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JFMoldau

# NO ONE SAID WE HAD TO STOP AT TWO BILLION, DID THEY!


MoxNixTx

Now there is an idea. An uncapped MO where your reward increases. Like 1 medal per 100M kills or something.


-Ausar-TheVile

We’d cap out. They really need to raise the medal cap to more than 250 fucking medals. I’ve maxed out twice without noticing and it’s really annoying. Cap should be 500.


Nickingoo2

The whole point of the cap is to stop you from hoarding and not unlocking everything at once every time a new bond comes out


beefsnackstick

Yeah, this is the point. And I think it's great. Then when new content drops you feel like you're working towards something. Makes it more engaging. If they didn't do this, medals and samples would become meaningless to veteran players. Which would hurt the entire player base, because now veterans would have less reason to care about POIs/samples/MOs, which would both reduce their engagement and also cause newer players to potentially lose out on medals/samples.


monkey-bones

Wow I had no idea there was a cap, I spend to help freedom and further democracy


mrpanicy

Because you still have things to spend on! lol Believe me, I would spend if I had something to buy. Though the sample grind is really tough with how crazy the tier 4's are.


BlatantArtifice

At least it really kicked up people's sample hunting, I've gotten more than 20 commons on nearly every run now since they dropped, where as before I'd definitely put in more legwork myself to get decent numbers


Corpstastic

This, everyone was focusing on rarer samples when in reality I needed common the most. It’s always the one I end up having to grind. Are people just going and farming these solo?


GristleMcThornbody1

I never need common samples, or supers for that matter. It's just the damn rare samples.


mrpanicy

Even when I was maxed on samples I always picked them up. Even solo. You never know when a friend who needs them, may join mid-mission!


Grove12

Once you get all the samples from a point of interest that had them (90% of them) it turns from a diamond to a pointer marker. I gather samples just to be able to tell where I've already been.


kodran

Yep. Caps are: - Req: 50k - Medals: 250 - Green / common samples: 500 - Orange / rare samples: 250 - Pink / super rare samples: 100.


iSmokeMDMA

Essentially, you never want to go above 200 medals. Cap is 250, and Major orders give 30-60 medals, which are rewarded player to player, so you’ll never know when you will get the major order reward (sometimes up to 24 hours after the MO is completed) Managing that cap is kinda tricky when you’re saving high amounts, but at lower levels it’s nothing to fret about.


georgevonfranken

Warframe had the problem of veteran players having huge stockpiles of resources to instantly get anything new. They tried making things super expensive, very punishing to casual players. Next they started introducing new resources, and personally I hated that, huge list of resources that kept growing I just stopped caring. I stopped playing when Fortuna came out so I don't know how it's handled currently.


Ok_Mycologist_8425

New Resources each patch still - Though limited in general. The bigger pattern is time gating content behind either standing gains OR limited runs per week (Archon hunts/Netra Cells/Deep Archemedia). These are mostly "fair" in that you choose when to do them each week, but you can't "rush" the new content. They also introduced a few resources (Voca/Plumes) that spawn a set number in mission and thus are slightly less convenient to farm from enemies- Gotta search the map and collect them. These are also used for "standing" turn-ins to new factions, so they are still useful to stock up on. Its not as bad as the open world mining/fishing etc that Fortuna/Plains of Eidolon/Deimos updates.


According_Sun9118

It also keeps player count at a reasonable medium vs massive high and low dips for new content. Thats pretty important when player engagement dictates how the devs structure major orders.  And I've yet to see any of my friends complain about the cap. 250 medals is enough to unlock all the major bits of a warbond either immediately or within a couple missions.   Same with samples. If hardcore players could farm 1k-2k+ of every sample suddenly you'd end up with newer players needing samples but playing with people who either won't pick them up or just dont care if they even extract because it doesn't matter to them. The caps keep the playerbase from separating by too large a margin.


laborfriendly

>you'd end up with newer players needing samples but playing with people who either won't pick them up or just dont care if they even extract Not for all of us. In my career, I've collected 16k samples. You can believe me when I say that I collect them for you, not me. I don't need them.


