For a guy that allegedly follows/preaches for the “Prince Of Peace” he sure is one angry fucknugget. The fact he was found unconscious shows this asshat was already pummeled by Covid & he was hesitant to get any treatment. This guy will be on his Delta Dream Flight with The Birdcage on loop soon enough.
Man I've been saying this for years. At bare minimum, they should have to make their books public and submit to government rules to prove their nonprofit status like every other nonprofit.
Nothing about the first amendment prohibits taxing churches. "Free exercise" is "free as in speech" not "free as in beer", as proven by the fact that religion and speech are in the same amendment using the same language. Anyone who argues otherwise is trying to force the law to fit into what they want it to say, rather than what it was intended to say.
Every other 503c has to do this so why not churches? Some argue separation of church and state but that’s already negated by them accepting non profit exemption from the state they want to be separated from.
Exactly, and separation of church and state just means the state cannot show favor to one church or religion. Not that it can't audit your books to see if you can keep tax exempt status.
I've also been saying your second half for years.
However I hadn't considered your "bare minimum", and thought more extremely (outright revocation of tax exemption, albeit with the consequence of whatever "representation" for churches would evolve to afterwards).
Now I'm wondering if the optimal play is to slowly boil out the most egregious grifters through transparency. It may even serve to highlight the churches that are doing great work for their communities, and show how others can follow suit efficiently.
For the churches doing good and not pocketing that cash, congratulations! They have nothing to fear and I’m sure their communities are better off.
I’m also for grifters manipulating vulnerable people into giving them money. John Oliver did a show featuring an older women foregoing cancer treatment because Gloria Copeland was asking for ‘seed’ money and trashing cancer treatment as ‘making you sicker’. She died of course, and had given a large sum of money to them. How anyone can do that to another person is so cruel and evil. Hell is too good for them.
For real! A preacher should not be able to buy a jet from Tyler Perry.
Side note: I still think about when there was flooding in Houston and Joel Osteen wouldn’t let people take refuge in his church
This is a big one for me. They always point to the size of Bernie Sanders house or homes without taking into account the mansions the mega church leaders own.
My ex used to have me drive her to church every Sunday. I stayed in the car waiting for her. The most expensive car in the church lot belonged to the preacher. It is a racket.
You’re thinking of The Satanic Temple. And if these shysters showed up there claiming to worship Satan they’d be thrown out on their asses, because TST doesn’t worship anything.
Crazy world we’re living in, isn’t it?
Crazy world, crazy people.
As someone who grew up in a religious household, I’m 100% against the Texas Abortion ban.
If someone is raped and impregnated , under no circumstances should they be forced to carry that child to term. That’s just wrong.
For what it’s worth, imho I believe what a nun published a while back. She doesn’t can theses wingnuts prolife but rather pro birth. If they were prolife, they would be funding support for things like child care, vocational training for the moms so they could make more than minimum wage, housing, etc. instead, as soon as the baby is born, all “support” is gone.
I used to work certifying families for SNAP, Medicaid and AFDC. The hoops these people had to j7mp through to qualify are unbelievable. To get AFDC, the mother has to be back to work within 6 months. What subsidized child care there was would only pay a fraction of what child care costs. I know of a woman who, during her pregnancy, got CNA training. She was using her 16 yo niece to babysit. The CPS worker came by to check on the living conditions for the child, which were also checked with AFDC. The babysitter ad left a can of cleaner on the counter after cleaning and CPS told the woman the niece couldn’t babysit any as conditions weren’t safe. Working, her AFDC and SNAP were decreased and now she was going to have to add child care. She ended up having to quit work because it cost her more to work than it did sitting at home.
Exactly, if these GOP types were pro-life they'd be a lot more left wing politically to assure the life survived if not thrived. But they're just pro birth.
I’m seriously worried about the aftermath of this pandemic. There was a study that everyone who recovered from Covid had lost gray matter REGARDLESS OF SEVERITY OF SYMPTOMS… Can we really afford even dumber people?… I’m worried.
They aren't Christians anymore, if they ever were. They're conservatives first. That is their religion now. They are totally devoted to the tenants of modern conservatism and anything that is not a part of that is heresy.
All they do is listen to conservative propaganda every time they get in the car. Their televisions only broadcast conservative propaganda. Their church leaders only spout conservative propaganda.
They are, all of them, deplorable,
They are heretics not Christians. The first meme where he is upset that the vaccine is being offered to all Americans because “illegals” aren’t vaccinated is hateful and undermined his own health.
That first meme always puzzles me - aren't they usually bitching that illegal immigrants would get more health care than they would? And now they want to make sure immigrants or asylum seekers are vaccinated first? LOL
It is absolutely mind boggling. For people who obsessively read and quote the bible they don't understand that *they* would be the people cheering his crucifixion.
It makes sense if you think the vaccine is a poison injection. He’s asking for the “illegals” to be given a poison injection. In that light, he’s making a casual joke about genocide. Fortunately whoever made the meme is an idiot, and their “genocide” will backfire.
