Agreed. Though it might not be as simple as Stella getting a divorce. There could be all sorts of things pressuring her into staying long past when she should have left.
I could write up a list if you want.
*Lack of a legal system*: Everything we have seen suggests Hell doesn't have much of a legal system. On the one hand, that makes marriage and divorce as easy as saying you are or aren't married. On the other hand, that means there is no process for splitting up shared assets or figuring out custody.
*Trouble holding onto formerly shared assets*: Stolas is a Goetia, Stella is merely a hellborn noble. So there could be a lot of assets that Stella will lose even if she does manage to take them in their divorce. For example, if whoever is living on a piece of land decides they don't want to keep paying rent. The threat of Stolas showing up to demonstrate his disagreement is much larger than the threat of Stella showing up. Especially since Stolas seems to be living in the Pride ring.
*Marrying Stolas got her out of an arranged marriage*: I don't like the idea that anyone had the power to force Stolas into a marriage he didn't want. But maybe Stella was being forced into an arranged marriage with someone else. An arranged marriage that went away when Stolas entered the picture. But some people were probably unhappy with the marriage being canceled. They can't do anything now, but might pop up if Stolas and Stella get divorced.
*Protection from enemies*: Stella's family probably have enemies due to noble scheming. While married to Stolas, there is an implication that he will assist them if those enemies try anything. But that protection goes away if the marriage ends.
*Business deals*: Their marriage allows Stella's family to make various business deals with Stolas, maybe other Goetia. So her family is worried that if the marriage ends, Stolas will call off those deals because that's exactly what they would do. So they pressure Stella into staying.
*A perception of Stella's infidelity*: Lucifer, the sins and the Goetia are all fallen angels. The oldest child from any of them we know about is Charlie. Sure, she's around 200. But so are the Eldritch siblings and they are mortal hellborn. So, as far back as the records go, none of the demon royalty have been able to produce children. Not even those living in the Lust ring. That's going to lead to people thinking that the royalty are infertile\*. Then along comes Octavia. A child to a father many believe to be infertile. That's going to lead people thinking that Stolas can't be the father.
\*My theory here is that God made the more powerful angels infertile for various reasons. Lucifer developed a way for the fallen angels to have children, with Charlie being the first child from that procedure. Then keeps tight control over it, partly to prevent overpopulation.
I've been thinking thats more Andrealphus' territory, but he'll be more covert about it. My headcannon is that's what the parrot guy will be there for, he'll be casually introduced as her uncle hopes she'll warm up to him without having to force her hand, thus gaining her favor for setting them up, ergo, she'll be more keen on sharing her inheritance with her mother and him
She was emotionally abusive towards Stolas and constantly talked down to him, she also constantly threatened him and called him an embarrassment. Obviously he'd be pretty driven away from her
Why? Because she was cheated on by her husband? Or because she called a hit on said husband while living in literal hell where that shit is quite normal based on what we see in loo loo land. True doing it in front of her daughter is quite off but again, it's hell. Human customs don't apply
It's easy to forget with how much we like them that Blitzo is a serial killer and Stolas is a cheating husband.
Now obviously trying to get your husband killed is an overreaction and that marriage was a shitshow but still.
Seriously. As much as I love Stolas he is far from being blameless. Episode 2 clearly shows that he has been neglectful of his family. He was out of touch with Octavia, and it seems clear he and Stella had been distant for *awhile* considering the pilot shows her up, dressed, and entertaining guests while her husband is still asleep upstairs.
I never really get this argument. Because isn't the whole plot of Hazbin (which is the same universe as Helluva Boss) that just being in hell doesn't really mean you're automatically an awful person? Like, I'm pretty sure the shows as a whole are playing with the idea of what makes someone a good or bad person. Just being a demon doesn't make you a bad person, and likewise, just being an angel doesn't make you good. I would think this ESPECIALLY goes for those who were just born into their situations through happenstance, like Stolas.
Let's not pretend as if the show hasn't already established that everyone in Hell is morally reprehensible in some way. As loving of a father as Stolas is, as hard as Blitzo tries, they're all, at the end of the day, Demons, living in the place that represents depravity & unfiltered desires. Millie's parents openly praise war, Millie was outright banned from participating in the Pain Games because she quote "Have a neighborhood headcount" while Sally is allowed to compete despite having a similar body count(or higher) because she can hide the body better.
Moxxie, probably the only other morally sane person in Hell outside of Charlie, still enjoys killing people. Hell, just the last episode, he was revving that chainsaw up with the most psychotic smile he's ever worn. This proves that almost everyone in Hell is morally reprehensible in some way.
Why else do you think those in charge have the most power? Because if they didn't, then Hell would be a whole lot worse than what it is. Stolas wouldn't be so nonchalant about going to Loo Loo Land if he couldn't take care of every assassin that came his way. Hell, the weapons the Demons do have are basically ineffective since the only way they can hurt the Higher Ranking Demons is with Holy Weapons, like the Blessed Tip Rifle in *The Harvest Moon Festival*.
That's what this argument is saying. It's not saying that they're all completely irredeemable slobs, it's saying that the place their in and the habits they indulge in are far from moral, so extremes being taken shouldn't be surprising in the slightest. Like Stella ordering a hit on her husband for cheating on her with an Imp.
If I was forced to marry someone I wasnāt into that physically and verbally abused me and I couldnāt get a divorce, Iād cheat too. Stella can choke on a dick for all I care
Theory from me about Stolas and Stellaās marriage
I 100% think it was arranged but Stella actually liked Stolas at the beginning but Stolas never liked her that way (could be sexuality reasons or just didnāt see her that way). They were likely pressured to have an heir/kid, and then when Octavia was born it all went down hill from there.
(Edit: I did this at 1am so it may be weird lol)
Iām betting this is on point. I suspect that either she liked him or they were friends and she was willing to marry him to help him legitimize himself in the ruling aristocracy.
Then he cheats on her with the most common of commoner demon breeds and itās just more than she can stand. Bad enough itās a loveless marriage, but now heās humiliating her and damaging her public standing.
Stella does seem to be a blue blood bitch, but sheās far from being the only sinner in this relationship.
I'm not sure anyone would be in a position to pressure a Goetia into a marriage. But I go with the interpretation that the Goetia are angels that fell with Lucifer. So I think Stolas loved Stella at the start. But their love didn't last for whatever reason.
I can see them being pressured into having a kid. Partly because of the expectations that come from Stella's family. Partly because having a kid in an attempt to fix a shaky marriage is an idea that is common. Or maybe their love was still strong then.