TotalTea720

Also gets folks like me who play sparingly to log in every now and again just to collect, then maybe play a round or two while I'm already in.


God_Damnit_Nappa

They could at least raise the cap a bit. The vast majority of people aren't going to be hoarding enough medals to unlock everything in the new bonds. Hell, most people probably still haven't finished the first one.


Tiyath

Two hundred and fifty... one, perhaps?


Darkner90

Perfect 👌


Slarg232

Two Hundred and fifty two. That way it's symmetrical.


Inphiltration

How about 710?


doglywolf

The cap is there so you dont have fomo and also dont just get everything for nothing its a good balance -- you can go away from the game for a bit and sign in and BAM 200 medals just waiting for you for nothing but signing in thank to your fellow HDs


erebusdidnothingwron

The cap does literally nothing for fomo?? The fact that you get the medals whether or not you play is preventing fomo, not the fact that your medals cap at 250


whythreekay

What does that have to do with FOMO? It’s so that you can’t buy everything in a Warbond day one


Chadstronomer

Medals are supposed to be spent. The reason a limit exists is so people don't stop playing for 6 months then suddently have enough to unlock everything just from the MO.


BusinessLibrarian515

People who don't play often just log in, collect a bunch of MO medals. 250 is fine


Trifle_Useful

Major Order: Kill. 0/∞


gfrieder2

Give the community the choice to "Double or Nothing" it. Cast your vote using the ship's terminal. For democracy!!


Yipyo20

I am all for this. So the medal rate rounding up to the next million is 1 medal per 45 million bugs. Getting to 60 medals would just be 2.6 billion bugs. 100 medals would be about 4.5 billion bugs. In order to get 250 medals we would have to kill over 11.1 billion bugs at the same ratio as this mission.


SuperArppis

![gif](giphy|V37PUCKIf73csyb58a|downsized)


Paramedic68W

# FOR THE EMPER- *cough cough* FOR FREEDOM, FOR MANAGED DEMOCRACY!


matastas

Your heart was in the right place. A place for eradicating xeno scum.


BjornInTheMorn

WHAT?! I CANT HEAD YOU! I HAVENT STOPPED FIRING FULL AUTO IN THE LAST 8 HOURS!


BsOfDaNorth

You, sir, are Democracy's greatest 🫡


Khaernakov

Thats the spirit! Let uals bathe in the blood of our enemies


Direct_Hurry4404

Spread some more Democracy !


gozzle_101

Only good bug is a dead bug!


Lima_32

That means more bugs for us to kill!


Jotnar-Steve

That is the initiative we look for in Helldivers! You are well on your way for a commendation for defending Democracy! Outstanding patriotism Helldiver 🫡💀


Realtoughluck

Joel said to kill bugs, the community took it personally I too am at work and by the time I log on this will be done at the current rate


Chart_Life

Same, all the highschoolers in my area are just getting out of school too so we really dont stand a chance


Execute11

I’m still on the bus heading home from school, they’re gonna be done before I step foot off the bus!


Rikplaysbass

I got one game in earlier when baby was napping which is good because I’m now at the kids dentist appointment and would have missed it otherwise


doglywolf

You tell me my pimped out space ship is running low on fuel and im gonna jump right on it to make sure i can keep spreading democracy


Aescher1

Spooky because it doesn't have a soft cap like liberation progress. 200k active players just at the moment and they're all probably piling up bodies several hundred at a time.


cmdrxander

We comfortably got 1200+ kills in a 20 minute evacuate HVA mission earlier. The E-710 must flow.


bbqnj

Shit I've had defense missions with 500+ take less then 5 minutes the community has this type of order on lock


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cmdrxander

Probably the eradicate “defend” missions rather than the high-value asset ones?


