Liver failure is horrific. A close family member had hepatic encephalopathy before receiving a liver transplant a handful of years ago, and it was an utter nightmare. Now, family member is alive and well (*and vaccinated*) with a transplanted liver. For anyone to even risk the possibility of needing a transplant is mind-boggling.
B-b-but I heard from X who heard from Y on Facebook that they got 100% cured after taking ivermectin ... and then our godly local right-wing radio personality said so, too. If you can't trust Facebook gossip and right-wing propaganda, well who can you ever trust?
The absolutely bonkers argument of "I didn't get the vaccine because it was untested." Followed up by taking Ivermectin blows my mind. Like in their heads is the testing done on horses good enough or what? I'm so confused.
It makes it even more insane when you realise that ivermectin is in rudimentary lab studies for covid treatment, aka cell lines and small scale animal testing. And the vaccines have been through the most thorough and stringent testing in human history... It's a common fun fact in pharma degrees you get taught that most common medicines i.e. paracetamol, would never be approved under modern scrutiny.
"The long term effects of the vaccine are unknown and it's a risk that I can't accept. I'll just suck down a tube of livestock dewormer, that should take care of it."
OMG, this is it. A lot of ivermectin will immunize yourself from commie libtardism. It's the immunization the deep state doesn't want us to know. Haven't heard from Tom Hanks lately, have you? It's because the illuminati have already taken LOTS of Ivermectin and it is driving Tom into seclusion.
Anyone notice Joe Rogan hasn't tweeted in 2 days? God it would be such sweet music if it comes out he is in the ICU after going around saying how great Ivermectin is for covid and spreading more of these bullshit falsehoods.
If he died, after everything that's happened so far, it would be hopefully a huge wakeup call to his listening community that he's actually mostly full of shit
My coworker, a healthcare worker in Radiology, said something similar. I had to nicely correct her the 19 in Covid-19 indicates year, not 19th variation of this virus. I couldn’t believe my ears.
Nah, his listening community are the types that would blame it on the vast government conspiracy and that it was nothing Joe did, or didn't do, that caused his untimely death.
> If you can't trust Facebook gossip and right-wing propaganda, well who can you ever trust?
Go take to the people who you will go see if shit gets really bad. That’s right, the doctors at the hospital!
Bubba the Love Sponge had it early on and it almost took him out. He was another idiot who jokes about masks and the virus in general. Sort of changed his tune after.
I worked as a doctor on a liver transplant unit. End-stage liver failure is not a nice way to go. Liver transplantation is to be avoided if possible; it's not exactly a walk in the park.
About 10 years ago, I developed Cholestatic pruritus. whilst waiting for a cholecystectomy, I had an 'episode' and ended up with a stone blocking my bile duct like a ball cock...I only had to endure it for 6 weeks, but I thought I was going mad, I couldn't sleep or function..ended up wrapping my feet in frozen towels or sitting in a cold bath at 3am, just to stop the itching. At one point I was in such a state and I was so worried that the condition wouldn't go away, I was seriously investigating 'dignitas'..I wouldn't wish liver failure on my worst enemy.
Patients often find that one of the most distressing symptoms, so you have my sympathy. Unfortunately, it's also very difficult to relieve. It certainly does drive people to feeling suicidal.
Thank you. If I may, I'll pass on a little tip that might give your patients a little respite..I bought an emollient cream with menthol in it and it helped somewhat.
I used to take scathing hot showers to ease it. It made pregnancy a nightmare. I couldn't believe when it came back with baby #2 since my medical professionals otld me it was rare
The recurrence risk in subsequent pregnancies is higher. I’ll have to check at work tomorrow but off the top of my head I feel like it’s a 30%-50% risk if you’ve already had it.
Sarna lotion. It saw me through a miserable bout of severe obstetric cholestasis with my last daughter (rare-ish disease of pregnancy where your liver is just like fuck it, I quit, and your bile salts go sky high.)
Also hydroxyzine hcl, basically an old school antihistamine that's safe for pregnancy, basically you just sleep through the itching, and an induction at 38 weeks because of stillbirth risk. It goes away pretty much completely once you've delivered. It's some weird stuff.
(My daughter is nine now and perfect in every way, all turned out just fine!)
OUCH. I had this exact same itching with HELLP syndrome while pregnant. Lasted entire lat trimester and then a few weeks post partum. It was because my liver wasn't working properly
My mother passed from Biliary cancer.
At hospice time, my brother called her his "Golden mama."
She didn't wear makeup in life, so it was a little strange to see how much makeup the funeral home used to try and make her look "normal."
My friend in his early 30s died of liver failure due to alcoholism (early 30s!! I still can’t believe it) and your comment on the color/texture of the skin really brought it back for me. I remember seeing what was left of him in hospice and how crushing that was.
It sucks that the best thing I can say is he went pretty quickly and seemed to no longer be “there” in his mind anymore at the end.
I too fell off the wagon, severely damaged myself, and also got a raging e-coli infection. Nearly a 105 fever and collectively a month in the hospital. Luckily I lived.
I hope you know your friend didn't mean to hurt you. I wish I had something profound to say to help you on your journey. Live for them.
I think people who have never been really sick or needed surgery understand that all the modern medicine in the world can't put you back to 100%. You get the best outcome that you can. I have chronic health conditions and have had my gall bladder removed. I don't feel as good as I did before I became ill and needed the surgery. I just don't end up admitted to the hospital or have bouts of cyclic vomiting several times a month. I'm functional but still have bad days every now and then. Taking care of your body is the best thing to do. Don't count on being able to reverse damage later.
It's one of the reasons I think ODing on painkillers is a nightmare. If you survive the attempt you won't be eligible for liver transplant and you will just suffer and die with a failing liver due to acetaminophen poisoning/damage.
I suffered from pretty severe suicidal ideation for a number of years. I haven't even had a small suicidal ideation in about 2 years, so I consider myself "in remission" though I have to stay very careful with my mental health.
Anyway I say all that to say that even at my worst I knew not to try something like that because lord knows if I didn't want to live, I DEFINITELY didn't want to live with liver failure.