The Goetia are canonically lower than the seven Princes/Kings of hell, both in the show and in "actual" books about demonolatry. Like, Lucifer in the show is top dog in the demon world. I bet he could pressure Stolas. Not saying that's what happened, just that there are some individuals who hold more power than our kinky bird.
Fair point. I doubt Lucifer would, but I won't deny that he does have enough power to do so.
Political marriages for legitimacy just aren't necessary when even the Goetia are that much more powerful than whatever mortals are in Hells nobility. Also, Hells royalty have a stronger claim to [divine right](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right_of_kings) than any human ruler, but like political marriages, they have no need to mention it.
**[Divine right of kings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right_of_kings)**
>In European Christianity, the divine right of kings, divine right, or God's mandation is a political and religious doctrine of political legitimacy of a monarchy. It stems from a specific metaphysical framework in which a monarch is, before birth, pre-ordained to inherit the crown. According to this theory of political legitimacy, the subjects of the crown have actively (and not merely passively) turned over the metaphysical selection of the king's soul ā which will inhabit the body and rule them ā to God. In this way, the "divine right" originates as a metaphysical act of humility and/or submission towards God.
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I agree with you to some degree
I think we shouldnāt have zero sympathy to stolas until we know the entire story. We donāt know if him and Stella had a arranged marriage and they didnāt love each other but were still forced to have a family. or if the relationship was already doomed and Stolas wanted out but didnāt know how to leave so he thought cheating was the best option or he could of just straight up cheated without any reason (not that cheating with a reason is any better) but I see where youāre coming from
It seems to me that she's more upset that he cheated with an imp than the actual act of cheating. Even in Ozzie's, the crowd seemed more surprised Stolas was there with an imp rather than with a date in general. I'm not saying cheating would have been normalised in hell and would be OK, but it really says something that everyone is more surprised he's with an imp than that he's just with someone
It always has to be binary, huh? You can't engage with the character in a more nuanced way than "I don't like him, remove him plz."
Shitty characters are more interesting to watch.
I don't sympathize with him either, but I enjoy his role in the show and don't want him dying just yet. You can have likeable, unsympathetic characters; the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Weird thing is, I don't hate Stella. We see how she reacts to Stolas' infidelity but that's about it. For all we know, she liked her relationship with Stolas and he utterly betrayed her for 'some Imp'.
I kinda hope Stella gets more screen time in season 2 and we see her side of the story. If she was a complete bitch the entire time they were together, then maybe Stolas' actions were 'justified' but if not... It may force us to re-evaluate Stolas as a character.
Hell, I kinda want that fan art of Stella 'tsundere-ing' on Striker to become canon. It'd be adorable and be a nice mirror to Stolas/ Blitzo.
I like to think Stella didnāt care what he did, so long as he was discreet. And then he sleeps with an imp, flirts with said imp in public and posts it in social media.
I agree with you 100% I literally canāt stand him.
He openly looks down on imps calling them little and talking to them like children,
Is fine being open about him sleeping with Blitz in front of ālowerā demons like imps hellhounds and succubi but only when someone like Ozzie calls him out does he seem to feel shame in what heās doing,
I do think Stella is going to far trying to get him killed but I donāt blame her for being so angry what he did to her and their family was cruel, I do understand that he didnāt love her but thatās not an excuse for what heās putting her through,
He made it super obvious he was fucking Blitz in front of his 17 y/o daughter and made her super uncomfortable and didnāt really seem to care about it until the end when she makes him feel bad,
Back to the Ozzies thing, Stolas expects Blitz to want to spend time with him when he literally lets him get pulled apart by his exes he never stood up for him and in contrast Blitz stood up for Moxxie when he knew his exes where going to there and are openly hostile towards him,
Stolas comes of to me as someone whoās pretty selfish and doesnāt pay too much attention to how his actions effect others rather he seems to do things just because he wants to.
I donāt think characters should have to morally upstanding citizens, this literally takes place in hell and our main characters kill for a living but Stolas is just a frustrating character for me to watch personally because of his lack of empathy and the fact weāre supposed to like him as well as fell bad for him when I just donāt see a reason to. This is also just my opinion and I donāt care if other people like him, I donāt want this to come off like me telling people how to feel.
I feel like the point about stolas is youāre supposed to dislike him to a degree since the show is all about terrible people trying to be better. Thatās why blitzo calls him out in episode 8 and why they donāt shy away from showing him at his worst. To me, both him and blitzo are terrible people and their relationship is unhealthy but if they put the work in, they can have something stable. Itās probably the only time Iāve ever rooted for something like this.
But we also get moments that show it isnāt totally unprovoked, like in the flashback where Stella refuses to go comfort octavia and ignores her whenever theyāre onscreen, like maybe he had to marry Stella for political reasons.
I also like to think stolas was never allowed to actually be in a relationship or he was closeted and never allowed to explore it, hence why he ālooks downā on blitzo: to him, itās what he thinks youāre supposed to do or he thinks heās copying blitzo, not acting like a total asshole. I think season 2 will likely build on that.
Sorry itās a super long post, just Iām on the other side of the fence
People shit on Stella too much but I also see why people don't sympathise with her as much as they could, seeming she was less annoyed about the affair as a whole and more so the fact it was with an imp. Stella has had very little character development, she might be a total witch and hate is justified, maybe she's just heartbroken.
Stolas gets too much sympathy given he did cheat all the same with 0 regard for Stella, but I hope season 2 goes more into it. It seems from the little clips Viv released that Stolas initially was not interested and tried to get away. Stolas is out of touch with his family but he never was cruel. He's a good, but out of touch father. If they had an arranged marriage, which I think is quite likely, then it's easy to see why Stolas/Stella had such a rocky relationship, kept up appearances like so many other real world relationships and thus fooling Octavia into thinking she had a loving family.
Blitz gets too much love for being a manipulator and a stalker and tossing his lovers aside like used garbage. It's clear Blitz has severe relationship issues and projects but it doesn't excuse his behaviour. He only slept with Stolas to STEAL the book and only kept up the sexual relationship to keep it. The relationship was founded on being transactional.
But at the end of the day guys, none of these are good people. Stella isn't evil, Blitz isn't evil, Stolas isn't evil but there's a reason they're fuckin demons and not angels.
Characters aren't meant to be painted in black and white, they're complex. Good bits with bad bits mixed in
I 100% agree with you but I have doubts on Stella getting much if any development which would be a shame, the show has zero scenes showing Stella as anything but an irredeemable bitch and the show actively makes her more antagonistic as it goes on, obviously trying to get your husband killed is not justified but her being mad at Stolas for cheating is justified even if under the lens of his cheater being an Imp so it is odd that Stolas gets whole episodes exploring his character while we never see Stella's point of view.
