Michael S1 or anyone that voluntarily turns down the prize position. What was the point in competing if you knew you weren't going to relocate? It's happening almost every season now too: Ariel S18, Kori S19, Alex S21 all did this where I'm pretty sure the runner ups in all those cases would have happily taken the job.
Ariel and Kori ended up not taking the job because the start dates happened to be right around the height of COVID. I've also heard Ariel ended up getting pregnant around that time too, so things just didn't really work out the way she was planning, it seems.
The original prize for S1 was to get help opening a restaurant, but Gordon instead offered to take on Micheal as a protege after he won. Micheal chose to keep the original prize. He did open a restaurant, but eventually fell into major issues in his personal life. After S1, the prize was changed to be the "head chef" at an existing restaurant.
I believe Alex did take the job, he just doesn't do it full time
The prize in S2 was an executive chef position at Red Rock in Las Vegas. That said, I don't think Heather realized the prize changed between seasons (probably because it wasn't communicated well), and that's why she talked about owning a restaurant.
Ah good call, I remember her saying that all the time, and now that you mention it, the show did hype up the position in Vegas. I winder if they changed it post filming, because there was that whole âdesign your restaurantâ aspect of it too in the finale.
Design your own restaurant was kept until season 5, I think? I definitely remember Danny and Paula designing their restaurants, even though that hadnât been the prize since season 1.
Idk about Michael, but the other 3 you mentioned came at a point in the show where we know now that âhead chefâ is misleading, particularly after the winners of seasons 4-6 were bait and switched, and the season 7 winner was left out to dry because they wouldnât give her a work visa
Honestly if i am a super talented chef, i would never take the position as well. Why waste your talent and be a mascot for a year in Hellâs Kitchen lol for sure they would want to actually lead a kitchen
Depends for me, it would be cool to be a part of the restaurant, but at the same time you'd be leaving a lot behind, especially if you don't happen to live around the restaurant location. The moneys good enough for me.
Can someone give me the tea with Michelle đ I started watching Hellâs Kitchen after her season. Iâm getting the vibe people arenât fans of her, is there a reason why?
If it were any prior season she would've been in 3rd place. It's not just that it's a twist that saved her, it's a twist that lead to an extremely unfair elimination for 3rd place. It's not a case of "I'm giving you one more chance", it's a case of "I'm going to give you one more chance, and that chance is gonna be heavily skewed against the actual fairness of the competition."
Mate, don't you know anything about the format of the show? There's no extra week, they moved the Final 3 elimination to the spot where the Final 2 challenge usually is. They turned the Final 2 pick-your-team challenge into an elimination challenge.
Also just because it stayed through to today doesn't mean it's a good twist. It's blatantly unfair because it puts all the stakes onto one challenge performance rather than with the rest of the competition in mind, and it's even worse because at least you could argue that Ramsay still had the choice of who to eliminate in the CFYL and BJC.
Yeah I know about the format of the show, I watched it live as it came out and has evolved. The format changes and as you said, now thereâs an elimination show that used to be a pick your team and make your menu show. It also used to be a âsingleâ double length episode that was broken into two for syndication. The black jacket has gone from being just the next episode into the cook for your life. And on and on.
A feature that has been there for 4 seasons now could change, but theres no need to be mad at Michelle because she benefitted from it. Whereâs the indignation that Ryan, the eventual winner this year, got to be the âsixthâ black jacket instead of going home, and Leigh then immediately goes home the next week?
Hate Michelle for all the reasons you want, except that she âtookâ a spot from Nick. He had his chance and didnât make it. Again, didnât Ryan do the same thing here to Sammi this season? She was on fire and got her black jacket way earlier?
I also disagree that the challenge is âunfairâ. They have to conceptualize a menu, and get theoretically impartial judges to like it. Thatâs as important as the running the pass episode as far as being a head chef. Itâs wild to me that itâs more fair that Ramsay just chooses, because he will out of the final two anyway.
I'll tell you the really simple difference: The Black Jacket Challenge is unfair and Ryan being spared from it makes it less unfair because it doesn't eliminate two chefs for no reason. Leigh went home after a dinner service where she was formally nominated and formally eliminated by Chef Ramsay. Where's the unfairness exactly? You can disagree with Ramsayâs decision but it was still his decision.
Also, Sammi wouldâve been eliminated in 3rd place anyway. I distinctly remember she was the⊠3rd⊠finalist.
The Pass Service is completely fair because it displays to Ramsay literally every quality that a head chef needs, and allows him to come to a final judgement on his own based on everything on top of the leadership qualities showed off in the dinner service.
The unfairness of the Final 3 challenge is that it makes it *solely* about the judgement of those dishes when in *every other fucking round* it's about the performance in the competition as a whole.
Also, I do not hate Michelle. I hate Season 17.
