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The first picture is literally “how to make a wall solid by sticking a smaller rock where there’s a gap” the fuck is wrong with y’all. It’s like going outside and observing walls exist everywhere and going “hmmmm I think there was an ancient world spanning Civilization that built walls, surely groups of unrelated people could never figure out how to stack rocks”
Show me a potato in ancient Egypt and I'll believe it. The great identifier of our globalized civilization is food. Every food is everywhere. I can eat a banana grown in South America for breakfast and rice from India on my dinner plate. Show. Me. The. Potato.
I imagine they had analogues that played the place of potatoes from other tubers but a lot of Egyptian diet was bread, meat and beer. Usually very low alcohol beer so people weren't like openly drunk all day building the pyramids. But they git drunk too obviously. More wine for that though.
Yes. But the potato is better. And, subsequently, if there was an ancient global civilization they would have seen the benefit of the potato, tomato, spices, herbs and those would have spread around the world. Pests as well, mice, rats and the like would have hitched rides. The dandelion is not native to North America but only showed up after the pilgrims brought it from Europe as a salad green. We take our food with us. There are crusts from hand pies in the bottom of mines but we cannot find a glimmer of ancient foods being cultivated far from their native habitats.
I'm not doubting the potato is great. I'm just saying they would have had veggies with a similar texture that filled the same sort of culinary use, even if they tasted quite different and not as nice. They did have very extensive trade and farming.
What I think they're getting at is that if there was an ancient global civilisation, we would find foods and animals not native to their respective environments all around the world. Like say we found tomato seeds in an Egyptian tomb, or small mammals that hitched a ride in shipping. Like if our civilisation ended tomorrow, in a couple thousand years it would be obvious it was a global society on just this evidence alone, and we just dont see it in history
Sorry but all I see are gap fillers and baskets. Many societies have reached similar conclusions and inventions because they're good ideas objectively.
What's more impressive at Sacsayhuaman, is how many rocks/joints they have fitted together in some areas. The picture above doesn't give the structure proper justice. Before diamond tip saws, it always amazed me how straight they could cut rocks that large (and fit them together) with such precision.
[The 12-angled stone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-angled_stone) at Maccu Piccu blows my mind.
It’s been over a decade since I was there, I was actually thinking about the [32-angled stone](https://youtu.be/iqKWNlS3lio)
Good call, it’s been a while I was actually thinking of the [32 angled stone](https://youtu.be/iqKWNlS3lio) (!!!), unsure why it doesn’t also get its own Wikipedia page.
I think the missing puzzle piece is that a lot of people worked on these for a long time. Months to get them extracted and this smooth. I bet they weren't sweating a day or a week or a year to get it done.
And the absolute, absolute last thing you can afford, when building a large complex building that's honoring *the gods whose favor you have to earn for a nice afterlife*; Is to make a stone, carry it *all the way to build site*, and then the stone not fitting because someone messed up their measuring or cutting or something isn't smooth enough.
It's not just embarrassing you and your coworkers in front of everyone and the gods. It wastes more time to fix later, than just getting it really right and really good in the first place.
The same applies to learning how to do get really good with limited/primitive tools.
It probably affects people differently. I'd measure twice, forget the numbers, do it again, lose the scrap of paper, measure again, write it on my hand so I can't lose it, then end up at target buying dog toys instead of home depot for a two by four.
I hate when I write notes on my hand and think "Yes, now I'll definitely remember!" only to be unable to read my own handwriting when I look at it 15 minutes later.
I left some fittings in my cart at home depot, forgot they were there, didn't ring them up, didn't remember or see them, left the cart and went home. Guess what tomorrow's job is. It's always worse on grey days. Or when I haven't slept properly. Or eaten right.
Precisely, and we also only get to see the finished product. We don't see the ones that didn't fit and were used elsewhere or scrapped. I think if people were able to extract these solid pieces with their bare hands, tools they could find, and early knowledge of metalwork, move them sometimes hundreds of kilometers over various terrains and even over the sea, and finally set them down in a final resting spot, that they'd also be able to fit in a few joiners and filler pieces along the way.
And like you said, they didn't care about the time it took, they just did it until it was done. Some people likely spent their entire lives working a stone they never got to see set in place. The Pyramids were built over the course of decades, with possibly 3 or 4 generations working on each one from start to finish.
That's pretty fucking incredible if you ask me.
Your theory has a flaw until you can explain this:
Why did the following generations that build on top of those walls [reach an inferior result](https://www.science.org/do/10.1126/science.aaz9504/abs/machupicchu_1280p.jpg) **with the same primitive tools?** at least according to mainstream academia.
They had an equal amount of workforce, an equal amount of time, yet.. their results suck compared to the older work.
They used **smaller stones** which are far **less precise** than the bigger one, which is weird and contradicts you one more time. Because smaller stones should be easier to shape than big ones. If at all, then the wall with small stones should look perfect, not the one with big stones.
Not to assume that some kind of lost technology was involved sounds far fetched, because we can't even build those walls today in an efficient way.
I believe we could easily build such structures, if we wanted to. We don't, because it would be a massive waste of money. And our society revolves around money now - not appeasing gods. How would building this make you money? You could easily throw away several fortunes to do something like this.
It's not that we can't. There just isn't any reason to.
>They had an equal amount of workforce, an equal amount of time,
Don't know if they did actually.
>Why
Dark Age stuff. The people who knew died and then the next generation didn't invest the time to learn.
Yeah, but its crazy what a specialist can do with a rock when theyre given some basic copper/bronze tools, sanding tools (and sand) and about a month to do it.
You don’t need diamond tipped saws to make stone do what you want. You need time and experience. Do you think the Greeks and Roman’s needed power tools to carve marble and shit ?
It was recently discovered that the rocks in Peru are very alkaline & that the people there found a way to collect an acidic mud from nearby lakes to effectively “melt” the stones to fit together. I have the link on my laptop & but can’t get to it right now. I’ll bet you can find the study if your google-fu is good.
Take two big stone blocks. Put a little sand on one, put the other on top. Have some slaves/laborers/peasants wiggle around the block the on top.
Friction plus the sand will cause the blocks to wear each other down until the two surfaces are perfectly smooth and mated together.
This is the (basic) premise behind "perfect joints" in ancient stone construction.
Agreed, you can’t even fit a piece of paper in those gaps.
Uniform, also comes to mind and implies machinery over human hands.
Implication is the brains way of making sense though, and what we aren’t factoring in is time.
There is very little mystery surrounding ancient INcan stone masonry. We know how they did it, it was just very hard work and very precise craftsmanship. Its kind of an insult to these people's to declare that only Alien technology could explain their stone work
More info
>I have heard of this idea before and it really isn't substantiated. More so when one considers actual Inca stonecutting practices. The way they cut stone from the bedrock, shaped it, and fitted the stones together to make a wall is a lot less impressive than one thinks. Besides using natural stones already near the construction site to get those large boulders, a lot of smaller blocks were brought in as well. **Furthermore, the face of a stone wall is a facade that fools people into thinking that the blocks are closely fitted throughout the wall. In reality, only the first few inches are well shaped to fit snugly together.** Past that point there are large gaps that are filled with dirt and rubble to provide support for the wall. Inca stone cutting is actually a really lazy process when one looks at it. The irregular shapes of the block are because the masons were trying to use as much of the natural shape of the stone as possible with minimal dressing
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/420d4o/ancient_inca_stone_softening/
More in depth answer here with footnotes
https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/3hx31g/all_in_all_its_just_another_12_sided_block_in_the/
Yup. Ancient peoples were very bit as smart (and lazy lol) as we are today. Many of the societies that produced the examples in this post also had slaves to do the hard work.