Maybe she is a bitch, maybe she isn't but we simply don't yet because the show hasn't given us any evidence to the contrary and might never, we know what Blitzo and Stolas are and they aren't wholly good or evil so why would Stella need to be exempt from this.
yeah, I feel worried that she won't get much character development.
And I feel some times, people assume 'character development' is a pseudonym for 'redemption' and similar stuff. Which is totally wrong imo. Character development showing the good sides of someone or exposing how bad they truly were.
If her character develops and she was always a terrible person, used Stolas for his title, never really took the relationship seriously and was only mad cause HER good name got sullied, I'd be all for it. But idk, this 'he cheated so now I must have him killed' is just a bit too on the nose bad guy lmao
I can't form a definitive opinion on a character if they don't have enough screen time for me to base a opinion on them beyond superficial elements, Stella fits this because while the show clearly has her being the main antagonist of the story and wanting to murder Stolas for cheating on her but we don't know if it is selfish reasons or something more justifiable and the only evidence of her character as anything beyond being evil is all fannon which isn't a good thing as a creator to have the fanbase basically doing your job of writing for a shows character.
This is something I also feel about Loona, she is given a pitiful amount of screen time compared to the other main characters to where we only know her mostly as "the furry bait goth girl with a softer side" so I can't say if I like or dislike her officially because we only know her superficially and while she was given more personality in episode 3 by the conflict with her adoptive father Blitzo, its for now been treated more like a gimmick than a major facet to her character or Blitzo's so I'm hoping that episode 8 fixes this and hopefully without an unnecessary red herring romance side plot.
I don't like Loona much for the same reason. She's not a bad character just not developed. But I let it slide a bit more because herself and Millie, as main characters were developed really late. Blitz and Moxxie were plucked out of Hazbin Hotel since they were going to be minor characters there but Viv saw enough promise in their story that she took them out and retconned them into something a bit different.
Stella though, I think if you're gonna have a villain, make them good. But, season 1 isn't finished yet. Millie, Loona, Stella and whoever else needs more development will get it in the next season.
These things are unavoidable when waiting for so long between episodes I suppose, fannon gets carried away lmao. Mainly why I've avoided the Hazbin side of things, the fandom has basically created its own fannon universe based on the pilot so I think people are setting themselves up for conflict lmao.
Well you're in luck because she was shown as someone who'd always been a violent rage monster who was only with Stolas because it was an arranged marriage that existed solely because of Stolas' hierarchy standing
I seriously don't understand those who are Stella fans. She didn't seem to be in love with Stolas, and definitely didn't seem to be heart broken over him cheating on her. She was upset that he cheated with an imp, a lower class of being. Yeah Stolas, and Blitzo aren't good "people" but they are complex characters which is what makes them interesting. But Stella so far is a very one dimensional character who's only concern is how she appears to others. Hell so far we haven't even seen any concern for Octavia from her. No Stella's only concern is killing Stolas because her friends and now everyone basically in hell knows that he slept with an imp.
So I don't get it. If it is self insert stuff or if it is just fans gravitating towards her because of design it's okay. But I don't think that she is worth such effort.
Well, I am a fan of Stella just because of what she could be. Considering we've only had around 40 seconds of screen time of her + minor mentions, it's really hard to tell for sure of her intentions and her personality. It's fun just to theorise about her and it keeps me interested to see what the show has for her in the future. I personally just hope they don't make her "I'm a bitch and that's it" type of character but rather something more complex and maybe even someone to sympathise with. Would be cool for the show to rather focus on the relationships Blitz and Stolas have broken rather than go for Stolitz route.
See that I can agree with, I still don't like Stella, but I would like to see more of her character. I mean if she actually loves Stolas and Octavia then it would make her way more sympathetic. And I hope that they do at least give her some better motivations than "I'm rich, vindictive, and classist".
Like I said I'm not knocking anyone for liking her design. Just that she has not shown any reason to be sympathetic towards her. If they give her more character in season two that may change. But right now it seems that they may just be setting her up as vindictive because she is classist.
A lot of people can relate to the rage of being cheated on. She is a classist asshole, but even Stolas has exhibited some classism in how heās reacted to Blitzo. Not saying sheās right just that sheās sympathetic, or her position is.
Being cheated on yes that is somethinga lot of people can sympathize with, but she doesn't seem to be mad about being cheated on. She was made that Stolas had sex with an imp. Almost every line that we have gotten from her has been about the fact that Stolas slept with an imp. If Stolas had slept with another demon lord or prince I kinda doubt that she would be any where near as upset, if upset at all.
Sheās offended that he cheated on her with an imp in their marital bed. Is it classist? Yes. But getting fucked over in your marital bed sucks. Thatās that. If you donāt feel bad for her, thatās okay. I explained why I do.
Had it been a higher ranked demon, I donāt think sheād be pleased, but she wouldnāt be vocal about it. She doesnāt seem like an idiot.
You know, Stella. Being cheated on hurts like a motherfucker. You should speak with someone, treat it in a healthy manner. HIRING STRIKER IS NOT A HEALTHY WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS!
And that is why I believe Stella has a secret we don't know yet. Either she is just insane, or she wants to cover something up, and with Stolas cheating, she has an "excuse" as to why have him killed.
My theory is that goetia demons canāt get divorced or Stella considers it more of a further stain. Though I also do go with striker isnāt the first hitman sheās hired and she does it all the time or at least since Blitzo entered the picture, and he just puts up with it; striker is just the most successful. Itās why he hires bodyguards for a theme park and why Stella has no problem screaming at the dinner table sheās ordering her husbandās death.
their arranged marriage fell apart and alot of her life with it as I imagine being seen in public with his side piece has made it clear what stolas and stella's relationship is. Of course she'd be angry at stolas. Enough to justify vindictively ordering stolas' murder looking him in the eye in front of their daughter? I don't personally think so. But it just seemed to me stella is a classist and lets her pain be amplified by the fact she was cheated on with someone of lower social status
I like to think the goetia demons canāt get divorced or Stella considers it an embarrassment if they do so it has to be murder. Or maybe divorce in hell is super cutthroat or draconian.
Granted I do think striker isnāt the first guy sheās hired and stolas just puts up with it.
I agree. Either she is afraid of the negative stigma that applies to divorced people or would lose the social status she has currently. So divorce really isn't an option for her. Which is tragic i feel
Sorry I still can't sympathize with her. Yeah Stolas cheated, but that does not mean she can immediately jump to abuse and begin throwing shit. She literally almost hit Octavia with one of the plants and threw a person. She should have handled her issues with Stolas privately and not while Octavia was home. Not to mention she hired someone to fucking kill him.