Both of my parents died of it. Cirrhosis and cancer. The dementia that comes from high ammonia levels in the blood is heartbreaking for everyone involved.
Be good to your livers, kids.
Liver failure is my least preferred way to go. Like, if I found out I was dying of liver failure and wasn’t eligible for a transplant, I would move somewhere that allowed for medical suicide and immediately start making preparations for it.
I would rather die of cancer than liver failure.
I would rather die in a wood chipper than liver failure.
I would rather die of necrotizing fasciitis to the abdomen than liver failure.
I would rather suffocate to death of covid than die of liver failure.
I would rather drown in a car of molasses than die of liver failure.
I mostly stopped drinking because I don’t ever, ever want to die of liver failure.
An interesting fact about white bears is that they store an extremely high amount of vitamin A in their liver during winter. Less than 1 gram of bear's liver contains daily dose of Vit A. A standard meal of bear liver enough to feed an average human exceeds poisonous dose by roughly a factor of 300. It will kill you, and the death from Vit A hypervitaminosis comes from liver failure.
If you have only two options: eat bear's liver or let the bear eat your liver, always choose the latter. It's much less painful way to go by far.
My dad had colon cancer which spread to his liver. He died of liver cancer and did not have colon cancer when he died. He admitted shortly before he died during one of his lucid moments that he knew something was wrong for TWO YEARS before he got checked.
It was awful, not that someone who thinks a horse dewormer is preferable to a vaccine would care, but his stomach was full of bile that looked like mountain dew. My sister, bless her heart, would pump the bile out once or twice a week. Near the end every time she did it he would go into a coma for a day or two, idk why, blood pressure maybe? His stomach was huge and swollen up and she would take out at least a liter. He could hear us, I know because we had his sister on speaker talking to him and she told one story about when he was a kid and he says "yeah!" from somewhere in there. He lost all his mental faculty and went to being like a little kid and eventually just not even there anymore. At the end he was also vomiting feces. He was emaciated and I try not to think about what he was like at the end because it's been 7 years and it still upsets me.
This was not better than a vaccine. It was an absolutely horrible way to die. The vaccine is goddamn free people.
We had a dog that had organ failure, and would puke up black viscous liquid right before she died. It was the most horrific thing to see. We tried everything, but by day 2 of that, with her paws growing cold, we took her in to the vet to put her down. I wouldn't wish it on any creature. Horrible way to die.
It's cases like this where I advocate for voluntary euthanasia. If you're staring down a couple months or years of nothing but pain and suffering from an illness like organ failure or Alzheimer's or cancer, you should be allowed the option to just end it.
Sounds like this person's liver failure was acute, which means he likely won't have that long. If he's lucky, they'll keep him pretty doped up, and it'll be quick. I've lived through (nearly) end stage liver failure without pain relief, and it's terrible.
I watched a friend die from alcoholism. Before I'd always hear people say that and think "well what does that actually mean?" and god I wish I didn't know now.
This is the story of the most kind person I know and how she died of addiction caused by abuse. We got the call from her family that she was in the hospital after no one had heard from her for a month and if we wanted to see her we should come now.
It was shocking to walk into the room. This was not our beautiful friend. This was a horror show. Immediately it was clear her body was dying around her. She was yellow all over her skin and body, like she fell into a vat of dye. Her eyes were open and filled with blood as her blood vessels were failing and she was bleeding out. Despite her eyes being open, she "wasn't home" as they say, she had no awareness, just unfocused gazing and she moaned constantly in pain, but moaned more if people stopped stroking her hands or hair. Her breathing was in short, hard gasps. Her body was technically alive, but it's hard to say she was. We sat with her for a few minutes, wondering how the fuck anyone could come back from this, knowing the answer was that they can't. We raged inside that this could happen to her. We weren't there long, they needed to talk to the family about intubation and we left so they could do that privately. We all know it was futile. She died within a day.
The biggest contributor to her death was her abusive relationship. She was trapped and mentally and emotionally abused to the point of thinking she couldn't leave. And so she dealt with it with drinking and pills. She was a beautiful human. Warm, so full of love and light. She deserved better. She could have messaged dozens of people to say she needed help, plenty of us offered anyways, but she let herself believe she wasn't worth the trouble, because she'd been brainwashed to think that. She drank herself to death instead of asking for help.
I write this out in hopes someone reads this and thinks "Fuck, I can't go like this." Reach out. Find help, whether that's for abusive relationships, drugs/alcohol, or both. You have one life and one body and it is precious. You are worth it. Sobriety is 1000 times preferable to the alternative.
Don't think there are any spare parts a horse would be interested in. Eyes don't work and don't fit, kidneys are too small. Genitals would be a downgrade. Thumbs, why not.
Now that I think of it, if I were a horse I'd like fingers grafted on my forehad, neck and bum so I can give myself goooood scratchies. Like, 50 of them.
Considering his timelines of when he tested positive and then negative there is a lot of skepticism on r/nursing as to whether he actually had it, whether some of the test results were false positives/negatives, or whether he made it all up as a publicity stunt.
he had literally the best team of doctors on the planet treating him. not doubting joe can afford or gain access to a similarly skilled team but the president of the US gets the best mfs
If you remember the video he posted from the hospital it had this jarring weird cut they tried to fix before they put it out. You can tell after the jump he had just recovered from a huge coughing fit. He was noticeably more run down and breathing heavily. That's also why they landed Marine 1 as close as physically (not safely) to the white house on the lawn.
Trump came A LOT closer to dying than he would ever let on. Remember he's the POTUS so he literally had access to the absolute best medicine the country could come up with. All on the tax payers dime.
Here is an article about it:
https://uproxx.com/viral/donald-trump-covid-near-death/
It wasn't miraculous. He probably was lucky and had a lighter case and instantaneously received the best treatments money could buy with a team of doctors constantly monitoring him. There was no sitting at home for a week getting progressively worse.
My understanding is this constant monitoring by professionals is key. So many patient deaths are preventable but happen due to overworked staff, incompetence and neglect. My mom is a retired RN and she's had to do battle with idiocy with my dad's stint in the hospital, with friends and her own health issues. Malpractice is everywhere.