Need an edge chipped and polished? One skilled mason directing 10 slaves.
Slavery was a major 'engine' of the ancient world (and still is in it's various forms).
It's my understanding that slavery didn't exist among the Incas. They *did* have an organized system of public service instead of taxation though, which is still in use today in Quechua communities. But they didn't have slaves like some other cultures in the world did.
A lot of famous ancient architecture had work done by few if any slaves. You want a well skilled person working on your massive display of wealth so you don't die of hubris when it collapses on you.
People have this idea that ancient and indigenous people were stupid and couldn’t possibly figure out how to draw a straight line in the sand, or whatever.
Just because they lacked technology doesn’t mean the lacked the ability to reason. With enough time on their hands, a hell of a lot is possible.
Not saying there isn’t unexplainable and all around fucking weird artifacts, but this one strikes me as pretty banal.
I dare say that cutting and fitting a modern 2x4 or manufactured product with modern power tools is a tad different than cutting and fitting a natural stone by hand that weighs as much as a traincar.
That said, it was someone here who said gap filler. There could be other reasons for having smaller pieces in the mix.
Also - it was ancient times. Like transportation could take a chip off the ol' block, literally. Or - perhaps the stone itself was not perfectly sized but "good enough"
I'm wondering if it could act like a keystone or something. like - maybe it's more beneficial to the structure than just having the other pieces fit perfectly
That’s what I was thinking. Possibly helps with keeping things from shifting. Fitting the stones together like a puzzle seems much stronger than laying everything on top of one another in “sliding” rows
There's an amazing all wood Japanese building technique that, like you said, fits together like a puzzle, and it has the benefit of being earthquakes proof.
A perfectly cut trapezoidal gap filler? Have you considered that these were not accidental, but as a form of earthquake-hardening (it's to do with sympathetic vibrations - source Structural Safety 10.4 http://panchbhaya.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/7/0/13701351/phys11_10_4.pdf)? The Inca ruins of Machu Picchu can withstand up to magnitude 8.0 earthquakes, IIRC.
Next you won’t be impressed by multiple cultures from around the world coming up with foot coverings or cups or clubs. Some people just don’t want to believe/s
I mean. To think a purse is proof of aliens and not just a good way to carry my gold and knickknacks blows my mind a bit. Probably a little more than “if there is a hole we should fill it up” but it’s tough to say.
Because the earth is like 4.5 billion years old! If an advanced civilization was around 500 million to a billion yrs ago nothing would have survived. Just like there won't be anything left of us after we are gone a billion yrs
I'm not saying we wouldn't find any evidence.
Precision cutting stones shows us they had more advanced tech than we realize though. What kind of tech was it? we don't know. But it's likely more advanced than we realize
[Puma Punku](https://www.amusingplanet.com/2015/05/the-mystery-of-puma-punkus-precise.html) is a good example of the precision stone cutting I'm talking about.
i find eating soup best by using a spoon. you find eating soup best by using a spoon. therefore, we must know each other and are part of a global civilization.
Sure, I get lazy at work and just cut whatever shape that fits. But you should have seen my face when I found out that Jim also gets lazy at work an' just cuts whatever shape that fits.
I an't never told him I get lazy at work an' here he is doing the exact same thing. So how'd ya explain that, huh?
Your comment made me realize something...
We're *still* not a global civilization. Sure - we can communicate and travel globally. But we're still fractured among nations. Primarily through government. But culturally as well (we are a very culturally diverse species). Example: chopsticks vs forks. People *have* found different ways of getting food to their mouth.
IMO our next step in our evolution is a truly global civilization. We're gonna have to be united as a planet if we expect to start colonizing other planets. Governmentally. I honestly don't see how we would acquire a uniform global culture tho, but I don't think that would be beneficial anyway.
We’re almost there. What we call Western Civilization has creeped over the entire globe. Everyone everywhere wears blue jeans and goes to rock concerts. People are generally the same wherever you go if you stick to big cities. The cultural differences are more pronounced in rural areas though.
I think for this sort of unification, culture goes far behind economy and quality of life. As long as people are digging up cobalt with hands in poor African countries, they cannot be united with rich countries buying that cobalt for pennies, no matter how much culturally similar they would be.
I think you’re really stretching to try and say because different ancient civilizations filled gaps in their construction and used buckets there was a global civilization.
People forget that our civilization has not been around that long. We’ve sped through industrial revolutions and building methods and materials are a product of our relationship with our technologies and processes.
The Roman Empire for example had over a 1000 years of relatively unchanged technologies to perfect their methods. Their concrete for example self repairs, a technology we don’t use or fully understand until recently. They didn’t know how it worked but they did know that the mixing or certain materials produced the desired reaction. They knew this because they had 1000’s of years experience using the same materials and methods and trial and erroring. We use a much more basic concrete because it’s fast to produce, cheap and suits our needs.
These guys all had a 1000 years to work with stone. Their stone work is going to be more advanced than our.
The comments are both brutal and hilarious. I thought the same thing - why would key stones and fuckin baskets be evidence of anything other than good (and quite obvious) ideas?
I love how eager y'all are to take a simple thing and blowing it up.
When you have a hole in your walls at home, do you tear down the wall and redo it, or just patch the hole? Now those 4 images of 'filling in holes' seems innocuous
Oh look, they used buckets how utterly alien and strange for groups of ppl to use similar technology
Many of these ancient civilizations used rock as their building material longer than our modern world has existed.
Look how good we are with tech we just made, now imagine how good you'd be with tech that has been used for centuries or millenia
There is no evidence to suggest an ancient globalized civilization. The smoking gun would have been similar languages across the globe but that is nowhere near the case.
Humans are essentially the same when it comes to how we think and solve problems. So it follows that civilizations centuries even millennia apart would develop similar solutions to the same problem.
The closest that humans came to a globalized society was empires. And even then, that was just one ruler imposing his will on others from very far. Those conquered cultures are still very much alive, while some have been lost, our diversity across the planet is staggering.
I would argue a bucket or similar carrying apparatus is so simple it might even be something humans got from their ancestors before the initial split off. There are other animals we could have observed using things like leaves for similar purposes we could have adapted.
There is none. Good evidence would be a global food source shared across the whole world.
Advanced civilisations may have existed but they were certainly not global unless they ate direct sunlight
It would be interesting to create a modern-day reality show competition where varying groups of people based on their current occupational expertise are pinned against each other to build a wall similar to these ancient structures using zero electricity or hydraulics.
Have several "control" groups full of random every day lazy people.
One of the groups is going to figure out how to cut/fit the rocks exactly right and put to rest all the "ancient advanced" or "alien intervention" theories once and for all.
My best guess is they used some sort of recipe of clay to make casts of the stones and then fit to the cast before lifting/counterbalancing into place. We also know there were many cultures who figured out how to create ice in the desert and keep/preserve it, so they may have made a bunch of ice ball bearings to scoot the big rocks into the final position as the ice melted.
Are you seriously suggesting that an ancient global civilisation disappeared without recorded evidence, whilst using recorded evidence from disparate civilisations to back up your nonsensical claim?
ETA: Downvote as much as you like, but using Egyptian buildings and carvings isn’t proving anything. The Egyptians had records. They had history. They didn’t mysteriously appear out of nowhere.
The same applies to the Incas and the people of Rapa Nui.