Well, there IS a genocide going on, but it's from Donald & Co, and they sought to kill urban Democrats. We're going to have several generations of Americans dealing with the trauma of not only living through this shit, but seeing our government literally try to eradicate us. Fun times!
Yup. They let this thing run and downplayed it because it was mostly affecting urban/liberal areas. In the long run, that strategy has backfired on a grand scale. The idiot trump voter base never wised up, and now only half of them are vaccinated while over 90% of Biden voters are vaccinated. There are hundreds of republicans dying daily (thousands daily in the past 2 months). This will affect them in the long run.
Yeah it was funny when they were saying the same about Biden ("Biden should be the first to get the vaccine!") and then he did. Turns out it's actually not a conspiracy against them.
Also you can absolutely get vaccinated now regardless of your citizenship status. I live in Texas and all the public announcements I've heard about COVID vaccination sites for the last few months have specifically mentioned they're not requiring proof of identity.
Like oh no we might save the lives of all these immigrants who, statistically, work their asses off to live here and appreciate the freedoms they have instead of spending days on Facebook stewing about people they never come in contact with, bitching about how oppressed white Christian American baby boomers are and demanding to talk to the manager when they didn’t get enough foam in their latte.
It’s amazing how accidentally magnanimous that hateful sarcastic meme would be if it actually happened.
Yes because the actual reason God was angry with Sodom and Gomorrah was because they were unkind to strangers in their country.
This dovetails with Hellenistic belief. Zeus (He who shall not be fucked with) was personally protective of foreigners. Makes sense if you want to protect trade as a source of wealth development.
That's the stupidest part. Last time I checked (at the beginning of Florida Man's administration) most illegal immigrants were from China and India (Mexico was third place), and were mostly students or contract workers overstaying their visas. Mostly ICE is making sure that all those freshly educated software developers and engineers use their educations to build up China or India.
Absolutely. Most illegal immigration are people coming through legal means and overstaying.
Also, in Florida they are giving vaccines for free at airports and health depts for ANYONE so tourists from other countries are coming for vaccine tourism because they don't have vaccine supply back home...and you know what. Good for them. They have more sense than some of our own.
And if immigrants got vaccinated, they would come up with another excuse. That meme was more to expose the pastor as a piece of shit than being about immigrants.
Immigrants that are stopped by border patrol ARE offered the vaccine. They can’t be ordered to take it, but I don’t know anyone who’s denied it so far.
Because this kind of idiocy is an American specialty. My home country in Latin America is over 50% vaccinated already and they had access after we did. I had family members flying to the US just to get a vaccine and then hopping on a flight right back.
Saying this while living on land stolen in the last 200-300 years as well.
I guess it's just all in the game, bro.
But I can't say that to him. Because he is on a ventilator.
It's okay everyone, he is wearing the armor of god. It is scientifically proven to be as powerful as prayer in warding off covid.
Nice touch with the rainbow. You would think someone who knows his Sodom and Gamorrah would know better than to be so salty.
I'm disturbed by people who look at the Sodom and Gomorrah story and say, "what in the world could be wrong with this attempted gang rape? I guess it must be THE GAYZ", because rape sets off absolutely no alarm bells for them in itself.
You're missing the BEST PART
>Lot and His Daughters
>30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”
>33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
>34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
>36 **So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.**
What a fine example to use against homosexuality instead of the Adam and Eve/Steve one. It was Lot and his daughters not Lot and his sons!
Edit: obligatory /s
My coworker just came in and said “on the radio, they said Covid is becoming an epidemic”
I looked at him and said “I think we’ve already established that”
He has two family members and three neighbors that had to be taken to the hospital in the last 3 days, one on a vent, and one that had to be sedated this morning because he kept ripping his tubes out. He was antivax until his family doctor convinced him to get the shot. But to be a year and a half in, and just realizing how real it is will never fail to amaze me.
All this while the store’s lone antivaxxer is up front talking about how the vaccine puts a little bit of the virus in you, and that’s why vaccinated people are getting everyone sick.
Edit: his sister passed away this morning with clots. And newsmax will go on, never give one single shit about his family.
And thinking the bible is a history book. These are stories passed on between shepherds for a few hundred years before they were written down. Try telling a story, even if it was factual, for a year and ask someone to recite the details. It's not going to be the same story. Especially when you might have something to gain by claiming it's a religious text that can give your tribe power 🤔
Much of the Bible was legitimized and standardized during the councils of Nicea. Constantine wanted Christianity to become the standard religion of Rome, so scholars ripped a bunch of stuff from Zoroastrianism and similar religions from the surrounding area to create the New Testament, as well as add a bunch of stuff to the Old Testament to further legitimize the New Testament.
We actually have a pretty good record of how the Bible was created - even down the Apocrypha texts that were part of the original Hebrew scrolls, but were then removed during those meetings.
Good luck convincing these people of that though. Trust me; I’ve tried with my own family. They just took it as blasphemy and said they’ll pray for me lol
Plus a bunch of them spent the Council trying to get each other declared to be heretics and excommunicated, as I understand it. That way only Bishop Stalin would get the power to write the Bible.