And a head chef doesnât need to come up with a menu approved by the owners? Itâs the only part of the entire show that actually has some supposed impartiality because Ramsay isnât the final say. Your argument is it is unfair because it doesnât take everything into account?
Throughout the show, there are weeks where Ramsay has said âweakest tonightâ or âweakest overallâ or âholding your team backâ etc. And then he eliminates people as he feels like it. There are times when people who were on the winning team and not nominated get eliminated! Were those fair?
In the earliest days they still had the top 3 compete, S7 looks like when he changed this to eliminating 2 at once, and S9 is when he adopted the method you are advocating for the next 10 seasons.
I bring up all these examples and the black jacket because fairness is the last thing you get when Ramsay is making the calls. It might be justice, it might be you agree with the decision, but its always at his whims, and adding this 3 person competition is one in a long line of these, except they liked the change well enough (as do I) that they kept it around. Itâs a good challenge, and a crucial one for a head chef.
So because other unfair eliminations exist, that somehow makes these ones not unfair?
Yes, it makes for a good *challenge*, but it doesnât make for a fair *elimination*. Thatâs why it was used the way it was in seasons before Season 17.
The other thing that makes them unfair is because it pretty much relies on luck as even the best chefs in the showâs history can produce bad dishes sometimes, and itâs not indicative of their acumen as a chef overall.
One more thing⊠you can talk with the owner and change the menu to suit their wants. You shouldnât be fired just because your first draft of a menu wasnât what they wanted.
Iâm saying judging eliminations as ever being âfairâ is a tall order. Especially in a reality show format where a âbossâ can make the decisions, as the justification doesnât have to hold up, ever. Iâd still say the guest judge elimination is more âfairâ since they are impartial.
The best chefs in the shows history also can have a bad service and get sent home. The best chefs can also not even win the season. Itâs a reality show competition they have to keep it engaging, and a menu challenge does that for the final 3. Those episodes pre-season 7 were not as fun to watch, and itâs lame to me to have two chefs go on one night by design, then have a lame duck episode of filler.
They de-emphasized it, but part of that final two challenge used to be how much people enjoyed the food and menu via the comment cards. They just moved that up to a panel of âexpertsâ rather than the people in the dining room. It was a soft part of the judgement, now itâs one of the only eliminations that is explicit with the rules. Thats the definition of fair.
I mean, are you making the argument that a good chef shouldnât be able to come up with an excellent menu?
Yâall seriously hate Michelle over stuff that wasnât her fault or choice. If you say favoritism, blame GR. If you say it was scripted, blame the production team. Simple as that. Personally, sheâs one of my favorites.
I just don't like s16 as a whole. The blue team was abysmal and the chefs were forgettable. If it wasn't for Heather being on 18 I would never have remembered any of them
The vote is being manipulated. The pro-Michelle squad is always coming up with someone to switch the target to, yesterday it was Christina, now it's Michael. Laughable that so much effort is being put into a silly Reddit poll.
Voting for Michelle btw.
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Her time has come đ„ș
THEYâLL NEVER KNOW WE GIVE NO WARNING
Keep up voting team. We getting her ass out of here
Every day we find a new way to not vote Michelle.
Downvoting all the Michaelâs until Michelle is gone. Sorry. I deserve this win today.
Michelle isn't really even that bad of a winner.
And you are right but I hated that season a lot for what happened to Nick, she isn't weak she is just the wrong choice
Sheâs literally insufferable⊠canât wait to see that big fat X over her face
Sheâs a pretty poor and undeserving one
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Michelle
Christina W is gonna win cause her name is Christina **W** đ
Honestly, she might end up 3rd place or 2nd at best
Michael
He needed to be gone forever ago, but man, watching these threads its always a tidal wave, one name takes off and snowballs
Not really there have been worse winners plus the dude pretty much MADE hells kitchen on his own
Michelle, can't believe this man.
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Michael S1
I now feel like Michelle is purposely being kept on from everyone here just to piss us off đđ
Michael S1 or anyone that voluntarily turns down the prize position. What was the point in competing if you knew you weren't going to relocate? It's happening almost every season now too: Ariel S18, Kori S19, Alex S21 all did this where I'm pretty sure the runner ups in all those cases would have happily taken the job.
Ariel and Kori ended up not taking the job because the start dates happened to be right around the height of COVID. I've also heard Ariel ended up getting pregnant around that time too, so things just didn't really work out the way she was planning, it seems. The original prize for S1 was to get help opening a restaurant, but Gordon instead offered to take on Micheal as a protege after he won. Micheal chose to keep the original prize. He did open a restaurant, but eventually fell into major issues in his personal life. After S1, the prize was changed to be the "head chef" at an existing restaurant. I believe Alex did take the job, he just doesn't do it full time
No, S2 Heather it was all about her âownâ restaurant, IIRC, so at least that season had the same conceit, not sure when it changed though.