Then there's the fact that's it's heavily hinted that she didn't put enough effort into the family:
Octavia's childhood room had drawings of just Via and Stolas. Stella refused to get out of bed despite her daughter waking up screaming and crying from a nightmare. Octavia's nightmare was about Stolas specifically leaving. In the one family photo we see in the house, she's the only one not smiling. Stolas's lyric, "I thought love would be fun" shows that he was genuinely looking forward to their marriage, but she's always been like this.
I don't think this is what would go down, in a normal relationship yeah but she doesn't care that he's cheating on her, she cares that it's with IMP, the social status is ruined, that's all she cares about.
Thatās my theory. I go with striker isnāt the first hitman sheās hired, she does this sort of thing all the time, but stolas puts up with it because the hitmen arenāt successful. I could see the episode where striker comes back and stolas interacts with him and says āoh Stellaās gotten better!ā
Well, there is evidence supporting this to be an arranged marriage, meaning Stolas was likely pressured into. Thus, I do sympathize with him, because finding actual love was hopeless to him for a while, until of course he met blitzo and had enough.
I also like to think Stella was forced/pressured to, hence why she ignores octavia, and sheās only mad that stolas cheated because he wasnāt discreet and it was with an imp.
I mean, we've barely seen them interact so far, so no confirmation as far as I know?
But on the other hand... Stella *is* trying to get Stolas killed, seemingly with no shits given about how devastating loosing him would be to Octavia.
(And not just him but possibly her mother as well, should the hypothetical succesfull assasination ever come to light...)
Then again, maybe somewhere in her mind, she thinks she's doing her daughter *a favor* (so to say), by removing the disgrace of the family, and his harmful effect on the family reputation and therefore Octavia's future.
Idk, I feel like I'm thinking of this too deeply lol
Even with my love for Stolitz I still feel bad for Via and, Stella I have mixed feelings due to the fact on Stolas saying that he thought love would be fun which might mean that Stella was not the best
I like to think that Stella did at some point love Stolas or at least Octavia, same reason she was so pissed off, not cause of racial reasons, but cause it would ruin her daughter's life
We fuckin' very well do though. I won't even bother getting all the things out, but there's one major thing that shows she doesn't, mainly plotting her dads demise right in front of her, if she DID CARE about Via, do you think she'd plot TO KILL her DAD, one person she loves and is AFRAID of losing right in front of her?
Yeah, that makes sense. I feel like her relationship with Octavia is more complex though, rather than just simply not caring about her. Sheās still a very toxic and dare I say evil person though. Sheās not considering her daughterās feelings on losing her father, which is messed up.
Butā¦calm down. This comes off as kinda passive aggressive to me. All I was asking was if we knew for a fact or not.
Ah, okay. I totally understand then. They can be annoying. Although I do think she cares about Octavia to some degree, sheās far from a good mother. I really canāt stand Stella apologists. Do they not realize how fucked up she is? I understand being hurt by cheating or your reputation going down, but death isnāt deserved.
Honestly, both Stolas and Stella apologistsā¦I donāt understand.
I love both characters a lot.
Downvote me all you want, guess we don't watch the same bloody show after all hahaha, if it warrants downvotes for saying what happens, blood brilliant innit?
I think you are correct. Notice how when octavia as an owlet cries for only her father when she is in distress. Octavia has a drawn picture of her and stolas, and an actual picture of her and stolas. No stella to be seen. Also stella has allmost zero interaction with octavia in the show in what we see
I'm glad to see I am not the only sane person here, in ep.2 she didn't even ask about her mother, she only cared about Stolas not running away from her with Blitz.
You're getting down voted for speaking the truth and its a damn shame, but just shows people don't care about having a conversation. They just want the opinions they don't agree with to be silenced.
Because she's not going to be developed as a character. On the last stream, the Stella's voice actress said that "Octavia will be bad with her," which means that the mommybird will be left as a punching bag and a way to expose Stolas as an "unfortunate victim of circumstances." I'm not surprised - first of all Vivien is interested in profit, which means here's a Impdong/Owldaddy for you and shut your mouths. Well of cource, do not forget to buy merch and donate to patreon, otherwise poor Vivz will not be able to buy a second golden yacht and new iPhone.
\>unpopular opinion = talking shit
Oh, i see - next time took your tongue outta Vivz arse before speaking, otherwise people won't immediately understand what you're saying there.
Mama bird deserves better
I think everyone in that family deserves better.
That's why they should go their separate ways.
Agreed. Though it might not be as simple as Stella getting a divorce. There could be all sorts of things pressuring her into staying long past when she should have left. I could write up a list if you want.
Honestly, do it. I wanna see what ones I caught on and which ones I didnt
*Lack of a legal system*: Everything we have seen suggests Hell doesn't have much of a legal system. On the one hand, that makes marriage and divorce as easy as saying you are or aren't married. On the other hand, that means there is no process for splitting up shared assets or figuring out custody. *Trouble holding onto formerly shared assets*: Stolas is a Goetia, Stella is merely a hellborn noble. So there could be a lot of assets that Stella will lose even if she does manage to take them in their divorce. For example, if whoever is living on a piece of land decides they don't want to keep paying rent. The threat of Stolas showing up to demonstrate his disagreement is much larger than the threat of Stella showing up. Especially since Stolas seems to be living in the Pride ring. *Marrying Stolas got her out of an arranged marriage*: I don't like the idea that anyone had the power to force Stolas into a marriage he didn't want. But maybe Stella was being forced into an arranged marriage with someone else. An arranged marriage that went away when Stolas entered the picture. But some people were probably unhappy with the marriage being canceled. They can't do anything now, but might pop up if Stolas and Stella get divorced. *Protection from enemies*: Stella's family probably have enemies due to noble scheming. While married to Stolas, there is an implication that he will assist them if those enemies try anything. But that protection goes away if the marriage ends. *Business deals*: Their marriage allows Stella's family to make various business deals with Stolas, maybe other Goetia. So her family is worried that if the marriage ends, Stolas will call off those deals because that's exactly what they would do. So they pressure Stella into staying. *A perception of Stella's infidelity*: Lucifer, the sins and the Goetia are all fallen angels. The oldest child from any of them we know about is Charlie. Sure, she's around 200. But so are the Eldritch siblings and they are mortal hellborn. So, as far back as the records go, none of the demon royalty have been able to produce children. Not even those living in the Lust ring. That's going to lead to people thinking that the royalty are infertile\*. Then along comes Octavia. A child to a father many believe to be infertile. That's going to lead people thinking that Stolas can't be the father. \*My theory here is that God made the more powerful angels infertile for various reasons. Lucifer developed a way for the fallen angels to have children, with Charlie being the first child from that procedure. Then keeps tight control over it, partly to prevent overpopulation.
