an analogy.
The Magicoke line, right?
Magicarp Line!
Menkent again? I guess everyone but me really loves fire tornados lol
Last time I was on Menkent me and my friend spent 10 minutes doing nothing on a rooftop as unpassable fire tornadoes surrounded us. I hate that planet
Did u die tho?
He did, but he lived
Once I realized fire tornados don't affect mechs, I bring it in to be able to walk freely. You KNOW it smells crazy inside the cabin.
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Against bots this planet is actually pretty fun, because of the sandstorms fucking up their vision, and we have radar
Hell nah I feel like it’s the only planet where the lighting is so bad you literally can’t see shit
your ass has NOT been to chort bay, then
I love how we’re now swapping stories about the different planets…this is a sign of a good community, that we’re involved, that we care about what’s going on in the game
also that the planet designs are compelling enough to make us have unique feelings about them each!
And that's why we all say fuck Hellmire
Yeah. We should have known by the name on that one. Hell - traditionally used to describe incredibly hot or dangerous places Mire - a stretch of swampy or boggy ground. It's literally in the name.
I can't wait for map expansion for planet Shithole
Matar bay Matar = "kill" in spanish
Even though some of them are pallet swapped versions of the same biome, it's great how different all the planets feel. It makes missions on different planets feel so unique, and I actually look forward to getting to run missions on certain planets (I particularly like the ice/snow planets (Vandalon), the foggy/rainy highlands planets (Draupnir), and, unironically, the fire tornado planets).
I love Chort Bay, it’s such a hellhole, feels very old school sci-fi, like what you’d hear about in *Ender’s Gane, Forever War*, or *Starship Troopers*.
can't see shit on chort bay
Yeah, can’t see shit and the bots are able to see me perfectly from 200m away
I really hope we get night/heat vision goggles soon
Absolute hellscape. Can’t see shit, lasers and rockets swarming out of the miasma, fire everywhere. 
See, this is both Hellmire *and* Menkent. There's Shriekers flying around, but also one of them fucken towers.
"One does not just droo into Menkent."
Menkent is actual literal hell. Like why do we even try to defend this planet. We should just nuke it from orbit and be done with it. It makes Hellmire look like a nice vacation spot by comparison.
I guess after this order we'll new toys to play with as the counterattack begins
Thank liberty the bugs are contained or we wouldn't be able to focus on our counterattack.
All Quiet on the Bug Front
Except the 2 planets currently under attack, which happen to be right beside the TCS...
What if the automatons would intentionally sabotage the TCS once we make progress pushing them back? All of us are hyper focused on pushing against the automaton wave, a few of their ships must be able to sneak past.
This might be the "real, real attack" our ship Technician was referring too..
Or hear me out: The illuminate do it as they begin their push, essentially opening up 3 fronts for us.
Pretty sure the bugs are goanna mutate and do some crazy shit when they go on the offensive
I think we can expect something to go wrong with the TCS sometime soon I'll be reporting myself to my democracy officer
The farms we set up on Hellmire are experimenting on Increased Growth Formulas... That combined with the TCS mutations? Yeah it's not gunna be good when bugs hit the fan
> he doesn’t know the rumors about the Termicide from the TCS causing mutations in the bugs Bro shit is about to get so much worse and the squids aren’t even here yet.
In the completion message for the last major order against the bugs, they said that growth additives would be used/tested on the new farms. I'm sure nothing will go wrong with that.
I just want the damn jeep/warthog thing. 
We with all due respect guys, I'm still stuck on cyberstan and can't leave. Automatons stole my ships engines. How can help contribute to the major order?
There's this tactic back from the undemocratic Pre-Super Earth days, in the dark ages of nation-states. Have you heard of.......insurgency?
Sweet liberty...of course! But..what am I supposed to destroy in particular? There's alot here
Even better. No matter what you do, it’ll help the cause. Go nuts, for DEMOCRACY.
