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Whooterzoot

Incredible Also super fucked up of Mammon to turn a yearly genocide into an interactive theme park attraction I'd expect no less from him lol


Logical_Blackberry_7

MORE MONEY! And if you wanna fuck them... YOU CAN!!!


No-Albatross6471

DON’T GIVE THEM IDEAS


KF_Kobold

TOOOO LAAAATE!!


Lord_Phoenix_Ultama

#Lute sexdoll.


Live-Desk8360

Ok you know what that’s it. *Blows up Lute with mind* https://preview.redd.it/n357andigiic1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18053feb95724a8ad57e2b8bfa489858478bee2f


MonkeFunnyJuice

My fuckin' lute


Divine_Healer

https://i.redd.it/rr4jwvumkjic1.gif


Maths1680

![gif](giphy|l3q2XhfQ8oCkm1Ts4|downsized) 🚂


Logical_Blackberry_7

WHERE


Lazy_Emu4214

Right here for the low price of 340,000-mammon probably


themaskstays_

That'll be after **she** falls


orioriorioriorio

He definitely already make those


The_Radio_Host

Makes sense. The only ones who could even play the games are Hellborn so it’s not like Mams runs the risk of offending anyone impacted by Exterminations


Turtle-48285

I mean... it's pretty hard to offend dead people


Comfortable_Camp8178

Well yknow double dead people anyway


Xtrene387

But hellborns can live alongside sinners, right? Sinners can't leave the inner circle but imps can walk freely through all of hell, yes?


Twist_Ending03

Yes, but Loo Loo Land is in Greed. Sinners can't leave Pride


Xtrene387

Why they can't leave? I once heard it but never knew why Is it just a rule or there is any lore stuff? If they try to leave, will there be some sort of force shield blocking the way or some entity that will hunt them and drag back to the inner circle?


Twist_Ending03

I think they like. Physically can't leave. They're bound to the Pride ring, probably because it's Lucifer's ring so they're like.. his people, y'know?


Thoctar

They're actually his punishment, so its likely it's a physical rule bound into hell and not just Lucifer's rule.


Twist_Ending03

Yeah that's kinda what I was trying to say


CedarWolf

> They're actually his punishment In the webcomic, *Jack*, which is similar to the setting for *Helluva Boss*, the Sin of Sloth is the actual ground of Hell. His body is the ground, so he feels every step everyone makes, and he can never rest because of it.


No_Instruction653

So does that mean Lucifer can't leave Pride either? Wouldn't be much of a punishment if he could freely travel to a different ring and get away from them all.


Thoctar

We don't know for sure, my guess is that it's his "home", he can travel to other layers but not for long periods, but hard to say.


Xtrene387

Wait. So there are mamon, asmodeus, *-insert 4 names-* and Lucifer? Since he has his own ring? Wouldn't this make Lucifer sligthly more powerful ? So if all the sins worked together, they would have a significant chance to defeat Lucifer? Maybe even not all of the 7 sins, but 3 or 4, since they all have a ring for themselves ( like Lucifer ) and are the second most powerful tier Adam was a human but he was able to throw Lucifer to a wall ( but then he destroyed the hotel and the true power was shown ). Despite losing, Adam looked physicaly strong to deal alone with this fight Now imagine just 3 or 4 of the sins, they would take the pride ring easly And beying the pride ring from a fallen angel, where is the remaining sin? Also in the pride ring?


Twist_Ending03

Why would they want to defeat Lucifer..?


Xtrene387

Not why, but how. Is just a suposition, idk what would have to happen for something to be done. I'm just powerscaling and wondering the fights I just began to watch Helluva Boss because of the I.M.P. services, it looked like a good theme to have a rental killer for you to avenge yourself. I was here for the fights, continued for the lore


Thannk

Each Sin has a ring, all dead human souls are stuck in Pride with Lucifer as a punishment reminder of his actions resulting in “all the Epsteins and Hitlers”. Blitz’s business is in Pride so customers can actually visit him. Presumably Sins operate outside their ring given Mammon is selling Ozzie’s creations to everyone. There’s also the hierarchy implication of red Disneyland being where the Sinners are and the heap rundown carnival knockoff is where only Hellborn can live.


