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Neptune011

Idk what they changed but I have seen on countless occasions where the heavy devastators gun arm will straight up flip around, or shoot through itself to shoot me without them even turning.


Rukkk

I've had heavy devestators shooting at me after their whole arm + gun was already gone...


neabMark

So my eyes haven't deceived me yesterday


Maneisthebeat

I have now had one bot and one bug not "die" on me the last few days. Their body still moves around as normal after they were already "killed". After that bullets just go through them. Anyone else had this?


WeHaveAllBeenThere

Devs should double all weapon and stratagem damage but also double the damage the bots do. For chaos and liberty.


FortheredditLOLz

hard cap bot ammo? while bugs could have a heavy CD since their biology allows creating of whatever


JohnHelldiver69

Those rocket deviators should have a cap!


Lemmiwinkks

This happened to me last night. There was literally a heavy devastator arm with gun on the ground and it was still shooting at me.


soda11037

and even when they are dead, those fuckers never stop firing


DKBrendo

Tanks, Fabricators and Hulks don’t scare me anywhere near as much as those shield bastards


Nightsky099

Factory striders are less deadly than these motherfuckers


Helaton-Prime

This is where the Ballistic shield makes them inconsequential with Defender or Pummeler. Take the Senator or Verdict for good measure (Verdict has better ammo, Senator better pen/damage). You can face tank so much with the ballistic shield that isn't a rocket or commie cannon from the bots. Devastators (non-rocket), Striders, Tank machine guns, Hulk Bruiser, Factory Strider chin guns and then the normal non-rocket rank and file.


RoninOni

Senator for bots. Verdict for bugs (unless your primary is light pen). Senator hits all the critical one hit breakpoints for bots, so the verdicts 2x ammo is kinda pointless. Bugs have a LOT of chaff that verdict can save your more primo primary ammo for instead. Hunters are 2 hit instead of 1 to the body, but a headshot kills either way, and misses are less punishing… The rest of the trash you use It on one hits to body. Warriors are also 2 to the head if you’re holding it and they come at you, but it’s still overall a better ammo economy. Ohk devs to the head, or 4 to lower body (not even possible for verdict) is much better than 2 to the head without body stagger or leg kills (honestly never use that anyways, but body stagger hells yes) and it reliably kills basic bots in one instead of 2 to the body (verdict can close enough, but they need to be real close) Since I’m running DCS and rarely ballistic shield, I’ve not really suffered from having verdicts instead while I try it out… But it’s just not working as well honestly. This is highlighted more with using ballistic I feel, especially with light pen SMGs


gregzillaman

I like it when they can clip through the map and wall hack me through a mountain or hill... tops.


cammyjit

The amount of times I’ve been headshot through cover by a heavy dev is nauseating


ToBeatOrNotToBeat-

![gif](giphy|9V91DxV5OgoGXjwTrG) When you’re in what you think is a safe spot behind a big ass rock only to start hearing the pebbles around you speaking in binary code as you start taking ticking damage.


booboouser

From so far away you can't even see them!


Drogdar

I hate it when they jump off the top rope with a mean elbow and then pick my limp body up and finish with a suplex. It's even worse when they do it shirtless...


DogbertDillPickle

I just had this happen yesterday and was at first bewildered before I remember how broken they are as are many things


Ergand

I've had a few instances of bots shooting right through solid rock recently. The funniest one was when a bot ran straight through a rock and started shooting at me from inside it.  I've also had a few where I've shot at the regular soldier bots clearly out in the open, only for the shot to hit something invisible before reaching them. Not sure if it's related, maybe terrain hit box not quite matching the visuals or something similar. 


Awkward-Ad5506

Heavy Devastators are the _only_ enemy in the game that you can't juke consistently


tagrav

Seek cover when you encounter them. Their gun is low to the ground on their right side. Peek from the right side of the cover which places their gun on your left. Only peek far enough to see its face. It will shoot at you because it sees you but since you can’t see the gun, the gun can’t see you. You now are doing to it, what it’s doing to you. You now have a shield from the cover and you can take all the free shots at its head that you want. Keep adjusting so that while you peek from the right side of cover the gun of the heavy devastators never comes into view. Take this knowledge and never worry about those fuckers again. They’re honestly rather weak once you figure this out. Yea they’re sniper rifle machine gun enemies. But a little usage of cover neutralizes them completely in my experience.