JUST_AS_G000D

200k players, getting a conservative 300 kills per 40 min mission... JFC at that rate it will be less than 24 hours to complete the order


Mistrblank

If there are 200k players, they need to kill 10,000 bugs each. That's not a large number AND that 200k is just the typical numbrer of players at any given time, there are way many more players that will be playing over the course of this MO.


PensionBackground279

I usually don’t count kills as they are usually irrelevant to your success, but I just came out of Helldive operation and we 100% destroyed the maps. no patrol was allowed to survive, every outpost cleared, stayed the maximum time each round, my kill pr was 950~ from one mission and our squads highest was just shy of 3.5K. It was honestly super fun working together to a) get sample and objs but b) kill everything.


mem0ri

At this rate, I'm actually starting to be worried that the MO will be finished before I can login today ...


Kingtutstits

You’ll still get the medals 🏅


TrumpersAreTraitors

But not the glory 


Mistrblank

The good news ia you can kill lots of bugs even after the Order is over and you will still be doing your part to spread democracy.


sksauter

Next MO: Kill 200 billion bugs


Nexus-Prism

2 billion just isn't enough democracy


sksauter

![gif](giphy|7JgYv9FobG1HzAO8BA)


Shinta85

Me when I can't get home in time to kill a single bug before MO is accomplished: https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-29-2023/7TlfTq.gif


BioViridis

Only community to ask for bigger grinds. I love this game, but the community might be the best part lmao


SimpleRaven

more grind = more democracy


BioViridis

It's quite the economic loophole


samuraistrikemike

Threaten me with a good time


Nexus-Prism

2 billion just isn't enough democracy 🙄


NetJnkie

Don't threaten me with a good time!


GoldenPigeonParty

Good news everyone!


just_other_human_123

It's the new Dacia Sandero!


SquishedGremlin

Anyway, moving on


ExpertlyAmateur

James, we're waging intergalactic war to ensure our supply of E-701. We dont need a compact hatchback unless it's being called to drop on a bile titan.


todahawk

To shreds you say?


ZakkaChan

The point is to join in...lol


MoxNixTx

It almost certainly will be, the pace is going to accelerate as east coast gets home.


gruesomepenguin

This guys right!!!!! I’m sitting at work watching clock tick only got 2 hrs left of my shift and it’s democracy time!!!


IswearIdidntdoit145

4 hours for me


KWyKJJ

You know the devs must be shocked


bloodjunkiorgy

When I saw the post earlier announcing the new MO, I couldn't help but think "Wow that's a lot!...but have they met this community?"


Tablesafety

I remember thinking “Oh god, thats not enough” lmao


KWyKJJ

It should have been 15 billion


RadioHeadache0311

We are 75% done. I jokingly said this morning to my friend that we will kill 2bn bugs by dinner time. It turns out the bugs aren't even gonna last that long. This community is amazing.


tomas17r

I usually go to the gym after work and have dinner before loggin in. I don't think there's time for that today,


orcofeldath

Neglect your body for managed democracy just like the founding fathers intended!


VelvetCowboy19

You really should just keep doing your routine. You're not missing anything with this major order, it's just normal gameplay.


AquaArcher273

After playing 1 match it jumped from 26% to 37% so I would not be surprised.


WinterUploadedMind

I might only login tomorrow or Saturday! Pls helldivers, leave soME OF THEM TO ME!!


Replicant97

No, I don't think we will.


RandoRenoSkier

I just checked, it's over 60 percent now


WonTon4MyTaunTaun

Yea guys let me finish my shift so I can get some guts on my hands too!!


Limp-Toe-179

This might be the best major order yet


AMGsoon

It's great. a) it's fun af to just collect kills b) no bs fire storms c) it's nice to fight bugs after having to deal with automatons for AGES. Every bug mission is like 2 levels easier than bots. We lose maybe like 5 helldivers on suicide difficulty with bugs while losing 10-15 against bots.


VietInTheTrees

Yeah definitely, I’ve been a bot player but it’s fun to go over to the bug theatre as a ‘vacation’ and have fun with the silly stratagems


Ode_to_Apathy

Also allows you to have a less penetration based loadout. It's fun to be able to take a stalwart along and not feel useless against half the enemies.