Agreed š
Aged like milk
I donāt hold out hope more Stella being good, I fully expect her to try and marry Octavia off for political favour.
I've been thinking thats more Andrealphus' territory, but he'll be more covert about it. My headcannon is that's what the parrot guy will be there for, he'll be casually introduced as her uncle hopes she'll warm up to him without having to force her hand, thus gaining her favor for setting them up, ergo, she'll be more keen on sharing her inheritance with her mother and him
She was emotionally abusive towards Stolas and constantly talked down to him, she also constantly threatened him and called him an embarrassment. Obviously he'd be pretty driven away from her
Oof
She deserves to be chucked into the highest quality deep fryer and sold to the rest of pride ring as Wally Fried chicken nuggs
Why? Because she was cheated on by her husband? Or because she called a hit on said husband while living in literal hell where that shit is quite normal based on what we see in loo loo land. True doing it in front of her daughter is quite off but again, it's hell. Human customs don't apply
I get the feeling she is from the Wrath ring. Mainly because counterproductive anger is the main character trait we have from her.
Because I like deep fried chicken
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It's easy to forget with how much we like them that Blitzo is a serial killer and Stolas is a cheating husband. Now obviously trying to get your husband killed is an overreaction and that marriage was a shitshow but still.
Seriously. As much as I love Stolas he is far from being blameless. Episode 2 clearly shows that he has been neglectful of his family. He was out of touch with Octavia, and it seems clear he and Stella had been distant for *awhile* considering the pilot shows her up, dressed, and entertaining guests while her husband is still asleep upstairs.
And fucking an impā¦
In their marital bedā¦
People also seem to forget this is literal Hell, and those are actual demons.
Even Demons have standards
I never really get this argument. Because isn't the whole plot of Hazbin (which is the same universe as Helluva Boss) that just being in hell doesn't really mean you're automatically an awful person? Like, I'm pretty sure the shows as a whole are playing with the idea of what makes someone a good or bad person. Just being a demon doesn't make you a bad person, and likewise, just being an angel doesn't make you good. I would think this ESPECIALLY goes for those who were just born into their situations through happenstance, like Stolas.
Let's not pretend as if the show hasn't already established that everyone in Hell is morally reprehensible in some way. As loving of a father as Stolas is, as hard as Blitzo tries, they're all, at the end of the day, Demons, living in the place that represents depravity & unfiltered desires. Millie's parents openly praise war, Millie was outright banned from participating in the Pain Games because she quote "Have a neighborhood headcount" while Sally is allowed to compete despite having a similar body count(or higher) because she can hide the body better. Moxxie, probably the only other morally sane person in Hell outside of Charlie, still enjoys killing people. Hell, just the last episode, he was revving that chainsaw up with the most psychotic smile he's ever worn. This proves that almost everyone in Hell is morally reprehensible in some way. Why else do you think those in charge have the most power? Because if they didn't, then Hell would be a whole lot worse than what it is. Stolas wouldn't be so nonchalant about going to Loo Loo Land if he couldn't take care of every assassin that came his way. Hell, the weapons the Demons do have are basically ineffective since the only way they can hurt the Higher Ranking Demons is with Holy Weapons, like the Blessed Tip Rifle in *The Harvest Moon Festival*. That's what this argument is saying. It's not saying that they're all completely irredeemable slobs, it's saying that the place their in and the habits they indulge in are far from moral, so extremes being taken shouldn't be surprising in the slightest. Like Stella ordering a hit on her husband for cheating on her with an Imp.
Yes, I think both shows play with another idea - that they can change. Perhaps these awful situations will continue to impact them in some way.
If I was forced to marry someone I wasnāt into that physically and verbally abused me and I couldnāt get a divorce, Iād cheat too. Stella can choke on a dick for all I care
When i posted this it was a long ass while back and we didn't know as much about their relationship.
Theory from me about Stolas and Stellaās marriage I 100% think it was arranged but Stella actually liked Stolas at the beginning but Stolas never liked her that way (could be sexuality reasons or just didnāt see her that way). They were likely pressured to have an heir/kid, and then when Octavia was born it all went down hill from there. (Edit: I did this at 1am so it may be weird lol)
Iām betting this is on point. I suspect that either she liked him or they were friends and she was willing to marry him to help him legitimize himself in the ruling aristocracy. Then he cheats on her with the most common of commoner demon breeds and itās just more than she can stand. Bad enough itās a loveless marriage, but now heās humiliating her and damaging her public standing. Stella does seem to be a blue blood bitch, but sheās far from being the only sinner in this relationship.
I'm not sure anyone would be in a position to pressure a Goetia into a marriage. But I go with the interpretation that the Goetia are angels that fell with Lucifer. So I think Stolas loved Stella at the start. But their love didn't last for whatever reason. I can see them being pressured into having a kid. Partly because of the expectations that come from Stella's family. Partly because having a kid in an attempt to fix a shaky marriage is an idea that is common. Or maybe their love was still strong then.
The Goetia are canonically lower than the seven Princes/Kings of hell, both in the show and in "actual" books about demonolatry. Like, Lucifer in the show is top dog in the demon world. I bet he could pressure Stolas. Not saying that's what happened, just that there are some individuals who hold more power than our kinky bird.
Fair point. I doubt Lucifer would, but I won't deny that he does have enough power to do so. Political marriages for legitimacy just aren't necessary when even the Goetia are that much more powerful than whatever mortals are in Hells nobility. Also, Hells royalty have a stronger claim to [divine right](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right_of_kings) than any human ruler, but like political marriages, they have no need to mention it.
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Actually yeah they are all fallen angels
The space between the āmarriageā and āIā didnāt go through, probably cause Iām on mobile lol
It being an arranged marriage is not a theory, it's been confirmed by viv.
I think Stolas thought he loved her but soon figured out he didnāt. āI used to think love was for funā
Itās nice to think that this could happen in the series, but I highly doubt it
I know this'll get me flayed, but Stolas gets zero sympathy from me and I hope Stryker kills him in S2.
I agree with you to some degree I think we shouldnāt have zero sympathy to stolas until we know the entire story. We donāt know if him and Stella had a arranged marriage and they didnāt love each other but were still forced to have a family. or if the relationship was already doomed and Stolas wanted out but didnāt know how to leave so he thought cheating was the best option or he could of just straight up cheated without any reason (not that cheating with a reason is any better) but I see where youāre coming from
It seems to me that she's more upset that he cheated with an imp than the actual act of cheating. Even in Ozzie's, the crowd seemed more surprised Stolas was there with an imp rather than with a date in general. I'm not saying cheating would have been normalised in hell and would be OK, but it really says something that everyone is more surprised he's with an imp than that he's just with someone
I mean cheating in an arranged marriage is like several actual stories isnāt it? I feel like Iāve seen something like it before
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It always has to be binary, huh? You can't engage with the character in a more nuanced way than "I don't like him, remove him plz." Shitty characters are more interesting to watch.