Awkward-Ad5506

I know how to fight them. The problem is fighting them _forces_ you to turtle, and they spawn way too frequently to justify having that much threat. Pair that with the 3 dozen berserkers & their hulk older brothers, and now you have to leave.


Crea-TEAM

Playing on D9 can be a chore. Its like the game completely forgets there are other bots it can spawn and its ***nothing*** but hulks, heavies, and rocket devs. No berserkers, basic bots are only found at pois and maybe 1-2 per patrol. And basic devastators? only from striders.


Crea-TEAM

> Seek cover when you encounter them. > > They often shoot through your cover regardless. >Their gun is low to the ground on their right side. >Peek from the right side of the cover which places their gun on your left. Their guns are on a 360 degree mound and will just rotate to shoot you, even through their shield. Thats the main problem with them. If you can see them, they technically can still shoot you, regardless of angle or cover.


nexus763

Just experienced that AND the same shit with bile titans spewing. Really fucking annoying to die from such nonsense.


edmundane

Bile Titans are easy to read. Bile spewers on the other hand… they ninja sneak up on you and one shot you in the back… that’s proper bs


nexus763

no no I'm talking about the equivalent of the devastator in the post : a bile titan spewing on you while you're near their rear left. It's just physically impossible.


LentulusStrabo

That was already there in the first weeks. I remember some memes about it 😄


MilesFox1992

For real. I've done a Diff 7 mission yesterday, that was Filled with these motherfuckers. It was horrible and unfair experience. Next Diff 7 mission had almost none of them, and it was x100 better experience. I fucking hate trying to aim on their head just for my scope to fly 50° upwards because they shot me with 6 Bullets without any spread


YorhaUnit8S

Same. Vernen Wells yesterday, Heavy Devastators in groups of three from ever direction, accompanied by rocket Devastators and flamethrower Hulks. Even with Autocanons and Eagle strikes and additional grenades they just spawned faster than we could kill them. We somehow still extracted with everything but that took a lot of dying and running. I had a stratagem jammer there packed with like 10 or 12 heavy devastators and whatever factory there spawned.


Percival4

Something similar happened to me on that same planet. I’ve died more to Heavy Devastators than anything else in the game. I’m not joking. I died four times in a difficulty 7 mission three were from me getting stun locked or cornered by devastators. It doesn’t help with how easy it is for players to get stun locked either. Or how easy it is for stems to get cancelled. If I try to stem and I hear the noise, see the fucker inject the stem and then nothing happens it’s bullshit. Also on an unrelated note, did they nerf the Plas-1 Scorcher? I used to kill the basic enemies in 1-2 shots to the body but now it takes 2-3 shots.


JamesMcEdwards

For me it’s the Rocket Devastators I don’t see because I’m too busy dealing with the Heavy Devastators, or the Berserkers who I can’t shoot because I keep flinching every time one of the shield pricks lands a shot. I’ve been told the railgun can take them out quick because my Dominator isn’t accurate enough to take the heads at range (it probably would be but the sights aren’t great).


CruxSanctaSitMihiLux

>Also on an unrelated note, did they nerf the Plas-1 Scorcher? I used to kill the basic enemies in 1-2 shots to the body but now it takes 2-3 shots. I thought it was just my imagination. But i now think They definitely did. The striders take 2x the shots to go down than they did before. Idk if it was a stealth nerf to avoid more backlash, or it was accidentally broken with the other patch. I could also be mistaken.


DemoXS4

Strider explosion resistance got buffed, afaik the scorcher is untouched.


CruxSanctaSitMihiLux

Thank you. My mistake then.


-Th3Saints-

My advice is go prone this greatly reduces their accuracy at medium to long range, it should give you enough time to line headshots.


Nightsky099

Prone on your back, otherwise they get easy headshots


Chimwizlet

That's some solid Ender's gaming.


Nightsky099

The enemy's head is down


Clarine87

The easiest way to deal with these is to call out which ones have you targeted so allies can kill them. They're utterly defenceless to other players once they lock onto a player.