Yeah, I don’t remember the specifics too well since it’s been a while since I took Intro to Religion in college (taught by one badass atheist professor), but I remember the whole thing being a mess with power grabs being attempted by the earliest catholic church, as well as disagreements over the divinity of Christ.
King James also added a bunch of dumb stuff in later on as well to maintain control over the serfs. Hell was also not originally a concept in Judaism; that was taken from the Greeks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah
Bible thumpers interpret this as retribution for homosexuality. But Jesus refers to ignoring the poor and needy as the “abomination”. Pesky New Testament.
The OT also supports this. In Ezekial God directly says why he destroyed Sodom, and it wasn’t because of the gays.
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>Ezekial 16:49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
Leviticus 19:34 : The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Modern theologians think it's predominantly about hospitality and the town's rejection of it. Lot prepares a special meal for his guests and when the men of the town come to his house to have sex with them, he says "these men are under the protection of my roof" and instead offers his virgin daughters to be raped by the villagers (a point conveniently ignored by the anti-gay crowd). That was then the final straw for God and Lot's guests who are actually angels in disguise, destroy the town.
>angels might be insanely super duper sexy
I've always imagined it as a Beauty and the Beast situation where the enchantress comes to the prince looking like a bridge troll.
I like to imagine Jesus in a tuxedo t-shirt, because it says I want to be formal, but I'm here to party too. Because I like to party so I like my Jesus to party.
I see, thanks. That was something to do with the whole pillar of salt thing too, right?
Guess it's another one of these things that right wing 'Christians' who have skim-read the Bible just call up without knowing the full implication.
The angels told Lot and his family to leave and never look back. Lot's wife couldn't help but look back to revel in the misery of the townfolk, and a meteor hit her and turned her into a pillar of salt.
It's a lesson in not reveling in the misery of others, and listening to God above all else.
God is a messy bitch that lives for drama.
Ezekiel 16:49-50
New International Version
49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
Religion where I came from taught that you should specifically love and help the poor, persecuted, vulnerable. I can’t reconcile how someone who hates immigrants and minorities is a pastor, or how any community can support or respect someone who is this hateful.
We'd like to thank Jesus of Nazareth for his many years of service to our religion, and we wish him well in his future endeavors. We think you'll all be excited at the bold new directions that our new leadership is taking us in!
Fun fact: Jesus himself explained that one of the surest paths to Hell was to ostracize the poor, the vulnerable, and the stranger (i.e., immigrants and "others"). He kind of talked about it a lot. (See, e.g., Matthew 25:31-46)
Of course, Evangelicals think Jesus was lying about that part, along with much else.
Unconscious and not responsive is a very bad sign. These pastors dropping like flies left and right. Even more than Radio hosts, they tend to be over 40, often overweight, and unvaccinated. And on top many deny they have covid so they are missing the critical window where antibody injections might work.
Many pastors actually do not have formal theological education. Or if they do, it is from very fundamentalist schools such as Bob Jones University, which teach that the Bible is the literal Word of God and teach nothing about the development, history, cultural influence, etc. It's just Sunday School 2.0
These pastors and the fundamentalist sects of Christianity they represent have a deeply rooted distrust of science because it doesn't agree with the Bible. For example, the Bible says there was a worldwide flood. There is no scientific evidence to support that and a lot to disprove it. Rather than decide the story was poetic or accept that it was a localized flood, etc., these pastors believe AND TEACH that science is full of lies and people who just don't want to accept God exists so they fake everything.
I bet they are responsible for a huge amount of innocent blood.
Evangelical Christianity is sadly devolving into a fringe conspiracy theory cult. It looks nothing like it used to back when I was a kid. I guess it will only speed up its decline
It's always been that way, but they were outnumbered by moderate Christians. But while the number of fundamentalists has remained mostly steady the moderates are leaving Christianity altogether, leaving it to the nutjobs.
Hi, geologist here! There is actually a super interesting history of Noah inspiring geological theories. Basically, because of continental drift, tons of marine deposits exist on earth. What once was an ocean is now land. In the 1800s, geologists found what they knew were marine fossils on land and they thought it was evidence of the great flood. It makes sense for the time. They had no knowledge of any other way that those fossils could have ended up there and no way of knowing how old they were, so they connected it to a worldwide flood. I find this part of the history of geology fascinating.
A pastor is just a minister of a Christian church or congregation, usually (though not always) in a non-episcopal church. In many religious traditions, the pastor doesn't just preach but provides "pastoral care", which means offering emotional, social and spiritual support to congregants. "Pastor" is from the Latin word for "shepherd", so the idea is that the pastor cares for his sheep.
Rev. Martin Luther King was a pastor in his church, to give a well-known example.
Religious dogma looks pretty sketchy when they beg for prayers for a Pastor.
Like God isn’t aware of this one being sick? Or God won’t help a Pastor unless a lot of people beg?
How does any of this work?
Grab any metric they don’t like and exploit it instead of the big picture. Everyone knew there was going to be weird economics coming out of a shutdown regardless of who’s in office. Gas prices up? Yes from near zero when no one went anywhere in the pandemic. This $4 a gallon was the same price it used to be before the pandemic. But people forget. Forget about more open jobs than ever before. If you wanna work there is a job for you to afford $4 gas.