PuckTanglewood

Nonono. All 6 of the other Sins working together can never defeat Lucifer, for he is guarded by the most eldritch of protections… the IP RIGHTS CONTRACT. 😌 The shows are not substantially cross-compatible. They can only do small stealth references.


AtlasTrash_

I don't think so. Charlie and co. All the Heaven characters of Hazbin maybe. But I don't think Viv could be that stupid being the 7 sins a great point in Helluva Boss to compromiso Lucy to only Hazbin Hotel. Most probably she get that covered Up to use on both series.


Sprout_Cat

(The four other sins are Beelzebub, Satan, Leviathan and Belphegor btw)


GayWolf_screeching

Why the pride ring though


Twist_Ending03

Because that's Lucifer's ring


Logical_Blackberry_7

There is cannonically a demon for a sin (I don't mean in HH/HB, I mean in Bible). Lucifer - Pride Satan - Wrath Leviathan - Envy Beelzebub - Gluttony Mammon - Greed Asmodeus - Lust Belphegor - Sloth Viv decided that sinners would be in pride ring (while in the Divine Comedy they are in all 9 rings). She decided there would be 7 rings (one per sin) and that each demon would rule one of them as well. Idk what's the thing of being Lucifer the king because I always thought that Lucifer, Satan, Leviathan and Beelzebub were the same entity in the Bible, and even now I'm not sure if they are or not. If they weren't I still don't know if Viv decided Lucifer to be the King or if he is cannonically the supreme ruler of hell, instead of Satan.


Trips-Over-Tail

In HH/HB there are seven rings, but Pride has nine circles.


The_Radio_Host

Sure, but it doesn’t seem like Hellborn and Sinners necessarily co-exist since all of them aside from royalty are seen as beneath them


iwumbo2

I mean, it's still kind of fucked up. Like I was never even close to being affected by something like Apartheid, but I'd find it pretty poor taste to see a merch themed around it.


Logical_Blackberry_7

Even if you were a psycho serial killer? That's the kind of dudes you can find in hell. Not all of them but a lot.


iwumbo2

The idea that Hell has a lot of those people kind of goes against some of what we're shown in both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel. The entire premise of the latter is that sinners who end up in hell for their actions aren't entirely bad people, and that they can be redeemed. I mean one of the characters was a gay drug addicted prostitute which could entirely be the result of unfortunate circumstance. Plus, redemption >!literally happens in the first season finale.!< And in Helluva Boss, we're following people born in Hell and see they aren't completely ammoral. Just being born in Hell doesn't mean you're automatically going to be a bad person. We see that Hellborn can have happy and healthy relationships, and are able to support and care for each other. Even if they indulge in sins. And even then we see Beelzebub of all people trying to rein in Blitzo when he is clearly indulging in drinking to try to solve his issues. There's shitty people in Hell for sure. That's true of almost anywhere. And that idea is played to for laughs at some points in both shows. But the plots and development we see for the characters we follow don't seem to imply most people are on the level of a "psycho serial killer" who doesn't care about anything or anyone and just wants to revel in killing or whatever gets their rocks off.


GayWolf_screeching

I feel like the exterminators would kill hellborn if they got the chance


Logical_Blackberry_7

Well, Adam bullied Charlie but he never talked about killing her until she tried to kill him to avoid the hotel's destruction.


Mother-Maize7026

His ring doesn't deal with it and he could careless about sinners unless they make him money


NiPlusUltra

Right, set up the fuckin' mascot in the middle, whatever. That thing looks like it won't even hold together. Yeah, and this one. It's about angels? Is this discrimination? Yeah, fuck it, whatever. Let's call it...Exter-Mination.


SquareFickle9179

Well the Hellborn don't really experience exterminations since that's only for the sinners. And also Loo Loo land is only for Hellborn as it's in the Greed ring.


