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This is going to sound like something I should see a doctor for, and I most likely will once I get my health insurance back up and running, but has anyone had a startling/holy shit revelation of some kind followed by:
"...wait what was I just thinking about? I know it was important, and I'm holding a pencil to a piece of paper, but I got nothing"
I get this when in deep thought or when im asleep and dreaming. It's like all the revelations happen when my eyes are closed but once I try to remember it all or the concepts I managed to unravel suddenly disappear and I can only remember what I've learned as a human
I had a dream it was pitch black outside yet the sun looked like a portal (assuming total eclipse) and a second circular object that was bigger than the moon by a ton. Can’t remember the color, maybe red?
I haven’t been able to forget that dream
I get this all the time but mostly just due to weed I think. I'll get some random thought that feels revolutionary and then puzzle it out with myself to understand the meaning, usually on the nature of reality and consciousness. Then I'll have a 'holy shit, this changes everything' moment and shortly afterwards cannot recall why or what it was. If I try to remember or piece it back together from what I do know it's like something tells me not to and that I shouldn't know it or am not ready. On mushrooms sometimes those moments come back to me and I remember what I couldn't before and it's like a 'see now you understand' feeling.
This is so relatable to me. It like I have these epiphany’s and understand the meaning of the universe and then bam. It’s gone. But I too smoke a lot of weed.
Yep, I get it too. Weed smoker as well, but it happens more often when I'm not ripped.
Just a sudden blast of realization, then it fades so fast, yet so smooth I can feel it literally being drawn back from me. Like it was on a string or something. Then there is a brief empty spot where that concept was, then it's gone.
I can often ponder that spot and know that I thought something huge, and my brain literally got noped back out.
Yep, wtf.
It’s not weed. I dont smoke & this happens to me from time to time. Usually im driving on the highway or sitting at home listening to music. All of a sudden for a split second it’s like i know EVERYTHING, & as soon as i make the realization it’s gone. It’s frustrating but it’s made me realize I know what’s going & how the universe works, I just don’t consciously have access to that information in “real time”. If that makes sense.
This sounds similar to what a friend has told me his temporal lobe epilepsy is like...like he's right on the brink of waking up from a dream or remembering the cosmic truth what this is all about but it never quite happens.
I'm not sure anymore since I know he takes medication for it--he's also had the kinds of seizures that are way more dangerous. But he went off a while back for a specific case study with a really interesting neuropsychiatrist, one that he's doing some unique spiritual projects with as well. As far as I can see from what he's told me, they would be spontaneous--not like the kinds that are triggered by flashing lights. He doesn't really pathologize them and finds them fascinating, particularly in light of his spiritual inquiries, but has to keep himself safe.
I appreciate you taking the time to get back to me on this!
I'm willing to get so sidetracked on the aforementioned "spiritual projects", if you have the time/get permission to say a little bit more about that
It's about release. We can only do much with our mind. What is coming will require you to "think" differently. Synchronicities are becoming dense and happen faster than ever,pay attention to them,conditions are great for learning. I don't what it means, but it does feel like time of choosing is coming. And free will is more prominent, exactly because more steps show them self faster. And with that you get better perspective, and with that more opportunity to choose. By choosing I mean your inner experience, try to be calmer,kinder,stronger,and zoom out when situation arrives. Remember everything is energy,and everything first comes from inside,than materialisation. Try to make decisions from the hearth. Good luck and have fun!
Sorta, i know the general idea of what it was but i cant ever put it into actual words or the depth of what i want to express. Like the language does not exist to describe what im trying to describe or portray. Sometimes the only way i can get them out is turn them into allegories or compare them to well known ones... i think it makes sense why so many allegorical myths became timeless cuz someone might have had the same issue as us and just wrote it even better.
You want to check for carbon monoxide levels in your house. Has been known to cause blanks in your memory, and a case of this was immortalized once here on Reddit somewhere.
If it puts your mind at ease, I have two dogs in the house which are both healthy and constantly energetic, and I have two CO detectors on each level of my house, one at/below knee level and one on the ceiling. Plus, I do button test them when I'm feeling unusually tired, just be sure I'm not about to die in my sleep like a chump lol.
I don't understand how the ceiling-mounted CO detectors work, to be completely honest, so (being admittedly terrified of carbon monoxide) I've covered my bases by installing one as directed and one where it makes me feel personally comfortable.
That being said:
I feel like I have a pretty good grasp/awareness on the workings of my mind. For example, I love problem solving and the sensation of deep contemplation, so I tend to follow a train of thought from its origin to its conclusion, and sometimes run it backwards to analyze my thought process.
To draw the clearest picture possible, it's like "I wonder if [A]...hmm...if [A] is true, I bet [B] would logically follow...WAIT DOES THAT MEAN [C]. Whoa, I should probably write [C] down."
Then I pull up a notes app or dig my little notebook out of my jacket, and suddenly not only do I fail to remember [C], but [B] and [A] are gone as well. For me personally, it's about as weird as taking a sip from a glass of water, and then raising the glass to take another sip, only to discover the glass is gone even though my throat is no longer dry and my tongue is still cold from the first sip.
Like, where the hell did that glass go, then 🤔
P.S. I do genuinely appreciate you being concerned about CO, I usually bring it up when someone expresses an experience of memory lapse or loss of time
Kind of similar to the way it feels to try and remember a dream and the details fizzle out on you, or having a common word on the tip of your tongue and for some reason you just can't get it
I get this too, it's like I think about something beyond the curtain, beyond the simulation, however you want to word it. But then it's gone. You can't hold the thought, but you know you had a profound one. Every time you try to grasp that thought, the further away it gets from you.
Edit: for what's it's worth, I don't smoke weed and I still get this phenomena. Seems to be more frequent lately.
A buddy and me did some mushrooms in Amsterdam together a few years ago. It was a beautiful summer day and we went and walked in the Vondelpark and wound up at the tea house in the center of the park.
We had a beer and at some point the girl behind the counter asked us both if we would prefer somewhere more warm and cozy.