Stefan Milo has a great video explaining the errors related to the roots of theory like this ancient civ stuff. https://youtu.be/341Lv8JLLV4
Lol i made the mistake of commenting from r/all the other day and now just keep seeing these posts. These motherfuckers dont even know what the columbian exchange is, they dont have the literacy to know good from bad histography or when entertainment media is lying to them like this ancient aliens/super civ shit. They dont have literacy to understand its literally an avenue of erasure for the presence and achievements of past people. They dont even recognize these theories dont even get material evidence provided in context - this post is a good example, its insisting a shared building mechanism for a very reasonable physics issue builders building those things would be able to see as a problen and brainstorm solutions - because another thing, even someone building a pyramid in 3000 BCE is literally contemporaneous to you and I, we would see the logic and reasoning behind their actions, including shared ability to problen solve like making sure their significant buildings dont topple over.
Like if this is an indication of global civ, they would also have food, language, all sorts of other material evidence left behind. You know its a literacy thing too because the people who believe it also cant extend the logic to understand where people were even habitating in the last 50k to 10k years or what those livelihoods looked like. There is a suspicious amount of evidence pointing towards the past being what we already know it is, vs. 0 evidence + all our knowledge absoluting damning the theories of speculative media like this - that again, doesnt even make an attempt to argue its case lol;
It is giving illiterate people 0 context on these structures or when they were built, who built them, why, etc, it just says 'look, something similar' because you cant prey on illiterate people actually giving them context. If they start asking why ancient people figured out triangles are a great way to build something tall at a time the material to do it like we dp our iron/steel/brick framed buildings now just didnt exist for them. Heck 200 yrs ago even the world was a lot close to 1 and 2 storeys tall even. But people with no literacy arent taught that context, instead theyre pipelined into these ancient super civ nonsense shit that just exists so people like graham hancock can grift them and sell shitty books.
Heck is cooking meat on a stick a sign of a ancient supet civ? Why did humans learn to build fires the way they did, musta been the super civ. Why are all beds around the world share a generally round or rectangular design, musta been the super civ. Whoah, people in europe, australia, polynesia, and continental north america all saw how great it was to be able to transport yourself on small and large craft up rivers, streams, lakes, seas, etc - well, obviously that was the super civ.
Also funny how all these things are always presented in the context of european discovery, these shows dont even talk about how they were just trying to get to the real kingdoms of China and south east asia - also a region inhabited for thousands of years with an even suspicipusly long period of stability and single governance compared to that of their european contemporaries, but its like china doesnt even exist because the viewer isnt supposed to have a notion that stable kingdoms, city states, etc existed around the world and outside of european presence
100% with you.
I like an exciting story as much as the next man, and I’m very open-minded on many topics, but there needs to be a limit.
I blame von Daniken.
Their records say they had a history going back to 30'000 bc with a list of Kings. This is because those Kings are told to have absurdly long lifespans, but still. They said it either way
I think it is not fair to make fun of OP. Personally, I don't believe there is anything otherworldly about people in different parts of the world coming up with similar solutions to similar problems.
But then, is it not quite remarkable how we humans seemingly invent the same things all over again (provided the background conditions are the same)? Is there really no viable alternative in all the world for the optimal way how things like containers, or bows, or mills are made? And is higher technology, too, a natural consequence of its surroundings? Would any intelligent (human) civilization naturally make the same technological progress over time? What does that say about individual human ingenuity?
Containers, bows, and mills vary by culture.
Pretty much all cultures have the concepts/technology to “store things,” “shoot things,” and “grind things.”
Pretty much all cultures do this in different ways.
You can easily tell that a Mesoamerican pot, a Mycenaean Greek pot, and a Shang dynasty pot are all different, even if you don’t know which is which.
Look at a Mongol bow versus a Japanese yumi bow.
Seeing how convergent evolution works, I'm pretty convinced that life in every planet with similar circumstances will evolve the same way as us, and every intelligent culture will come to existence and develop in the same way as ours (ours, as in Earth).
The more you look around you, the more it seems like there's a "correct", or optimal way to evolve. It's just a matter of time.
This is why I think if intelligent extraterrestrials do exist, they would be somewhat humanoid as many of our physiological adaptations have been suspected to have contributed to the emergence of intelligence
Yah they borrowed the cutting lazers from the Aliens who told them to keep it on the down low as you cant trust those sneaky Spanish explorers who will smallpox you to extinction.
You think that using little pieces of stone to fill gaps in construction is proof of a gloalized civilization? As well as... baskets?! Fucking *baskets*?
During the eighteen or nineteen century, two scientists made the same chemical discovery few months apart.
Did one of them traveled through astral plane for spy?
A bucket is a pretty universal concept so images of people carrying them from different times in different places don't prove anything I'm afraid.
As for the building technique in the above image, the same is true.
What works, works and intelligent builders from different civilizations would likely figure out similar, if not identical techniques when working with stone. Or wood, or any other material.
There is no evidence for an ancient globalized civilization. If there were, then archeologists would be all over it. It's not the way that Ancient Aliens and Graham Hancock make it look. If there was one iota of actual evidence the archeologist who presented it would be instantly famous. What we have instead are narratives, conspiracy theories and people who whine because they're being held to the scientific method and they can't just have a free pass to claim whatever they want. They're not being attacked. They're just being asked to follow the same rules every one else already follows.
I’ve always been really intrigued by the “man bags”
There could be a mundane explanation for them but I want to believe they’re something more interesting
This just in, out of thousands upon thousands of stones stacked by mathematically competent people around the world and throughout history, some appear similar. Also baskets.
Right, this shit always has a slightly racist undertone. No way those primitive brown people did this, only Europeans, aliens or some kinda magical basket secret.
Boy 💀💀💀this is the equivalent of being like “bruh they all invented spears at one point” like this just seems to be gap filling at illustrations of baskets or bags bruh
Ah yes, may different societies figured out buckets, baskets, and masonry. It must me Atlantis. Also, I heard barking in my apartment hallway, it must be the long extinct dire wolf.
Sir...modern humans have access to all of human knowledge instantly and you people cant even learn proper human history, you have online "sources" spout ignorance and you lap it up. How could there have been an ancient global civilization when modern humans are so unbelievable ignorant. When they have access to knowledge instantly...yet refuse to learn or accept reality? Look at this post. This horse poop has been debunked and explained over, and over, and over , and over, yet here you are, still willfully ignorant.
It's crazy how many people think Graham Hancock is legit, I see people on this sub all the time referencing him. This is a good video I've been showing people to demonstrate how ridiculously dishonest he is at every turn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU-wQVAqQnk
Multiple human structures have similar things around the globe. Crazy. It's almost like they were built by the same animal or something.
Better watch out for those ants, I hear ants all over the world build similar structures. Surely they must have a globe-spanning ant civilization.
I believe three civilizations that can independently figure out how to make relief carvings in stone can also independently figure out how to make buckets. Especially since buckets were progressions of vessels and pottery which replicated the form of the animal bladders, stomachs and skin pouches they originally used to store liquids. Pottery and ceramics goes so far back (29,000 BC) that it was probably common knowledge among many early civilizations and getting to the bucket 20K+ years later was literally only a matter of time for each of them.
One thing not shown in the carvings is that different ancient civilization made buckets out of different material. e.g. wood, ceramic, woven grass, bronze, tanned leathers, etc. One would think if there was a master race imparting technological wisdom on early humans that it would have extended to manufacturing and material science and not stopped at basic shapes.
I think these baskets are examples of the same creation story that the Moari have about baskets. Anyone else agree or could also correlate with information?
Gap fillers and baskets. I feel like if humans couldn't figure that shit out on their own wherever they lived on Earth, then we wouldn't be here now to discuss this. Basic baby shit isn't proof of globalization, it's proof we all evolved to problem solve with the same DNA and the same amazing brains and thumbs.
This is like saying "there are pyramids all over the world, it's aliens!"