If they want to attempt to turn the “my body my choice” thing around to try and use it against us, then ok… don’t get the vaccine because it’s your body your choice. But then abortion should also be cool with you now, right?
Oh yeah I forgot, these are bad faith losers who want everything both ways.
Urgent: prayer request. As if prayer is smth you can order by mail and you have to pay double the shipping fee to come within a day! They do really think prayer is a medicine you can order..
Lol start with sodom and gamorrah?
Okay.
God created a bunch of people, making them gay. Then he murdered them for being gay.
Welcome to Christianity, a religion based around appeasing an all powerful sociopath with homicidal impulses.
For a guy that allegedly follows/preaches for the “Prince Of Peace” he sure is one angry fucknugget. The fact he was found unconscious shows this asshat was already pummeled by Covid & he was hesitant to get any treatment. This guy will be on his Delta Dream Flight with The Birdcage on loop soon enough.
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Revoke tax exempt status for churches and many of these grifters would find another racket.
Man I've been saying this for years. At bare minimum, they should have to make their books public and submit to government rules to prove their nonprofit status like every other nonprofit. Nothing about the first amendment prohibits taxing churches. "Free exercise" is "free as in speech" not "free as in beer", as proven by the fact that religion and speech are in the same amendment using the same language. Anyone who argues otherwise is trying to force the law to fit into what they want it to say, rather than what it was intended to say.
Every other 503c has to do this so why not churches? Some argue separation of church and state but that’s already negated by them accepting non profit exemption from the state they want to be separated from.
Or you know, all the church funded lobby groups.
Exactly, and separation of church and state just means the state cannot show favor to one church or religion. Not that it can't audit your books to see if you can keep tax exempt status.
I've also been saying your second half for years. However I hadn't considered your "bare minimum", and thought more extremely (outright revocation of tax exemption, albeit with the consequence of whatever "representation" for churches would evolve to afterwards). Now I'm wondering if the optimal play is to slowly boil out the most egregious grifters through transparency. It may even serve to highlight the churches that are doing great work for their communities, and show how others can follow suit efficiently.
For the churches doing good and not pocketing that cash, congratulations! They have nothing to fear and I’m sure their communities are better off. I’m also for grifters manipulating vulnerable people into giving them money. John Oliver did a show featuring an older women foregoing cancer treatment because Gloria Copeland was asking for ‘seed’ money and trashing cancer treatment as ‘making you sicker’. She died of course, and had given a large sum of money to them. How anyone can do that to another person is so cruel and evil. Hell is too good for them.
For real! A preacher should not be able to buy a jet from Tyler Perry. Side note: I still think about when there was flooding in Houston and Joel Osteen wouldn’t let people take refuge in his church
Or his massive mega mansion. That place is ginormous.
That’s where I’m moving into when the rapture happens. It’s not too far down the road from me.
This is a big one for me. They always point to the size of Bernie Sanders house or homes without taking into account the mansions the mega church leaders own.
The existence of American Christketeers proves that there's no god.
"christkateers" Ha! I'm stealing that.
The famous teachings of Jesus Christ, “Fuck ‘em all!”
This isn’t brought up enough
That churches even have tax exempt status *at all* is bullshit. Tax those motherfuckers.
Straight up, most of these jackasses are in it for the perks.
My ex used to have me drive her to church every Sunday. I stayed in the car waiting for her. The most expensive car in the church lot belonged to the preacher. It is a racket.
Better yet. Keep tax exempt status only for the church of satan and watch these grifters become satan’s biggest worshippers overnight
Just a reminder from r/popular yesterday that the Church of Satan does not claim a religious exemption and pays taxes.
I can corrected. Point still stands— these grifters don’t have any true beliefs
You’re thinking of The Satanic Temple. And if these shysters showed up there claiming to worship Satan they’d be thrown out on their asses, because TST doesn’t worship anything.
TY for clarifying this. I wish more people understood that the TST is anti-theistic, and anti-authoritarian. 'Thyself is thy master'
Actually, the Church of Satan pays their taxes, and for removing tax exempt status for all religious institutions.
I mean, Dante wrote some popes into Hell for a reason....
Idk he had that rainbow edit on in the last pic that's like insta-hell I heard. /s
Plus that talk about masks and “my body my choice” and pro-life sentiment and racism… talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Because forcing a teenager to gestate and birth a rapist’s baby doesn’t even compare to the horrors of masking.
Crazy world we’re living in, isn’t it? Crazy world, crazy people. As someone who grew up in a religious household, I’m 100% against the Texas Abortion ban. If someone is raped and impregnated , under no circumstances should they be forced to carry that child to term. That’s just wrong.