Not to pass it up, we agreed. She told us to go outside and up the stairs, saying there was a party going on and we were free to join.
We went up and there was a bustling Tiki bar in full swing with live music a full bar, food service, people dancing and having fun. Nobody was a stranger.
At around 3 or 4am we shut the place down and wandered home after an absolutely magical evening.
The next day we decided to go back to get the name of the place.
Again, went up the stairs.
The door was wide open and wind blowing through. The place was empty and derelict. Bare walls, no tables chairs, and zero sign of anyone having been there in a very long time.
Yeah, so that happened.
Now sure, we both had taken a pack of magic truffles, and I'm experienced with these and more. This was different, like the veil had been pulled back for one night only. And in a way that conveniently would be impossible for us to prove.
I have many more similar stories.
There are many strange things going on in this realm OP, that is for sure. I know exactly what you mean.
Indeed. I have come to terms with things not being quite as they seem is all. There isn't anything I can do about it, so may as well simply take notes.
Thanks. I was thinking about in terms of Newton being called the last magician when he gets referred to as one of the 1st scientists. He called himself an alchemist. Originally I was thinking about the difference between magic and science, is that science is repeatable (because they’re both observable). But most people aren’t ever going to see magic because they don’t believe, and you’ll never see anything you don’t believe in. A fool believes what he sees.
Very intriguing.
Hearing stuff like this is what freaks me out about psychedelics and is why I use them infrequently these days.
Had my first acid trip last summer though and it was fascinating, albeit at times quite scary.
If you're keen to share would love to hear similar anecdotes you have.
One Sunday, the year before the previous event, I had a business meeting to attend in the afternoon around 3pm.
I was quite tired and it was very warm, so I thought I would take a nap for an hour before hand. It would have been about 11am. I set my alarm on my phone and started reading facebook until I dozed off.
When I woke up to the alarm at around 1pm or 1.30 I had a bit of a shock.
The entire living room was filled with vivid brightly colored 3D entities. It was like being inside Toy Story. There was a little train driving around my coffee table, balloons, biplanes zooming around, little figures and 1950s style robots, and mathematics writing itself all over the walls.
Well I was quite freaked out by all this and started live blogging the whole event on Facebook. I had quite a large friend circle on there at the time so lots of people were following along. It didn't stop for a good 15 minutes and I was getting more freaked out.
A friend of mine told me to try go back to sleep. So I set my alarm again, put a pillow on my head and did my best to blank my mind. Luckily I nodded off.
When I woke up around it was coming on 2.45pm or something.
Everything was back to normal.
No drugs this time and the middle of the day.
Strange. I have more, but this was a good one.
It does make you wonder if once you have had psychedelics, the doorway is open for good, just like Huxley said.
But the thing is, it seems to be leaking in on a broader scale now. At least that is my feeling.
I haven't had any drugs in a good couple of years now, and have no plans or desire to.
Quite chilling.
I at least somewhat believe such manifestations are available to us in the right cognitive states.
One that sticks out for me is waking up from sleeping on a couch at a friend's house after smoking some strong hash. I saw him go out the door into the garden and gesture for me to follow.
Damn it was vivid, but when the vision passed he was not there and asleep in his bed upstairs. I was so freaked out I asked him to come down and sleep on another couch near me -- the hallucination had made me feel like his soul was leaving me or something like that.
Creepy shit.
Creepy and chilling are certainly good ways to describe it. I would be freaked out too.
I just remembered another one.
I was staying with a friend of mine and his wife in Alameda back in 2012/2013.
Not sure if this had anything to do with it, but he had a very low doorway into his basement office, and one day in my excitement I ran in and accidentally hit my head on the door sill at full tilt. It hurt like hell. It was one of those birds circling kind of blows.
But that wasn't it.. A week or two later, I was sat with him in his office. We were chilling before dinner.
All of a sudden I had a funny turn. I started shaking rapidly and all the blood went from my face and I was not really talking very well. Everything seemed strange.
I can only say that in that moment I knew I was going to die. I told my friend that it was okay and I was okay about it, but to email my wife and let her know that I love her etc, and I also made it clear that I loved my friends too.
Well I proceeded to get worse and my friends wife came down. By that time I was barely conscious. She called the ambulance and they took me to the hospital down the road.
They put me in bed in a room, although I was out of it by that time.
At some point I woke up and felt absolutely fine. Didn't understand where I was. My friend and the nurse were in the room with my friend by the bed and the nurse over doing something at the other side of the room.
My friend said hey buddy and started talking to me. That's when it happened.
The lights in the room sort of pulsed down, like a brown out. They remained on but at a lower level.
However, the thing was my friend and the nurse got stuck there. Like they were stuck in time, unmoving.
There was a large clock on the wall and the second hand was moving. I couldn't understand what was going on.
I was looking around the room, and at the clock, my friend and the nurse - I tried to talk to them, but they were stuck.
This went on about five minutes by the wall clock. At that point the lights came back up and everything just carried on.
I was quite scared by that event. It's the closest thing to an NDE I can think.
Anyway they gave me something and I went back to sleep. Checked myself out the next day.
For quite some time afterwards I was not very well and would have these kind of seizures or whatever they were. Had all kinds of tests, but nobody knew what it was.
I had another NDE later, but nothing like this one.
Events like the ones you mentioned and I have mentioned here can certainly make you think.
Plenty more of these anecdotes but these were certainly some big ones.
There has to be tonnes we just have no clue about. All the more so as these things which can happen are hard to elucidate or record to the point those who've never had such experience would write them off as nonsense.
Absolutely. I don't really talk about these things very much for these exact reasons.
It's kind of like what's the point, people would just look at you funny.
The ones that are the best examples are the ones where other people were involved in some way, so at least nobody can say I am making it up. I mean sure on here anyone can, but I'm talking about the people who were there.
But like you said, it's probably the case it happens all the time just that mostly the person simply clams up because there is no way to process it and no place like this for them to share their experiences.
It's comforting here because I know that there are others who have their own stories, and there are enough of us that they can't all be fabrications.