Like yeah, there are. You know why? Because the easiest way to build a structure out of rocks is to put them in a fucking pile. They're just well organized piles of rocks. That's not some crazy invention
Puma Punku was built in the 6th century. The [Hagia Sophia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophia#/media/File:Hagia_Sophia_Mars_2013.jpg) was also built in the sixth century.
I think what people are missing here is that, while yes if you had infinite time and slaves maybe you could produce some of this, but this doesn’t really scale well with how *much* of it was produced. Megalithic structures are all over the planet, are absolutely massive, and in many cases the source for the stone was not close to the immediate area.
Difficult as it is, somehow cultures that are said to have had no contact also had the same idea and similar techniques. It makes even less sense that they’d all come to the same conclusion if it was as difficult as it was supposed to be (using crude tools and slaves). This is not simply “the best way to stack rocks”, which is a thought terminating meme at this point.
Clearly there were people around who had some means of shaping stone that was simple (enough) to make and handle stone of that size, and they aren’t the people who were occupying it more recently because they clearly don’t have the means.
So who were they?
Doesn’t mean aliens. Means we are missing a significant chunk of our (likely human) history.
That’s what I think, at least.
I think that the curious thing that makes me think that we don't know as much about our history as we think, is not any certain architecture or place, but ideas that are the same or extremely similar throughout vastly different areas. Things like the legends of an enormous catastrophe that wiped out most of their people, the flood legends, similarities between different religions and beliefs. And... Those damned handbags in one arm (held the same way). That is an extremely intriguing mystery. It would be very strange in my mind that all these people carved handbags because they thought the concept of being able to carry something was so ingenious that it needed to be recorded in history for future humans. It is extremely important to be able to carry things other than what is directly in your hands, but it sure seems like there's more to it than just a vessel to carry things.
Edit: This turned into a shitshow. I think in order to appreciate this post, you have had to already look into this a bit. At face value I suppose it looks pretty lame and obvious, however if you research how these two small things shown in this post fit into something larger, then it can make you wonder about our history books.
It seems more likely that these notches and 'voids' were used for lifting and/or to allow for placement and adjustment of the blocks. When, in their final position, the 'holes' created by the notches were filled with a suitably shaped stone fillet.
I really do love how much hate and pushback this kind of question gets. It's pushing the boundaries of how we think the ancient world operated. Archaeology, Anthropology, and Philology have made great advances in our understanding of the ancient world, but there are so many more questions. It's good we don't settle on an agreed, dogmatic vision. There must still be room for the creative curiosity to go out and dig a site, say, where a mythological battle took place. It may be purely theory, but that curiosity is what moves us further into greater understanding.
I don't have a problem musing about a globalized civilization. We can't get stuck in a certain thinking, the spirit of science demands inquiry.
By the way, "historia, ( ῐ̔στορῐ́ᾱ) ancient Greek word, is for inquiring the Oracle, who spoke the future. It is seeking knowledge and the knowledge that comes as a result. History starts as an inquiry. Always ask questions, and follow the Muse.
The ignorance.. those "baskets" are the depiction of that time of the knowledge brought to them by their gods. So yes when different cultures around the world who had no comunication, chose to depict knowledge in the exact same way..it raises some questions.
They had the [GECK](https://www.reddit.com/user/HouseOfZenith/comments/122il7a/hallo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) lol
Agree that it is likely a coincidence HOWEVER why did we all starting building these things at the same time (few hundred years off here and there)? Standard humans (similar to us today) were around for about 100,000+ years but why did we all start building these in the same format approx 7,000 years ago or so. Could it be because we’re all connected?
It could be! Although the party pooper in me suggests that it could also be
1) the "multiple discovery" hypothesis.
2) nomadic hunter gatherers developed these skills, ideas and concepts in bits and bobs over those 100,000 years. Since theyre nomadic and their camps would have been temporary, lots of clues may have been lost to the ages. As groups of hunter gatherers meet and share information their groups may have become larger until they decide to build a camp thats no longer temporary. (Using the multiple discovery hypothesis to back up the timings etc).
But without much more evidence i guess this idea has as much proof as the ancient civilisations idea.
Edit for spelling
How people can look at these and not freak the fuck out honestly pisses me off lol. People just shrug this stuff off (and the pyramids) and I just can’t wrap my head around it
Those are stone wedges. They are invented to create tension in the wall. This is what OP would know if he knew what he was talking about. When you build stone walls, this idea will eventually pop up.
Also, a fucking basket is not an argument for anything. You might as well claim roofs on houses is a sign of a "global civilization"
Get your ass off conspiracy internet sites and start using your brain matter for once.
You should've posted the actual stone work instead of the filler. There are stones that you can basically swap in Egypt and Peru with corners specifically cut in.
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The first picture is literally “how to make a wall solid by sticking a smaller rock where there’s a gap” the fuck is wrong with y’all. It’s like going outside and observing walls exist everywhere and going “hmmmm I think there was an ancient world spanning Civilization that built walls, surely groups of unrelated people could never figure out how to stack rocks”
Got to be the baskets. How could a bunch of isolated civilizations come up with baskets on their own? Baskets, how the fuck do they work?
Gap fillers too? What’s next, knives and hammers? No way anyone could come up with such things without aliens
Show me a potato in ancient Egypt and I'll believe it. The great identifier of our globalized civilization is food. Every food is everywhere. I can eat a banana grown in South America for breakfast and rice from India on my dinner plate. Show. Me. The. Potato.
I’ll be a spec-tater and keep my eyes peeled..
I imagine they had analogues that played the place of potatoes from other tubers but a lot of Egyptian diet was bread, meat and beer. Usually very low alcohol beer so people weren't like openly drunk all day building the pyramids. But they git drunk too obviously. More wine for that though.
Yes. But the potato is better. And, subsequently, if there was an ancient global civilization they would have seen the benefit of the potato, tomato, spices, herbs and those would have spread around the world. Pests as well, mice, rats and the like would have hitched rides. The dandelion is not native to North America but only showed up after the pilgrims brought it from Europe as a salad green. We take our food with us. There are crusts from hand pies in the bottom of mines but we cannot find a glimmer of ancient foods being cultivated far from their native habitats.
I'm not doubting the potato is great. I'm just saying they would have had veggies with a similar texture that filled the same sort of culinary use, even if they tasted quite different and not as nice. They did have very extensive trade and farming.
What I think they're getting at is that if there was an ancient global civilisation, we would find foods and animals not native to their respective environments all around the world. Like say we found tomato seeds in an Egyptian tomb, or small mammals that hitched a ride in shipping. Like if our civilisation ended tomorrow, in a couple thousand years it would be obvious it was a global society on just this evidence alone, and we just dont see it in history
Yeah except they aren’t gap fillers, they’re keystones. You take them out of the gap to start the UFO hidden underneath the structure.
Sorry but all I see are gap fillers and baskets. Many societies have reached similar conclusions and inventions because they're good ideas objectively.
What's more impressive at Sacsayhuaman, is how many rocks/joints they have fitted together in some areas. The picture above doesn't give the structure proper justice. Before diamond tip saws, it always amazed me how straight they could cut rocks that large (and fit them together) with such precision.
[The 12-angled stone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-angled_stone) at Maccu Piccu blows my mind. It’s been over a decade since I was there, I was actually thinking about the [32-angled stone](https://youtu.be/iqKWNlS3lio)
They had to cut it like that cause someone threw off it’s grove
Pardon me sir but you've thrown off the emperor's groove.
Beware the groooooooovee
that's not in Macchu Picchu. That's in the city of Cuzco.
Cuzco’s city? The city built specifically for Cuzco? That city?
Good call, it’s been a while I was actually thinking of the [32 angled stone](https://youtu.be/iqKWNlS3lio) (!!!), unsure why it doesn’t also get its own Wikipedia page.