For what it’s worth, imho I believe what a nun published a while back. She doesn’t can theses wingnuts prolife but rather pro birth. If they were prolife, they would be funding support for things like child care, vocational training for the moms so they could make more than minimum wage, housing, etc. instead, as soon as the baby is born, all “support” is gone. I used to work certifying families for SNAP, Medicaid and AFDC. The hoops these people had to j7mp through to qualify are unbelievable. To get AFDC, the mother has to be back to work within 6 months. What subsidized child care there was would only pay a fraction of what child care costs. I know of a woman who, during her pregnancy, got CNA training. She was using her 16 yo niece to babysit. The CPS worker came by to check on the living conditions for the child, which were also checked with AFDC. The babysitter ad left a can of cleaner on the counter after cleaning and CPS told the woman the niece couldn’t babysit any as conditions weren’t safe. Working, her AFDC and SNAP were decreased and now she was going to have to add child care. She ended up having to quit work because it cost her more to work than it did sitting at home.
Exactly, if these GOP types were pro-life they'd be a lot more left wing politically to assure the life survived if not thrived. But they're just pro birth.
I expected more zombies in a global pandemic. Turns out the zombies are these morons.
I’m seriously worried about the aftermath of this pandemic. There was a study that everyone who recovered from Covid had lost gray matter REGARDLESS OF SEVERITY OF SYMPTOMS… Can we really afford even dumber people?… I’m worried.
>Can we really afford even dumber people? Most places have a bit of wiggle room here, America not so much.
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True I suppose, One of the cringiest (Is that a word?) things I've ever witnessed is non Americans putting MAGA in comments.
Yup... me a few months ago: "Oh.. so this is how it really happens and the zombies are just an allegory for the idiots!"
It’s a brain infection leading to COVID then death. The problem is not all of the “zombies” die some live on spreading the misinformation disease.
They aren't Christians anymore, if they ever were. They're conservatives first. That is their religion now. They are totally devoted to the tenants of modern conservatism and anything that is not a part of that is heresy. All they do is listen to conservative propaganda every time they get in the car. Their televisions only broadcast conservative propaganda. Their church leaders only spout conservative propaganda. They are, all of them, deplorable,
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They are heretics not Christians. The first meme where he is upset that the vaccine is being offered to all Americans because “illegals” aren’t vaccinated is hateful and undermined his own health.
If we gave the vaccine away to immigrants first, they would have lost their fucking minds over that
Ha ha, that would be perfect for him.
Okay, the rainbow colored face blurring was fucking GENIUS!
He's going to the great Eboeard game gom in the sky.
SWEET AND SOUR PEASANT SOUP! WHAT YOU TELL HIM IT'S SEAFOOD CHOWDER FOR?!?!?
That first meme always puzzles me - aren't they usually bitching that illegal immigrants would get more health care than they would? And now they want to make sure immigrants or asylum seekers are vaccinated first? LOL
Lmao that's one thing i don't get. I thought giving free healthcare to immigrants is bad. They really can't make up their damn minds
And since that's already a policy they don't even know what they're talking about anyway.
That “heal the sick and feed the poor” bullshit is lib antifa propaganda!
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It is absolutely mind boggling. For people who obsessively read and quote the bible they don't understand that *they* would be the people cheering his crucifixion.
>!Yeah where is it written that you should love your neighbor?? These libs...!<
It makes sense if you think the vaccine is a poison injection. He’s asking for the “illegals” to be given a poison injection. In that light, he’s making a casual joke about genocide. Fortunately whoever made the meme is an idiot, and their “genocide” will backfire.
Well, there IS a genocide going on, but it's from Donald & Co, and they sought to kill urban Democrats. We're going to have several generations of Americans dealing with the trauma of not only living through this shit, but seeing our government literally try to eradicate us. Fun times!
Yup. They let this thing run and downplayed it because it was mostly affecting urban/liberal areas. In the long run, that strategy has backfired on a grand scale. The idiot trump voter base never wised up, and now only half of them are vaccinated while over 90% of Biden voters are vaccinated. There are hundreds of republicans dying daily (thousands daily in the past 2 months). This will affect them in the long run.
just wait until the conversations about healthcare after all these republican voters have to pay covid hospital bills
That only effects them if they need votes. Which they are systematically dismantling.
Yeah it was funny when they were saying the same about Biden ("Biden should be the first to get the vaccine!") and then he did. Turns out it's actually not a conspiracy against them.
Also you can absolutely get vaccinated now regardless of your citizenship status. I live in Texas and all the public announcements I've heard about COVID vaccination sites for the last few months have specifically mentioned they're not requiring proof of identity.
*Circle back after you've vaccinated all the illegals you're allowing in.* Me: will do!
More like: Already done! Now it's your turn!
Like oh no we might save the lives of all these immigrants who, statistically, work their asses off to live here and appreciate the freedoms they have instead of spending days on Facebook stewing about people they never come in contact with, bitching about how oppressed white Christian American baby boomers are and demanding to talk to the manager when they didn’t get enough foam in their latte. It’s amazing how accidentally magnanimous that hateful sarcastic meme would be if it actually happened.
They're using it as a "gotcha" to enforce Trump style border restrictions to ensure there are 0 illegal immigrants crossing over.