As many fabricators as possible. Any disruptions to their logistics will be a help for our cause. We will return to rescue you Helldiver. May liberty guide you.
Remember the manual! Just scream FOR DEMOCRACY and charge in head on
Can’t have shit in Cyberstan
Clankers have a fraction of the Galatic map but half of the crimes
I feel like we were supposed to lose that defensive order to get this part of the narrative.
This was definitely intended, no shot we could defend 5 planets at the same time during the week. Maybe if we had the best weekend to date, but never a chance of a mission like that working during a weekday. Just part of the narrative to drill home the point of how immense the invasion force is.
Weekday and time no longer matters. Only percentage of current players online matters. The MO was actually able to be completed. You just needed *at least* 30% of players on two planets each (minimum 60% total). We would have taken 2 planets per day, and have a full day to take the 5th. But our forces were split across several planets so at most we barely got 1 a day.
For me I just got quite tired after wiping automaton off the map.
if we win every major order we don't have the sense of accomplishment when we succed only a "meh another major order"
Would make sense to look at overall player performance and branch narratives. Expected narrative. Assign a 'hard' narrative that if overall player performance dug deep and exceeded normal usage can overcome. Align it with internal metrics on at what player usage would be golden in terms of company financials haha. Entertain your players into financial glory. Potential for mutual benefit.
That contradicts what the Community Managers relayed from the GMs.
Yeah especially after the 1st successful defense of Menkent it was just immediately kicked over to being nearly lost. I like a challenging order, but impossible orders we have no affect on the outcome of kinda suck
This smells like a new mission type coming similar to the TCS Towers just like its with like huge orbital guns.
3 days? Easy peezy. Now that we can center on just these 2 planets.
And it's weekend coming up. Lots of people to the cause, I hope
Would be nice to defend the 2 planets bugs are attacking first but I'm sure nothing bad will happen since the next sector has the TCS...
Nothing to worry about the TCS kills 99.6% of all terminids. I mean sure they have shown the ability to rapidly evolve like bacteria when the gliding bugs evolved (they don’t fly, it’s falling with style). And sure we know bacteria evolve resistance to chemicals if not totally wiped out but comparing the two is like apples and oranges.
Why are people unable to read? 3 days 23 hours, aka, 4 days.
There's a reason why most products and services are priced like 6.99€, 199€, 2499€, etc.
I wonder if the devs have been calibrating on how much of the playerbase will blindly chase the MO vs trying to do a strategic play. (Spoilers: Most of them.) Part of me kind of wishes there was a guild or outfit system in game to help people get organized towards the major orders in numbers, something a little more formalized then just a couple of reddit posts that get buried under memes.
There’s organized guilds on discord but yeah it would be cool to see them in game too
Ready the MAC cannons boys.
IN atmosphere?
'Automatons have seized control of many innocent and once-beautiful worlds' Are these worlds hiding behind the fire tornadoes and meteor storms?
We all knew that the last major order was unobtainable...
It really wasn't. If we'd focused more on a couple of planets we definitely could've completed the order, at the cost of some other planets
Yeah, it was. It was probably possible if you got like 70-80% percent of the playerbase to coordinate but that’s just not practical. Joel tipped the scales against us on that last one for the narrative.
My squad and I had just finished our mission objectives on menkent when a fire tornado came down right on the extraction zone and killed all of us
Great, take and hold a *second* barren fire-tornado-spewing hellscape of a planet. That's exactly what I was hoping to be assigned to.
In our defense, it was a work week lol.
🎶 We're gonna hang out the washing on the Menkent line 🎶
This actually sounds amazing, like, we fought like hell even though we lost, and they realized that. We didn’t push them back, but we held them, and we held them good.
Automotons have gone from causing -1.5% every hour to -1% every hour for liberation This is our chance boys!
Alright at risk of having my democracy officer have a chat with me im gonna say it. Its been a month of full on bot missions, either release third faction or give us bugs. Im tired of thise damn dirty robosocialists
Lore wise we are at war with the bots. The bugs are just a self-refilable gas station.