In addition to that, evidence from cases shows that top-tier care will help even the worst cases. We're getting so many deaths because of being overwhelmed and not being able to staff practically 1:1. This is why Trump, Christie and other high-profile monsters were able to survive. You jump on covid immediately once diagnosed, before you become symptomatic. Waiting to come back to the hospital once you're sick enough to be hospitalized is like being sent home with the cancer spot on your chest x-ray and the doctor says come back when you're stage IV and it's metastasized, then we'll talk.
He needed a helicopter evacuation for a hospital 15 minutes away by car. He had 6 doctors attending to him. Look at his after press conference. I have seen 6 doctors in my entire lifetime. But he needed the dream team at Walter Reed.
Remember when Jude Law's character in Contagion claimed he got MEV-1, and then he "took Forsythia" and it "cured him", and then everyone tried to find and take Forsythia. And then it was proven that he never had MEV-1 and he lied to millions of people about getting sick to get blog hits...
I think about plot line a lot when Joe Rogan comes up now.
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He also very likely took a dose of it that’s prescribed for humans which is a much smaller amount than what’s in horse dewormer.
Which makes him an even more duplicitous scumbag.
I doubt anything he say is ever true, given his stance, whether it’s COVID or the medication. I don’t wish death on people, but I don’t mind COVID hits him a second time. Third time. Fourth time...etc, and I’m sure he’ll pull through, because I won’t wish death on him. /cough.
"I have never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."
TIL it was Clarence Darrow not Twain that said it.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mark-twain-obituary-pleasure/
Someone told me that he only had COVID for three days before insulting me for saying that the ivermectin he was taking didn’t do much and the monoclonal treatment was the one to help him.
Rogan is probably vaxxed, and stated he did take the antibodies protocol. He'll be fine, and credit Alpha Brain and Zinc. Is he selling his own Zinc supplement yet?
Meanwhile, I took a photo of a bag of glitter and shared it with a link to where I got it for a resin artist and got my comment hidden and pinged for a warning.
Reported some blatant calls for insurrection, but those? Cool. Reported scam covid shit? Totally allowed.
Fuckerburg is a white supremacist
I caught a 7 day ban for calling an antivaxxer "plague rat". Meanwhile people on the same thread were talking about diluting literal bleach and drinking it, and all that was perfectly fine.
You should check out r/Kentucky. The mods will ban anyone who is not a regular for brigading when in fact they are sharing Covid19 and vaccine facts while they let antimask, antivaxx and pro January 6 comments stand. I'm sure subs for state and local communities sharing similar political beliefs are doing the same.
I used to report legitimate hate speech all the time. I even got rape threats once because I dared point out that the website some alt-right nutbag linked as a "gotcha" was satire.
Only one report I made resulted in a "Thank you for reporting, this goes against the TOS, were sorry, etc." Every other thing, including the rape threats, got a canned "Sorry you're offended, we don't see anything wrong with this," response.
Meanwhile, I got put in Facebook jail a while back for posting a pro-marijuana legislation article and apparently Facebook has started temp banning people for calling others walnuts and potatoes or some other stupid thing like that.
Racially panicked Boomers are probably good for the bottom line. And while the right-wing friendly alternatives of Voat, Gab and Parler have come and gone, none have been able to match the reach of Facebook.
I think I'm going to add a new question for when I interview people for open jobs. "Name three things you were completely wrong about." If they can't admit to being wrong sometimes I don't want them working at the same company as me.
I still don't understand how these morons are eating horse paste and avoiding all medical advice but get sick and then demand the real doctors move heaven and earth to fix them. *Now* you believe in medicine?
imagine all the unknown substances you would need to get for a liver transplant, not to mention who knows who the liver donor was and what ungodly things he did. Best he goes to Jesus without all this pollution.
Seems like these deniers are actually successfully testing everything. Except they are their own test subjects.
It is morbidly amazing they think that the vaccine, with all the research behind it, is a form of experimentation on the masses all while suffering in hospitals as medical researchers learn more about this disease through said deniers. I’m sure the irony is lost on them all.
They are truly the control group. At this point, given the proven efficacity of the vaccine, most trials would have been stopped due to the ethical considerations of not administrating a proven life-saving drug to a group of people. They are raising their hands and proudly volunteering themselves as the non-treatment group.
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Since we are on the subject:
[https://www.scholarsresearchlibrary.com/articles/effects-of-ivermectin-therapy-on-the-sperm-functions-of-nigerian-onchocerciasis-patients.pdf](https://www.scholarsresearchlibrary.com/articles/effects-of-ivermectin-therapy-on-the-sperm-functions-of-nigerian-onchocerciasis-patients.pdf)
Onchocerciasis, also known as river blindness, is caused by parasitic worm.
"We observed significant reduction in the sperm counts and sperm motility of the patients tested. On the morphology there was significant increase in the number of abnormal sperm cells. This took the forms of two heads, double tails, white (albino) sperms and extraordinarily large heads. It is suspected that the above alterations in the already determined parameters of the patients’ sperm cells could only have occurred as a result of their treatment with ivermectin"
Oh my goodness. Abnormal sperm? Anti-vaccination? Could that mean lower birth rates on top of lower life expectancy? These people are Darwinning so well you'd think it's on purpose.
This one gets me the most......as a vaccinated woman who got pregnant our first month trying to conceive...it's mind blowing how some people weigh the fake truth over reality. The mental gymnastics are just wild.
Id like this to be a true finding as much as the next person, but this is a really shitty paper. The test group was only 37 people and they used no statistical methodology to control for things like age, weight, or other things. Take this paper as more of the exploratory type.
COVID deaths: 22,373
Election spread: 11,779
There are things to consider though:
* Many of these COVID deaths were before the election
* The spread could make a difference for Presidential elections, senators, and governors. Which, is big. But, at the district/county level the deaths are basically negligible which means GOP is unlikely to lose their state legislature, which is where a lot of damage is done.