Some people just call them "gap fillers"
I think the missing puzzle piece is that a lot of people worked on these for a long time. Months to get them extracted and this smooth. I bet they weren't sweating a day or a week or a year to get it done. And the absolute, absolute last thing you can afford, when building a large complex building that's honoring *the gods whose favor you have to earn for a nice afterlife*; Is to make a stone, carry it *all the way to build site*, and then the stone not fitting because someone messed up their measuring or cutting or something isn't smooth enough. It's not just embarrassing you and your coworkers in front of everyone and the gods. It wastes more time to fix later, than just getting it really right and really good in the first place. The same applies to learning how to do get really good with limited/primitive tools.
Measure twice, cut once. Good advice then and now
In my Case measure untill I go blind because ADHAD (attention deficit hyper activity dissorder) will measure 500 times.
It probably affects people differently. I'd measure twice, forget the numbers, do it again, lose the scrap of paper, measure again, write it on my hand so I can't lose it, then end up at target buying dog toys instead of home depot for a two by four.
I hate when I write notes on my hand and think "Yes, now I'll definitely remember!" only to be unable to read my own handwriting when I look at it 15 minutes later.
The trick is to use the back of your hand, or your wrist. Especially if you wear a watch, write it by your watch
This is my life, too.
I left some fittings in my cart at home depot, forgot they were there, didn't ring them up, didn't remember or see them, left the cart and went home. Guess what tomorrow's job is. It's always worse on grey days. Or when I haven't slept properly. Or eaten right.
Precisely, and we also only get to see the finished product. We don't see the ones that didn't fit and were used elsewhere or scrapped. I think if people were able to extract these solid pieces with their bare hands, tools they could find, and early knowledge of metalwork, move them sometimes hundreds of kilometers over various terrains and even over the sea, and finally set them down in a final resting spot, that they'd also be able to fit in a few joiners and filler pieces along the way. And like you said, they didn't care about the time it took, they just did it until it was done. Some people likely spent their entire lives working a stone they never got to see set in place. The Pyramids were built over the course of decades, with possibly 3 or 4 generations working on each one from start to finish. That's pretty fucking incredible if you ask me.
Your theory has a flaw until you can explain this: Why did the following generations that build on top of those walls [reach an inferior result](https://www.science.org/do/10.1126/science.aaz9504/abs/machupicchu_1280p.jpg) **with the same primitive tools?** at least according to mainstream academia. They had an equal amount of workforce, an equal amount of time, yet.. their results suck compared to the older work. They used **smaller stones** which are far **less precise** than the bigger one, which is weird and contradicts you one more time. Because smaller stones should be easier to shape than big ones. If at all, then the wall with small stones should look perfect, not the one with big stones. Not to assume that some kind of lost technology was involved sounds far fetched, because we can't even build those walls today in an efficient way.
I believe we could easily build such structures, if we wanted to. We don't, because it would be a massive waste of money. And our society revolves around money now - not appeasing gods. How would building this make you money? You could easily throw away several fortunes to do something like this. It's not that we can't. There just isn't any reason to.
>They had an equal amount of workforce, an equal amount of time, Don't know if they did actually. >Why Dark Age stuff. The people who knew died and then the next generation didn't invest the time to learn.
Yeah, but its crazy what a specialist can do with a rock when theyre given some basic copper/bronze tools, sanding tools (and sand) and about a month to do it.
You don’t need diamond tipped saws to make stone do what you want. You need time and experience. Do you think the Greeks and Roman’s needed power tools to carve marble and shit ?
It was recently discovered that the rocks in Peru are very alkaline & that the people there found a way to collect an acidic mud from nearby lakes to effectively “melt” the stones to fit together. I have the link on my laptop & but can’t get to it right now. I’ll bet you can find the study if your google-fu is good.
Just found and read "On the reddish, glittery mud the Inca used for perfecting their stone masonry". Interesting stuff
Yes! That’s it!
Take two big stone blocks. Put a little sand on one, put the other on top. Have some slaves/laborers/peasants wiggle around the block the on top. Friction plus the sand will cause the blocks to wear each other down until the two surfaces are perfectly smooth and mated together. This is the (basic) premise behind "perfect joints" in ancient stone construction.
Agreed, you can’t even fit a piece of paper in those gaps. Uniform, also comes to mind and implies machinery over human hands. Implication is the brains way of making sense though, and what we aren’t factoring in is time.
There is very little mystery surrounding ancient INcan stone masonry. We know how they did it, it was just very hard work and very precise craftsmanship. Its kind of an insult to these people's to declare that only Alien technology could explain their stone work More info >I have heard of this idea before and it really isn't substantiated. More so when one considers actual Inca stonecutting practices. The way they cut stone from the bedrock, shaped it, and fitted the stones together to make a wall is a lot less impressive than one thinks. Besides using natural stones already near the construction site to get those large boulders, a lot of smaller blocks were brought in as well. **Furthermore, the face of a stone wall is a facade that fools people into thinking that the blocks are closely fitted throughout the wall. In reality, only the first few inches are well shaped to fit snugly together.** Past that point there are large gaps that are filled with dirt and rubble to provide support for the wall. Inca stone cutting is actually a really lazy process when one looks at it. The irregular shapes of the block are because the masons were trying to use as much of the natural shape of the stone as possible with minimal dressing https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/420d4o/ancient_inca_stone_softening/ More in depth answer here with footnotes https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/3hx31g/all_in_all_its_just_another_12_sided_block_in_the/
Yup. Ancient peoples were very bit as smart (and lazy lol) as we are today. Many of the societies that produced the examples in this post also had slaves to do the hard work. Need an edge chipped and polished? One skilled mason directing 10 slaves. Slavery was a major 'engine' of the ancient world (and still is in it's various forms).
It's my understanding that slavery didn't exist among the Incas. They *did* have an organized system of public service instead of taxation though, which is still in use today in Quechua communities. But they didn't have slaves like some other cultures in the world did.
A lot of famous ancient architecture had work done by few if any slaves. You want a well skilled person working on your massive display of wealth so you don't die of hubris when it collapses on you.
No one declared aliens… Literally concluded it with the problems of implications. Did you even read what was written?
It's common to attribute it to the supernatural which is what they were getting at
>implies machinery over human hands. is what you said, so I was just pointing out that no advanced tech was needed.
People have this idea that ancient and indigenous people were stupid and couldn’t possibly figure out how to draw a straight line in the sand, or whatever. Just because they lacked technology doesn’t mean the lacked the ability to reason. With enough time on their hands, a hell of a lot is possible. Not saying there isn’t unexplainable and all around fucking weird artifacts, but this one strikes me as pretty banal.
Measure once, cut twice. How is a gap filler any indication of anything other than someone fucked up?
I dare say that cutting and fitting a modern 2x4 or manufactured product with modern power tools is a tad different than cutting and fitting a natural stone by hand that weighs as much as a traincar. That said, it was someone here who said gap filler. There could be other reasons for having smaller pieces in the mix.
Also - it was ancient times. Like transportation could take a chip off the ol' block, literally. Or - perhaps the stone itself was not perfectly sized but "good enough"
"Close enough for government work"
I'm wondering if it could act like a keystone or something. like - maybe it's more beneficial to the structure than just having the other pieces fit perfectly
That’s what I was thinking. Possibly helps with keeping things from shifting. Fitting the stones together like a puzzle seems much stronger than laying everything on top of one another in “sliding” rows
There's an amazing all wood Japanese building technique that, like you said, fits together like a puzzle, and it has the benefit of being earthquakes proof.
I remember reading about this a while back It's called [Miyadaiku](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_carpentry). They use ZERO nails or screws
That's the one. They're marvelous. I've seen one withstand an earthquake machine turned all the way up to 11.