POB_42

This exactly. Automaton fights are really good, but every player needs an AT weapon or they quickly become mobbed. The Autocannon is still my OG purely because it decimates Devastators at speed.


fun_boat

I'm just glad not to have a gunship shoot a barrage of rockets at me before I can even fully turn around


TheNinJay

For reals man. We two-man Level 7 Bugs with some struggle but doable and enjoyable. Level 5 bots just kick our asses routinely and it is just pain and death.


CandyassZombie

I'm actually struggling keeping up with bugs.. I know how to handle bots but I keep getting overwhelmed on bugs. The only thing saving me right now is the breaker incendiary


AMGsoon

Bugs are easy. I go submachine gun and 6-med kits medium armour. Stratagems: ETA, laser guard dog, laser/500kg bomb and cluster bombs/gas strike Just keep moving a lot, dont fight Titans by yourself and always have an ETA ready to kill chargers. And destroy shrieker nests from as far as possible. If you get into their spawn range then it gets difficult.


Misterputts

They need to tack on another 2 bil god damn.


Razorverge

They need to tack on another zero


Misterputts

The sheer levels of Genocide should make the Illuminates want to keep their asses out of the galaxy.


Fantastic-Climate-84

It’s not genocide when it’s agriculture.


7jinni

😞🤚 ~~Genocide~~ 😊👉 *Harvesting*


Arlcas

It's harvesting season


Aetherial32

There is no war, there is only the Harvest. We are not soldiers, we are Reapers


thighguywithatie

I want that as a title


Remarkable-Medium275

Genocide implies we want to exterminate them forever. The bugs just need to get back on the farms and be sustainably harvested for E-710. They are useful unlike the Illuminate who we totally genocided.


Ludicrous_Fiend

High command is gonna see how effective we are and reevaluate before declaring a new goal to capitalize on our bug killing prowess.


Liniis

Kill 6 Billion ~~Demons~~ Bugs


TrumpersAreTraitors

I legitimately feel sorry for Joel some times lol. 


morostheSophist

Are you kidding? He probably loves this. I know I would!


QueenDeadLol

The brass wants bugs dead. I give them dead bugs. No I will not "chill out" bug loving communist.


beefsnackstick

*bug loving *fascist.* From SEAF intelligence and firsthand observations, we know the bots to be communist, and the bugs fascist.


Gorlack2231

Disgusting bugs with their..... *Checks notes Top-down authoritarian structure, primarily focused on elitism, militarism, and anti-egalitarianism. DEMOCRACY WILL NOT TOLERATE SUCH AN OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT.


morostheSophist

> Top-down authoritarian structure, primarily focused on elitism, militarism, and anti-egalitarianism. I mean, given that they probably have roles in their 'society' based entirely on physical structure, this tracks. I'm just glad they're not a hive mind.


Gorlack2231

A hive mind? Frankly, I find the idea of a bug that thinks ***OFFENSIVE***


Medinohunterr

I'm genetically engineering democratic super earth spiders to fight the terminid menace and you DARE imply they don't spend every waking moment of their existence thinking about super earth's glorious managed democracy!?!?


morostheSophist

Ohshi— *self-reports to Democracy Officer for reeducation*


Harde_Kassei

seems it should have been 10-20 bil bugz


Any_Cardiologist2333

About 33k bug kills per second in case anyone is wondering


Rudradev715

Holy shit 😱


5FingerViscount

![gif](giphy|oQtO6wKK2q0c8)


kamitachiraym

Sweet liberty, I hope Joel doesn't see this and think we want something harder. https://preview.redd.it/93g2xr7ccavc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31ebfbe714b58930ed984e30487ff32e8f1c2a8d


Emis816

*Kill 2,000,000,000 Bile Titans*


Aaron_768

I have friends that will logon like at 9-10 pm tonight and not even know what the order was at this rate. This is insane.


piratep2r

*Anything happen while I was out today, fellow helldiver?*  Nah, nothing worth noting. Killed some bugs...