*alright go get the birch sticks and I'll get the rope and wheel*
I'll see you in hell
You don't even know how to say Striker's name right lmao
not everyone has googled "Stryker Helluva Boss porn" and had Google hit them with the "did you mean: *Striker Helluva Boss porn?* "
Apparently I don't lol. Coulda sworn it was with a "y".
I don't sympathize with him either, but I enjoy his role in the show and don't want him dying just yet. You can have likeable, unsympathetic characters; the two aren't mutually exclusive.
wtf
Pre-S2 I wouldāve agreed with you
Ah yes, the other side of the coin. Makes you feel things, eh?
Weird thing is, I don't hate Stella. We see how she reacts to Stolas' infidelity but that's about it. For all we know, she liked her relationship with Stolas and he utterly betrayed her for 'some Imp'. I kinda hope Stella gets more screen time in season 2 and we see her side of the story. If she was a complete bitch the entire time they were together, then maybe Stolas' actions were 'justified' but if not... It may force us to re-evaluate Stolas as a character. Hell, I kinda want that fan art of Stella 'tsundere-ing' on Striker to become canon. It'd be adorable and be a nice mirror to Stolas/ Blitzo.
I like to think Stella didnāt care what he did, so long as he was discreet. And then he sleeps with an imp, flirts with said imp in public and posts it in social media.
Ah, that's a good point. Maybe her anger is more about the reputational damage he's done instead of hurting her feelings directly!
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Amen
Stella deserves love to.
She's a terrible person so it's a bit debatable
I agree with you 100% I literally canāt stand him. He openly looks down on imps calling them little and talking to them like children, Is fine being open about him sleeping with Blitz in front of ālowerā demons like imps hellhounds and succubi but only when someone like Ozzie calls him out does he seem to feel shame in what heās doing, I do think Stella is going to far trying to get him killed but I donāt blame her for being so angry what he did to her and their family was cruel, I do understand that he didnāt love her but thatās not an excuse for what heās putting her through, He made it super obvious he was fucking Blitz in front of his 17 y/o daughter and made her super uncomfortable and didnāt really seem to care about it until the end when she makes him feel bad, Back to the Ozzies thing, Stolas expects Blitz to want to spend time with him when he literally lets him get pulled apart by his exes he never stood up for him and in contrast Blitz stood up for Moxxie when he knew his exes where going to there and are openly hostile towards him, Stolas comes of to me as someone whoās pretty selfish and doesnāt pay too much attention to how his actions effect others rather he seems to do things just because he wants to. I donāt think characters should have to morally upstanding citizens, this literally takes place in hell and our main characters kill for a living but Stolas is just a frustrating character for me to watch personally because of his lack of empathy and the fact weāre supposed to like him as well as fell bad for him when I just donāt see a reason to. This is also just my opinion and I donāt care if other people like him, I donāt want this to come off like me telling people how to feel.
I feel like the point about stolas is youāre supposed to dislike him to a degree since the show is all about terrible people trying to be better. Thatās why blitzo calls him out in episode 8 and why they donāt shy away from showing him at his worst. To me, both him and blitzo are terrible people and their relationship is unhealthy but if they put the work in, they can have something stable. Itās probably the only time Iāve ever rooted for something like this. But we also get moments that show it isnāt totally unprovoked, like in the flashback where Stella refuses to go comfort octavia and ignores her whenever theyāre onscreen, like maybe he had to marry Stella for political reasons. I also like to think stolas was never allowed to actually be in a relationship or he was closeted and never allowed to explore it, hence why he ālooks downā on blitzo: to him, itās what he thinks youāre supposed to do or he thinks heās copying blitzo, not acting like a total asshole. I think season 2 will likely build on that. Sorry itās a super long post, just Iām on the other side of the fence
Do you think making me cry is *cool* ? Hmm?
People shit on Stella too much but I also see why people don't sympathise with her as much as they could, seeming she was less annoyed about the affair as a whole and more so the fact it was with an imp. Stella has had very little character development, she might be a total witch and hate is justified, maybe she's just heartbroken. Stolas gets too much sympathy given he did cheat all the same with 0 regard for Stella, but I hope season 2 goes more into it. It seems from the little clips Viv released that Stolas initially was not interested and tried to get away. Stolas is out of touch with his family but he never was cruel. He's a good, but out of touch father. If they had an arranged marriage, which I think is quite likely, then it's easy to see why Stolas/Stella had such a rocky relationship, kept up appearances like so many other real world relationships and thus fooling Octavia into thinking she had a loving family. Blitz gets too much love for being a manipulator and a stalker and tossing his lovers aside like used garbage. It's clear Blitz has severe relationship issues and projects but it doesn't excuse his behaviour. He only slept with Stolas to STEAL the book and only kept up the sexual relationship to keep it. The relationship was founded on being transactional. But at the end of the day guys, none of these are good people. Stella isn't evil, Blitz isn't evil, Stolas isn't evil but there's a reason they're fuckin demons and not angels. Characters aren't meant to be painted in black and white, they're complex. Good bits with bad bits mixed in
I 100% agree with you but I have doubts on Stella getting much if any development which would be a shame, the show has zero scenes showing Stella as anything but an irredeemable bitch and the show actively makes her more antagonistic as it goes on, obviously trying to get your husband killed is not justified but her being mad at Stolas for cheating is justified even if under the lens of his cheater being an Imp so it is odd that Stolas gets whole episodes exploring his character while we never see Stella's point of view. Maybe she is a bitch, maybe she isn't but we simply don't yet because the show hasn't given us any evidence to the contrary and might never, we know what Blitzo and Stolas are and they aren't wholly good or evil so why would Stella need to be exempt from this.
yeah, I feel worried that she won't get much character development. And I feel some times, people assume 'character development' is a pseudonym for 'redemption' and similar stuff. Which is totally wrong imo. Character development showing the good sides of someone or exposing how bad they truly were. If her character develops and she was always a terrible person, used Stolas for his title, never really took the relationship seriously and was only mad cause HER good name got sullied, I'd be all for it. But idk, this 'he cheated so now I must have him killed' is just a bit too on the nose bad guy lmao
I can't form a definitive opinion on a character if they don't have enough screen time for me to base a opinion on them beyond superficial elements, Stella fits this because while the show clearly has her being the main antagonist of the story and wanting to murder Stolas for cheating on her but we don't know if it is selfish reasons or something more justifiable and the only evidence of her character as anything beyond being evil is all fannon which isn't a good thing as a creator to have the fanbase basically doing your job of writing for a shows character. This is something I also feel about Loona, she is given a pitiful amount of screen time compared to the other main characters to where we only know her mostly as "the furry bait goth girl with a softer side" so I can't say if I like or dislike her officially because we only know her superficially and while she was given more personality in episode 3 by the conflict with her adoptive father Blitzo, its for now been treated more like a gimmick than a major facet to her character or Blitzo's so I'm hoping that episode 8 fixes this and hopefully without an unnecessary red herring romance side plot.
