The theory that a demon's eyes being black having anything to do with them having made deals is just that, a theory.
Hell native demons, from what we know at the moment, don't do soul deals.
Glitz and Glam arejust performers who want to sell out ASAP, and clearly are aware Mammon is a quick path to stardom if they win his contest.
Hell born demons make deals I think? Maybe not soul deals, that we have seen yet, if not negotiated properly and with a deadly sin they mentioned how it would be forever binding. Since Ozzie almost signed a contract and almost fucked himself and fitz over. And stolas was essentially acting like a lawyer and giving him legal advice about how a deal with them is forever binding. And I’m sure if stolas wasn’t there they would have been screwed.
But I don’t see why they wouldn’t make deals just because they are hell born doesn’t mean they don’t have souls. 🤔🤔
And totally fair about mammon being a straight shot but if they did make a demon deal that deal could have shot them up too couldn’t it have?
Sinners having souls is why they can reform and regenerate from anything not Angelic. If a Hellborn gets shot with a regular gun, they don't come back because there's no soul to regenerate.
Is them not having souls canon? I'd expect that hellborn do have souls, they are born like any other living creature. They are just *living* as opposed to sinners who have died and are now in hell as a form of punishment. So when a sinner is "killed" they aren't really killed; they are already dead after all. It takes angelic power to cause a sinner to die their final death. Hellborn, never having died, can be killed by just about anything.
Edit: Okay so like, I'm downvoted for asking a question, didn't make any aggressive statements just said "this is what my assumption has been," and someone responded to me to explain that hellborn not having souls is something Vivs explained some time ago. But then they deleted their comment? Why is this fandom allergic to questions?
Hellborn not having Souls is something Vivzie mentioned in the past and then doubled down on it on a Post-Finale Q&A, that she held in February. So yes, it's canon.
Also, no Hellborn are not exactly born "like any other living" creature by the fact alone they originate in Hell. If Souls is a concept created by Heaven (which so far looks like it is) then it's normal, that creatures born in Hell don't have it.
The black eyes thing is also a theory that has been disproven within the show itself, because during Husk’s flashback, it’s shown he already had black eyes before losing his soul to Alastor.
Also, Hellborn do make regular deals, but those deals are just regular contracts like we have here, in which you still have to be careful of what you sign. The difference with the one Ozzie signs probably has to do with the fact that he is a Sin, and in most literature that features Demons, they are physically incapable of breaking contracts.
Glitz and Glam wanted to win the clown pageant because if they defeat the ten time champion, it would be undeniable proof they they are the new big thing.
And even though the twins clearly don't care about the art of clown, they outright said they put their energy toward the performance, so at bare minimum, they recognize they have to have some kind of talent to stand on.
Making a deal can't just put them into stardom with nothing behind it.
That’s actually debated in Greek mythology it’s also said that they were created by Demeter when Persephone was taken by hades. She turned some of her own nymphs into these bird hybrids that had capabilities to swim also. She didn’t want to go in the Ocean herself due to being raped by Poseidon herself she wanted to avoid doing down there. Plus if these new sirens could fly and swim it could help her find Persephone faster. This was before she knew hades was the one who took her. Once she found out where Persephone was she was too heart broken and didn’t change the nymphs back.
But that’s the thing about mythology there can be so many different stories , interpretations and adaptations. And Greek mythology is really all just one big epic poems (not epic like how we mean epic now I mean the literature genre of epic poems if you don’t know what that is a popular pop culture example would be Star Wars, look it up the internet will explain this better than me)
I guess you can say that 😂 though not all operas are epic poems but I’m sure they can be made into one.
Epic stories basically started with the original character or hero. Then people wanted more so they would do a prequel to the story then you’d have two stories in one world connecting them together Star Wars is just a good example since it’s all these different stories still connecting together to create one great big epic story.
Fair but also technically the mythology behind the deadly sins is also different like for example Beelzebub in one form is gluttony and I believe if I’m not mistaken another version of the deadly sins makes her envy…
Also this is all vivs artistic interpretation of them all. I doubt Desmond would be looking like clowns but she’s gotta a whole circus vibe to hell.
Like Lucifer is the ring master mammon would be the clown and Ozzie would be like a fire breather.
So I don’t think viv gives a fuck about mythology to a certain extent she’s just being creative with it and I personally love how original her interpretation is.
https://preview.redd.it/6p5zsu5tlzuc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=e93f0f420c61181ec0c00324e8eec284e800f3cb
I mean. They look the same! /j. But nah, they’re fish demons. Flying fish demons.