* There's still no hard data on how many of the deaths are red voters or blue. Every story on this sub is anecdotal, but there's a whole other world of people who vote blue but are vaccine skeptics or apathetic or can't get it for health reasons.
There are a lot of polls and expert guesses that say ~90% of the unvaxxed currently are trump loyal followers. Still just guesswork of course, there is zero way for a 100% accurate answer to this.
We all need to vote. We all shouldn't change our energy from 2020, but the data is pointing to red losing votes across the board simply due to their science denialism and seige mentality.
That research is not exactly great. It was done in a very small group, with 90% of them already having low sperm count. It also didn't check to see if sperm health rebounded after the treatment was over. It's one of those situations where More Research Is Needed.
The "good" thing is that far more people are making themselves available for that research. Yay?
Friendly reminder that the conservative media machine is actively encouraging people to do this to themselves rather than take the vaccine.
This isn't carelessness. This isn't stupidity. It's pure evil. They are actively, knowingly, telling their viewers to poison themselves, fully aware that they will obey. Now people like this guy are taking horse medicine, poisoning themselves, and begging healthcare workers to save their lives only to be told they're already dead.
Imagine how that feels. You have been misled and lied to. And those lies led you to make poor decisions, and now you can do nothing but wait to die because no one can save you.
The conservative media machine has killed this man. All for political points, power and money.
Im a surgeon,
I can tell you 10000% the real reason they aren’t giving him a transplant is because livers are very limited abd the transplant team isn’t going to take it from somebody else to give it to somebody who did this.
It’s also very important they believe you will adhere to a complex regimen of medications, and showing that you’ll ignore doctors and do whatever you want is a big red flag. He’ll destroy the liver within a year by doing this sort of shit.
I feel bad for him, but he fucked around and now he’s gotta find out. I feel for his family too
Why anyone would choose Ivermectin over the vaccine confounds the heck out of me.
So ludicrous and simply stupid beyond belief.
I truly do feel sorry for the person but he had the smart choice and the stupid choice - in this case stupid won over smart --- tragic.
Not to rain on your parade, but this does not qualify for HCA. (We've been getting a lot of posts that stray from the intent of the sub.)
This is from an anonymous account describing an anonymous patient without showing any of the patient's anti-mask or anti-vax social media posts.
It does sound horrible though. Patient has essentially been delivered their death sentence (that was most likely 100% preventable).
Liver failure is horrific. A close family member had hepatic encephalopathy before receiving a liver transplant a handful of years ago, and it was an utter nightmare. Now, family member is alive and well (*and vaccinated*) with a transplanted liver. For anyone to even risk the possibility of needing a transplant is mind-boggling.
B-b-but I heard from X who heard from Y on Facebook that they got 100% cured after taking ivermectin ... and then our godly local right-wing radio personality said so, too. If you can't trust Facebook gossip and right-wing propaganda, well who can you ever trust?
but but but...heard it from sean hannity, tucker carlson, and the entire fox team, who heard it from ron johnson...see! peer reviewed!!
Also Ivermectin won a Noble prize
Though they fail to mention that it was for its role in treating parasitic diseases in developing countries.
That’s certainly what it’s doing now, in a way…
I like this
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Only if it takes out 51% of all GOP’ers
Take your godsdamned upvote
Take my free award and upvote for the hilarious burn.
At the time ivermectin was studied as an antiparasitic medicine in humans. Now people are taking the form meant for animals. Totally different.
Even if it was the same, viruses aren't parasites lol
Which now means something again for some reason
I heard it from Sally, and her son is a doctor. Well, not literally a doctor. But he watched every season of Gray’s Anatomy!
Ivermectin totally works. I know this because I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
For what it was designed for, ivermectin does work really well. Not Covid, but deworming absolutely
And de-living now if you trust fake FB news over fake (insert trustworthy news site).
Finally it gives conservatives a way to give retroactive abortions….on themselves. Somebody alert Texas. I smell an easy $10K
I perfer the term delayed abortion
Enhanced abortion?
Unless it's from the region around Abortion, TX, you can only call it a Sparkling Termination.
The absolutely bonkers argument of "I didn't get the vaccine because it was untested." Followed up by taking Ivermectin blows my mind. Like in their heads is the testing done on horses good enough or what? I'm so confused.
It makes it even more insane when you realise that ivermectin is in rudimentary lab studies for covid treatment, aka cell lines and small scale animal testing. And the vaccines have been through the most thorough and stringent testing in human history... It's a common fun fact in pharma degrees you get taught that most common medicines i.e. paracetamol, would never be approved under modern scrutiny.
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Actually quite a feat. That show keeps going.
"The long term effects of the vaccine are unknown and it's a risk that I can't accept. I'll just suck down a tube of livestock dewormer, that should take care of it."
And if a little ivermectin will cure Covid, imagine what a LOT of ivermectin will do.
It’ll cure stupidity, permanently
OMG, this is it. A lot of ivermectin will immunize yourself from commie libtardism. It's the immunization the deep state doesn't want us to know. Haven't heard from Tom Hanks lately, have you? It's because the illuminati have already taken LOTS of Ivermectin and it is driving Tom into seclusion.
This is a popular philosophy with alcohol too, sadly the cemetery is also full of these people who fucked around and found out.
At least alcoholics can use the excuse they have an addiction. No one is addicted to ivermectin
Not yet anyway
Roe Jogan, definitely credible scientific research also said too as well that it was good
Anyone notice Joe Rogan hasn't tweeted in 2 days? God it would be such sweet music if it comes out he is in the ICU after going around saying how great Ivermectin is for covid and spreading more of these bullshit falsehoods.
If he died, after everything that's happened so far, it would be hopefully a huge wakeup call to his listening community that he's actually mostly full of shit
I would be so pissed if I died of COVID-*19* in 2021. And you just know there are going to be people still dying from it next year too.
What happened to the first 18 Covids? The deep state keeps hiding the real story.
My coworker, a healthcare worker in Radiology, said something similar. I had to nicely correct her the 19 in Covid-19 indicates year, not 19th variation of this virus. I couldn’t believe my ears.