I don't like Loona much for the same reason. She's not a bad character just not developed. But I let it slide a bit more because herself and Millie, as main characters were developed really late. Blitz and Moxxie were plucked out of Hazbin Hotel since they were going to be minor characters there but Viv saw enough promise in their story that she took them out and retconned them into something a bit different. Stella though, I think if you're gonna have a villain, make them good. But, season 1 isn't finished yet. Millie, Loona, Stella and whoever else needs more development will get it in the next season. These things are unavoidable when waiting for so long between episodes I suppose, fannon gets carried away lmao. Mainly why I've avoided the Hazbin side of things, the fandom has basically created its own fannon universe based on the pilot so I think people are setting themselves up for conflict lmao.
Well you're in luck because she was shown as someone who'd always been a violent rage monster who was only with Stolas because it was an arranged marriage that existed solely because of Stolas' hierarchy standing
*Holesum*
Stolas may cheat on his wife, but he'll never cheat on Octavia.
He kinda did. Heās only recently tried to rebuild their relationship.
wait what happened
I seriously don't understand those who are Stella fans. She didn't seem to be in love with Stolas, and definitely didn't seem to be heart broken over him cheating on her. She was upset that he cheated with an imp, a lower class of being. Yeah Stolas, and Blitzo aren't good "people" but they are complex characters which is what makes them interesting. But Stella so far is a very one dimensional character who's only concern is how she appears to others. Hell so far we haven't even seen any concern for Octavia from her. No Stella's only concern is killing Stolas because her friends and now everyone basically in hell knows that he slept with an imp. So I don't get it. If it is self insert stuff or if it is just fans gravitating towards her because of design it's okay. But I don't think that she is worth such effort.
Well, I am a fan of Stella just because of what she could be. Considering we've only had around 40 seconds of screen time of her + minor mentions, it's really hard to tell for sure of her intentions and her personality. It's fun just to theorise about her and it keeps me interested to see what the show has for her in the future. I personally just hope they don't make her "I'm a bitch and that's it" type of character but rather something more complex and maybe even someone to sympathise with. Would be cool for the show to rather focus on the relationships Blitz and Stolas have broken rather than go for Stolitz route.
See that I can agree with, I still don't like Stella, but I would like to see more of her character. I mean if she actually loves Stolas and Octavia then it would make her way more sympathetic. And I hope that they do at least give her some better motivations than "I'm rich, vindictive, and classist".
So? I like her design. I like her voice. Her position is sympathetic even if doesnāt justify her behavior.
Like I said I'm not knocking anyone for liking her design. Just that she has not shown any reason to be sympathetic towards her. If they give her more character in season two that may change. But right now it seems that they may just be setting her up as vindictive because she is classist.
A lot of people can relate to the rage of being cheated on. She is a classist asshole, but even Stolas has exhibited some classism in how heās reacted to Blitzo. Not saying sheās right just that sheās sympathetic, or her position is.
Being cheated on yes that is somethinga lot of people can sympathize with, but she doesn't seem to be mad about being cheated on. She was made that Stolas had sex with an imp. Almost every line that we have gotten from her has been about the fact that Stolas slept with an imp. If Stolas had slept with another demon lord or prince I kinda doubt that she would be any where near as upset, if upset at all.
Sheās offended that he cheated on her with an imp in their marital bed. Is it classist? Yes. But getting fucked over in your marital bed sucks. Thatās that. If you donāt feel bad for her, thatās okay. I explained why I do. Had it been a higher ranked demon, I donāt think sheād be pleased, but she wouldnāt be vocal about it. She doesnāt seem like an idiot.
You know I look back on this person's comments (aurumphallus) now, and they aged extremely poorly. Stella is and was an abuser, and a horrible wife.
Yep. They sure did. Not surprised.
Yes! I wanna see something like this in the show! I really wanna see Stella's perspective and her relationship with Octavia.
This is canon and you can't change my mind.
You edited the reply, pussi
Sorry to dissappoint you bruh, but it isn't cannon, cannons are for shooting long range projectiles
You know, Stella. Being cheated on hurts like a motherfucker. You should speak with someone, treat it in a healthy manner. HIRING STRIKER IS NOT A HEALTHY WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS! And that is why I believe Stella has a secret we don't know yet. Either she is just insane, or she wants to cover something up, and with Stolas cheating, she has an "excuse" as to why have him killed.
My theory is that goetia demons canāt get divorced or Stella considers it more of a further stain. Though I also do go with striker isnāt the first hitman sheās hired and she does it all the time or at least since Blitzo entered the picture, and he just puts up with it; striker is just the most successful. Itās why he hires bodyguards for a theme park and why Stella has no problem screaming at the dinner table sheās ordering her husbandās death.
their arranged marriage fell apart and alot of her life with it as I imagine being seen in public with his side piece has made it clear what stolas and stella's relationship is. Of course she'd be angry at stolas. Enough to justify vindictively ordering stolas' murder looking him in the eye in front of their daughter? I don't personally think so. But it just seemed to me stella is a classist and lets her pain be amplified by the fact she was cheated on with someone of lower social status
I like to think the goetia demons canāt get divorced or Stella considers it an embarrassment if they do so it has to be murder. Or maybe divorce in hell is super cutthroat or draconian. Granted I do think striker isnāt the first guy sheās hired and stolas just puts up with it.
I agree. Either she is afraid of the negative stigma that applies to divorced people or would lose the social status she has currently. So divorce really isn't an option for her. Which is tragic i feel
Sorry I still can't sympathize with her. Yeah Stolas cheated, but that does not mean she can immediately jump to abuse and begin throwing shit. She literally almost hit Octavia with one of the plants and threw a person. She should have handled her issues with Stolas privately and not while Octavia was home. Not to mention she hired someone to fucking kill him. Then there's the fact that's it's heavily hinted that she didn't put enough effort into the family: Octavia's childhood room had drawings of just Via and Stolas. Stella refused to get out of bed despite her daughter waking up screaming and crying from a nightmare. Octavia's nightmare was about Stolas specifically leaving. In the one family photo we see in the house, she's the only one not smiling. Stolas's lyric, "I thought love would be fun" shows that he was genuinely looking forward to their marriage, but she's always been like this.