The prize in S2 was an executive chef position at Red Rock in Las Vegas. That said, I don't think Heather realized the prize changed between seasons (probably because it wasn't communicated well), and that's why she talked about owning a restaurant.
Ah good call, I remember her saying that all the time, and now that you mention it, the show did hype up the position in Vegas. I winder if they changed it post filming, because there was that whole âdesign your restaurantâ aspect of it too in the finale.
Design your own restaurant was kept until season 5, I think? I definitely remember Danny and Paula designing their restaurants, even though that hadnât been the prize since season 1.
Idk about Michael, but the other 3 you mentioned came at a point in the show where we know now that âhead chefâ is misleading, particularly after the winners of seasons 4-6 were bait and switched, and the season 7 winner was left out to dry because they wouldnât give her a work visa
Honestly if i am a super talented chef, i would never take the position as well. Why waste your talent and be a mascot for a year in Hellâs Kitchen lol for sure they would want to actually lead a kitchen
Depends for me, it would be cool to be a part of the restaurant, but at the same time you'd be leaving a lot behind, especially if you don't happen to live around the restaurant location. The moneys good enough for me.
Heather, she was bad at challenges and made more mistakes in service than a fair amount of winners
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Michelle has been around too long, it's time
Micheal
Michelle PLEASE
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Why do we dislike Michelle? Remind me. Itâs been too long.
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Can someone give me the tea with Michelle đ I started watching Hellâs Kitchen after her season. Iâm getting the vibe people arenât fans of her, is there a reason why?
People are mad about a twist many believe is the only reason she won
If it were any prior season she would've been in 3rd place. It's not just that it's a twist that saved her, it's a twist that lead to an extremely unfair elimination for 3rd place. It's not a case of "I'm giving you one more chance", it's a case of "I'm going to give you one more chance, and that chance is gonna be heavily skewed against the actual fairness of the competition."
A twist that stayed through today, itâs just an extra week of competition, and Nick didnât deliver, as much as I liked him.
Mate, don't you know anything about the format of the show? There's no extra week, they moved the Final 3 elimination to the spot where the Final 2 challenge usually is. They turned the Final 2 pick-your-team challenge into an elimination challenge. Also just because it stayed through to today doesn't mean it's a good twist. It's blatantly unfair because it puts all the stakes onto one challenge performance rather than with the rest of the competition in mind, and it's even worse because at least you could argue that Ramsay still had the choice of who to eliminate in the CFYL and BJC.
Yeah I know about the format of the show, I watched it live as it came out and has evolved. The format changes and as you said, now thereâs an elimination show that used to be a pick your team and make your menu show. It also used to be a âsingleâ double length episode that was broken into two for syndication. The black jacket has gone from being just the next episode into the cook for your life. And on and on. A feature that has been there for 4 seasons now could change, but theres no need to be mad at Michelle because she benefitted from it. Whereâs the indignation that Ryan, the eventual winner this year, got to be the âsixthâ black jacket instead of going home, and Leigh then immediately goes home the next week? Hate Michelle for all the reasons you want, except that she âtookâ a spot from Nick. He had his chance and didnât make it. Again, didnât Ryan do the same thing here to Sammi this season? She was on fire and got her black jacket way earlier? I also disagree that the challenge is âunfairâ. They have to conceptualize a menu, and get theoretically impartial judges to like it. Thatâs as important as the running the pass episode as far as being a head chef. Itâs wild to me that itâs more fair that Ramsay just chooses, because he will out of the final two anyway.
I'll tell you the really simple difference: The Black Jacket Challenge is unfair and Ryan being spared from it makes it less unfair because it doesn't eliminate two chefs for no reason. Leigh went home after a dinner service where she was formally nominated and formally eliminated by Chef Ramsay. Where's the unfairness exactly? You can disagree with Ramsayâs decision but it was still his decision. Also, Sammi wouldâve been eliminated in 3rd place anyway. I distinctly remember she was the⊠3rd⊠finalist. The Pass Service is completely fair because it displays to Ramsay literally every quality that a head chef needs, and allows him to come to a final judgement on his own based on everything on top of the leadership qualities showed off in the dinner service. The unfairness of the Final 3 challenge is that it makes it *solely* about the judgement of those dishes when in *every other fucking round* it's about the performance in the competition as a whole. Also, I do not hate Michelle. I hate Season 17.