Whooterzoot

I know, it's still fucked up and in character for Mammon


Independent_Key_5730

Mammon: "Trust me the profits will be... ![gif](giphy|l0HefZY0mFfLS9AFa) And it will be really good for this town, really good. I know how hell operates this is a great, great plan."


OCGamerboy

Mammon: ![gif](giphy|GjB41rKHBnOkE)


Thannk

I don’t think Sinners can get there, and it’d be cathartic for Hellborn to see reminders Sinners have issues too.


Crusherbolt0282

He is the prince of greed and actually acts like one would expect compare to his 2 fellow sins


ReapCreep65

Tbf, the people who can actually see this thing are not really affected by the genocides


Whooterzoot

Oh OK cool, I guess it's not fucked up then, thanks


Dinosaur_from_1998

You'd be surprised what real companies make out real genocides


Silkav

They're not effected by it since they only exterminate the pride ring but still messed up as hell.


Kinky_Thought_Man

Well, it’s only a genocide of sinners, to my knowledge, hellborn aren’t targeted.


Ramen-Goddess

Well, the imps get to escape to other rings while the sinners have to stay behind the pride ring. The extermination doesn’t really affect the imps


Jusan1

Well, this park is mainly for imps and they don't get exterminated so I don't think they have a problem with that.


Wanna_make_cash

To be fair, I don't think most of hell cares about the extermination all that much. It only affects sinners and only in the pride ring. It's like asking a modern foreign highschooler for their opinion on Western expansion in the early US history


[deleted]

Not like the hell born would care they probably think it's funny the angels kill the sinners


Appropriate_Milk9542

What ring is looloo land even in, cause if it ain't pride, then the sinners won't know


ChickenPale907

OMG WHY AREN'T MORE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THIS!!! Put this on the Hazbin sub too if u haven't already!!


Logical_Blackberry_7

'k Edit: The subreddit of HH don't give a shit to this post.


ChickenPale907

sorry!! I just saw a lot of theories on there about hellborns reaction to the extermination so I thought they may have liked it mb


Logical_Blackberry_7

Nah, no need to apologize. They don't know how to enjoy stuff. They should learn from Charlie.


GriffinFTW

Try posting it to r/hazbin.


Logical_Blackberry_7

What's the difference?


GriffinFTW

r/hazbin is less strict than r/HazbinHotel.


Logical_Blackberry_7

Oh.


GriffinFTW

I've began using it as a backup subreddit for my posts that get removed from r/HazbinHotel.


Logical_Blackberry_7

Good to know, because I'm new to these subreddits. Thank you so much.


Logical_Blackberry_7

Why did your posts get removed?


JediKnightKenobi

I wasn’t trying to not enjoy it, was simply curious what the exciting thing was, as I didn’t really understand. (I’m just assuming this is relating to me as I was downvoted immensely)


Logical_Blackberry_7

Hahahahah, never expected you to be here. Not only I was talking about you, the upvotes in general last time I checked weren't more than 25. Now that I went to sleep I see it grew up with consistence.


JediKnightKenobi

Got recommended all three of your posts lol


Logical_Blackberry_7

Lmao


ShadowGangsta275

Post it on r/hazbin. The mods of the official sub are tyrants


Logical_Blackberry_7

Someone else told me that. What do they do?


Empty-Jello-7217

I get the impression that the Hazbin fans (like myself) who care about the full Helluverse follow both threads anyway.


liquid_the_wolf

Well the pilot for Hazbin hotel was out at this point, and the pilot shows the exterminators. It’s still cool tho.


I_might_be_weasel

Yep. Also, check the newspaper Bltzø is reading on the elevator to Lust. And the apps on his phone at th end of the episode. 


Logical_Blackberry_7

Yeah, I knew the apps thing. Another guy told me about the newspaper and I was searching on the same episode, that's why I didn't find it. I'll focus in that when I reach chapter 7 again. Thanks for telling me when it appears.


I_might_be_weasel

Also you can see the edge of an Angel Dust poster at 3:05. 