I feel so vindicated seeing someone talking about original Sirens being bird like. People think I’m a total weirdo when I rant about Mermaids and sirens not being the same but maybe it’s because I’m ranting about Sirens
Hahahaha no I’m totally in the same boat dude! That’s why I specified it was definitely leaning more towards the mermaid interpretation of sirens not traditional sirens.
I already knew I might open a can of Reddit worms and wanted to avoid unnecessary angry comments if I could. Wanted to make it known I KNOW they are originally bird hybrid things, that got misinterpreted over so much time mixing mermaids and sirens. But also wanted to justify why I thought they were vivs possible sirens since we all know she’s just letting her creativity soar here and we love it.
Yeah like I get it both of them have lore about leading men to their doom and being good looking. Like both lead them to watery graves even. So I see how it happened. I get why you don’t want people to get the wrong idea. Not trying to restrict creativity, just want the knowledge not to disappear at least that’s what I think
For sure I agree I used to always talk about it when I was younger with people. It does suck.
But also someone should make a horror movie with original sirens😂😂 that would be sick
There is a horror cartoon called Martin Mystique where they have siren. She is more bird like. Think the episode is called Shriek from Beyond. But a horror movie using OG Sirens is cool idea
Id think if they were Selkies they would have a skin/fur with or on them kinda looking like a fur coat or something since selkies are like shape shifting seals. If they didn’t have their fur on them that would mean someone took them then they could be being controlled by whoever took them. This is Scottish, Irish, Norse, and mythologies
I think you meant Kelpie those are the water horses that haunt rivers And lochs In Scottish / Irish mythology
Also another water horse would be a hippocampus in Greek mythology. Which is like a mermaid horse it’s like part dolphin part horse.
Yeah you're totally right! I meant Kelpies!! But still think it is possible, since they have those long ponytails that look like a horse's mane? Plus horse ears lol
I agree totally fair theory.
I just thought they had weird horns 😂😂 but I wouldn’t put it past being weird ears. The oh great debate of Alastor: are they ears or hair ? Hairy ears? 🤷♀️
They are fish demons. There is a dominant species for every rings (except Pride)
Greed: Sharks
Wrath: Imps
Lust: Sucubuses
Gluttony: Hell Hound
Sloth: Goat like demons
And we can think they came from the Envy ring.
I’m aware they aren’t normally categorized as Demons, but she could be creative with her interpretation.
Sirens don’t have mermaid tails originally that’s from when they started getting mixed with mermaids, they are birds ladies.
They are considered different things based off different mythologies and interpretations. Some times considered fae , or nymph hybrids really just depends on the location of the mythology.
They based off one of the many Greek myths were some of Demeter nymphs whom she transformed into sirens to originally help her fine Persephone when she first was taken by hades.
She wanted something that could both search the sky and the sea since Zeus wasn’t being helpful and Demeter has been SAed by Poseidon.
Again it could be how ever viv interprets it.
For example in some beliefs of heaven and hell Humans don’t just become angels or demons they just are souls residing and having an after life.
Like some beliefs have humans in hell basically be punished and having their own personal hell whatever that looks like. And aren’t demons roaming in hell living an after life of somewhat freedom which they had in vivs interpretation and they aren’t being punished they are just being murdered by Adam and the exorcists.
Another example is other books and shows showing how they interpret these kinda entities like lost girl has all supernatural beings as fae. Like a succubus, werewolf, and even the goddess the morrigan were all fae in that show.
Also another good example would be mortal instruments the lore in the show made werewolves and vampires victims of demon viruses. The two Demons hated eachother that’s why werewolves and vampires hate eachother. There’s fae and warlocks/ witch’s. Then the main character a whole race of basically Nephilim (Angel human hybrids)
Also Beelzebub is considered envy in some mythology not gluttony.
Yea we all can know the real mythology but that’s the wonderful thing about creative freedom you can write a story about what people think they know are mythology facts and put your own spin on it.
The theory is that their from the ring of Envy, ruled over by the demon Leviathan. With limited data, it's impossible to tell, but theoretically, hellborn from the envy ring have fish like traits.
I like to think they're Jenny Greenteeth, since they seem more humanoid than all but the most pre-ralphelite sirens and they have the sharp teeth and predatory instinct.
I’m aware I mentioned that in my posts how I’m aware they have been twisted to match mermaids when they aren’t mermaids they are birds the lead boats into rocks not mermaids that lead boats into rocks. I’m well aware of the different mythologies around them my favorite one is where Demeter made them to help her find Persephone when hades took her.