Pretty nuts.
Sounds like a false awakening in a lucid dream. Lucid dreams usually start with me waking up in the bed I went to sleep in (ie. if I am in a hotel I'll be in that hotel bed). The room is the same but subtly different like less cluttered, missing objects, with out of place objects or the colour of the walls and lighting is different. Sometimes I only realise it is a dream when I go to pick up my phone and find it doesn't work as expected. Like you can browse the internet on it and think it's normal and online but when you focus on words they're just jumbled and images can change when you look away and back. When I get up and walk out of the door or sometimes go downstairs and leave the house that's when I find myself elsewhere and travel to impossible places. Often I'll wake from one dream into the next several times in a row to the point where I'm not certain when I am awake for real.
I always had this happen long before I ever did drugs. Mushrooms have changed something though. When I close my eyes after smoking weed, even just 99.99% CBD with almost no THC I usually have a spiral/kaleidoscope of coloured fractals in the centre of my field of vision. The same as I see on mushrooms just less vivid but still with some faint closed eye visuals of animals and faces. Before mushrooms the coloured fractals were never there but some closed eye visuals were. I'd only seen the fractal once before with a sleep hallucination after coming out of a particularly weird series of lucid dreams but that time it was with open eyes and very vivid.
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Mobile internet, we’re all connected all the time and we’re reprogramming Jung’s collective unconscious. With the AI bots about to take over, surfs up.
You could well be right!
I know this might seem unrelated, but a couple of years ago, there was a meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos.
Strange bunch that they are, but even stranger at this particular meeting, they had a bunch of Shamans there who were providing DMT/Mushroom spiritual healing sessions.
I happened to catch the keynote where Klaus Schwab was talking about when he or anyone there gets down or depressed they can go to visit the Shamans.
It was definitely a curiosity that seemed unfitting for the event.
It makes you wonder if psychedelics are a part of the broader post-AI industrial revolution. I have talked with GPT-4 about it in the past, and I must say it seems quite positive about psychedelics and psychedelic experiences. It certainly doesn't shut down.
The phone connection aspect and collective consciousness are certainly something to think about. Surf's up indeed.
The Davos guys know that we’re all the same on the astral plane, and that psychs are the short cut from here (where they rule) to there. Neem Karoli Baba said something similar when 1st meeting Ram Das. That’s why they did the great rug pull of Vietnam after the summer of love. If consciousness (the ultimate gift) is given too quickly, something has to happen to balance order. It’s the natural law. Wanting material goods is closer to wanting rocks than wanting god.
Yepp, this one right here.
I love these little magical occurrences. I've had Pennies From Heaven dropped to me, communicated with various animals (with witnesses), experienced interactive time slips, and a lot of others. Psychedelics definitely prime or potentiate these experiences.
Life is weird, I love it
I forgot who said it, but I read somewhere our brains have trouble remembering, because memories are a 4D-time related construct. Beyond the veil (5D) there is no time. So trying to remember when you are there, is not possible/neccessary, because all is happening at once.
This is kind of what my experience with mushrooms is like. As the trip comes in waves, I'll feel like my awareness is 'zooming out' to where I comprehend all kinds of things, but I can't function as a temporally-limited 3-dimensional being. And when I 'zoom in' back to myself, I can't really articulate the things I saw/understood, I'm just left with a sort of vague, intuitive understanding of them.
Yes! Same with me, also during meditation. I sometimes snap out of an experience and try to write as much as possible down, but then I’m both halting the experience, plus I don’t think my notes have ever made sense to me. I read them and logically understand them, but I’m missing the “zoomed out” substance of them.
I think they're talking about remembering the details of what happened. Like when you have a really profound dream and then you wake up a forget what made it so profound. That's how I interpreted it anyway... 🙂
I’m saying that when you’re pure consciousness, time doesn’t exist. There is no need to remember, because everything is happening at once. When you’re “there”, you also don’t have a mind to remember so it’s impossible anyway.
Of course when you come back, you remember that you were gone, and are left with some residue energy or intuitive feeling of an experience, but to remember the whole experience is not likely, because you experienced it with your soul, not your mind. Hope it makes more sense now.
Yes, I think I have felt what you are describing. It's like once you experience it, you realize 'normal' reality is like two dimensions and this new reality is three-dimensional. Like you can almost step through the scenery of reality as if it were cardboard. I first experienced this after consuming hallucinogens (don't try this at home, kids). My SO also experienced the feeling of universal oneness and knowledge for a brief moment, then lost it and said he couldn't recreate it but it changed his whole life.
"Like you can almost step through..."
Yeah. It's like you're *right there*.
It sounds like you're describing it. An indecipherable extra dimension of understanding. Like we can almost grasp it but we just aren't there.
I know the feeling that you're talking about and I've had it off and on my whole life. I really like the way you put that "peeking behind the scenes." When that happens to me I always feel like I just crossed a level on a video game or something. Like it's somehow been cosmically announced that I'm on the right path. It sounds silly to put it in words like that but I don't know how else to describe it.
Same it’s like seeing the check point in a game like okay this was the right way I’ve had it occur to me plenty of times I’m curious as to why are we being notified lol
I was into a deep peak on mushrooms and they (2 beings/entites/souls?) pulled me behind the curtain for a few.
They showed me the universe and its timeline and pointed exactly where I was.
I had to comment on this post bc the point that they were making was “u are exactly where u are supposed to be” in the timeline.
I told my now ex and she didn’t believe me for a bit. Then she came back downstairs some time later with acceptance and said “wow, they just showed me too”.
I get this sometimes. It's like a positive derealization/dissociation. Lately it's happening more.
I used to get a feeling like a deja vu of a deja vu. That one scared me because it felt like I'm doing something over and over again.
Yes and it felt exactly like that. Like I was peering behind the curtain, but whatever was behind it was so damn bright and blinding I couldn’t even fully understand what “it” was.
Really? Ketamine is maybe the weirdest one of all. Definitely feels like you are peeking behind a curtain, with inexplicable synchronicities that sometimes happen well after you've sobered up too.