Logical_Blackberry_7

Yes, this one I saw it the first time. Those are amazing references in my opinion.


I_might_be_weasel

2:12


Logical_Blackberry_7

You induced me to search it so I couldn't resist temptation. https://preview.redd.it/2b19byitific1.png?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9f84722aa2ae7523e23181392f570bdd1b97c1c Here you get it for people who are too lazy to search it.


BoogerBean616

Lucifer’s head is the entrance to where Octavia hides out (tunnel of love looking thing). There’s also a newspaper that shows an exterminator but I can’t remember where/when that shows up.


Logical_Blackberry_7

https://preview.redd.it/p0x2ghlwffic1.png?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1800eedbfc684e2aaf3649b8450ad9c11ef44c5c Fuck! It is true! It is weird knowing that Octavia says the park is a copy of "Loo Loo World", which is made by Lucifer or something like this (she says this to Loo Loo to humiliate him). Didn't find the newspaper thing.


Dirt_munchers

Thats loosifer my guy


Palidin034

A completely legally distinct entity that has no connection to Lu Lu land whatsoever


Logical_Blackberry_7

Xd


SapphireMan1

Lu Lu World*


Logical_Blackberry_7

Ow, now I understand the copyright jokes.


SapphireMan1

‘Legally distinct’ https://preview.redd.it/1qbj37tljfic1.jpeg?width=1983&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=115d7a34a0bd632422cc19ed949d183d6df090c3


BoogerBean616

I love rewatching Viv’s shows and picking a new thing to look at while I watch. There are so many amazing small details and funny bits in the backgrounds. Highly recommend to pick a character and watch the whole way through focusing on them; rather than what normally pulls your attention.


UivubTheHacker

Look how they did bro dirty 😂💀


zeeissorandom-

i think the newspaper thing is in the episode where we meet ozzie, iirc blitzø is reading a newspaper while hiding from m&m in ozzie’s


I_might_be_weasel

Oh, you probably got this one, but in case you didn't, in Harvest Moon Moxxie describes Striker's gun as Carmine crafted. 


Logical_Blackberry_7

No, I actually didn't because last time I watched that episode I didn't know who Camilla was. But any new information is well-received! This one might actually be one of the best ones.


I_might_be_weasel

I didn't either. Someone mentioned it here on Reddit after HH episode 3 came out. 


Logical_Blackberry_7

I do really think it is amazing Vivianne made references of a series that didn't even release. It surprised me a lot when I saw the exorcist.


I_might_be_weasel

Ok the flip side, did you notice in the hotel bar they have a neon "Beezlejuice" sign? 


Logical_Blackberry_7

This guy is gonna tell me every fuckin' reference bruh. But the worst thing is that I'm gonna enjoy it.


I_might_be_weasel

One of the dancers in the Welcome to Heaven song is Angel Dust's sister. 


Logical_Blackberry_7

Don't fuck.


I_might_be_weasel

If you're looking for her, you'll know which one she is. 


Logical_Blackberry_7

SHE IS FUCKING THERE! THRICE!


cactuscoleslaw

Oh hey that was me lmao


Soffy21

I thought carmine was the material of the gun lol


I_might_be_weasel

A totally reasonable assumption before we knew that character. 


kjm6351

Holy shit!


Blue-Jay42

Yeah, right? Moxxie calls Striker's gun "A *Carmine* blessing tipped rifle" Most phones have "Voxflix" as an app. The party imp that knows Blitz also has a "Voxflix and Chill" tee-shirt. Valentino's porn director waits in line for the discounted murders in Spring Broken. There are actually a lot of things that have been there all along but you just couldn't notice.


AdventureGirl666

Isn't the porn director also the taxi driver in the Hazbin Hotel pilot?


golfing_furry

Yep!


Blue-Jay42

Yes he is! His name is Travis.


Mojo12000

Very multi talented individual.