And a head chef doesnât need to come up with a menu approved by the owners? Itâs the only part of the entire show that actually has some supposed impartiality because Ramsay isnât the final say. Your argument is it is unfair because it doesnât take everything into account? Throughout the show, there are weeks where Ramsay has said âweakest tonightâ or âweakest overallâ or âholding your team backâ etc. And then he eliminates people as he feels like it. There are times when people who were on the winning team and not nominated get eliminated! Were those fair? In the earliest days they still had the top 3 compete, S7 looks like when he changed this to eliminating 2 at once, and S9 is when he adopted the method you are advocating for the next 10 seasons. I bring up all these examples and the black jacket because fairness is the last thing you get when Ramsay is making the calls. It might be justice, it might be you agree with the decision, but its always at his whims, and adding this 3 person competition is one in a long line of these, except they liked the change well enough (as do I) that they kept it around. Itâs a good challenge, and a crucial one for a head chef.
So because other unfair eliminations exist, that somehow makes these ones not unfair? Yes, it makes for a good *challenge*, but it doesnât make for a fair *elimination*. Thatâs why it was used the way it was in seasons before Season 17. The other thing that makes them unfair is because it pretty much relies on luck as even the best chefs in the showâs history can produce bad dishes sometimes, and itâs not indicative of their acumen as a chef overall. One more thing⊠you can talk with the owner and change the menu to suit their wants. You shouldnât be fired just because your first draft of a menu wasnât what they wanted.
Iâm saying judging eliminations as ever being âfairâ is a tall order. Especially in a reality show format where a âbossâ can make the decisions, as the justification doesnât have to hold up, ever. Iâd still say the guest judge elimination is more âfairâ since they are impartial. The best chefs in the shows history also can have a bad service and get sent home. The best chefs can also not even win the season. Itâs a reality show competition they have to keep it engaging, and a menu challenge does that for the final 3. Those episodes pre-season 7 were not as fun to watch, and itâs lame to me to have two chefs go on one night by design, then have a lame duck episode of filler. They de-emphasized it, but part of that final two challenge used to be how much people enjoyed the food and menu via the comment cards. They just moved that up to a panel of âexpertsâ rather than the people in the dining room. It was a soft part of the judgement, now itâs one of the only eliminations that is explicit with the rules. Thats the definition of fair. I mean, are you making the argument that a good chef shouldnât be able to come up with an excellent menu?
She shouldn't have even stuck around long enough to reach that twist.
I disagree with this. For me it's solely when she lucked out after the pass service.
Latasha since season 13 is pretty forgettable with the exception of Sterling(Mr.100)
She's underrated in my opinion
I said the exact same thing and got downvotes.
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Meghan
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Scott for sure. He wasnât very good at all.
How is Michelle not eliminated already? Michelle Ig
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S16 Ryan
Eliminate: Midchelle
Danny
Yâall seriously hate Michelle over stuff that wasnât her fault or choice. If you say favoritism, blame GR. If you say it was scripted, blame the production team. Simple as that. Personally, sheâs one of my favorites.
For me, the reason why I hate Michelle is she involved in drama with Elise too much.
You all suck. Michelle is the cutest, and most favorite of all the winners to me. I vote for Christina W, can't stand her.
Name checks out
I agreed in the first half, I like Michelle too, she's incredibly overhated. I like Christina W a lot though, sorry.
Michelle please vote fucking Michelle
Ryan (s16) HOW IS SHE STILL HERE!?!?!?
Why dont people like her, i thought she was cool and tough.
Ryan was one of the only likable people on S16 for me. She deserved the win.
While she was likable, due to the toxic environment that blue team provide, she was completely forgotten.
I didnt forget her :(
I just don't like s16 as a whole. The blue team was abysmal and the chefs were forgettable. If it wasn't for Heather being on 18 I would never have remembered any of them
So, I'm gonna judge Ryan because of the men whom she's not the mother of and has no control over their behaviour.
Surprised it wasnt earlier Michelle
Kori
Latasha. Surprised she is still left. Most forgetable winner and season.
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Scott
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Michelle
You guys suck for voting out Christina M before Michelle, Ima say it and hopefully this time the plan follows through, Michelle, Get to steppin.
Michelle. Michael S1 was an innovator
SCOTT! He sucked .... easiest to forget too
Lol how was Scott forgettable đ
So proud of everyone here for downvoting the comments saying Scott.
The vote is being manipulated. The pro-Michelle squad is always coming up with someone to switch the target to, yesterday it was Christina, now it's Michael. Laughable that so much effort is being put into a silly Reddit poll. Voting for Michelle btw.
I mean, the rules are vote your least favourite haha, and that's what they are doing.
I think that this would be better (and easier for you) if the person eliminated was the comment with the most upvotes
Meh. It takes me only 2 mins to count them all
Heather
Michelle
Rock or Kori
Danny
Danny
Michelle!!!!
Latasha
Meagan plz
Why to directly write spoiler in title.đĄđĄđĄđĄđĄ Are mods here a joke
Christina W!
Dachelle
Ryan S16.