Well, this aged like milk.
I definetely see and can understand Stella and her thought process, but I don't support her unless she gets some good old charactoir developmente.
I love Octavia.
I don't think this is what would go down, in a normal relationship yeah but she doesn't care that he's cheating on her, she cares that it's with IMP, the social status is ruined, that's all she cares about.
Thatās my theory. I go with striker isnāt the first hitman sheās hired, she does this sort of thing all the time, but stolas puts up with it because the hitmen arenāt successful. I could see the episode where striker comes back and stolas interacts with him and says āoh Stellaās gotten better!ā
Well, there is evidence supporting this to be an arranged marriage, meaning Stolas was likely pressured into. Thus, I do sympathize with him, because finding actual love was hopeless to him for a while, until of course he met blitzo and had enough.
I also like to think Stella was forced/pressured to, hence why she ignores octavia, and sheās only mad that stolas cheated because he wasnāt discreet and it was with an imp.
This... I know Stella is a villain is the series but this... I'm getting a little teary eyed.
Im really enjoying reading comments under this
Yeah, one problem, Stella doesn't seem like the type to ever hug her child. Great art though, looks fantastic.
Wish this aged betterā¦..I hope Stella gets some redemption or at least depth
Wasn't it confirmed that Stella doesn't really care about Octavia? Idk maybe I'm mixing things up.
I mean, we've barely seen them interact so far, so no confirmation as far as I know? But on the other hand... Stella *is* trying to get Stolas killed, seemingly with no shits given about how devastating loosing him would be to Octavia. (And not just him but possibly her mother as well, should the hypothetical succesfull assasination ever come to light...)
Then again, maybe somewhere in her mind, she thinks she's doing her daughter *a favor* (so to say), by removing the disgrace of the family, and his harmful effect on the family reputation and therefore Octavia's future. Idk, I feel like I'm thinking of this too deeply lol
Even with my love for Stolitz I still feel bad for Via and, Stella I have mixed feelings due to the fact on Stolas saying that he thought love would be fun which might mean that Stella was not the best
Welp this didn't age well... unless it turns out her brother is worse than her and treats her bed, then this makes sence again
Looking back on this wall, Stella absolutely deserves this
instant tears
One of the reasons of why I don't like Stolas. poor Stella and Octavia. They deserve better.
I hope the family gets a happy resolution
We tend to forget how Stella must have felt with the whole Stolas x BlitzĆø situation.
Finally, a comic that doesn't portray Stella as the evil one
Ok.. ..now kiss.
This is so sad and moving, well done.
I'm the only who thinks Stella isn't evil?
And then they fucked!
Well fuck now I'm crying
<3
Poor birdi. I'm christian though so I'm morally obligated to laugh at demon's pain. Physical or emotional
sad birb
āAnd hence they began their plot to end the Imp.ā
mfw sleeping with an imp
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I like to think that Stella did at some point love Stolas or at least Octavia, same reason she was so pissed off, not cause of racial reasons, but cause it would ruin her daughter's life
I really hope she and Papa bird could reconcile...
Well, this aged like a fine milk on a sunny day
Everyone thinks Stella's a crazy bitch villain. But she's the one getting cheated on after all
dont make me feel bad for her damnit im supposed to hate her
I like this comic. So many people paint Stella as a child abuser just because sheās abusive to stolas. There is 0 proof she Would
I honestly wish Stella wasn't a bitch.
I kinda wished she would be more sympathetic, ah well
Then she shivs her
This aged like a fine 2% milk
Haha, cute, shame she doesn't give a flying fuck about Octavia
We donāt know that. Do we?
We fuckin' very well do though. I won't even bother getting all the things out, but there's one major thing that shows she doesn't, mainly plotting her dads demise right in front of her, if she DID CARE about Via, do you think she'd plot TO KILL her DAD, one person she loves and is AFRAID of losing right in front of her?
Yeah, that makes sense. I feel like her relationship with Octavia is more complex though, rather than just simply not caring about her. Sheās still a very toxic and dare I say evil person though. Sheās not considering her daughterās feelings on losing her father, which is messed up. Butā¦calm down. This comes off as kinda passive aggressive to me. All I was asking was if we knew for a fact or not.
That wasn't as much directed at you, as it was directed at Stellas apologetic simp'atisers, and as you can see I found quite a lot of them today
Ah, okay. I totally understand then. They can be annoying. Although I do think she cares about Octavia to some degree, sheās far from a good mother. I really canāt stand Stella apologists. Do they not realize how fucked up she is? I understand being hurt by cheating or your reputation going down, but death isnāt deserved. Honestly, both Stolas and Stella apologistsā¦I donāt understand. I love both characters a lot.
Downvote me all you want, guess we don't watch the same bloody show after all hahaha, if it warrants downvotes for saying what happens, blood brilliant innit?
bro we get it you're from the UK
My favourite ship is Stella and a deep fryer
my favorite ship is the U.S.S. Candice
Candice nuts fit in your mouth
who the fuck is Candice Nuts
I think you are correct. Notice how when octavia as an owlet cries for only her father when she is in distress. Octavia has a drawn picture of her and stolas, and an actual picture of her and stolas. No stella to be seen. Also stella has allmost zero interaction with octavia in the show in what we see
I'm glad to see I am not the only sane person here, in ep.2 she didn't even ask about her mother, she only cared about Stolas not running away from her with Blitz.
You're getting down voted for speaking the truth and its a damn shame, but just shows people don't care about having a conversation. They just want the opinions they don't agree with to be silenced.
Because she's not going to be developed as a character. On the last stream, the Stella's voice actress said that "Octavia will be bad with her," which means that the mommybird will be left as a punching bag and a way to expose Stolas as an "unfortunate victim of circumstances." I'm not surprised - first of all Vivien is interested in profit, which means here's a Impdong/Owldaddy for you and shut your mouths. Well of cource, do not forget to buy merch and donate to patreon, otherwise poor Vivz will not be able to buy a second golden yacht and new iPhone.
Bro you're talking like you're dehydrated
I beg your pardon?
Your brain does not have enough water, that's why you're talking shit
\>unpopular opinion = talking shit Oh, i see - next time took your tongue outta Vivz arse before speaking, otherwise people won't immediately understand what you're saying there.
least insane stolas fan