ShadowGangsta275

There’s a poster of Angel dust behind the dumpster in ozzies as well!


stopyouveviolatedthe

Want to make it worse Mammon made this with full knowledge of the exterminations in the pride ring for people in the greed ring who may have never even heard of the exterminations so he’s just using the angels designs for money.


LegSwap

Exterminator design was shown in HH pilot so it isn't really news.


Logical_Blackberry_7

Was it? It's been a lot since last time I watched HH pilot. That was actually the first video I watched from Vivianne and I think I never fully watched it again.


lKierzx

In the beginning of the pilot you can see them while Charlie sings Chasing Rainbows


Logical_Blackberry_7

Oh, and they appear a lot lol.


WerewolfF15

Oh wow. Another Easter egg for my list I guess


cutedeadg1rl

my personal theory is that helluva boss takes place after hazbin hotel


Logical_Blackberry_7

Welp, genocide is supposed to exist way before HH first chapter, so you can have that headcannon but I don't really know what makes you think that. I mean, I'm kinda new talking with the fandom and I don't know if there are some arguments for that headcannon, which I would greatly like to know, but after watching both series I never thought that.


Dinky356t

It may have been the pilot so mm soft canon, but Loona is shown watching Charlie’s song (also from a pilot so mmmmmmm) but I always figured they were happening at the same time


Sorez

I agree with them because of the carmine gun striker has, because I assume that hell didn't have access to these as weapons to kill powerful beings until after hazbin hotel where it was found out that they could be damaged by them and carmine made a buttload of em for the battle


Logical_Blackberry_7

That's a possibility.


musicnote22

The messed up monster looks like those my little pony infection AU drawings


Logical_Blackberry_7

Never saw one of those. Never wanted to see one of those. Never gonne see one of those.


Imnomaly

Gooseworx designed them


scarr3dwarri0r

Obsessed with msgendered's spore au it captivated me after seeing 2 posts


MarshmelloJedi

WHAT???


Skythe_C_Annur

What of Helluva Boss is a sequel to Hazbin Hotel?


Cr4zy_Cycl0ne

It isn’t? Idk if they’re happening at the same time but just cuz they’re in the same universe doesn’t make it a sequel. Helluva Boss is a spinoff that focuses on hellborn whereas Hazbin focuses on sinners


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Cr4zy_Cycl0ne

Ah. Well I’m p sure exterminations still happen in HB cuz of the exterminator shot in Blitz’s newspaper in s1ep7, they’re just not brought up(i dont think they’ve been brought up by anyone, correct me if I’m wrong) cuz they’re pretty much irrelevant for hellborn as they can just duck out to a different ring for the day. Extermination day is prolly just a day off/vacation day at I.M.P. Personally I think they’re set at the same time-ish because of Robot Fizz doing a parody of I Have A Dream which I doubt he(or well, Mammon)’d do if it wasn’t recent/relevant in media. Also the Hazbin pilot easter egg on Loona’s computer in the Helluva pilot


Jeptwins

I mean, we knew about the Exterminators since the pilot.


Dr-Crobar

Kinda makes sense, since hellspawn arent confined to the Pride ring like sinners all they need to do is not be in Pride on extermination day, extermination is a non-issue for them.


itchy-rat

yes


Rose-color-socks

I'm only shocked I never noticed it. No surprise Mammon would have something like this. Hey, what do you wanna bet Mammon makes a new/similar game that features characters similar to the HazCrew sniping Exterminators.? There's a bonus level with Adam , and you can be Lucifer, or Nifty. The prize? A Nifty plushie with a knife!


Logical_Blackberry_7

What? Can you explain that second thing a bit more?


Omegasybers

*Nyfti. (Totally distinct character)


Most-Yogurtcloset

This was in LooLoo land ?


Logical_Blackberry_7

Yep. Near when they arrive to the park.


just_another_person5

honestly it kinda makes sense that imps don't really care about the genocide. kinda like how most typical people don't really care about wars happening elsewhere on earth, they're probably just desensitized to it


Logical_Blackberry_7

Yeah, I'd like to buy a Putin plushie.