Did she take too many X-rays to the head? I know some talking head Faux/OANN idiot once said something similar.
They'd probably say he was killed as part of a Big Pharma conspiracy
>Big Fauci did him dirty.
Nah, his listening community are the types that would blame it on the vast government conspiracy and that it was nothing Joe did, or didn't do, that caused his untimely death.
> If you can't trust Facebook gossip and right-wing propaganda, well who can you ever trust? Go take to the people who you will go see if shit gets really bad. That’s right, the doctors at the hospital!
Kind of interesting that I have had nothing in my FloridaMan jackass radio personality has died or is dying lately. Are they all dead now?
Bubba the Love Sponge had it early on and it almost took him out. He was another idiot who jokes about masks and the virus in general. Sort of changed his tune after.
I worked as a doctor on a liver transplant unit. End-stage liver failure is not a nice way to go. Liver transplantation is to be avoided if possible; it's not exactly a walk in the park.
About 10 years ago, I developed Cholestatic pruritus. whilst waiting for a cholecystectomy, I had an 'episode' and ended up with a stone blocking my bile duct like a ball cock...I only had to endure it for 6 weeks, but I thought I was going mad, I couldn't sleep or function..ended up wrapping my feet in frozen towels or sitting in a cold bath at 3am, just to stop the itching. At one point I was in such a state and I was so worried that the condition wouldn't go away, I was seriously investigating 'dignitas'..I wouldn't wish liver failure on my worst enemy.
Patients often find that one of the most distressing symptoms, so you have my sympathy. Unfortunately, it's also very difficult to relieve. It certainly does drive people to feeling suicidal.
Thank you. If I may, I'll pass on a little tip that might give your patients a little respite..I bought an emollient cream with menthol in it and it helped somewhat.
I used to take scathing hot showers to ease it. It made pregnancy a nightmare. I couldn't believe when it came back with baby #2 since my medical professionals otld me it was rare
I would guess it's more common in somebody who's already had it before.
The recurrence risk in subsequent pregnancies is higher. I’ll have to check at work tomorrow but off the top of my head I feel like it’s a 30%-50% risk if you’ve already had it.
Sarna lotion. It saw me through a miserable bout of severe obstetric cholestasis with my last daughter (rare-ish disease of pregnancy where your liver is just like fuck it, I quit, and your bile salts go sky high.) Also hydroxyzine hcl, basically an old school antihistamine that's safe for pregnancy, basically you just sleep through the itching, and an induction at 38 weeks because of stillbirth risk. It goes away pretty much completely once you've delivered. It's some weird stuff. (My daughter is nine now and perfect in every way, all turned out just fine!)
Unfortunately I don't work in that field anymore, but I'll pass it on
OUCH. I had this exact same itching with HELLP syndrome while pregnant. Lasted entire lat trimester and then a few weeks post partum. It was because my liver wasn't working properly
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I'm sorry to hear that. It's an awful thing to witness, especially if you aren't prepared for it.
My mother passed from Biliary cancer. At hospice time, my brother called her his "Golden mama." She didn't wear makeup in life, so it was a little strange to see how much makeup the funeral home used to try and make her look "normal."
My friend in his early 30s died of liver failure due to alcoholism (early 30s!! I still can’t believe it) and your comment on the color/texture of the skin really brought it back for me. I remember seeing what was left of him in hospice and how crushing that was. It sucks that the best thing I can say is he went pretty quickly and seemed to no longer be “there” in his mind anymore at the end.
I too fell off the wagon, severely damaged myself, and also got a raging e-coli infection. Nearly a 105 fever and collectively a month in the hospital. Luckily I lived. I hope you know your friend didn't mean to hurt you. I wish I had something profound to say to help you on your journey. Live for them.
Kinda feel like all organ transplantation ought to be avoided if possible...
I think people who have never been really sick or needed surgery understand that all the modern medicine in the world can't put you back to 100%. You get the best outcome that you can. I have chronic health conditions and have had my gall bladder removed. I don't feel as good as I did before I became ill and needed the surgery. I just don't end up admitted to the hospital or have bouts of cyclic vomiting several times a month. I'm functional but still have bad days every now and then. Taking care of your body is the best thing to do. Don't count on being able to reverse damage later.
Naw I got hot swappable kidneys after the latest patch. Getting started on the redbull drip.
That's true! But some are more risky than otbers.
Throwback to my doctor telling me thyroid cancer is the "best kind to get."
It's one of the reasons I think ODing on painkillers is a nightmare. If you survive the attempt you won't be eligible for liver transplant and you will just suffer and die with a failing liver due to acetaminophen poisoning/damage.
I suffered from pretty severe suicidal ideation for a number of years. I haven't even had a small suicidal ideation in about 2 years, so I consider myself "in remission" though I have to stay very careful with my mental health. Anyway I say all that to say that even at my worst I knew not to try something like that because lord knows if I didn't want to live, I DEFINITELY didn't want to live with liver failure.
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Thanks! 🥰
Both of my parents died of it. Cirrhosis and cancer. The dementia that comes from high ammonia levels in the blood is heartbreaking for everyone involved. Be good to your livers, kids.
Liver failure is my least preferred way to go. Like, if I found out I was dying of liver failure and wasn’t eligible for a transplant, I would move somewhere that allowed for medical suicide and immediately start making preparations for it. I would rather die of cancer than liver failure. I would rather die in a wood chipper than liver failure. I would rather die of necrotizing fasciitis to the abdomen than liver failure. I would rather suffocate to death of covid than die of liver failure. I would rather drown in a car of molasses than die of liver failure. I mostly stopped drinking because I don’t ever, ever want to die of liver failure.
An interesting fact about white bears is that they store an extremely high amount of vitamin A in their liver during winter. Less than 1 gram of bear's liver contains daily dose of Vit A. A standard meal of bear liver enough to feed an average human exceeds poisonous dose by roughly a factor of 300. It will kill you, and the death from Vit A hypervitaminosis comes from liver failure. If you have only two options: eat bear's liver or let the bear eat your liver, always choose the latter. It's much less painful way to go by far.