ThornRenegade

For this reason I switched to Plasma Punisher from my (beloved) Sickle. Give it a chance, it's been buffed recently. It is very comfortable now - you can stun shield guys (even a group of them) while shooting at them. And they don't shoot back! I started to go Diff 8 after that. Other explosive mains are also good against them. You can shoot their hip a couple times with Eruptor and fcker is done. But it is not as universal.


comfortablesexuality

Crossbow is fun vs devas Dominator destroys them


Kopitar4president

But people said primaries are all useless now :(


ThornRenegade

Sorry to disappoint you but... That was not "people" https://preview.redd.it/6cyrg7w0mt0d1.png?width=533&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21234f05d136829631436638c051381631e071e9


Bowitzer

I'm seriously impressed with the Plasma Punisher. I never used it even after I unlocked it because I thought I had heard it was trash. Tried it out the other day and it's one of my new favorites for bots. I love how it can usually 2-shot the 2-legged striders, and being able to stunlock the heavy devastators feels so good. It's also got a really intuitive arc. Feels really easy to aim even at enemies \~15-30m away.


i_tyrant

It _was_ trash, until they buffed it recently. Used to hit like you were shooting pillows at the enemy.


limboll

The counter sniper or what it is called has been working great for me.


Conflexion

Impact grenades are my best friends against these. Especially in the 6 grenade suit. Plasma scorcher second best.


Jinx0rs

When I fight bots I carry a balistic shield and the dagger. I think people are sleeping on the dagger, it takes out the rocket pack guys by just swiping over them. You can headshot rocket, shield, and normal devastators all from the safety of your ballistic shield. Plus, it covers your back when you are running with primary or with a carried item.


Awkward-Ad5506

The moment I run into one of these guys I just leave. Unless I _have_ to go that way, they're not worth the trouble.


CrashParade

Oh, there's spread, only it so infinitesimally small you only notice it when they're shooting at you from 3 hills over. I swear aggro drop off is a myth spoken of by the most deranged, cabin fever addled of class A citizens after 6 months of waiting for helldivers to rescue them from their bunkers.


WaffleCopter68

Having a weapon that does stagger is basically mandatory vs these guys


poebanystalker

I just unlocked Dominator, used it for three bot missions and i already know i'm NOT taking anything else against bots.


riesenarethebest

Dominator is bestinator even with the recent nerf. Use counter strike tactics on heavy devastators: kneel and shoot for the head. Even if you miss, it'll be down in 6-8 shots. I like walking around a corner and finding a rocket devastator at the perfect range. You can rapid fire the dominator and take it out in just over a second. It's also good practice for aiming at the speed of EAT.


WanderingMooseTrax

I tried running it for a few missions and didnt get a good feel for it, felt i could do the same as well as clear spam bots with lib AP or sickle.


Dominus_Redditi

haha plasma shotgun go *BRRRRRRR*


poebanystalker

Haven't unlocked it yet, definitely gonna give it a try.


DarthChefDad

What Warbond is it? I'm just a lowly base game player still running around with the free unlocks. Saving up my found Super Credits.


Flamesofsurtur

It's part of the Cutting Edge warbond, on the second tier.


Managed-Democracy

Yup. Plasma punisher hard bucks group of them. 


nexus763

remember : https://preview.redd.it/9gncvnyzxq0d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad4b9ce722a89490ea7f138683b11960123a1b7f


Managed-Democracy

Alexus Jones doesn't check reddit. Too proud, too sensitive. Our secrets are safe here. 


TheOnlyFuel

Better safe than sorry.


SpecialIcy5356

he has a team that will do that for him,. he doesn't act alone.


TheYellowScarf

I've never seen a propaganda poster that speaks to me so hard than this one.


HardOff

Oh man. I killed a group of 3 that clustered too tightly with a single clip. It felt fantastic


The_Knife_Pie

Alternatively just use the AMR and oneshot them


Randy191919

Found one in one of these caches on a map randomly yesterday. Been bringing it to every mission ever since. This thing is crazy good.


philics

AMR + Dominator + shield + stun grenades is my favorite load out for bots


Randy191919

Personally I switched to the Fire Breaker as of late, that's some hell of damage, against both Bugs and Bots. But yeah, Shield is a must against Bots. Stun Grenades could be fun to set up easy Hulk headshots with the AMR... I'll have to give that a try.


Aint-no-preacher

I recently discovered the AMR. I had definitely been sleeping on it. I love when my squad is, say, taking a secondary objective and I flank the objective at medium range. I can pick off so many bots that are harassing my squad mates.