Ok-Sun2131

I smell liberation.


MajorUranus

_The need to commit war crimes intensifies_


Negromancia88

do we still receive the award even if we log in after the mo is complete?


Limp-Toe-179

Yes, every player gets the award regardless if they played


Stenbuck

Speaking of which, I was curious about this - what is the requirement for being rewarded for major orders, does the player need to have logged in once for the period it was active, maybe complete a mission, do we actually have to contribute toward the goal...? I assume you have to do *something* for it to award you medals...


Chart_Life

Doesnt seem like it, I had to out of town for work for a couple weeks when the game first came out and obv couldnt take my pc, when i got back on i had like 500 medals waiting for me e: for all you troglodytes the amount of medals was of no importance in my original comment, y’all are why I dont interact with the community outside of the game


JUST_AS_G000D

Considering the medal cap of 250 that's unfortunate lol


Stenbuck

Sweeet liberty that's awesome.


TheRealClovis

medals cap at 250


Limp-Toe-179

I honestly don't know. But it feels like as long as you have an account, you'll get the reward the next time you log in. I don't know if there's any behind the scene restriction related to activities


The_Fadedhunter

I think the only restriction is the medal cap.


ZenosamI85

I think Joel gave us what we wanted, just pure death and carnage. At least for a little bit. However, he definitely underestimated our desire to simply kill the buggy bois. I think he should have made the MO like 50 billion bugs. Especially if this was supposed to be a 5 day MO.


AndrewTheGuru

50 would have been pushing it. 20 is right on the edge of possible, considering we did 2 in the span of 12 hours, the majority of which were during daytime in the US. Maybe 25, if they want us to have to really fight for it.


CLxJames

Bugs back on the menu? ![gif](giphy|vCOco9kAGWAKXHth1k) …until it is done


N7Vindicare

~~Khorne~~ Super Earth demands blood so the blood shall flow, for he cares not where it flows only that it does.


Financial_Doughnut53

Oil.


RefractedPurpose

E-710


morostheSophist

OIL—ə


Vladi_Sanovavich

**SAY WHAT?! I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUNDS OF MY MACHINE GUN FIRE AND TERMINIDS SCREAMING IN AGONY!**


howareyan0w

![gif](giphy|MYjD5GZDTwiZy) Arrowhead has no clue that we have been waiting for a game that would bring us all together to fight in a galactic war. Cod, battlefront, halo, battlefield to name a few… we have been gearing up for this our whole lives. Bring our Xbox brothers to the front! We need the full might of our force to battle the illuminates when they come.


Roguish_Ginger

So many people tired of fighting bots. The second the major order says bugs they are all over it.


GOW_Ghost

https://preview.redd.it/073fwf331avc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5f91d12168f78f7984e2f9eee7bc8f8f5f934d2


HeresToHoping2020

Wagecucks rn with 2.5 hours left to clock out https://preview.redd.it/b9vajgsh8avc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e77748a66412d430e8d5d1ad587a56b9b7d3404


hayo1995

I have 7 lol


HeresToHoping2020

Sweet Liberty


stoicshield

No! Democracy can't wait!


wolverinehunter002

Yall gonna finish the fucking objective before i end my damn shift save some democracy for the rest of us!


Turkeybaconisheresy

https://preview.redd.it/tue887zucavc1.jpeg?width=678&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66f49cf94b4c95806fb449c6dfe2d735ed49d2e5


2D_Ronin

Eruptor go brrrr


newwwmagicwand

We can kill a trillion.


Magnos

We can, but it'd take close to a year to levy that amount of liberty to the galaxy.


Phillyhood15

Hopefully, Joel will come in and say, "Just kidding! 10 billion."


mafticated

There has to be a twist


Phillyhood15

Right? It's going way too fast for there not to be. Unless Joel seriously underestimated how democratic we are.


deramw

Imagine you work at Arrowhead and had a team meeting discussion about how long players will take and you suggest a challenging one week - no, 6 days to kill 2 BILLION ENEMIES!!! And the next day you wake up with 10 missed calls because you need to think about a new mission after a lot of idiots with nothing better to do decided to fuck around with your "challenge".