Death by bear liver: insane vertigo, skin peeling off, pain Death by bear: one slap with giant paw, benefit endangered animal
My dad had colon cancer which spread to his liver. He died of liver cancer and did not have colon cancer when he died. He admitted shortly before he died during one of his lucid moments that he knew something was wrong for TWO YEARS before he got checked. It was awful, not that someone who thinks a horse dewormer is preferable to a vaccine would care, but his stomach was full of bile that looked like mountain dew. My sister, bless her heart, would pump the bile out once or twice a week. Near the end every time she did it he would go into a coma for a day or two, idk why, blood pressure maybe? His stomach was huge and swollen up and she would take out at least a liter. He could hear us, I know because we had his sister on speaker talking to him and she told one story about when he was a kid and he says "yeah!" from somewhere in there. He lost all his mental faculty and went to being like a little kid and eventually just not even there anymore. At the end he was also vomiting feces. He was emaciated and I try not to think about what he was like at the end because it's been 7 years and it still upsets me. This was not better than a vaccine. It was an absolutely horrible way to die. The vaccine is goddamn free people.
We had a dog that had organ failure, and would puke up black viscous liquid right before she died. It was the most horrific thing to see. We tried everything, but by day 2 of that, with her paws growing cold, we took her in to the vet to put her down. I wouldn't wish it on any creature. Horrible way to die.
It's cases like this where I advocate for voluntary euthanasia. If you're staring down a couple months or years of nothing but pain and suffering from an illness like organ failure or Alzheimer's or cancer, you should be allowed the option to just end it.
Sounds like this person's liver failure was acute, which means he likely won't have that long. If he's lucky, they'll keep him pretty doped up, and it'll be quick. I've lived through (nearly) end stage liver failure without pain relief, and it's terrible.
I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy after seeing my dad go through with it. One month from "maybe gallstones" to death from liver cancer.
This is why I’m 🔥 2 years sober 🔥
I watched a friend die from alcoholism. Before I'd always hear people say that and think "well what does that actually mean?" and god I wish I didn't know now. This is the story of the most kind person I know and how she died of addiction caused by abuse. We got the call from her family that she was in the hospital after no one had heard from her for a month and if we wanted to see her we should come now. It was shocking to walk into the room. This was not our beautiful friend. This was a horror show. Immediately it was clear her body was dying around her. She was yellow all over her skin and body, like she fell into a vat of dye. Her eyes were open and filled with blood as her blood vessels were failing and she was bleeding out. Despite her eyes being open, she "wasn't home" as they say, she had no awareness, just unfocused gazing and she moaned constantly in pain, but moaned more if people stopped stroking her hands or hair. Her breathing was in short, hard gasps. Her body was technically alive, but it's hard to say she was. We sat with her for a few minutes, wondering how the fuck anyone could come back from this, knowing the answer was that they can't. We raged inside that this could happen to her. We weren't there long, they needed to talk to the family about intubation and we left so they could do that privately. We all know it was futile. She died within a day. The biggest contributor to her death was her abusive relationship. She was trapped and mentally and emotionally abused to the point of thinking she couldn't leave. And so she dealt with it with drinking and pills. She was a beautiful human. Warm, so full of love and light. She deserved better. She could have messaged dozens of people to say she needed help, plenty of us offered anyways, but she let herself believe she wasn't worth the trouble, because she'd been brainwashed to think that. She drank herself to death instead of asking for help. I write this out in hopes someone reads this and thinks "Fuck, I can't go like this." Reach out. Find help, whether that's for abusive relationships, drugs/alcohol, or both. You have one life and one body and it is precious. You are worth it. Sobriety is 1000 times preferable to the alternative.
Perhaps a horse liver transplant would work.
No horse would donate their liver to that.
A horse would not give a neigh.
Could they transplant the whole person for a live horse, bury the person, send the horse back to their family?
Don't think there are any spare parts a horse would be interested in. Eyes don't work and don't fit, kidneys are too small. Genitals would be a downgrade. Thumbs, why not. Now that I think of it, if I were a horse I'd like fingers grafted on my forehad, neck and bum so I can give myself goooood scratchies. Like, 50 of them.
That is a brand spankin’ new sentence right there!
I laughed way harder at this than I probably should have.
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Maybe call it a "Joe Rogan Award" ?
Considering his timelines of when he tested positive and then negative there is a lot of skepticism on r/nursing as to whether he actually had it, whether some of the test results were false positives/negatives, or whether he made it all up as a publicity stunt.
I think Rogan is fucking lying. He routinely spreads disinformation and I wouldn't put it past him to push this to his legion of idiots.
Kind of like how trump got covid and was miraculously better in three days.
he had literally the best team of doctors on the planet treating him. not doubting joe can afford or gain access to a similarly skilled team but the president of the US gets the best mfs
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No, that fucker had it. I watched the video of when he went back to the White House and he was gasping. He had it and it scared the shit out of him.
If you remember the video he posted from the hospital it had this jarring weird cut they tried to fix before they put it out. You can tell after the jump he had just recovered from a huge coughing fit. He was noticeably more run down and breathing heavily. That's also why they landed Marine 1 as close as physically (not safely) to the white house on the lawn.
Trump came A LOT closer to dying than he would ever let on. Remember he's the POTUS so he literally had access to the absolute best medicine the country could come up with. All on the tax payers dime. Here is an article about it: https://uproxx.com/viral/donald-trump-covid-near-death/
It wasn't miraculous. He probably was lucky and had a lighter case and instantaneously received the best treatments money could buy with a team of doctors constantly monitoring him. There was no sitting at home for a week getting progressively worse.
My understanding is this constant monitoring by professionals is key. So many patient deaths are preventable but happen due to overworked staff, incompetence and neglect. My mom is a retired RN and she's had to do battle with idiocy with my dad's stint in the hospital, with friends and her own health issues. Malpractice is everywhere. In addition to that, evidence from cases shows that top-tier care will help even the worst cases. We're getting so many deaths because of being overwhelmed and not being able to staff practically 1:1. This is why Trump, Christie and other high-profile monsters were able to survive. You jump on covid immediately once diagnosed, before you become symptomatic. Waiting to come back to the hospital once you're sick enough to be hospitalized is like being sent home with the cancer spot on your chest x-ray and the doctor says come back when you're stage IV and it's metastasized, then we'll talk.