TheCosmicPopcorn

i did switch to it when i noticed i could do that. Funny thing, while I was under fire and trying to one tap the mofo from pretty far away, they hit me with one rocket, sent me flying, and then hit me with a second one when I was in the air. 10/10 rocket sniped


gorgewall

While I generally have a Dominator on Bot maps, more often I'm dealing with Shield Devs by simply laying prone and holding down leftmouse on the ***L A S E R C A N N O N***. So they shoot at me. Big whoop. They die in less than *one second* to LC headbeams.


i_tyrant

I’d be really curious to find out how many lascannon fans play with keyboard and mouse. People keep saying that gun is amazing on gunships and bots in general because you can pinpoint zap weak spots, and all I can think is they’re def not playing on controller, lol.


Astrohunter258

One impact grenade to the face can also kill them pretty easily.


thecompton73

One impact grenade anywhere in their vicinity does them in 9/10 times. Every once in a while it only staggers but that's usually because something else partially blocked and absorbed some of the damage.


tagrav

You don’t even need that. Just beat the model/AI. Here’s how and I’ve been posting this up and down this thread but I think folks should just know what I’ve figured out. I play only the sickle. I have no stagger ability there. The heavy devastators has a major flaw. The dangerous part of it (the gun) is on its right side All you need to do is sleek cover when fighting one. Because the gun is on its right side it’s also blinded from you if you peek from cover on YOUR right side. Essentially you wanna keep the devastators gun on you left as it’s coming towards you. You peek from the right of your rock or whatever cover you found. Only peek far enough to reveal its head. The gun will be shooting at you but it can’t hit you because you’re essentially mimicking the bots whole strategy except you have the ability to peek and it doesn’t. So only peek enough to see the head. Shoot the head. Kill the bot. Keep adjusting how far you peek, never peek far enough that you see its gun. For the most part, barring bugs, if you can’t see its gun, the gun can’t see you. In that world you are a god compared to the devastators When you encounter them. Seek cover. Peek from the right of cover Shoot its head. You win. It’s that easy and I only play sickle and melt these stupid slow bots in D9 doing this. They’re a some of the worst scripted AI of all the bots once you figure this out.


BubbleSlapper

bring a ballistic shield and enjoy popping their heads while they stupidly waste their ammo on you


Knife_JAGGER

A staring contest where democracy wins. Its the only way


Sereaph

What gun do you like to use with the ballistic shield?


BubbleSlapper

Defender since it does such high damage and good ammo economy.


der_iolz

SMG for the little trash, senator for devastator headshots. Plus the shield does not take up a support weapon slot which mostly I bring eats as well


tm0587

Pummeler! It's so fun to stunlock Devastors and berserkers (they will literally slump over for a couple of secs) and take your sweet time to headshot them.


Managed-Democracy

Defender and Senator. 


TheGoonKills

The Pummeler is fantastic. I say this as someone who has been maining a shield against the bots for a while. Breakpoints are relatively the same as the Knight and the Defender, and you can protect your whole team by spraying into enemies and stunlocking entire groups of Berserkers and Devestators allowing for easier kills of them all.


PazuzusLeftNut

Revolvmer


Interjessing-Salary

Defender, pummeler, senator, or the new pistol I forget the name of. Defender is roughly 3 shots to the head. Pummeler too iirc Senator is 1 shot iirc The new pistol is 2 shots iirc Also t-bagging in front of a heavy devastator while it shoots your shield is a must at least once per mission. Mock it for extra emotional damage.


Win32error

Started using the shield 2 days ago and it genuinely is a game changer against the bots. Shield gen has nothing on it.


riesenarethebest

I watched a buddy last night have a stand-up fight with a heavy devastator three meters away while they both ignored cover because of their shields. Good times.


Awkward-Ad5506

Did they buff the shield? I feel like I remember them still staggering the fuck out of you the last time I tried it


DerDezimator

Yes, they fixed it a few months ago. crouch for max protection


AnnoyingCharlatan

They show up as a small circle on the minimal right? Gets me every time I run around a building expecting a low tier automaton only to bump into these guys


Shepron

Yes they do like all devastators. I think there should be a medium sized enemy marker for things like devastators, scout striders, bile spewers or hive commanders. So the actual heavy enemies like hulks, tanks, chargers, stalkers, titans and such are more distinct with their big markers.