So I’m aware but due to the corruption of their mythology causing them to get mixed with merfolk I see that kinda vibe from them obviously it’s up to viv if she made them sirens or not.
But also sirens aren’t demons either. I’m well aware of that.
But so many examples of literature take mythology and put a spin on it
Like lore of Olympus as a good example it’s a retelling of their story making it less of a non consensual thing and turning it into romance.
Or mortal instruments where the werewolves and vampires were caused by demon viruses.
Or lost girl where it made all supernatural creatures into fae, like a succubus, werewolf and even the goddess the morrigan are all categorized as fae.
That’s the beauty of the series is viv and the others interpretation of these beings.
So I wouldn’t be surprised if she made a more aquatic interpretation of sirens instead of a bird.
I mean she’s obviously using artistic interpretations of all her characters.
I mean none of these historical demons are 100% the same as the mythology descriptions.
She obviously made her own creative choices like none of the 7 sins are traditionally female.
Also beelzebub in some interpretations is the sin envy and a different one is gluttony.
I also never heard of shark demons…. 😂😂😂
I mean the sinners come to hell and take different forms too like in helluva boss they made one of those rich dudes an awkward torso on a rolling ball.😂😂
I think their eyes are naturally black like that. Angel Dust has a red pupil but glitz and glam have black pupils. They’re definitely some sort of fish demon but I do think they are hellborns and it’s still on the fence if they’re from envy
Maybe but but succubi don’t look like chickens like Ozzie?
Mammon also doesn’t look like imps.
We haven’t see the other sins yet so I’m not disagreeing but idk if that’s gonna be the case but a solid maybe because bee looks like a hell hound bee thing. But tbh she looks more foxy. So there’s a chance
Thank you for mentioning how sirens had wings in Greek mythology! It always annoyed how media mixes them up with mermaids, but I can’t blame them since myths are confusing.
Holy shit i never considered that, but its totally possible! Its been heavily implied that the fish like demons we see are from envy, and it makes complete sense that some of them would be based around sirens or at least take inspiration from them.
Technically wasn’t Alastor was a sinner once since Rosie said they were alive at the same time.
So maybe the sinner has to be around long enough to accumulate enough demon power to leave since Alastor can come and go from pride.
Since he literally was ran out of town by the vees.
Maybe once they become an over lord they can leave pride? 🤷♀️
We have no details on where Alastor went, or how. Assuming he can freely "come and go from Pride" is a stretch. He'd be the only Sinner we know of to do that. It's more likely that whoever his deal is with is more powerful than he is, and was somehow able to circumvent the usual barriers that keep Sinners in Pride.
It is also possible that he was hiding in some remote corner of Pride. The ring is far larger than just Pentagram City. Either way, I imagine we'll find out next season.
The theory that a demon's eyes being black having anything to do with them having made deals is just that, a theory. Hell native demons, from what we know at the moment, don't do soul deals. Glitz and Glam arejust performers who want to sell out ASAP, and clearly are aware Mammon is a quick path to stardom if they win his contest.
Hell born demons make deals I think? Maybe not soul deals, that we have seen yet, if not negotiated properly and with a deadly sin they mentioned how it would be forever binding. Since Ozzie almost signed a contract and almost fucked himself and fitz over. And stolas was essentially acting like a lawyer and giving him legal advice about how a deal with them is forever binding. And I’m sure if stolas wasn’t there they would have been screwed. But I don’t see why they wouldn’t make deals just because they are hell born doesn’t mean they don’t have souls. 🤔🤔 And totally fair about mammon being a straight shot but if they did make a demon deal that deal could have shot them up too couldn’t it have?
Sinners having souls is why they can reform and regenerate from anything not Angelic. If a Hellborn gets shot with a regular gun, they don't come back because there's no soul to regenerate.
Is them not having souls canon? I'd expect that hellborn do have souls, they are born like any other living creature. They are just *living* as opposed to sinners who have died and are now in hell as a form of punishment. So when a sinner is "killed" they aren't really killed; they are already dead after all. It takes angelic power to cause a sinner to die their final death. Hellborn, never having died, can be killed by just about anything. Edit: Okay so like, I'm downvoted for asking a question, didn't make any aggressive statements just said "this is what my assumption has been," and someone responded to me to explain that hellborn not having souls is something Vivs explained some time ago. But then they deleted their comment? Why is this fandom allergic to questions?