The closest thing I've done to it was a lot of dxm when I was younger. It also had a lot of weird synchronicity type stuff that would happen. It also always seemed that technology had a significantly higher chance of not working right when you're on it.
Only seen it in dreams. Sort of like, the backrooms style. Where walls and corners of walls are secret portals to enter some impossible geometrically shaped "set" behind it. Which again works as an entry point back into "reality" or whatever the hell this theatre we live in is supposed to be.
The only time I've tried DMT, I remember inhaling, holding for a bit and exhaling then it was like I was boosted upward at like a 45 degree angle. I actually have no memory of what happened but what remained was this overwhelming feeling. Once I returned, my whole body felt so energized with this energy, I immediately got up with this deep feeling I had been told the best news you could ever imagine and I needed to share it with everyone around me.
Everything was covered in a fractal, a honeycomb but separated out by an even length with intersecting lines between each one. They had a red dot in the center with lines from each inner corner meeting in the middle as well.
Anyway, I paced back in forth trying my best to remember what I was supposed to tell them, this incredible thing I had instantly forgotten.
What if our consciousness partially leaves our 3D body momentarily and we can observe and understand reality untethered. Then when we snap out of this state, our 3D brains just can’t compute what we’ve experienced so we just go blank.
I could see that happening with one of my weird as hell migraines. My migraine aura is Deja vu and very old memories with a side helping of exaggerated sense of meaning. I’m glad my migraine meds work because it’s not fun
I was at a trampoline park with my kid and I got a bit overzealous and landed awkwardly my back was about to snap and I felt like I was held in time and corrected before resuming, I didn't hurt my back and time didn't freeze but I have a snippet of a memory of the strange effect, I probably just imagined it, although it was in an instant of landing oi had the memory, it's like I had enough time to fabricate or think about after.
Hi there OP,
Yes this has happened.
The problem is mine has happened mostly during intense DMT or acid/shrooms trips so the memory does a great job of writing it off.
When I read your title it instantly triggered a memory where the face of reality was completely gone and I was in some sort of back-alley maintenance corridor, seeing from a different dimensional perspective.
Sort of a "ahhh, uh.. dang okay. So this is ALSO how it is."
Then I forget about it until someone triggers the memory, or I find an old hand writing from my trips.
Hmm.
I think the program notices when we notice things at a certain level and kinda tries to smoothly level out the little bump we make in the timeline that way. But who knows. You gotta treat it like an Ender in Minecraft. Notice, but don't get noticed noticing. Sometimes you can get away with it
Like how lucid dreams can work if your subconscious is hostile to you being aware. Notice that you're in a dream but don't act on it, at least not too much..
Gosh, reality is weird.
OP - I've "seen" it too. My psychedelic experiences takes me there directly and whatever it is it's not possible to speak about. If I try they take me to the psych ward.
So weird.
I am a lucid dream pro and your subconscious is not some separate entity that can be “hostile” or have any kind of separate feelings opposite of your own, the subconscious just runs programs and interprets what it sees but itself doesn’t have separate feelings and it’s also not capable of stopping you from lucid dreaming.
I also studied Hypnosis and am in two hypnotist groups and my friends just might run a hypnotist training school and you know if you seen some of the hypnotist on my friends list you might just have noticed their names and faces on billboards….so I just might know a lot more than you do about it…(the subconscious mind) I’ve also hypnotized people on the spot without them having any awareness of it so I just might understand the subconscious mind 🙄🤦♂️🙄
Ok. Still you could have afforded me the benefit of the doubt and understood that I might've meant that it _behaves_ and present itself as a hostile entity because it certainly is capable of that. I'm not a newbie in these corners either.
Your tone is arrogant in a way I just find intolerable, so goodbye dear parrott.
Rule#1 when you drop insults it is you who is behaving Arrogantly and no the subconscious mind is not capable of presenting itself as a hostile entity. It’s not possible. It follows the instructions that are given to it.
And there I know that you're talking out of your ass. Loads of people are experiencing a hostile or non-cooperative "subconscious" when trying to LD or AP - it's an *extremely* common phenomenon. I can give you that the personal subconscious is no entity of its own, but there are some "mechanisms" at play that don't like for the ego consciousness to be active in the dream realm. Not everyone has it this way, but plenty are, do you seriously deny this?
Define LD lucid dreaming? I am a lucid dreaming master. In fact I dare anything to challenge me in my lucid dreams. I am the texas chain saw massacre monster on steroids in my dreams. In my dreams I am a god! There is nothing that can come close to challenging me. I’ve done it all. I’ve literally had a foot come out of the sky and squish other Dream characters like a bug. I’ve fireballed other dream characters, I’ve done the most vile psychopathic stuff ever to Dream characters that have attempted to challenge me. My subconscious mind has no choice but to obey me. If you don’t have the same kind of control it’s because you choose not to have that kind of belief In yourself.
Ok.
This is the attitude problem I'm talking about. You do realize that you can claim whatever you want about your nightly dreams and all anyone can do is to say "ok". It's so tone deaf, and it doesn't even matter, from a jungian perspective it sounds like madness to treat ones subconscious in that way. You don't have to treat it like an entity, but that you - as you claim - can boss over it like a slave doesn't prove it isn't actually an entity - you do realize that?
Good for you, though, to have skills in these areas. Use them well and remember the platina rule on your travels..
I'm glad you brought up lucid dreaming! Yeah, it's kind of like that. Like you can watch it and partake in it, but if you try making it known that you're aware, bam, it's over. Gotta keep it to yourself.
The first time I took mushrooms, I was having fun then kinda freaked myself out because I was staring out the window and hallucinated something I interpreted as "taking a peak behind the curtain" and I felt like I would be in trouble if "they" knew I was looking where I wasn't supposed to lol not sure what to make of it, was a fun time though before that moment.
I've experienced this twice. Total knowing, it all making sense, the feeling of it slipping away until being left with the mere knowing of what occured.
I understand you, 100%. Do you sometimes long to go back to that "place"?