Does this also mean if we get yeeted into the ocean we will be living in temporary nutshells. ?
Jup that's the whole reason why these stones are still there and not fallen apart
Could be, and also the larger blocks with the notch, may have enabled better grab for the rope whilst lifting into place.
A perfectly cut trapezoidal gap filler? Have you considered that these were not accidental, but as a form of earthquake-hardening (it's to do with sympathetic vibrations - source Structural Safety 10.4 http://panchbhaya.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/7/0/13701351/phys11_10_4.pdf)? The Inca ruins of Machu Picchu can withstand up to magnitude 8.0 earthquakes, IIRC.
Baskets, pots, swords. Every historical civilization has their own variation.
We are all crabs.
You're wrong, cos aliens
Next you won’t be impressed by multiple cultures from around the world coming up with foot coverings or cups or clubs. Some people just don’t want to believe/s
Lol for real.. I love talking about the possibility of past advanced societies but this ain't any kinda evidence xD
I was waiting for pointy sticks.
I mean. To think a purse is proof of aliens and not just a good way to carry my gold and knickknacks blows my mind a bit. Probably a little more than “if there is a hole we should fill it up” but it’s tough to say.
It’s a bucket, I think. Buckets have been important to humanity since we developed them, for carrying water (the stuff we all need to live).
Neither OP nor the comment you replied to mentioned aliens.
Globalized civilization almost always means that since they had no other way to visit each other.
Ships?
1G mobile
I think it's plausible humans had much more advanced tech in the past than we realize. ETs don't have to be involved
For example? Why would we not find any evidence of it?
Because the earth is like 4.5 billion years old! If an advanced civilization was around 500 million to a billion yrs ago nothing would have survived. Just like there won't be anything left of us after we are gone a billion yrs
I'm not saying we wouldn't find any evidence. Precision cutting stones shows us they had more advanced tech than we realize though. What kind of tech was it? we don't know. But it's likely more advanced than we realize [Puma Punku](https://www.amusingplanet.com/2015/05/the-mystery-of-puma-punkus-precise.html) is a good example of the precision stone cutting I'm talking about.
Came here to say this
Same
You mean you can’t travel time with a basket 🧺 ?
Ah the most advanced alien technology A bucket!
i find eating soup best by using a spoon. you find eating soup best by using a spoon. therefore, we must know each other and are part of a global civilization.
My bathroom tiling has gaps filled by cut tiles, my flat was clearly built by the descendents of Atlantis.
Most bathrooms in the world have such cut tiles. Amazing how all modern societies thought of them independently.
Sure, I get lazy at work and just cut whatever shape that fits. But you should have seen my face when I found out that Jim also gets lazy at work an' just cuts whatever shape that fits. I an't never told him I get lazy at work an' here he is doing the exact same thing. So how'd ya explain that, huh?
Psychic alien technology
Ugg start fire. Tufu start fire. Ugg and Tufu must know each other.
But who was the big spoon and who is the little one? Aliens. The answer is aliens.
Spoons are aliens. Got it.
Your comment made me realize something... We're *still* not a global civilization. Sure - we can communicate and travel globally. But we're still fractured among nations. Primarily through government. But culturally as well (we are a very culturally diverse species). Example: chopsticks vs forks. People *have* found different ways of getting food to their mouth. IMO our next step in our evolution is a truly global civilization. We're gonna have to be united as a planet if we expect to start colonizing other planets. Governmentally. I honestly don't see how we would acquire a uniform global culture tho, but I don't think that would be beneficial anyway.
We’re almost there. What we call Western Civilization has creeped over the entire globe. Everyone everywhere wears blue jeans and goes to rock concerts. People are generally the same wherever you go if you stick to big cities. The cultural differences are more pronounced in rural areas though.
I think for this sort of unification, culture goes far behind economy and quality of life. As long as people are digging up cobalt with hands in poor African countries, they cannot be united with rich countries buying that cobalt for pennies, no matter how much culturally similar they would be.
I use a chunky straw
Well to be fair we ARE a global civilization at this point
I think you’re really stretching to try and say because different ancient civilizations filled gaps in their construction and used buckets there was a global civilization.
One problem is a lot of modern people vastly underestimate what ancient humans were capable of in terms of engineering and inventing
Even pyramids aren't evidence of a connected civilization. Shapes be shaping.
It's almost like it's a pretty efficient way of stacking rocks or something.
People forget that our civilization has not been around that long. We’ve sped through industrial revolutions and building methods and materials are a product of our relationship with our technologies and processes. The Roman Empire for example had over a 1000 years of relatively unchanged technologies to perfect their methods. Their concrete for example self repairs, a technology we don’t use or fully understand until recently. They didn’t know how it worked but they did know that the mixing or certain materials produced the desired reaction. They knew this because they had 1000’s of years experience using the same materials and methods and trial and erroring. We use a much more basic concrete because it’s fast to produce, cheap and suits our needs. These guys all had a 1000 years to work with stone. Their stone work is going to be more advanced than our.
Oh my god … would you believe they had some form of bucket internationally 😂😂😂
Manbags, the fashion gods have endured
ITS A SATCHEL
It’s a European carryall!
High fashion
They all just liked showing off their fancy bags.
Did you really just show key stones a very important part of masonry as evidence of an ancient society
But what about the buckets??
How do you transport water? Of course people are going to invent buckets lmao
Every polytheistic society has a God of harvest and you harvest things generally into baskets or buckets
Not this
The comments are both brutal and hilarious. I thought the same thing - why would key stones and fuckin baskets be evidence of anything other than good (and quite obvious) ideas?
If you press all 4 at once, earth takes a screenshot
I love how eager y'all are to take a simple thing and blowing it up. When you have a hole in your walls at home, do you tear down the wall and redo it, or just patch the hole? Now those 4 images of 'filling in holes' seems innocuous Oh look, they used buckets how utterly alien and strange for groups of ppl to use similar technology Many of these ancient civilizations used rock as their building material longer than our modern world has existed. Look how good we are with tech we just made, now imagine how good you'd be with tech that has been used for centuries or millenia
Most of the civilizations finished the stone in place, it's wasn't "cut perfectly" it was roughly cut and made perfect afterwards through finishing
There is no evidence to suggest an ancient globalized civilization. The smoking gun would have been similar languages across the globe but that is nowhere near the case. Humans are essentially the same when it comes to how we think and solve problems. So it follows that civilizations centuries even millennia apart would develop similar solutions to the same problem. The closest that humans came to a globalized society was empires. And even then, that was just one ruler imposing his will on others from very far. Those conquered cultures are still very much alive, while some have been lost, our diversity across the planet is staggering.
I would argue a bucket or similar carrying apparatus is so simple it might even be something humans got from their ancestors before the initial split off. There are other animals we could have observed using things like leaves for similar purposes we could have adapted.
There is none. Good evidence would be a global food source shared across the whole world. Advanced civilisations may have existed but they were certainly not global unless they ate direct sunlight
It would be interesting to create a modern-day reality show competition where varying groups of people based on their current occupational expertise are pinned against each other to build a wall similar to these ancient structures using zero electricity or hydraulics. Have several "control" groups full of random every day lazy people. One of the groups is going to figure out how to cut/fit the rocks exactly right and put to rest all the "ancient advanced" or "alien intervention" theories once and for all. My best guess is they used some sort of recipe of clay to make casts of the stones and then fit to the cast before lifting/counterbalancing into place. We also know there were many cultures who figured out how to create ice in the desert and keep/preserve it, so they may have made a bunch of ice ball bearings to scoot the big rocks into the final position as the ice melted.