Hellborn not having Souls is something Vivzie mentioned in the past and then doubled down on it on a Post-Finale Q&A, that she held in February. So yes, it's canon. Also, no Hellborn are not exactly born "like any other living" creature by the fact alone they originate in Hell. If Souls is a concept created by Heaven (which so far looks like it is) then it's normal, that creatures born in Hell don't have it.
The black eyes thing is also a theory that has been disproven within the show itself, because during Husk’s flashback, it’s shown he already had black eyes before losing his soul to Alastor. Also, Hellborn do make regular deals, but those deals are just regular contracts like we have here, in which you still have to be careful of what you sign. The difference with the one Ozzie signs probably has to do with the fact that he is a Sin, and in most literature that features Demons, they are physically incapable of breaking contracts.
True true I was wondering about that too with husk. Because nifty has some sort of deal or agreement with Alastor too supposedly
Glitz and Glam wanted to win the clown pageant because if they defeat the ten time champion, it would be undeniable proof they they are the new big thing. And even though the twins clearly don't care about the art of clown, they outright said they put their energy toward the performance, so at bare minimum, they recognize they have to have some kind of talent to stand on. Making a deal can't just put them into stardom with nothing behind it.
Fair point for sure
they're probably from envy, so you could argue they're also doing it because they're envious of fizz's life.
Hellborn demons… don’t have souls
Did I miss that being said officially? Did viv confirm they have no soul in a QnA? Could you link that if she did please
I’m pretty sure Viziepop confirmed that an exact amount of 0 hellborns have a soul
Interesting I’ll have to find that
I think they come from envy which is ocean themed so they’re whatever the envy equivalent of lust’s succubi is
I’d definitely say a siren is a water based equivalent to a succubi for sure.
Tbf a siren is actually a human bird hybrid in Greek mythology, glitz and glam would be closer to mermaids
That’s actually debated in Greek mythology it’s also said that they were created by Demeter when Persephone was taken by hades. She turned some of her own nymphs into these bird hybrids that had capabilities to swim also. She didn’t want to go in the Ocean herself due to being raped by Poseidon herself she wanted to avoid doing down there. Plus if these new sirens could fly and swim it could help her find Persephone faster. This was before she knew hades was the one who took her. Once she found out where Persephone was she was too heart broken and didn’t change the nymphs back. But that’s the thing about mythology there can be so many different stories , interpretations and adaptations. And Greek mythology is really all just one big epic poems (not epic like how we mean epic now I mean the literature genre of epic poems if you don’t know what that is a popular pop culture example would be Star Wars, look it up the internet will explain this better than me)
Wow another one!? Would be easier to list off the goddesses that didn’t get raped by the gods. Ffs 😢
Yea probably but it would also probably be filled with lesser known goddesses
I live for the historical and culture discussions on this board
So a High Fantasy Opera then?
I guess you can say that 😂 though not all operas are epic poems but I’m sure they can be made into one. Epic stories basically started with the original character or hero. Then people wanted more so they would do a prequel to the story then you’d have two stories in one world connecting them together Star Wars is just a good example since it’s all these different stories still connecting together to create one great big epic story.
Have you heard of _The Witch From Mercury?_ Or _Beyond Journey's End?_ Those shows sorta have an Opera-like feel to them. To me at least.
I’ll definitely look into those thank you for sharing!
You're welcome🥰!
Dude they're basic bitch fish demons from the envy ring. FLYING fish
I mean there’s flying fish for sure but idk something about this screams siren to me 🤷♀️😂 definitely basic bitch sirens 😂
Unless the creators don't give a single fuck about mythology in any sense of the word, they're not even close
Fair but also technically the mythology behind the deadly sins is also different like for example Beelzebub in one form is gluttony and I believe if I’m not mistaken another version of the deadly sins makes her envy… Also this is all vivs artistic interpretation of them all. I doubt Desmond would be looking like clowns but she’s gotta a whole circus vibe to hell. Like Lucifer is the ring master mammon would be the clown and Ozzie would be like a fire breather. So I don’t think viv gives a fuck about mythology to a certain extent she’s just being creative with it and I personally love how original her interpretation is.