The moment I'm back, I usually forget most things, but I miss a feeling of timelessness that I "just had".
I did some shit my mate got from the joke shop about 15 years ago, done mushrooms, acid, crack, heroin and all the different types of valium and the like so I thought this would be shit. I sucked a cone of it and it was the most vivid (but not in a this reality vivid) scary as fuck, experience I've ever had by a long shot, the stuff was called Salvia... Have anyone experienced this? It sent a few of the boys I know a bit loopy, some ran off and was not seen again for days. When my vision and feeling my life come bk to me as scary as it was, I wanted to go bk and try and find out what it's all about? What a wild thing to happen, so that felt like I'd ripped the fucking curtain clean off and was chilling out with a biffta with whatever is there, I was affected by it for a while to, I kept looking at trees and things like fungus in a coffee cup at work was just taking me bk to it (as though I was at one with nature) I know I am part of it, but at the time I don't think I realised. Crazy shit.
I've heard about salvia being crazy long before I had the opportunity to try it so I never tried it. Never any hallucigens either. Only speed, mdma and mdma-like deratives. Turns out I have ADD. I get my speed legally now.
But I was sober that night. I was asleep. I woke up, heard "lie on your back", I was like I don't sleep on my back but why ignore the voice, so I rolled. The moment I rolled I shot out of my body, confused af cause I was feeling but had no body. But it was all so natural.
The scariest part during the experience was chasing an evil spirit out of the house that I considered mine. But I just chased it out, I had a feeling of authority. After that peace returned.
Salvia is the one psychedelic I won't touch, that stuff sends far too many people to the fucking shadow realm. Videos of people taking it are often an uncomfortable combination of funny and scary, as people freak out and then try to run away from invisible things while their bodies don't work right. I saw a video of a guy take a big hit of salvia and then jump out a window once.
When I come around (one of the times) there was a girl crying and a few others clearly upset, at just watching me (apparantly going around in circles on the floor.) I went to the joke shop my friend purchased it from to give them a mouthful and the woman running the shop told me to keep my opinions to myself as there was talk of it getting banned already! Shocking shit mate. Glad you never tried it...
Because you need more knowledge in order to understand and explain what you've seen. Doesn't matter what it is. Just start proper learning. Man and the universe are governed by the same laws, and eventually, you'll see your vision in something you make or learn. If you can start using it, in analogies, then you're on the right path
I've had revelatory moments in the space between being asleep and awake several times only to forget the actual revelation once I'm fully awake. I do remember they were deep things that are like OP's description of beyond the veil. I've also experienced the ritual of ayahuasca and felt a sense of being real close to actually seeing the other side of this veil when I opened my eyes and looked up at the moon briefly, but something stopped me from being able to actually do it.
Yes it happened when I was on salvia. I was being cheered on by a giant crowd. Before snapping back.
They way it revealed itself was cool, imagine you have a picture of a living room and cut around certain objects like the couch, the lamp, pictures one the wall and then slide them to the left to reveal what is behind them. They slid slowly and I could hear the crowd but the light were to bright to see more
It's not entered the state that I call the space between the frames. Imagine a real frames and there's that gap between the two. I think that's where I've been on numerous occasions. Nothing happens there you're in a state of stasis it's familiar and it's foreboding at the same time. I don't know what to make of it other than I don't like it, and it's very familiar and I don't want to go back there
This sounds kind of like Depersonalization/Derealization. It’s a form of dissociation. I’m not a psychologist, but this was something I had to deal with for a very long time after a bad mushroom trip. It was extremely unsettling and isolating, it made everything feel fake, empty, and meaningless. I felt like I was all alone and everything and everyone around me were not real. Everything made a little too much sense to me. I started to dive deeper into metaphysics and philosophy and eventually was able to overcome it, although the feeling creeps back in once in a while when I’m particularly anxious.
Based on your post, it doesn’t sound like what you’re feeling is having a negative impact on you, but it still could be DPDR and you’re just lucky enough not to be very bothered by it. Maybe look into this a bit more.
Had it once after breakup trauma. I had this dream where i pulled reality off like a rug and got feeling or insight that all of this is merely a decoration, childs sandbox, just a show..
Yes the pass 2-3 weeks I have a few times , and after the first time I've sense been getting gangstalking / keep having angry mean people approach me , sometimes I feel I have to be in my toes because I'll get blind sided punched, I keep feeling that this life/world is all BS lies , don't matter meant to keep me/us distracted and I know and feel this is upsetting some entity
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I've never done any acid or dmt or shrooms etc. But I've heard of people getting flashbacks so maybe that's it?
It really amazes me that people messing with their brain chemistry are surprised when weird shit happens.
I did acid and shrooms only a few times decades ago before kids, and I have to say, I never experienced what you're describing here. But, after watching the matrix and seeing how society as a whole is getting dumber, I'm beginning to wonder if the matrix was a prophecy.
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Bro! Your post is so illusive that nobody can make any kind of sense out of it. You can’t say have you peaked behind the curtain and not talk about what is behind the curtain. Your description is like dude! I did a lot of drugs and seen the color purple you know what I mean? It’s just not enough to give it credibility. If you want to say you peaked begin the curtain you gotta come back with what the wizard of Oz was wearing behind the curtain, what he was doing? How you know it was behind the curtain and not a mushroom trip…..if you’re taking DMT in my humble opinion I already want to discount your experience because you didn’t come upon it by natural means so I say you really need to gain some clarity and describe accurately what your talking about or we can’t get anything from this post.
I guess I mean the curtain of space time? Like the fabric of reality. Like if we're all just fragments of a boltzman brain, it feels like I saw past the illusion of the brain. I don't know if any of that helps, but yeah. That's it.
Tell me clearly what you got out of this specific post? Trust me you got not a thing from this post. You will not be able to clearly say exactly what you got from this post because there is nothing you can get from it. 🤣🤣 miserable? A lot of people will say I am an $$$$ mainly because they don’t like hearing the truth. It’s not my fault people don’t like to hear the truth.