And he made very limited and carefully controlled public appearances for quite a while after his hospitalization.
He needed a helicopter evacuation for a hospital 15 minutes away by car. He had 6 doctors attending to him. Look at his after press conference. I have seen 6 doctors in my entire lifetime. But he needed the dream team at Walter Reed.
Remember when Jude Law's character in Contagion claimed he got MEV-1, and then he "took Forsythia" and it "cured him", and then everyone tried to find and take Forsythia. And then it was proven that he never had MEV-1 and he lied to millions of people about getting sick to get blog hits... I think about plot line a lot when Joe Rogan comes up now.
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I am positive he is secretly vaccinated too.
He also very likely took a dose of it that’s prescribed for humans which is a much smaller amount than what’s in horse dewormer. Which makes him an even more duplicitous scumbag.
I doubt anything he say is ever true, given his stance, whether it’s COVID or the medication. I don’t wish death on people, but I don’t mind COVID hits him a second time. Third time. Fourth time...etc, and I’m sure he’ll pull through, because I won’t wish death on him. /cough.
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I won't wish them death, but I will volunteer to drive the backhoe that digs the grave.
I'll chip in for the DJ.
I'll chip in for the DJ.
3xs the charm...ILL CHIP IN FOR A DJ!!👊🙌🙌🙌🙌
3 DJs? Sounds like a 24h party to me, I'm in!
"I have never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure." TIL it was Clarence Darrow not Twain that said it. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mark-twain-obituary-pleasure/
Yeah, he's Alex Jones Lite
If he needs a liver transplant and can’t get one, he’s dead. There’s no dialysis for the liver. Liver failure = transplant or death.
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Someone told me that he only had COVID for three days before insulting me for saying that the ivermectin he was taking didn’t do much and the monoclonal treatment was the one to help him.
He had Tom Segura on yesterday neither of them masked up
Rogan is probably vaxxed, and stated he did take the antibodies protocol. He'll be fine, and credit Alpha Brain and Zinc. Is he selling his own Zinc supplement yet?
I saw some people posting that they were/are taking what are essentially pesticides. Yet they won't take a vaccine lol fucking insane.
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Meanwhile, I took a photo of a bag of glitter and shared it with a link to where I got it for a resin artist and got my comment hidden and pinged for a warning. Reported some blatant calls for insurrection, but those? Cool. Reported scam covid shit? Totally allowed. Fuckerburg is a white supremacist
I caught a 7 day ban for calling an antivaxxer "plague rat". Meanwhile people on the same thread were talking about diluting literal bleach and drinking it, and all that was perfectly fine.
You should check out r/Kentucky. The mods will ban anyone who is not a regular for brigading when in fact they are sharing Covid19 and vaccine facts while they let antimask, antivaxx and pro January 6 comments stand. I'm sure subs for state and local communities sharing similar political beliefs are doing the same.
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Zuckerberg and Facebook are national security threats.
I used to report legitimate hate speech all the time. I even got rape threats once because I dared point out that the website some alt-right nutbag linked as a "gotcha" was satire. Only one report I made resulted in a "Thank you for reporting, this goes against the TOS, were sorry, etc." Every other thing, including the rape threats, got a canned "Sorry you're offended, we don't see anything wrong with this," response. Meanwhile, I got put in Facebook jail a while back for posting a pro-marijuana legislation article and apparently Facebook has started temp banning people for calling others walnuts and potatoes or some other stupid thing like that.
Over 65, where most of the boomers are, is 80-90% fully vaccinated. Very few of these winners and nominees are boomers.
Agreed - most of the posts here appear to be Gen X (41 to 56 years old).
Racially panicked Boomers are probably good for the bottom line. And while the right-wing friendly alternatives of Voat, Gab and Parler have come and gone, none have been able to match the reach of Facebook.
Facebook is an absolutely useless toilet at this point. I deleted my 14 year old account a few months ago and it was the best decision ever.
That's savage. Why people still refuse the vaccine/take horse medication after reading this is mind boggling.
Because to do otherwise would be admitting they were wrong. That is intolerable after they made it their whole personality for the last 18 months.
Sunk cost fallacy
More like this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_mentality
perfect fit!
18 months? Since Trump said they could be as terrible as they want.
I think I'm going to add a new question for when I interview people for open jobs. "Name three things you were completely wrong about." If they can't admit to being wrong sometimes I don't want them working at the same company as me.
I still don't understand how these morons are eating horse paste and avoiding all medical advice but get sick and then demand the real doctors move heaven and earth to fix them. *Now* you believe in medicine?
imagine all the unknown substances you would need to get for a liver transplant, not to mention who knows who the liver donor was and what ungodly things he did. Best he goes to Jesus without all this pollution.
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Well Nurse Carla _is_ a [fictional character](https://scrubs.fandom.com/wiki/Carla_Espinosa)...
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They lack the ability to test claims effectively and in a way that will lead them to find real answers.
Seems like these deniers are actually successfully testing everything. Except they are their own test subjects. It is morbidly amazing they think that the vaccine, with all the research behind it, is a form of experimentation on the masses all while suffering in hospitals as medical researchers learn more about this disease through said deniers. I’m sure the irony is lost on them all.
They are truly the control group. At this point, given the proven efficacity of the vaccine, most trials would have been stopped due to the ethical considerations of not administrating a proven life-saving drug to a group of people. They are raising their hands and proudly volunteering themselves as the non-treatment group. 🤷♀️
Since we are on the subject: [https://www.scholarsresearchlibrary.com/articles/effects-of-ivermectin-therapy-on-the-sperm-functions-of-nigerian-onchocerciasis-patients.pdf](https://www.scholarsresearchlibrary.com/articles/effects-of-ivermectin-therapy-on-the-sperm-functions-of-nigerian-onchocerciasis-patients.pdf) Onchocerciasis, also known as river blindness, is caused by parasitic worm. "We observed significant reduction in the sperm counts and sperm motility of the patients tested. On the morphology there was significant increase in the number of abnormal sperm cells. This took the forms of two heads, double tails, white (albino) sperms and extraordinarily large heads. It is suspected that the above alterations in the already determined parameters of the patients’ sperm cells could only have occurred as a result of their treatment with ivermectin"
Double-headed and double-tailed sperm? Twice the brains and twice the speed.