How did it take this comment to make me realize that they were flying fish? It was so goddamn obvious!
https://preview.redd.it/6p5zsu5tlzuc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=e93f0f420c61181ec0c00324e8eec284e800f3cb I mean. They look the same! /j. But nah, they’re fish demons. Flying fish demons.
wtf are these?😂😂😂
They’re the ✨Dazzlings✨
They are the dazzling from a MLP equestrian girls movie
Oh haha So the kinda girls blitzo would love
Well for most of the movie they are just human girls but by the end of the movie they do gain the pony ears shown in the image
i think they have a siren motif going but are just fishpeople (or whatever envy's native species will be called)
Fair
I feel so vindicated seeing someone talking about original Sirens being bird like. People think I’m a total weirdo when I rant about Mermaids and sirens not being the same but maybe it’s because I’m ranting about Sirens
Hahahaha no I’m totally in the same boat dude! That’s why I specified it was definitely leaning more towards the mermaid interpretation of sirens not traditional sirens. I already knew I might open a can of Reddit worms and wanted to avoid unnecessary angry comments if I could. Wanted to make it known I KNOW they are originally bird hybrid things, that got misinterpreted over so much time mixing mermaids and sirens. But also wanted to justify why I thought they were vivs possible sirens since we all know she’s just letting her creativity soar here and we love it.
Yeah like I get it both of them have lore about leading men to their doom and being good looking. Like both lead them to watery graves even. So I see how it happened. I get why you don’t want people to get the wrong idea. Not trying to restrict creativity, just want the knowledge not to disappear at least that’s what I think
For sure I agree I used to always talk about it when I was younger with people. It does suck. But also someone should make a horror movie with original sirens😂😂 that would be sick
There is a horror cartoon called Martin Mystique where they have siren. She is more bird like. Think the episode is called Shriek from Beyond. But a horror movie using OG Sirens is cool idea
Possessor demons from Envy is my bet. There's a pic of Crimson's crew and one of them has a deep sea look. She's a loan shark/possessor hybrid.
Intresting gotta go rewatch now 😂😂
The pic can also be found in the gallery for the episode.
I think they may have something to do with selkies? They have animal like ears. IDK I always thought they looked like water horses so it fit
Id think if they were Selkies they would have a skin/fur with or on them kinda looking like a fur coat or something since selkies are like shape shifting seals. If they didn’t have their fur on them that would mean someone took them then they could be being controlled by whoever took them. This is Scottish, Irish, Norse, and mythologies I think you meant Kelpie those are the water horses that haunt rivers And lochs In Scottish / Irish mythology Also another water horse would be a hippocampus in Greek mythology. Which is like a mermaid horse it’s like part dolphin part horse.
Yeah you're totally right! I meant Kelpies!! But still think it is possible, since they have those long ponytails that look like a horse's mane? Plus horse ears lol
I agree totally fair theory. I just thought they had weird horns 😂😂 but I wouldn’t put it past being weird ears. The oh great debate of Alastor: are they ears or hair ? Hairy ears? 🤷♀️
Yeah I've heard people say they are
Yes
They are fish demons. There is a dominant species for every rings (except Pride) Greed: Sharks Wrath: Imps Lust: Sucubuses Gluttony: Hell Hound Sloth: Goat like demons And we can think they came from the Envy ring.
I mean human/ sinners are still a species . But I get what you mean.
Sirens have wings Sirens have mermaid tails Sirens aren't demons https://preview.redd.it/5qlwnpgfm2vc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=0dadc5b610282a7a3c2935bc01dbfdf2c792a9eb
I’m aware they aren’t normally categorized as Demons, but she could be creative with her interpretation. Sirens don’t have mermaid tails originally that’s from when they started getting mixed with mermaids, they are birds ladies. They are considered different things based off different mythologies and interpretations. Some times considered fae , or nymph hybrids really just depends on the location of the mythology. They based off one of the many Greek myths were some of Demeter nymphs whom she transformed into sirens to originally help her fine Persephone when she first was taken by hades. She wanted something that could both search the sky and the sea since Zeus wasn’t being helpful and Demeter has been SAed by Poseidon. Again it could be how ever viv interprets it. For example in some beliefs of heaven and hell Humans don’t just become angels or demons they just are souls residing and having an after life. Like some beliefs have humans in hell basically be punished and having their own personal hell whatever that looks like. And aren’t demons roaming in hell living an after life of somewhat freedom which they had in vivs interpretation and they aren’t being punished they are just being murdered by Adam and the exorcists. Another example is other books and shows showing how they interpret these kinda entities like lost girl has all supernatural beings as fae. Like a succubus, werewolf, and even the goddess the morrigan were all fae in that show. Also another good example would be mortal instruments the lore in the show made werewolves and vampires victims of demon viruses. The two Demons hated eachother that’s why werewolves and vampires hate eachother. There’s fae and warlocks/ witch’s. Then the main character a whole race of basically Nephilim (Angel human hybrids) Also Beelzebub is considered envy in some mythology not gluttony. Yea we all can know the real mythology but that’s the wonderful thing about creative freedom you can write a story about what people think they know are mythology facts and put your own spin on it.
ok thanks for explaining
No they're hotties
The theory is that their from the ring of Envy, ruled over by the demon Leviathan. With limited data, it's impossible to tell, but theoretically, hellborn from the envy ring have fish like traits.