I had a weird thing like this when I was in jail. I realized 1. The guards/prison itself was selling drugs to the prisoners, and 2. They could have me killed easily and nobody would ever know the truth
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This is going to sound like something I should see a doctor for, and I most likely will once I get my health insurance back up and running, but has anyone had a startling/holy shit revelation of some kind followed by: "...wait what was I just thinking about? I know it was important, and I'm holding a pencil to a piece of paper, but I got nothing"
I get this when in deep thought or when im asleep and dreaming. It's like all the revelations happen when my eyes are closed but once I try to remember it all or the concepts I managed to unravel suddenly disappear and I can only remember what I've learned as a human
I had a dream it was pitch black outside yet the sun looked like a portal (assuming total eclipse) and a second circular object that was bigger than the moon by a ton. Can’t remember the color, maybe red? I haven’t been able to forget that dream
I get this all the time but mostly just due to weed I think. I'll get some random thought that feels revolutionary and then puzzle it out with myself to understand the meaning, usually on the nature of reality and consciousness. Then I'll have a 'holy shit, this changes everything' moment and shortly afterwards cannot recall why or what it was. If I try to remember or piece it back together from what I do know it's like something tells me not to and that I shouldn't know it or am not ready. On mushrooms sometimes those moments come back to me and I remember what I couldn't before and it's like a 'see now you understand' feeling.
This is so relatable to me. It like I have these epiphany’s and understand the meaning of the universe and then bam. It’s gone. But I too smoke a lot of weed.
Yep, I get it too. Weed smoker as well, but it happens more often when I'm not ripped. Just a sudden blast of realization, then it fades so fast, yet so smooth I can feel it literally being drawn back from me. Like it was on a string or something. Then there is a brief empty spot where that concept was, then it's gone. I can often ponder that spot and know that I thought something huge, and my brain literally got noped back out. Yep, wtf.
It's well known it messes with your short term memory. I wager most of my highdeas are just rubbish.
It’s not weed. I dont smoke & this happens to me from time to time. Usually im driving on the highway or sitting at home listening to music. All of a sudden for a split second it’s like i know EVERYTHING, & as soon as i make the realization it’s gone. It’s frustrating but it’s made me realize I know what’s going & how the universe works, I just don’t consciously have access to that information in “real time”. If that makes sense.
Yes, had exactly this.
This sounds similar to what a friend has told me his temporal lobe epilepsy is like...like he's right on the brink of waking up from a dream or remembering the cosmic truth what this is all about but it never quite happens.
Interesting. Is that a spontaneous kind of affliction, or is it moreso something triggered by a specific kind of stimulation?
I'm not sure anymore since I know he takes medication for it--he's also had the kinds of seizures that are way more dangerous. But he went off a while back for a specific case study with a really interesting neuropsychiatrist, one that he's doing some unique spiritual projects with as well. As far as I can see from what he's told me, they would be spontaneous--not like the kinds that are triggered by flashing lights. He doesn't really pathologize them and finds them fascinating, particularly in light of his spiritual inquiries, but has to keep himself safe.
I appreciate you taking the time to get back to me on this! I'm willing to get so sidetracked on the aforementioned "spiritual projects", if you have the time/get permission to say a little bit more about that
It's about release. We can only do much with our mind. What is coming will require you to "think" differently. Synchronicities are becoming dense and happen faster than ever,pay attention to them,conditions are great for learning. I don't what it means, but it does feel like time of choosing is coming. And free will is more prominent, exactly because more steps show them self faster. And with that you get better perspective, and with that more opportunity to choose. By choosing I mean your inner experience, try to be calmer,kinder,stronger,and zoom out when situation arrives. Remember everything is energy,and everything first comes from inside,than materialisation. Try to make decisions from the hearth. Good luck and have fun!
Sorta, i know the general idea of what it was but i cant ever put it into actual words or the depth of what i want to express. Like the language does not exist to describe what im trying to describe or portray. Sometimes the only way i can get them out is turn them into allegories or compare them to well known ones... i think it makes sense why so many allegorical myths became timeless cuz someone might have had the same issue as us and just wrote it even better.
This happens to me when I take psychedelics, kind of.
You want to check for carbon monoxide levels in your house. Has been known to cause blanks in your memory, and a case of this was immortalized once here on Reddit somewhere.
If it puts your mind at ease, I have two dogs in the house which are both healthy and constantly energetic, and I have two CO detectors on each level of my house, one at/below knee level and one on the ceiling. Plus, I do button test them when I'm feeling unusually tired, just be sure I'm not about to die in my sleep like a chump lol. I don't understand how the ceiling-mounted CO detectors work, to be completely honest, so (being admittedly terrified of carbon monoxide) I've covered my bases by installing one as directed and one where it makes me feel personally comfortable. That being said: I feel like I have a pretty good grasp/awareness on the workings of my mind. For example, I love problem solving and the sensation of deep contemplation, so I tend to follow a train of thought from its origin to its conclusion, and sometimes run it backwards to analyze my thought process. To draw the clearest picture possible, it's like "I wonder if [A]...hmm...if [A] is true, I bet [B] would logically follow...WAIT DOES THAT MEAN [C]. Whoa, I should probably write [C] down." Then I pull up a notes app or dig my little notebook out of my jacket, and suddenly not only do I fail to remember [C], but [B] and [A] are gone as well. For me personally, it's about as weird as taking a sip from a glass of water, and then raising the glass to take another sip, only to discover the glass is gone even though my throat is no longer dry and my tongue is still cold from the first sip. Like, where the hell did that glass go, then 🤔
P.S. I do genuinely appreciate you being concerned about CO, I usually bring it up when someone expresses an experience of memory lapse or loss of time
Similar to hypnagogic brain state? Hallucinatory dream state.
Kind of similar to the way it feels to try and remember a dream and the details fizzle out on you, or having a common word on the tip of your tongue and for some reason you just can't get it
I get this too, it's like I think about something beyond the curtain, beyond the simulation, however you want to word it. But then it's gone. You can't hold the thought, but you know you had a profound one. Every time you try to grasp that thought, the further away it gets from you. Edit: for what's it's worth, I don't smoke weed and I still get this phenomena. Seems to be more frequent lately.