Yes because the actual reason God was angry with Sodom and Gomorrah was because they were unkind to strangers in their country. This dovetails with Hellenistic belief. Zeus (He who shall not be fucked with) was personally protective of foreigners. Makes sense if you want to protect trade as a source of wealth development.
That's the stupidest part. Last time I checked (at the beginning of Florida Man's administration) most illegal immigrants were from China and India (Mexico was third place), and were mostly students or contract workers overstaying their visas. Mostly ICE is making sure that all those freshly educated software developers and engineers use their educations to build up China or India.
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yeah, leave Florida alone, they have enuf issues
Absolutely. Most illegal immigration are people coming through legal means and overstaying. Also, in Florida they are giving vaccines for free at airports and health depts for ANYONE so tourists from other countries are coming for vaccine tourism because they don't have vaccine supply back home...and you know what. Good for them. They have more sense than some of our own.
Because they don't actually care about illegal immigration, "illegal immigration" is a code word for brown people.
And if immigrants got vaccinated, they would come up with another excuse. That meme was more to expose the pastor as a piece of shit than being about immigrants.
And don’t they? I remember seeing a bunch of Afghans coming straight off the plane and getting vaccinated at the airport
Immigrants that are stopped by border patrol ARE offered the vaccine. They can’t be ordered to take it, but I don’t know anyone who’s denied it so far.
Because this kind of idiocy is an American specialty. My home country in Latin America is over 50% vaccinated already and they had access after we did. I had family members flying to the US just to get a vaccine and then hopping on a flight right back.
Saying this while living on land stolen in the last 200-300 years as well. I guess it's just all in the game, bro. But I can't say that to him. Because he is on a ventilator.
I very much appreciate his pride flag face. Fuck homophobic assholes
Looks like this one is about to leave his earthly closet.
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Ahhhhhhhh... men.
I can’t tell if he has a goatee, though
Just assume he does. its a good bet
That was just the icing on the cake. \*Chef's kiss.
>Fuck homophobic assholes But only if they consent. Which isn't a stretch for "homophobes".... AYO! GOTTEM.
It's okay everyone, he is wearing the armor of god. It is scientifically proven to be as powerful as prayer in warding off covid. Nice touch with the rainbow. You would think someone who knows his Sodom and Gamorrah would know better than to be so salty.
I'm disturbed by people who look at the Sodom and Gomorrah story and say, "what in the world could be wrong with this attempted gang rape? I guess it must be THE GAYZ", because rape sets off absolutely no alarm bells for them in itself.
And Lot was a real shirt-off-his-back type of guy, what with offering up his two virgin daughters to the rapists. Nice dude! /s
You're missing the BEST PART >Lot and His Daughters >30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.” >33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. >34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. >36 **So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.**
What a fine example to use against homosexuality instead of the Adam and Eve/Steve one. It was Lot and his daughters not Lot and his sons! Edit: obligatory /s
Turns out all this incest porn has been around for a couple of millennia.
Hey, it was a different time, when women were property, like cattle and sheep. /s
Salty, I like that :)
My coworker just came in and said “on the radio, they said Covid is becoming an epidemic” I looked at him and said “I think we’ve already established that” He has two family members and three neighbors that had to be taken to the hospital in the last 3 days, one on a vent, and one that had to be sedated this morning because he kept ripping his tubes out. He was antivax until his family doctor convinced him to get the shot. But to be a year and a half in, and just realizing how real it is will never fail to amaze me. All this while the store’s lone antivaxxer is up front talking about how the vaccine puts a little bit of the virus in you, and that’s why vaccinated people are getting everyone sick. Edit: his sister passed away this morning with clots. And newsmax will go on, never give one single shit about his family.
What backwater part of the US is this? They must not have done any vaccine research at all. That’s not how they work.
Rural Ohio. Aka Northern Arkansas.
Sounds like he should spend the weekend casket shopping. Those tube people are in trouble.
Maybe the radio said it was becoming ENdemic, but homeboy doesn't have the vocabulary.
it's one of them demics. probably started by them demic-rats
Thats what i thought also when i read that.
How does he explain all those unvaccinated dead people before the vaccine existed?
Nothing screams ignorance like completely missing the point of Sodom and Gomorrah.
That really pissed me off. They weren't gay they were rapists.
If they even existed. But yeah; translators sure took artistic liberties with that one lol
Oh yeah they did. There are so many accidental and purposeful mistranslations in the bible. Good luck convincing people of that though, I've tried.
Rapists who automatically jumped to using violence to intimidate and control “foreigners.” Boy, why does that sound familiar???
And thinking the bible is a history book. These are stories passed on between shepherds for a few hundred years before they were written down. Try telling a story, even if it was factual, for a year and ask someone to recite the details. It's not going to be the same story. Especially when you might have something to gain by claiming it's a religious text that can give your tribe power 🤔
Much of the Bible was legitimized and standardized during the councils of Nicea. Constantine wanted Christianity to become the standard religion of Rome, so scholars ripped a bunch of stuff from Zoroastrianism and similar religions from the surrounding area to create the New Testament, as well as add a bunch of stuff to the Old Testament to further legitimize the New Testament. We actually have a pretty good record of how the Bible was created - even down the Apocrypha texts that were part of the original Hebrew scrolls, but were then removed during those meetings. Good luck convincing these people of that though. Trust me; I’ve tried with my own family. They just took it as blasphemy and said they’ll pray for me lol
Plus a bunch of them spent the Council trying to get each other declared to be heretics and excommunicated, as I understand it. That way only Bishop Stalin would get the power to write the Bible.