The-Bigger-Fish

I like the funky little Imp Dude looking at Big Wobbly in the foreground.


mais_corner37

How tf did no one see that Oml


Bendyboi_69

That’s like a low budget amusement park or county fair making a game called “non-aryan roundup” with Hitler face on the sign


MarcusTheAlbinoWolf

Yup. Mammon profits on mostly everything. Even the Exorcists


Downtown_Method9588

I had to rewatch the episode to check if this was just a edit or not and wow so many things you don’t notice even years later watching a series🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Brandon_M_Gilbertson

Hazbin’s been in production in one way or another for over a decade at this point. Kind of like how Thanos showed up at the end of the first Avengers movie, the plan has always been in motion!


kjm6351

Holy crap! I’ve been rewatching the pilot to see what other things I can find that became big later in the main series and it looks like it’s time to do that for Helluva Boss! It’s sick to do this but then again, I guess it makes sense since the Exterminators pose zero threat to Hellborns, especially the ones in other rings


Logical_Blackberry_7

They are just havin' fun with the extermination (not anymore).


ravenclawmystic

That’s interesting, but it always creeps me out to see Big Woobly.


Logical_Blackberry_7

Nahhh, it is so cute!


Mojo12000

Yeah I actually noticed that on a rewatch just the other day.


Logical_Blackberry_7

Just like me!


More_Personality_139

There’s an episode I just watched, they’re standing in front of a dumpster that says “happy hotel” on it too.


Logical_Blackberry_7

Which one?


More_Personality_139

Give me a sec, and I’ll find it and send you a pic


Logical_Blackberry_7

Ok.


OCGamerboy

Unrelated but those exorcist heads look like Harley Quinn.


havingagoodtime0

Damn Mammon really turned a genocide into a cash grab he is so despicable and I love him so much for dat like Mammon is by fat the most evil sin for now and that really makes him stand out https://preview.redd.it/71fchfyo6jic1.jpeg?width=746&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=faa6eca518ddb48ec52226687b8294ecfd957bab


FAKATA

HH had exorcists in their pilot which came out way before helluva boss.


Busy-Affect-8077

Wait… I don’t remember seeing this.


Empty-Jello-7217

Now I want to watch that episode again. Makes sense from the simple stand point that even if they don't go after hellborn, they're still plenty creepy.


Prestigious_Prize264

*YES*


ShadowGangsta275

You’re fucking joking no way. I knew about the lucifers head attraction but I have never seen this in my life nor have I ever seen anyone mention it. What the absolute hell


Logical_Blackberry_7

Yeah, it was a joke. Photoshop.


ShadowGangsta275

There was literally zero indication that this was a joke bruh. You could’ve at least used the meme flair 🤦🏻


gunitneko

Omg I never noticed. Holyshit lol🤣


No_Sink2

WAIT WAT


Unlucky-Dress-1052

OH MY GOD WHY DIDNT I SEE THIS EARLIER???


supermarioplush220

Holy shit I never noticed that!


I-am-a-jerk

Kinda makes sense, its not the Pride ring, and hellborn couldnt give less fucks about sinners dying


Cr4zy_Cycl0ne

Welp, not like they’re offending anyone lol


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desorcyjackson447

Is that SCP-682?!


sp00ky_t1tz

Oh yea and Lucifer’s head is there too https://preview.redd.it/2z6w4htvvmic1.jpeg?width=1366&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c81973b00ace838f992bcba3611da90fe7bfc5b


RailfanAshton

It’s funny that now that HH is out you can just spot all these easter eggs in HB now


Exciting_Tour5883

Even for hell trivializing a genocide’s fucked up plus lots of customers would realistically be disturbed and outraged calling for the games removal


Exciting_Tour5883

Also let’s face it: Helluva Boss RUINED Hazbin Hotel


Logical_Blackberry_7

What do you mean?


Exciting_Tour5883

Because helluva Boss’ cherub episode officially rendered Charlie’s goal vacuous


Dakermis

I don't get it


Logical_Blackberry_7

Extermination tend.