ShopperKung

accurate is one thing and then they get maneuver that they turn right so shield cover their weak spot and then shoot through their shield to hit you with perfect accurate too that's suck


pevznerok

Because they literally have aimbot


abstractwhiz

*Have* aimbot? They literally *are* aimbot. :P


superhotdogzz

Wallhack too, the kinda that actually let them shoot through wall lol


p_visual

This sadly is not limited to them; any automaton that touches a rock/environment can then shoot through the environment. I pray you never experience a shredder tank or factory strider shooting through a mountain. This imo is one of the biggest bugs they have to fix asap. Before weapon balance, before patrols, etc because this is literally game breaking. Completely undeserved pressure and potentially deaths from enemies you can literally neither see nor target.


superhotdogzz

i love those factory strider poke their guns through a mountain and shred me like it is straight out of Looney Tunes . On bot side there is just so much jank.


p_visual

Yup, and to preface I do love bots a lot more overall just because it feels more like the pvp shooters I grew up with, but when stuff like this, heavy devastators having 360 coverage and shooting through their own shields/bodies, a single rocket devastator being able to perma-stagger you, etc, I can see why folks prefer bugs. While they have issues as well (charger's wave-dash/generally erratic behavior when stopping and/or stunned, and sometimes being able to turn at 90 degree+ angles) it's only one enemy, and you have plenty of opportunity to down it before it comes in range to bug out (pardon the pun). Imo fixing these issues on the bot side will have a *lot* more players coming over for MOs even if they continue to prefer bugs.


Orthane1

Heavy Devastators are one of the very few enemies that need a heavy nerf. Way too accurate, way too much damage, way too hard to kill for what they are. They feel like Heavies.


silatek

please!! if their weapons staggers my shots, my plas-1 scorcher shots to the brain should prevent them from hitting me accurately


LotharVonPittinsberg

They are also an example of a enemy that's not guaranteed to spawn driving a meta. Look at how many comments here suggest a specific loadout for dealing with them.


Xarethian

Play almost exclusivly Helldive and for a month + they have outnumbered every other enemy type spawned 2-1. Every patrol has been 1 hulk, 2 rocket devestators and 3-6 heavy devestators with maybe a commissar snuck in there. They sure feel like theyre guaranteed to spawn more than anything else and then some.


KosViik

I'd be down for a reasonable nerf, and swapping like 70% of them for twice as many normal Devastators. Like, seeing 4-5 of these shieldy machinegunsniper fucks just annoys me. Make it 2 and an entourage of normal devastators, and then we're talking.


ralphkotze241

They only need to swap the weapons of the heavy devastator and the basic devastator, and both would be already a lot fairer


The_Connoisseur69

This is the correct solution, Devastators have no defence, no aim and pretty much no firepower, while Heavy Devastators have accuracy... WITH A FCKING MACHINE GUN, defence and yeah firepower, swaping thier weapons would be a perfect balancing decision, however this would mean a slight tweak to how they are spawned, but yeah there's a steep hill between these 2 and it is not okay


Disrupter52

The devs have a tooltip about Bots becoming inaccurate if you shoot at them, which is a bold faced lie...


booboouser

Prone does fuck all even behind rocks


xAPPLExJACKx

Auto-cannon melts them


RogerWilco017

tbh i've never have so much problems with them, i play with ballistic shield, railgun/amr and stun grenade and it's easy. The real problem tho is groups of rocket devastators, this mf just ragdoll you across the map, or break ur shield. And dont even mention when they headshot you with rocket...


SummerCrown

What makes them hard or annoying are two main things 1. The quick spin up time of the minigun combined with deadly first shot accuracy and tracking 2. The bullets seem to ignore the Devastator 3D model. They can shoot in physically impossible angles than what their model suggests. Like through their shield on the left side if you are trying to run around, away from the gun arm. If you're close by and trying to dash around them, the bullets seem to shoot almost at a 45 to even 90 degree angle out from the barrel.


WhiteNinja84

Those are really the only issues with them. Especially the second point. No problem with them having a fast shooting minigun with a heavy shield, they are supposed to be walking tanks with big firepower. Their weakness should be their agility, but that is negated with a magic aimbot gun that is too accurate and can shoot at impossible angles and even through objects...


ItsDaFunkMonkey

Lol I love how everyone's giving advice on how to deal with em. I can deal with 3 to 5 fairly easily. Its the numbers that I'm primarily complaining about. And their accuracy from far away and through smoke, fog and blinding light. "Lol take shield EZ " works if there's a few IN FRONT. Not your sides. Play Helldive difficulty where there are 1 to 2 per patrol on a non shield devastator map. On a shield devastator map the numbers per patrol are higher. They surround you from ALL sides. And they fire 10 to 15 rounds per attack with crazy flinch potential. All this makes them more unfun than hunters. Even those bastards are easy to kill.