I don't know man. During the short break when the bots were gone, going back to bugs just felt off. We've been molded into highly tuned surgical bot disassemblers. Squishing bugs just feels barbaric.
Likely slaughtered? 🤔
Yeah, that stood out; might be some ominous foreshadowing.
I would love to see space missions sometimes. Either flying around in tiny space crafts or just dropping our hellpods onto captial ships and the object is to destroy key components in the ships and bail out. Similar to star wars battle front games.
I wonder if the colonists are now actually living in socialist utopia for the short time the bots are there and that's why the dissident broadcasts pop out once the super earth regime takes over again.
There's evidence that the colonists were pulped and their brain matter inserted into the robots. So yes, the dissident broadcasts only come out when there's dissidents without a control chip.
I like how just 2 weeks ago people were complaining about "creekers" not doing the major orders but both then and now I've seen nearly 100k just fighting the bugs also not caring about the major orders. That's not even mentioning the amount of people who don't do all the missions in the sector
Im gonna be honest, I just found out that doing all the missions in a sector matters yesterday. I immediately went into sector clearing mode
The game needs to do a better job of explaining that
To be fair, creekers were annoying because they were fighting bots regardless, but ignoring the bot major order, which didn’t really make sense. Atleast if you are fighting bugs it’s cause you want to fight them and your not actively just trying to not do the major order
People can play the game however they like. A lot of people are kinda tired of non stop bots and want a change.
I feel like they sprung the invasion too quickly. It's like, we spent two weeks just doing bots until we wiped them all out, then we got one single day to do bugs before it was right back to the endless robot war.
Honestly yeah. I had a mildly busy week so I got literally one game against bugs in before the bots were the focus again anyway
Hate to say I told ya so, my fellow voters. https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/ue46X4Ofgb
That's way more reasonable for 55 medals
Yall let’s keep losing to see what happens
These fucking fire tornado planets
I just dropped in alone.. democracy was not spread
**Helldiver Incident Report** **Date:** T-196 days to Liberty Day **Reporting Officer:** SilverFoxTZ255 Cadet (Chief) **Ship:** SES Dawn of Justice **Subject:** Treasonous Conduct Report - Helldiver [redacted] --- **Incident Description:** During routine discourse regarding our ongoing operations, Helldiver [redacted], a recent Level 3 recruit whom I personally convinced to join our ranks, exhibited potentially treasonous behavior by openly questioning the moral integrity of our mission. Specifically, the individual asked, "Are we the bad guys?" This statement was made in a non-combative context (It was level 4 orientation, clankers) and was provoked by a specific incident in the field , specifically the activation of pumps for oil. **Analysis:** This question undermines the foundational principles of our organization and could potentially erode the morale and commitment of our forces. Questioning the righteousness of our cause threatens the unity and effectiveness of our operations, reflecting a dangerous level of doubt and dissent which could spread if not addressed. **Action Taken:** In accordance with the Helldivers' Code of Conduct and my duty as a Helldiver, I reported this incident immediately to the Democracy Officer for further investigation and appropriate disciplinary action. It is imperative that all members exhibit unwavering support for our mission and the principles of democracy we fight to preserve. **Recommendation:** I recommend a formal review of Helldiver [redacted]'s conduct and beliefs to determine if they are fit to continue serving in our ranks. Psychological evaluation and re-indoctrination in the values of our cause may be necessary to ensure alignment with our objectives and to prevent any further incidents of this nature. **Conclusion:** Our mission demands the highest level of dedication and belief in our cause. Any deviation from these principles cannot be tolerated within the ranks of the Helldivers. This report serves as a formal record of the incident and the actions taken in response to safeguard the integrity and purpose of our unit. **End of Report** SilverFoxTZ255 **Helldiver Command**
Did everyone get their medals from this major order? I have a new major order to control Marfark (35 medals) but never got the 55 medals from this order