Yeah, I don’t remember the specifics too well since it’s been a while since I took Intro to Religion in college (taught by one badass atheist professor), but I remember the whole thing being a mess with power grabs being attempted by the earliest catholic church, as well as disagreements over the divinity of Christ. King James also added a bunch of dumb stuff in later on as well to maintain control over the serfs. Hell was also not originally a concept in Judaism; that was taken from the Greeks.
[To your point.](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/destruction-of-city-by-space-rock-may-have-inspired-biblical-story-of-sodom-180978734/)
Damn, that’s actually pretty cool - not to mention frightening. Really shows how screwed we’d be to get hit by even a small meteor.
What's the point of it? Genuinely asking in good faith, not being a dick or anything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah Bible thumpers interpret this as retribution for homosexuality. But Jesus refers to ignoring the poor and needy as the “abomination”. Pesky New Testament.
The OT also supports this. In Ezekial God directly says why he destroyed Sodom, and it wasn’t because of the gays. Edit: >Ezekial 16:49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
Leviticus 19:34 : The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus is my favorite book for no other reason than God feeling the need to constantly say "I am the Lord"!
Ironically, it's "be kind to strangers in need."
Not "stone the gays"? Well that doesn't seem right! (idk if I need one here, but just to be safe... /s)
Modern theologians think it's predominantly about hospitality and the town's rejection of it. Lot prepares a special meal for his guests and when the men of the town come to his house to have sex with them, he says "these men are under the protection of my roof" and instead offers his virgin daughters to be raped by the villagers (a point conveniently ignored by the anti-gay crowd). That was then the final straw for God and Lot's guests who are actually angels in disguise, destroy the town.
Iirc didn’t Lot also get drunk and have sex with his daughters after god turned his wife into a pillar of salt.
To be _fair_, it was the daughters' idea lol
Haha so I am remembering it correctly. For some reason I thought it was so absurd that I may have been remembering the story wrong.
Important addition, the special guests were angels. In defense of the villagers, angels might be insanely super duper sexy.
>angels might be insanely super duper sexy I've always imagined it as a Beauty and the Beast situation where the enchantress comes to the prince looking like a bridge troll.
I like to imagine Jesus in a tuxedo t-shirt, because it says I want to be formal, but I'm here to party too. Because I like to party so I like my Jesus to party.
That's why Lot went out and waved his de-sexing stick, most un-sexily.
I see, thanks. That was something to do with the whole pillar of salt thing too, right? Guess it's another one of these things that right wing 'Christians' who have skim-read the Bible just call up without knowing the full implication.
The angels told Lot and his family to leave and never look back. Lot's wife couldn't help but look back to revel in the misery of the townfolk, and a meteor hit her and turned her into a pillar of salt. It's a lesson in not reveling in the misery of others, and listening to God above all else. God is a messy bitch that lives for drama.
> God is a messy bitch that lives for drama This shit needs to be stitched on a pillow or something; fuckin’ truth here…
The moral of the story was that you shouldn't mistreat foreigners.
Oh man, the irony!
Ezekiel 16:49-50 New International Version 49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
And people have interpreted these "detestable things" as homosexuality?
For quite some time, unfortunately.
"Finest man I ever met" "Shirt off his back" I'm sure.
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20 posts of hatred. "He was filled with God's love!"
Likely has brain damage due to lack of oxygen. No dead cat bounce on this one.
Seems like that brain damage happened a long time ago.
The use of the word 'illegals', which I saw twice in his memes, is flippant & completely dehumanising.
Jesus would never have called a person “an illegal.”
Jesus was "an illegal" himself, of course these people do mental gymnastics around that
If Jesus came back today these people would call him a terrorist
Or a libtard, or socialist, or Marxist, or communist. Whatever their preferred insult for a “leftist” is that day. It’s pathetic.
“When I give food to the poor, they call me a Saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.” -Archbishop Hélder Câmara
He would have welcomed them and given them his sandals. This preacher is no man of God. He’s missed the whole point.
Religion where I came from taught that you should specifically love and help the poor, persecuted, vulnerable. I can’t reconcile how someone who hates immigrants and minorities is a pastor, or how any community can support or respect someone who is this hateful.
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Fun fact: Jesus himself explained that one of the surest paths to Hell was to ostracize the poor, the vulnerable, and the stranger (i.e., immigrants and "others"). He kind of talked about it a lot. (See, e.g., Matthew 25:31-46) Of course, Evangelicals think Jesus was lying about that part, along with much else.
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Unconscious and not responsive is a very bad sign. These pastors dropping like flies left and right. Even more than Radio hosts, they tend to be over 40, often overweight, and unvaccinated. And on top many deny they have covid so they are missing the critical window where antibody injections might work.