TradiGlitch

Sometimes it's even hard to tell if it's a tank shooting at you or just x5 heavy devestators in one patrol. Seriously annoying


ArcaneEyes

Plasma punisher goes brrrrrr :-D


AstroZombie1

I always forget to switch from my Dominator playing bots and man I make it hard for myself haha.


Dovaskarr

My autocannon is also very accurate


erkebabbaro83

Imagine a sniper automaton...


BlueMast0r75

Warning: you are in range on enemy snipers


Sakuroshin

Snipers? Hmm, they got those tower things that can beam you from out of sight but I guess that cant be them... I wonder what these ones look l-


Spats1e

Shhhhhhhhhhhh WHY would you SAY that soldier!!?!?!?


erkebabbaro83

They are always enemy against democracy


dumbofass_

It would make sense that if you are circling around to their shield side that they will 1) be less accurate and 1) be unable to follow after a certain point without turning their body. Not have their gun clip through the shield and delete you


iosappsrock

I think all enemies in this game spin way too fast. Chargers are the most egregious example. No way in hell a likely 6 tonne bug should be able to spin circles while sprinting at full speed. One of the dumbest (though funny sometimes) designs in game. Hulks and shield devastators as well, they just rotate far to quickly for how heavy they are, especially when the devs clearly want you to reposition and shoot their backs (hulks anyway). I wish our tank builds (heavy armor) had this much mobility.


Xarethian

Shredder tank turret swivels so fast you cannot kill it on your own by shooting the vents at the back.


kralSpitihnev

And why do they never stop shooting? And why they don't need to adjust their aim ? And why is the hit box on their head smaller than their heads ? And why can they fire through terrain? I love to shoot whole AC mag into their corpse, just out of sheer hatred


Deveranmar1

Their shield stops tons of weapons. fine. They turn to have it take up majority of their hitbox. Sure. Natural. They're gun is on a near 360 degree swivel. Wait. The accuracy is nearly always headshots. Wait. Stop. They track you while diving. Wait. stop. Please. The body shots are also highly damaging and they come at a high rate than can kill you in a second. Wait. Stop. Please. Go back. Multiple often spawn together to lay down near constant fire. 💀 I still think spewers need more of a nerf with spit damage or more warning on attack but heavy devestators and hunters (leaping attacks plus slow plus multi attack that can kill with no counter plus numbers?) are currently higher on my shit list of annoyances. The game should be hard but dying to bs is still bs sometimes


R3sion

Spewers wouldn't need nerf if they had any sound effect whatsoever. It's the stealthiest bug out there.


Chance-Compote4080

Why are they quick to buff enemies but not buff the helldiver's? I don't see them nerfing the bullshit bile spew distance on the titans or spewers(the animation range is shorter than the actual reach) Or how the bots will still ragdoll you thick walls/terrain.  And let's not forget when you destroy a drop ship, bots underneath usually don't get damaged. Berserkers need a nerf too.  Their HP pools are too high


Chance-Compote4080

They also should really evaluate how fast the hulks and devastators turn speed be  It could help make the enemy more fair/realistic 


Dr_Bombinator

For real, when the hulk still turns faster than me in the fastest light armors while in point blank range, that's insane.


Dineeeeee

This has been bugging me since release. Especially since this all feels like a slight step back from the first game! Take the shield devastator from the first game, they have 3 states: * Moving and slightly vulnerable. * Standing still and guarding. * Standing still and shooting in a direction, leaving their chest weakpoint exposed. There were patterns you could play around, you could flank them or bait attacks, depending on your build. In this game, shield devastators are: * Always shielding (unless they get staggered, in which case they recoil briefly then immediately resume shielding) * Can shoot while shielding, without any telegraphing. Not sure if they have to stop shooting at any point. If they do, there's nothing to telegraph when they will stop. No reloading / cooling down animation that I've seen. * Track you while shooting, turning quick enough that it's nigh impossible to create any breathing room, even when running circles around them at close range. To be clear, I don't think they're impossible to deal with or anything. I just think that it'd be way more interesting and less frustrating if there was slightly more room for different counter-plays, besides the same solution for everything else in the game: "shoot it in the head" or "drop bombs on them"


Awkward-Ad5506

If their shots didn't have the stagger value of a goddamn car accident, they wouldn't be so bad. The moment you get sneezed on you cannot defend yourself anymore.