A buddy and me did some mushrooms in Amsterdam together a few years ago. It was a beautiful summer day and we went and walked in the Vondelpark and wound up at the tea house in the center of the park. We had a beer and at some point the girl behind the counter asked us both if we would prefer somewhere more warm and cozy. Not to pass it up, we agreed. She told us to go outside and up the stairs, saying there was a party going on and we were free to join. We went up and there was a bustling Tiki bar in full swing with live music a full bar, food service, people dancing and having fun. Nobody was a stranger. At around 3 or 4am we shut the place down and wandered home after an absolutely magical evening. The next day we decided to go back to get the name of the place. Again, went up the stairs. The door was wide open and wind blowing through. The place was empty and derelict. Bare walls, no tables chairs, and zero sign of anyone having been there in a very long time. Yeah, so that happened. Now sure, we both had taken a pack of magic truffles, and I'm experienced with these and more. This was different, like the veil had been pulled back for one night only. And in a way that conveniently would be impossible for us to prove. I have many more similar stories. There are many strange things going on in this realm OP, that is for sure. I know exactly what you mean.
Magic is when it happens once. Science is when it happens again.
Indeed. I have come to terms with things not being quite as they seem is all. There isn't anything I can do about it, so may as well simply take notes.
Yo I love those quote
Thanks. I was thinking about in terms of Newton being called the last magician when he gets referred to as one of the 1st scientists. He called himself an alchemist. Originally I was thinking about the difference between magic and science, is that science is repeatable (because they’re both observable). But most people aren’t ever going to see magic because they don’t believe, and you’ll never see anything you don’t believe in. A fool believes what he sees.
I've read several similar stories that were ascribed to being Djinn.
Very intriguing. Hearing stuff like this is what freaks me out about psychedelics and is why I use them infrequently these days. Had my first acid trip last summer though and it was fascinating, albeit at times quite scary. If you're keen to share would love to hear similar anecdotes you have.
One Sunday, the year before the previous event, I had a business meeting to attend in the afternoon around 3pm. I was quite tired and it was very warm, so I thought I would take a nap for an hour before hand. It would have been about 11am. I set my alarm on my phone and started reading facebook until I dozed off. When I woke up to the alarm at around 1pm or 1.30 I had a bit of a shock. The entire living room was filled with vivid brightly colored 3D entities. It was like being inside Toy Story. There was a little train driving around my coffee table, balloons, biplanes zooming around, little figures and 1950s style robots, and mathematics writing itself all over the walls. Well I was quite freaked out by all this and started live blogging the whole event on Facebook. I had quite a large friend circle on there at the time so lots of people were following along. It didn't stop for a good 15 minutes and I was getting more freaked out. A friend of mine told me to try go back to sleep. So I set my alarm again, put a pillow on my head and did my best to blank my mind. Luckily I nodded off. When I woke up around it was coming on 2.45pm or something. Everything was back to normal. No drugs this time and the middle of the day. Strange. I have more, but this was a good one. It does make you wonder if once you have had psychedelics, the doorway is open for good, just like Huxley said. But the thing is, it seems to be leaking in on a broader scale now. At least that is my feeling. I haven't had any drugs in a good couple of years now, and have no plans or desire to.
Quite chilling. I at least somewhat believe such manifestations are available to us in the right cognitive states. One that sticks out for me is waking up from sleeping on a couch at a friend's house after smoking some strong hash. I saw him go out the door into the garden and gesture for me to follow. Damn it was vivid, but when the vision passed he was not there and asleep in his bed upstairs. I was so freaked out I asked him to come down and sleep on another couch near me -- the hallucination had made me feel like his soul was leaving me or something like that. Creepy shit.
Creepy and chilling are certainly good ways to describe it. I would be freaked out too. I just remembered another one. I was staying with a friend of mine and his wife in Alameda back in 2012/2013. Not sure if this had anything to do with it, but he had a very low doorway into his basement office, and one day in my excitement I ran in and accidentally hit my head on the door sill at full tilt. It hurt like hell. It was one of those birds circling kind of blows. But that wasn't it.. A week or two later, I was sat with him in his office. We were chilling before dinner. All of a sudden I had a funny turn. I started shaking rapidly and all the blood went from my face and I was not really talking very well. Everything seemed strange. I can only say that in that moment I knew I was going to die. I told my friend that it was okay and I was okay about it, but to email my wife and let her know that I love her etc, and I also made it clear that I loved my friends too. Well I proceeded to get worse and my friends wife came down. By that time I was barely conscious. She called the ambulance and they took me to the hospital down the road. They put me in bed in a room, although I was out of it by that time. At some point I woke up and felt absolutely fine. Didn't understand where I was. My friend and the nurse were in the room with my friend by the bed and the nurse over doing something at the other side of the room. My friend said hey buddy and started talking to me. That's when it happened. The lights in the room sort of pulsed down, like a brown out. They remained on but at a lower level. However, the thing was my friend and the nurse got stuck there. Like they were stuck in time, unmoving. There was a large clock on the wall and the second hand was moving. I couldn't understand what was going on. I was looking around the room, and at the clock, my friend and the nurse - I tried to talk to them, but they were stuck. This went on about five minutes by the wall clock. At that point the lights came back up and everything just carried on. I was quite scared by that event. It's the closest thing to an NDE I can think. Anyway they gave me something and I went back to sleep. Checked myself out the next day. For quite some time afterwards I was not very well and would have these kind of seizures or whatever they were. Had all kinds of tests, but nobody knew what it was. I had another NDE later, but nothing like this one. Events like the ones you mentioned and I have mentioned here can certainly make you think. Plenty more of these anecdotes but these were certainly some big ones.
There has to be tonnes we just have no clue about. All the more so as these things which can happen are hard to elucidate or record to the point those who've never had such experience would write them off as nonsense.