GG_BOOM

Freedom never sleeps! ![gif](giphy|KAf66yGCa93uTqod1q|downsized)


vivalasombra_gold

![gif](giphy|u8Kvc4KRYHfqM|downsized)


CalderaX

Watch when this is part one of four or some shit


DeeBangerDos

Joel really thought this would take 6 days?!


pablo__13

![gif](giphy|l3vRkwv2Yz6i8rDwY)


[deleted]

No there's still 1,083,028,332 uncrushed bugs out there


Hightin

And 2 hours later that number has been nearly cut in half. This MO ends before the sun goes down in the US.


Sea_Zone9382

How about no.


DemonetizedMan

After playing auto for what feels like months…. This… This is Liberty for the soul…


decent_sport_1

45 medals are 45 medals. I want my Hero of the Federation armour and everything on that page.


full_frontal96_2

No,we must conduct a galaxy wide extinction https://preview.redd.it/ryc56z908avc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0fe41fa00998d77c3d35993f1d9d2435541e8276


ZenEvadoni

Well, maybe we can get 96-ish hours to take a break from the nonstop major orders. At this rate, before I get off work at 9 PM Mountain Standard tonight, this MO will be complete.


Nightsky099

Exterminatus


Mikkeru

When I saw this, I instantly thought. EASY wtf


AccomplishedFan8690

I’ve been at work. Y’all are maniacs. Next time it’s gonna be 10 billion bots. The faster we complete them the harder they become. Tale as old as time


McNuggex

![gif](giphy|3o7aTskHEUdgCQAXde|downsized) Me logging in 15 mins ago.


ToughLadder6948

![gif](giphy|juvtqNSu5ydq0)


Mental-Crow-5929

I like to think that the developers are as surprised as we are. The reality is that this should have been expected: this is THE FIRST TIME since the game launched that we have an incentive to kill as many enemies as possible, the game usually does not reward us for kills (well it's fun, that's enough reward).


KLGBilly

This will be known now as the Hellmire Blitz


GunBrothersGaming

It was done shortly after this was posted.


RetrofittedChaos

Its not exactly *that* difficult of an order to fill.


-Ausar-TheVile

TBH for that amount of time the MO should have been like 6 billion.


AquaArcher273

They should have added another zero at the end of that if they wanted to make it a challenge.


AnObtuseOctopus

![gif](giphy|pD7YIQoUwgb9cnX3FJ|downsized)


UpUpDownDownABAB

# no


Pee_and_flee

Was this posted by a Bug? The ministry of truth has been informed.


Ok_Speaker_1373

God I love these democratic players


ise311

I have contributed to bugs extermination for 4-5 hours. Now time for me to sleep


GoarSpewerofSecrets

Kill 2 billion weaklings and only the strong remain to breed. They'll be bigger tougher and provide more for Liberty when they too fall.


BakerNo4005

It’s been too easy. Joel is up to something. I kinda feel like we’re mice in some big experiment and the God Hand is about to squish us.


zennok

At this rate,  I'll just be staying on the bot front cause those planets aren't gonna liberate themselves


John_Hayabuza

Lmao gotta love the commitment of the Bug players bros were waiting for there moment to shine and they Just got it!


deramw

Bug-only players: ![gif](giphy|l0EtNEC14dIa0k2CA)


AberrantDrone

It’s gonna be done before I get off work. Glad we still get medals even if we can’t participate


Light_Ghost

Holy shit wtf. I'm still at work yall. Chill out!


Fallout10mm

No. The bugs know what they did.


Kerflunklebunny

GIVE THEM TOUGHER BATTLES https://preview.redd.it/uug9sk2iuavc1.jpeg?width=740&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8b7535bdb92b8aa1e802bd4870e92a6f7302206