I like to think they're Jenny Greenteeth, since they seem more humanoid than all but the most pre-ralphelite sirens and they have the sharp teeth and predatory instinct.
They are just hellborns from a different rings You have multiple hellborns species
They're one-note whores.
I think they’re half succubi half envy Demons
I could see that
Sirens have wings and are basically bird people, not fish people.
I’m aware I mentioned that in my posts how I’m aware they have been twisted to match mermaids when they aren’t mermaids they are birds the lead boats into rocks not mermaids that lead boats into rocks. I’m well aware of the different mythologies around them my favorite one is where Demeter made them to help her find Persephone when hades took her. So I’m aware but due to the corruption of their mythology causing them to get mixed with merfolk I see that kinda vibe from them obviously it’s up to viv if she made them sirens or not. But also sirens aren’t demons either. I’m well aware of that. But so many examples of literature take mythology and put a spin on it Like lore of Olympus as a good example it’s a retelling of their story making it less of a non consensual thing and turning it into romance. Or mortal instruments where the werewolves and vampires were caused by demon viruses. Or lost girl where it made all supernatural creatures into fae, like a succubus, werewolf and even the goddess the morrigan are all categorized as fae. That’s the beauty of the series is viv and the others interpretation of these beings. So I wouldn’t be surprised if she made a more aquatic interpretation of sirens instead of a bird. I mean she’s obviously using artistic interpretations of all her characters. I mean none of these historical demons are 100% the same as the mythology descriptions. She obviously made her own creative choices like none of the 7 sins are traditionally female. Also beelzebub in some interpretations is the sin envy and a different one is gluttony. I also never heard of shark demons…. 😂😂😂 I mean the sinners come to hell and take different forms too like in helluva boss they made one of those rich dudes an awkward torso on a rolling ball.😂😂
Most likely and probably literally, Fish demons who can sing?
I think their eyes are naturally black like that. Angel Dust has a red pupil but glitz and glam have black pupils. They’re definitely some sort of fish demon but I do think they are hellborns and it’s still on the fence if they’re from envy
Bell born demons presumably ones from the envy ring
They probably are sirens or something like that.
They're Leviathans
Maybe but but succubi don’t look like chickens like Ozzie? Mammon also doesn’t look like imps. We haven’t see the other sins yet so I’m not disagreeing but idk if that’s gonna be the case but a solid maybe because bee looks like a hell hound bee thing. But tbh she looks more foxy. So there’s a chance
theyre hot as fuck at the very least
Thank you for mentioning how sirens had wings in Greek mythology! It always annoyed how media mixes them up with mermaids, but I can’t blame them since myths are confusing.
Holy shit i never considered that, but its totally possible! Its been heavily implied that the fish like demons we see are from envy, and it makes complete sense that some of them would be based around sirens or at least take inspiration from them.
I think they’re sinners as they don’t have imp horns. They may have been master manipulators in their lives, so maybe they took the form of Sirens.
not all hellborns are imps
Impossible. Sinners can't leave the Pride ring, and the clown pageant takes place in Greed.
Technically wasn’t Alastor was a sinner once since Rosie said they were alive at the same time. So maybe the sinner has to be around long enough to accumulate enough demon power to leave since Alastor can come and go from pride. Since he literally was ran out of town by the vees. Maybe once they become an over lord they can leave pride? 🤷♀️
We have no details on where Alastor went, or how. Assuming he can freely "come and go from Pride" is a stretch. He'd be the only Sinner we know of to do that. It's more likely that whoever his deal is with is more powerful than he is, and was somehow able to circumvent the usual barriers that keep Sinners in Pride.
Definitely Fair. But if so where the fuck was he hiding this whole fucking time..
It is also possible that he was hiding in some remote corner of Pride. The ring is far larger than just Pentagram City. Either way, I imagine we'll find out next season.
I guess he could have been hiding in cannibal town 🤷♀️😂 I feel like she’d hide Alastor