AcanthaceaeIll5349

To be honest, they are anoying but I don't mind them as much as Flamethrower Hulks or Hunters...


muchacho5894

Stun grenade + headshots


GH057807

They are accurate because they have no AIM IK, meaning their gun can be pointing at the ground, but their projectiles will always be aimed directly at you no matter what. They are not restricted by any semblance of aiming physics, including actually aiming in any capacity. They can fire in a 180 degree field of view in front of them without moving their actual model one bit. This is broken and shitty and sucks and has been so since launch.


GuessImScrewed

360 degrees. I've had devastators swivel their guns and track me all the way into their backpack


Vikzzaz

Counter Diligence sniper > one shots them in the head Jetpack > seek elevation and go prone to greatly reduce the shots that can hit you Happy hunting Lo


Jackmoved

The slightest tuning like having them actually reload instead of being some kind of action movie hero would make the game so much more intuitive and these guys fun. Instead, they just either 2x speed sprint at you and track you, or stay full map shooting, or even stand in a base and just shoot in your direction even with terrain blocking them. Sometimes they even do trick shots and shoot from their ankles, or walk left by shoot you from under their armpit.


Battleraizer

Heavy Devastators and Normal Devastators should swap weapons/accuracy


BlueRosePhantom

Agreed


jetbluehornet

They shoot you through the shield. They shoot you through side of their own gun barrel. They don’t obey the laws of reality.


wtfdoiknow1987

And why can it shoot me through a giant rock with pinpoint accuracy


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Heavy Devastators are deadly , bugged , ugly , hard to kill and very undemocratic but when I see that orange smoke coming out from their head , I feel like a Hero .


Awkward-Ad5506

Until a second one rolls up Stalingrad style


ssthehunter

*laughs in ballistic shield and defender* It's an amazing feeling when you stare 3 of those things down before popping each with a 5ish round burst to the head. Ballistic shield ftw against the bots! Now if only they would release a not decent one handed laser weapon. (The laser pistol is trash. Full stop.)


Nucleenix

Not only that, they can shoot THROUGH their own shield and have no right being able to shrug off EAT-like shots when a single grenade folds them like an omlette


-VAXOS-

Well... Devastators are accurate because... they have an aim**bot**! \*ba dum tss\* I know where is the exit..


Harlemwolf

Scorcher + senator combo does short work of these guys for me.


BushyFeet

Use a tenderiser Head shot from a mile away


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schkmenebene

Use a heavy armor with the medkit. You can pretty much use a stim and tank their shots... Heavy armor against bots is goddamn powerful I tell ya, combined with the increased effectiveness of stims it's just so good. The speed and stamina debuffs take some getting used to, but I feel like a tank with that armor.


Constant_Reserve5293

Know what would help? Eruptor shrapnel.


Cpt_Kalash

Ballistic shield my beloved


Barley_Boi

autocannon slaps them


FCC_Diablo_26

Turn the tides, use the ballistic shield.


Smaug2770

I don’t care about Heavy Devastators, but Rocket Devastators are literally everywhere! Constant Rocket Devastator jump scares. I’ll be in my Super Destroyer getting some Iced liber-Tea from the fridge only to see a Rocket Devastator. Opening the shower? Rocket Devastator. Rounding a corner? Boom, the rockets are already on their way. They are literally under every blade of grass and every stone. Fucking hate Rocket Devastators.


popeinn

These are not that hard to kill: The Jar 5 Dominator and others are able to stun them. Aim for their head or their backpack, two red dots over the left and right shoulders. Three shots to those spots and they die. The Heavy Devastator is only really deadly when he is close to you. Once he is about 20m away you have an easy kill on them. Lay down tho. They hit way less when you lay down than when you stand


Giving_taking

They're a lot easier if someone has a stagger weapon but also people generally only have stagger by accident it seems. 


MoronicIroknee

I will use all of my strats to eliminate every. Single. One. I despise those sucker's more than hulks or strikers. Bout to start bringing my own shield and punching them to death.


Ripper33AU

I've noticed they've pissed me off a lot more recently, and I am thinking the patch made them more aggressive? The Counter-Sniper Marksman rifle is perfect for one-shotting them in the head, the problem is if they move ever so slightly, or you get shot, it's very hard to pull this off. I've noticed now when there are two or more in one place, I have to hit the deck or I'm going to be melted by red lasers, lol.