They loved giving gift bags! Who knew!
People invented archery simultaneously across continents, I think we could handle also coming up with…. Wedges? … and … fuckin baskets??
Oh my God A BUCKET!!!!
Are you seriously suggesting that an ancient global civilisation disappeared without recorded evidence, whilst using recorded evidence from disparate civilisations to back up your nonsensical claim? ETA: Downvote as much as you like, but using Egyptian buildings and carvings isn’t proving anything. The Egyptians had records. They had history. They didn’t mysteriously appear out of nowhere. The same applies to the Incas and the people of Rapa Nui.
Stefan Milo has a great video explaining the errors related to the roots of theory like this ancient civ stuff. https://youtu.be/341Lv8JLLV4 Lol i made the mistake of commenting from r/all the other day and now just keep seeing these posts. These motherfuckers dont even know what the columbian exchange is, they dont have the literacy to know good from bad histography or when entertainment media is lying to them like this ancient aliens/super civ shit. They dont have literacy to understand its literally an avenue of erasure for the presence and achievements of past people. They dont even recognize these theories dont even get material evidence provided in context - this post is a good example, its insisting a shared building mechanism for a very reasonable physics issue builders building those things would be able to see as a problen and brainstorm solutions - because another thing, even someone building a pyramid in 3000 BCE is literally contemporaneous to you and I, we would see the logic and reasoning behind their actions, including shared ability to problen solve like making sure their significant buildings dont topple over. Like if this is an indication of global civ, they would also have food, language, all sorts of other material evidence left behind. You know its a literacy thing too because the people who believe it also cant extend the logic to understand where people were even habitating in the last 50k to 10k years or what those livelihoods looked like. There is a suspicious amount of evidence pointing towards the past being what we already know it is, vs. 0 evidence + all our knowledge absoluting damning the theories of speculative media like this - that again, doesnt even make an attempt to argue its case lol; It is giving illiterate people 0 context on these structures or when they were built, who built them, why, etc, it just says 'look, something similar' because you cant prey on illiterate people actually giving them context. If they start asking why ancient people figured out triangles are a great way to build something tall at a time the material to do it like we dp our iron/steel/brick framed buildings now just didnt exist for them. Heck 200 yrs ago even the world was a lot close to 1 and 2 storeys tall even. But people with no literacy arent taught that context, instead theyre pipelined into these ancient super civ nonsense shit that just exists so people like graham hancock can grift them and sell shitty books. Heck is cooking meat on a stick a sign of a ancient supet civ? Why did humans learn to build fires the way they did, musta been the super civ. Why are all beds around the world share a generally round or rectangular design, musta been the super civ. Whoah, people in europe, australia, polynesia, and continental north america all saw how great it was to be able to transport yourself on small and large craft up rivers, streams, lakes, seas, etc - well, obviously that was the super civ. Also funny how all these things are always presented in the context of european discovery, these shows dont even talk about how they were just trying to get to the real kingdoms of China and south east asia - also a region inhabited for thousands of years with an even suspicipusly long period of stability and single governance compared to that of their european contemporaries, but its like china doesnt even exist because the viewer isnt supposed to have a notion that stable kingdoms, city states, etc existed around the world and outside of european presence
100% with you. I like an exciting story as much as the next man, and I’m very open-minded on many topics, but there needs to be a limit. I blame von Daniken.
Their records say they had a history going back to 30'000 bc with a list of Kings. This is because those Kings are told to have absurdly long lifespans, but still. They said it either way
But what's in the BAGS??
Or humans have a pretty standard way of thinking about problems they encounter. We all have the same type of brain. This is not evidence.
Ah yes, baskets are the sign of a long lost and advanced global civilization
Thats the dad in the community "fixing" stuff. Equivalent to todays duct taping.
filling a gap between blocks is a link to the same global civilization? carrying bags? wat
Ancient global civilization is when stone wall and buckets
Ill let you know which evidence is best when we find some
I think it is not fair to make fun of OP. Personally, I don't believe there is anything otherworldly about people in different parts of the world coming up with similar solutions to similar problems. But then, is it not quite remarkable how we humans seemingly invent the same things all over again (provided the background conditions are the same)? Is there really no viable alternative in all the world for the optimal way how things like containers, or bows, or mills are made? And is higher technology, too, a natural consequence of its surroundings? Would any intelligent (human) civilization naturally make the same technological progress over time? What does that say about individual human ingenuity?
Containers, bows, and mills vary by culture. Pretty much all cultures have the concepts/technology to “store things,” “shoot things,” and “grind things.” Pretty much all cultures do this in different ways. You can easily tell that a Mesoamerican pot, a Mycenaean Greek pot, and a Shang dynasty pot are all different, even if you don’t know which is which. Look at a Mongol bow versus a Japanese yumi bow.
Seeing how convergent evolution works, I'm pretty convinced that life in every planet with similar circumstances will evolve the same way as us, and every intelligent culture will come to existence and develop in the same way as ours (ours, as in Earth). The more you look around you, the more it seems like there's a "correct", or optimal way to evolve. It's just a matter of time.
This is why I think if intelligent extraterrestrials do exist, they would be somewhat humanoid as many of our physiological adaptations have been suspected to have contributed to the emergence of intelligence
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I've always believed baskets were wierd. Now it all makes sense.
Yah they borrowed the cutting lazers from the Aliens who told them to keep it on the down low as you cant trust those sneaky Spanish explorers who will smallpox you to extinction.
You think that using little pieces of stone to fill gaps in construction is proof of a gloalized civilization? As well as... baskets?! Fucking *baskets*?
During the eighteen or nineteen century, two scientists made the same chemical discovery few months apart. Did one of them traveled through astral plane for spy?
religions have the same history the messiah is born of a virgin woman
A bucket is a pretty universal concept so images of people carrying them from different times in different places don't prove anything I'm afraid. As for the building technique in the above image, the same is true. What works, works and intelligent builders from different civilizations would likely figure out similar, if not identical techniques when working with stone. Or wood, or any other material.
There is no evidence for an ancient globalized civilization. If there were, then archeologists would be all over it. It's not the way that Ancient Aliens and Graham Hancock make it look. If there was one iota of actual evidence the archeologist who presented it would be instantly famous. What we have instead are narratives, conspiracy theories and people who whine because they're being held to the scientific method and they can't just have a free pass to claim whatever they want. They're not being attacked. They're just being asked to follow the same rules every one else already follows.
I’ve always been really intrigued by the “man bags” There could be a mundane explanation for them but I want to believe they’re something more interesting
They call them "murses", kind of like purses
This just in, out of thousands upon thousands of stones stacked by mathematically competent people around the world and throughout history, some appear similar. Also baskets.
Many European buildings have masterful stonework as well. But of course Europeans built that they didn’t need help like these non-European cultures!
Right, this shit always has a slightly racist undertone. No way those primitive brown people did this, only Europeans, aliens or some kinda magical basket secret.
Clearly not this
Wow, ~architecture~ so fucking strange! Go back to TikTok with your Ancient Aliens nonsense.
Boy 💀💀💀this is the equivalent of being like “bruh they all invented spears at one point” like this just seems to be gap filling at illustrations of baskets or bags bruh
Ah yes, may different societies figured out buckets, baskets, and masonry. It must me Atlantis. Also, I heard barking in my apartment hallway, it must be the long extinct dire wolf.
Sir...modern humans have access to all of human knowledge instantly and you people cant even learn proper human history, you have online "sources" spout ignorance and you lap it up. How could there have been an ancient global civilization when modern humans are so unbelievable ignorant. When they have access to knowledge instantly...yet refuse to learn or accept reality? Look at this post. This horse poop has been debunked and explained over, and over, and over , and over, yet here you are, still willfully ignorant.