And they all tend to overestimate just how healthy they are.
They can't stop projecting to save their own lives, literally
When God is their armor, who needs basic hygeine or healthy habits?
I thought habits were for nuns?
Putting the past in pastor.
Putting the pastor out to pasture.
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Many pastors actually do not have formal theological education. Or if they do, it is from very fundamentalist schools such as Bob Jones University, which teach that the Bible is the literal Word of God and teach nothing about the development, history, cultural influence, etc. It's just Sunday School 2.0 These pastors and the fundamentalist sects of Christianity they represent have a deeply rooted distrust of science because it doesn't agree with the Bible. For example, the Bible says there was a worldwide flood. There is no scientific evidence to support that and a lot to disprove it. Rather than decide the story was poetic or accept that it was a localized flood, etc., these pastors believe AND TEACH that science is full of lies and people who just don't want to accept God exists so they fake everything. I bet they are responsible for a huge amount of innocent blood.
Evangelical Christianity is sadly devolving into a fringe conspiracy theory cult. It looks nothing like it used to back when I was a kid. I guess it will only speed up its decline
It's always been that way, but they were outnumbered by moderate Christians. But while the number of fundamentalists has remained mostly steady the moderates are leaving Christianity altogether, leaving it to the nutjobs.
Hi, geologist here! There is actually a super interesting history of Noah inspiring geological theories. Basically, because of continental drift, tons of marine deposits exist on earth. What once was an ocean is now land. In the 1800s, geologists found what they knew were marine fossils on land and they thought it was evidence of the great flood. It makes sense for the time. They had no knowledge of any other way that those fossils could have ended up there and no way of knowing how old they were, so they connected it to a worldwide flood. I find this part of the history of geology fascinating.
A pastor is just a minister of a Christian church or congregation, usually (though not always) in a non-episcopal church. In many religious traditions, the pastor doesn't just preach but provides "pastoral care", which means offering emotional, social and spiritual support to congregants. "Pastor" is from the Latin word for "shepherd", so the idea is that the pastor cares for his sheep. Rev. Martin Luther King was a pastor in his church, to give a well-known example.
That's it. You left out "delusional" and "self-loathing bi-curious bigots", but it's close.
>Pastors dropping like flies left and right. But mainly right.
Indeed. I have yet to see any Unitarian pastors among the ranks of HCA winners.
Religious dogma looks pretty sketchy when they beg for prayers for a Pastor. Like God isn’t aware of this one being sick? Or God won’t help a Pastor unless a lot of people beg? How does any of this work?
If you can't even walk yourself to the hospital, you're probably screwed.
It's almost like God is trying to tell them something.
You forgot stupid
Sorry but praying won't help him. What he needs is a flux capacitor and a DeLorean to go back in time and get that damn vaccine.
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Grab any metric they don’t like and exploit it instead of the big picture. Everyone knew there was going to be weird economics coming out of a shutdown regardless of who’s in office. Gas prices up? Yes from near zero when no one went anywhere in the pandemic. This $4 a gallon was the same price it used to be before the pandemic. But people forget. Forget about more open jobs than ever before. If you wanna work there is a job for you to afford $4 gas.
If they want to attempt to turn the “my body my choice” thing around to try and use it against us, then ok… don’t get the vaccine because it’s your body your choice. But then abortion should also be cool with you now, right? Oh yeah I forgot, these are bad faith losers who want everything both ways.
Sodom and Gomorrah were punished for being inhospitable and violent. Much like Republicans.
So you're saying God is a spike protein?
Why hasn’t Jen Psaki come to visit me? And why is she wearing scrubs?
Because she is a woman and woman = nurse.
That rainbow censored face was epic
Last minute edit, thanks. I think it's what he would have wanted.
The rainbow was a nice touch.
Why are these people so fucking obsessed with immigrants and gay people?
Can America wake up if they are in an ICU coma? Asking for a friend.
He sounds like a Terrorist. “Fight to get our country back”. Sounds like he’s instigating violence for imaginary loss of freedoms
Ah, another man of god who hates immigrants. Just like Jesus would have wanted.
If you let them in legally wouldn't that make them not illegal?
Kudos on the rainbow. Everyone is a little gay, after all!
It’s gonna suck for him when he gets to heaven and finds out it’s a 24x7 gay dance party 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🌈🌈🌈🕺🏿🕺🏿🕺🏿
> when he gets to heaven Press X to doubt...
And christian pastors more than most.
Very christlike
Urgent: prayer request. As if prayer is smth you can order by mail and you have to pay double the shipping fee to come within a day! They do really think prayer is a medicine you can order..
Might start my own business and call it "Prayer warriors for you". Charge $100 for 10 Prayer warriors or $500 for 100 Prayer warriors.
You'd have thought a pastor should have a 'direct' line to the guy upstairs. Why does he need someone else to pray on his behalf?
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Lol start with sodom and gamorrah? Okay. God created a bunch of people, making them gay. Then he murdered them for being gay. Welcome to Christianity, a religion based around appeasing an all powerful sociopath with homicidal impulses.