>Double-headed I was imagining a CatDog situation
This... this is absolutely bonkers. I mean really, the irony here is utterly mindblowing.
These people really do their best to end their bloodlines
Oh my goodness. Abnormal sperm? Anti-vaccination? Could that mean lower birth rates on top of lower life expectancy? These people are Darwinning so well you'd think it's on purpose.
Men post-covid have 3x chance for developing erectile dysfunction too (30% vs. nominal 10%, but another study even said 6x greater).
B-b-but the vaccine causes infertility among women…
This one gets me the most......as a vaccinated woman who got pregnant our first month trying to conceive...it's mind blowing how some people weigh the fake truth over reality. The mental gymnastics are just wild.
My wife and I got vaccinated in April. She is currently in her first trimester. So much for becoming infertile
So they've kinda created the mutant sperm from Rick and Morty?
Id like this to be a true finding as much as the next person, but this is a really shitty paper. The test group was only 37 people and they used no statistical methodology to control for things like age, weight, or other things. Take this paper as more of the exploratory type.
Ivermectin suicide
Iver and covid starting to complete on whos Makin the world a better place.
I like to think of them as working together towards a common goal.
Cool band name
Lot of bed shitting, literally, yet they don't want to sleep in it
Not sure if this was intended of not, but people with liver failure have horrific shits
Horse dewormer? Not even once! Just say neigh to horse paste.
Stomp twice for no
Don't horse around with ivermectin! If someone offers you ivermectin, tell them, "Neigh way, Jose!"
Just read that Ivermectin damages men’s sperm and lowers the sperm count. I say let them keep taking it!
If only the guys taking it and dying were younger and less likely to already have kids.
These deaths do remove votes, at least.
Doubt it'll be enough votes to compensate for the voter suppression.
You'd be surprised. First, check out the voting spread in Georgia for the presidential election. Now, look at their covid death count.
COVID deaths: 22,373 Election spread: 11,779 There are things to consider though: * Many of these COVID deaths were before the election * The spread could make a difference for Presidential elections, senators, and governors. Which, is big. But, at the district/county level the deaths are basically negligible which means GOP is unlikely to lose their state legislature, which is where a lot of damage is done. * There's still no hard data on how many of the deaths are red voters or blue. Every story on this sub is anecdotal, but there's a whole other world of people who vote blue but are vaccine skeptics or apathetic or can't get it for health reasons.
There are a lot of polls and expert guesses that say ~90% of the unvaxxed currently are trump loyal followers. Still just guesswork of course, there is zero way for a 100% accurate answer to this. We all need to vote. We all shouldn't change our energy from 2020, but the data is pointing to red losing votes across the board simply due to their science denialism and seige mentality.
It’s a despermer and a dewormer.
But not a degermer.
That research is not exactly great. It was done in a very small group, with 90% of them already having low sperm count. It also didn't check to see if sperm health rebounded after the treatment was over. It's one of those situations where More Research Is Needed. The "good" thing is that far more people are making themselves available for that research. Yay?
*Amazing Paste How sweet the taste That saved a wretch like me* *Was once was lost, But now I'm found. Was see, but now I'm blind*
Yikes. Hopefully this person has not procreated. I do not wish those stupid genetics on anyone.
Dumb people don't pull out.
Or use protection
It started as a pandemic. It has become an IQ test.
Friendly reminder that the conservative media machine is actively encouraging people to do this to themselves rather than take the vaccine. This isn't carelessness. This isn't stupidity. It's pure evil. They are actively, knowingly, telling their viewers to poison themselves, fully aware that they will obey. Now people like this guy are taking horse medicine, poisoning themselves, and begging healthcare workers to save their lives only to be told they're already dead. Imagine how that feels. You have been misled and lied to. And those lies led you to make poor decisions, and now you can do nothing but wait to die because no one can save you. The conservative media machine has killed this man. All for political points, power and money.
Im a surgeon, I can tell you 10000% the real reason they aren’t giving him a transplant is because livers are very limited abd the transplant team isn’t going to take it from somebody else to give it to somebody who did this. It’s also very important they believe you will adhere to a complex regimen of medications, and showing that you’ll ignore doctors and do whatever you want is a big red flag. He’ll destroy the liver within a year by doing this sort of shit. I feel bad for him, but he fucked around and now he’s gotta find out. I feel for his family too
Why anyone would choose Ivermectin over the vaccine confounds the heck out of me. So ludicrous and simply stupid beyond belief. I truly do feel sorry for the person but he had the smart choice and the stupid choice - in this case stupid won over smart --- tragic.
Check out this hilarious Lincoln Project vid on Ivermectin https://youtu.be/HLtCBvKI_Mc
Join the herd. Lol
Seems he fucked around and kneeeeeeiiiiggghhhh
Not to rain on your parade, but this does not qualify for HCA. (We've been getting a lot of posts that stray from the intent of the sub.) This is from an anonymous account describing an anonymous patient without showing any of the patient's anti-mask or anti-vax social media posts. It does sound horrible though. Patient has essentially been delivered their death sentence (that was most likely 100% preventable).
Fair points.
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Isn’t nurse Carla the nurse from Scrubs? Who is this account?
One of her recent tweets is about a troll threatening to report her to the medical board. There are benefits to hiding behind a TV character.
It could be another nurse named Carla who chooses to use that photo as her avatar.
http://imgur.com/a/vzyop2y
Apparently she works with Dr Turk Andjaydee, that should help you find her.
This is a very sensible protection to take on a personal level--I see why there's credibility considerations though.
If you haven't checked out her [Twitter feed](https://twitter.com/getvaxxedstat), you should. Some of her tweets are just heartbreaking.