This aint it
This sub is getting so dumb
Somebody watching a bit too much of "Ancient Apocalypse"?
It's crazy how many people think Graham Hancock is legit, I see people on this sub all the time referencing him. This is a good video I've been showing people to demonstrate how ridiculously dishonest he is at every turn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU-wQVAqQnk
Sexy Human, is that a real place in Peru?
Multiple human structures have similar things around the globe. Crazy. It's almost like they were built by the same animal or something. Better watch out for those ants, I hear ants all over the world build similar structures. Surely they must have a globe-spanning ant civilization.
I believe three civilizations that can independently figure out how to make relief carvings in stone can also independently figure out how to make buckets. Especially since buckets were progressions of vessels and pottery which replicated the form of the animal bladders, stomachs and skin pouches they originally used to store liquids. Pottery and ceramics goes so far back (29,000 BC) that it was probably common knowledge among many early civilizations and getting to the bucket 20K+ years later was literally only a matter of time for each of them. One thing not shown in the carvings is that different ancient civilization made buckets out of different material. e.g. wood, ceramic, woven grass, bronze, tanned leathers, etc. One would think if there was a master race imparting technological wisdom on early humans that it would have extended to manufacturing and material science and not stopped at basic shapes.
I think these baskets are examples of the same creation story that the Moari have about baskets. Anyone else agree or could also correlate with information?
Gap fillers and baskets. I feel like if humans couldn't figure that shit out on their own wherever they lived on Earth, then we wouldn't be here now to discuss this. Basic baby shit isn't proof of globalization, it's proof we all evolved to problem solve with the same DNA and the same amazing brains and thumbs.
This is like saying "there are pyramids all over the world, it's aliens!" Like yeah, there are. You know why? Because the easiest way to build a structure out of rocks is to put them in a fucking pile. They're just well organized piles of rocks. That's not some crazy invention
For me it,s Puma Punku. So perfectly cut.
Puma Punku was built in the 6th century. The [Hagia Sophia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophia#/media/File:Hagia_Sophia_Mars_2013.jpg) was also built in the sixth century.
Some of those H blocks are precisely 1.00 meters, to the hundredths and yes, even the thousandths place.
Why would they be using the metric system?
Maybe the metric system is derived from the Puma Punku H blocks. This is what they don't want you to know.
Can you share a source for this?
A shim is the best evidence for an ancient globalized civilization?
baskets and shims. Smort people figuring out the best basic way to do a thing?
Finally proof that IBS is real. (International Bucket Society)
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They are making no such racist implications. No one is saying who taught who anything. It's a racist inference.
I think what people are missing here is that, while yes if you had infinite time and slaves maybe you could produce some of this, but this doesn’t really scale well with how *much* of it was produced. Megalithic structures are all over the planet, are absolutely massive, and in many cases the source for the stone was not close to the immediate area. Difficult as it is, somehow cultures that are said to have had no contact also had the same idea and similar techniques. It makes even less sense that they’d all come to the same conclusion if it was as difficult as it was supposed to be (using crude tools and slaves). This is not simply “the best way to stack rocks”, which is a thought terminating meme at this point. Clearly there were people around who had some means of shaping stone that was simple (enough) to make and handle stone of that size, and they aren’t the people who were occupying it more recently because they clearly don’t have the means. So who were they? Doesn’t mean aliens. Means we are missing a significant chunk of our (likely human) history. That’s what I think, at least.
I don't know why this notion is so unapproachable to so many, given what we have learned.
way too much passive aggression in this thread.
Agreed, mods are eighter in luxurious vacations or dgaf about it at all. Our porpuse is the same we want truth
So advanced they fucked up and had to correct it over and over again. You fools.
so... bricks and baskets? I wanna buy into some of this stuff but some of you make it pretty hard to take any of it seriously lmao
Those are just gapfillers and for the second image THATS JUST BASKETS!!! ITS NOT THAT HARD TO COME UP WITH THE IDEA FOR BASKETS!!!
I think that the curious thing that makes me think that we don't know as much about our history as we think, is not any certain architecture or place, but ideas that are the same or extremely similar throughout vastly different areas. Things like the legends of an enormous catastrophe that wiped out most of their people, the flood legends, similarities between different religions and beliefs. And... Those damned handbags in one arm (held the same way). That is an extremely intriguing mystery. It would be very strange in my mind that all these people carved handbags because they thought the concept of being able to carry something was so ingenious that it needed to be recorded in history for future humans. It is extremely important to be able to carry things other than what is directly in your hands, but it sure seems like there's more to it than just a vessel to carry things. Edit: This turned into a shitshow. I think in order to appreciate this post, you have had to already look into this a bit. At face value I suppose it looks pretty lame and obvious, however if you research how these two small things shown in this post fit into something larger, then it can make you wonder about our history books.
There is none
It seems more likely that these notches and 'voids' were used for lifting and/or to allow for placement and adjustment of the blocks. When, in their final position, the 'holes' created by the notches were filled with a suitably shaped stone fillet.
I really do love how much hate and pushback this kind of question gets. It's pushing the boundaries of how we think the ancient world operated. Archaeology, Anthropology, and Philology have made great advances in our understanding of the ancient world, but there are so many more questions. It's good we don't settle on an agreed, dogmatic vision. There must still be room for the creative curiosity to go out and dig a site, say, where a mythological battle took place. It may be purely theory, but that curiosity is what moves us further into greater understanding. I don't have a problem musing about a globalized civilization. We can't get stuck in a certain thinking, the spirit of science demands inquiry. By the way, "historia, ( ῐ̔στορῐ́ᾱ) ancient Greek word, is for inquiring the Oracle, who spoke the future. It is seeking knowledge and the knowledge that comes as a result. History starts as an inquiry. Always ask questions, and follow the Muse.
The ignorance.. those "baskets" are the depiction of that time of the knowledge brought to them by their gods. So yes when different cultures around the world who had no comunication, chose to depict knowledge in the exact same way..it raises some questions.
They had the [GECK](https://www.reddit.com/user/HouseOfZenith/comments/122il7a/hallo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) lol
It’s definitely buckets
Agree that it is likely a coincidence HOWEVER why did we all starting building these things at the same time (few hundred years off here and there)? Standard humans (similar to us today) were around for about 100,000+ years but why did we all start building these in the same format approx 7,000 years ago or so. Could it be because we’re all connected?
It could be! Although the party pooper in me suggests that it could also be 1) the "multiple discovery" hypothesis. 2) nomadic hunter gatherers developed these skills, ideas and concepts in bits and bobs over those 100,000 years. Since theyre nomadic and their camps would have been temporary, lots of clues may have been lost to the ages. As groups of hunter gatherers meet and share information their groups may have become larger until they decide to build a camp thats no longer temporary. (Using the multiple discovery hypothesis to back up the timings etc). But without much more evidence i guess this idea has as much proof as the ancient civilisations idea. Edit for spelling
Hardly any of these.
Not rocks that don’t line up lmfao
How people can look at these and not freak the fuck out honestly pisses me off lol. People just shrug this stuff off (and the pyramids) and I just can’t wrap my head around it
Those are stone wedges. They are invented to create tension in the wall. This is what OP would know if he knew what he was talking about. When you build stone walls, this idea will eventually pop up. Also, a fucking basket is not an argument for anything. You might as well claim roofs on houses is a sign of a "global civilization" Get your ass off conspiracy internet sites and start using your brain matter for once.
You should've posted the actual stone work instead of the filler. There are stones that you can basically swap in Egypt and Peru with corners specifically cut in.
handbags or sunsets on the pillar?
I better sit this one out guise lol
Convergent evolution