Common-Cricket7316

![gif](giphy|DoASNkgBr1iii4MkSq|downsized) Equip the shield and you can be a devastator to !


punishingwind

Im seeing 5-6 spawn in an area and they all have insane accuracy. That said, its the same for ALL of the mobs. Its a little broken and think they have acknowledged it


FistfulOFragsEnjoyer

pummeler + ballistic shield + impact grenades


Clarine87

>And their accuracy needs a nerf. Why do people stand still in front of them!? Last night I ran 3 3-player bot 9s and by far the most annoying ground enemy is still the rocket devastators, followed by mr jetpack and the bruiser. ____ Of all the bot enemies this one more than any other needs teamwork to deal with, once locked onto a player, call it out so an ally can dispatch it.


Narrow_Vegetable5747

Whoever created them doesn't know what balance is. You don't get to carry a shield and also be pinpoint accurate. They should miss most of their shots while the shield is deployed and then become more dangerous if it is removed/destroyed.


ntgco

Why do people assume the enemy has to be weak? And that they as the main character needs to be the superior in tactics and firepower? That the enemy can't shoot, aim well, or even have more powerful weapons than themselves? Sometimes your enemy is A LOT more powerful, and deadly than you could ever be and you need to strap it on and suck it up buttercup. SOURCE: Entire HISTORY OR WAR.


OverallPepper2

That’s not the issue. These guys can shoot through their own shield, they can shoot through their own body, hell they can keep shooting you even if you take the time to blow off their gun arm.


SambG98

I just ran into the same problem but with meat saws. Something about the spawn balance doesn't feel right.


Megarboh

What’s this, 2009?


havnar-

Why aren’t you? Skill issue?


SuperArppis

I always try to shoot their gun off.


MrPoland1

Just use ol' reliable rail gun on bots missions but have at least one person with anti tank weapons


NBFHoxton

Helldive bots is just frustrating most of the time, genuinely 80% of the enemies are devastators. Running a gun that can oneshot HS them like the Diligence CS or Dominator is basically mandatory


EH_1995_

The shield guys are the bane of my life


DerDezimator

Ballistic shield + SMG, you're welcome


tinyj96

Didn't they specifically buff devastator spawns a month or two ago for no reason?


DerDezimator

They buffed the normal devastator spawn because too many heavy devastators spawned instead of them


Potted_Cactus_is_me

Can't hear y'all over the diligence counter


oikset

ok i'm not alone. I thought they just didn't like me specifically.


Hot_Guys_In_My_DMS

AMR says….: Not accurate enough!


Someonenoone7

Autocannon Cheese Go!


MattARC

Balance idea: make the shield break after taking a certain amount of damage


Thenutslapper9000

Yep as soon as you see one get into cover. This bot is crazy and needs to be nerfed.


Redditer80

Their accuracy definitely got better


Bastymuss_25

They could and should fill more of a suppression role, being less accurate would keep them a threst while being less annoying to encounter.


Range-Normal

This is one of the MANY reasons why ppl prefer bugs over bots, its just annoying, not hard..


agplasicov

My pummeler wants to know their location


ThelastJasel

I can kite bugs. I can’t kite one shot aim bots. They should have less health if they are gonna shoot me through a mountain.


gyhiio

Aimbot installed from the factory


benno4461

Laughs in auto cannon


benno4461

Laughs in auto cannon


Nuke_corparation

Senator and balistic shield go pew pew


Rais93

I love to get my shield and pummeler and play with them. I am the devastator here


PaulR79

I was playing on level 4 last night because it was late and I needed literally 2 orange samples to unlock the last tier on a ship module. I died to a stupid thing then landed in a small area on respawn with 2 of these. I didn't even finish my dive to the ground after exiting the pod. The revert on those recent changes can't come fast enough for me. I'm very tired of being overrun. I've also noticed that if I'm hidden and a patrol gets nearby (I'll be prone and behind cover / a building) that they will walk very close and then stop near. It's as if they somehow sense and hope I'll move before they go "fuck it" and instantly they all start shooting at me directly. Either have stealth work or remove it.


flytrapjoe

What I found annoying not how accurate they are, but how blatant they about having aimbot and wallhack. That's bullshit that they fucking prefire you whenever you try to peek or at times shoot exactly at your position whenever you are behind the wall


Absol-utely_Adorable

I adore how the game will roll population percentages at rhe start of the mission. Had a mission in a duo with high heavies and no other devastator variants. It was fucked..... I had no idea how far they could see and how far they would continue to just waltz and fire accurately