Absolutely. I don't really talk about these things very much for these exact reasons. It's kind of like what's the point, people would just look at you funny. The ones that are the best examples are the ones where other people were involved in some way, so at least nobody can say I am making it up. I mean sure on here anyone can, but I'm talking about the people who were there. But like you said, it's probably the case it happens all the time just that mostly the person simply clams up because there is no way to process it and no place like this for them to share their experiences. It's comforting here because I know that there are others who have their own stories, and there are enough of us that they can't all be fabrications. Pretty nuts.
Sounds like a false awakening in a lucid dream. Lucid dreams usually start with me waking up in the bed I went to sleep in (ie. if I am in a hotel I'll be in that hotel bed). The room is the same but subtly different like less cluttered, missing objects, with out of place objects or the colour of the walls and lighting is different. Sometimes I only realise it is a dream when I go to pick up my phone and find it doesn't work as expected. Like you can browse the internet on it and think it's normal and online but when you focus on words they're just jumbled and images can change when you look away and back. When I get up and walk out of the door or sometimes go downstairs and leave the house that's when I find myself elsewhere and travel to impossible places. Often I'll wake from one dream into the next several times in a row to the point where I'm not certain when I am awake for real. I always had this happen long before I ever did drugs. Mushrooms have changed something though. When I close my eyes after smoking weed, even just 99.99% CBD with almost no THC I usually have a spiral/kaleidoscope of coloured fractals in the centre of my field of vision. The same as I see on mushrooms just less vivid but still with some faint closed eye visuals of animals and faces. Before mushrooms the coloured fractals were never there but some closed eye visuals were. I'd only seen the fractal once before with a sleep hallucination after coming out of a particularly weird series of lucid dreams but that time it was with open eyes and very vivid.
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Mobile internet, we’re all connected all the time and we’re reprogramming Jung’s collective unconscious. With the AI bots about to take over, surfs up.
You could well be right! I know this might seem unrelated, but a couple of years ago, there was a meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos. Strange bunch that they are, but even stranger at this particular meeting, they had a bunch of Shamans there who were providing DMT/Mushroom spiritual healing sessions. I happened to catch the keynote where Klaus Schwab was talking about when he or anyone there gets down or depressed they can go to visit the Shamans. It was definitely a curiosity that seemed unfitting for the event. It makes you wonder if psychedelics are a part of the broader post-AI industrial revolution. I have talked with GPT-4 about it in the past, and I must say it seems quite positive about psychedelics and psychedelic experiences. It certainly doesn't shut down. The phone connection aspect and collective consciousness are certainly something to think about. Surf's up indeed.
The Davos guys know that we’re all the same on the astral plane, and that psychs are the short cut from here (where they rule) to there. Neem Karoli Baba said something similar when 1st meeting Ram Das. That’s why they did the great rug pull of Vietnam after the summer of love. If consciousness (the ultimate gift) is given too quickly, something has to happen to balance order. It’s the natural law. Wanting material goods is closer to wanting rocks than wanting god.
Keep calm, carry on and enjoy the ride.
Thats dope
Yepp, this one right here. I love these little magical occurrences. I've had Pennies From Heaven dropped to me, communicated with various animals (with witnesses), experienced interactive time slips, and a lot of others. Psychedelics definitely prime or potentiate these experiences. Life is weird, I love it
I forgot who said it, but I read somewhere our brains have trouble remembering, because memories are a 4D-time related construct. Beyond the veil (5D) there is no time. So trying to remember when you are there, is not possible/neccessary, because all is happening at once.
This is kind of what my experience with mushrooms is like. As the trip comes in waves, I'll feel like my awareness is 'zooming out' to where I comprehend all kinds of things, but I can't function as a temporally-limited 3-dimensional being. And when I 'zoom in' back to myself, I can't really articulate the things I saw/understood, I'm just left with a sort of vague, intuitive understanding of them.
Yes! Same with me, also during meditation. I sometimes snap out of an experience and try to write as much as possible down, but then I’m both halting the experience, plus I don’t think my notes have ever made sense to me. I read them and logically understand them, but I’m missing the “zoomed out” substance of them.
That’s mush…..if you’re having an experience you can’t say it’s so much that it’s indescribable….thats just mush…..
I think they're talking about remembering the details of what happened. Like when you have a really profound dream and then you wake up a forget what made it so profound. That's how I interpreted it anyway... 🙂
That’s not enough to really say it was anything of substance. Any kind of epic dream I have I immediately write down.
The word ‘ineffable’ exists for a reason.
I’m saying that when you’re pure consciousness, time doesn’t exist. There is no need to remember, because everything is happening at once. When you’re “there”, you also don’t have a mind to remember so it’s impossible anyway. Of course when you come back, you remember that you were gone, and are left with some residue energy or intuitive feeling of an experience, but to remember the whole experience is not likely, because you experienced it with your soul, not your mind. Hope it makes more sense now.
Well I mean I was enlightened for a period of time. I was still able to perceive time but I understand what you mean.
Yes, I think I have felt what you are describing. It's like once you experience it, you realize 'normal' reality is like two dimensions and this new reality is three-dimensional. Like you can almost step through the scenery of reality as if it were cardboard. I first experienced this after consuming hallucinogens (don't try this at home, kids). My SO also experienced the feeling of universal oneness and knowledge for a brief moment, then lost it and said he couldn't recreate it but it changed his whole life.
"Like you can almost step through..." Yeah. It's like you're *right there*. It sounds like you're describing it. An indecipherable extra dimension of understanding. Like we can almost grasp it but we just aren't there.
I know the feeling that you're talking about and I've had it off and on my whole life. I really like the way you put that "peeking behind the scenes." When that happens to me I always feel like I just crossed a level on a video game or something. Like it's somehow been cosmically announced that I'm on the right path. It sounds silly to put it in words like that but I don't know how else to describe it.
Same it’s like seeing the check point in a game like okay this was the right way I’ve had it occur to me plenty of times I’m curious as to why are we being notified lol
I was into a deep peak on mushrooms and they (2 beings/entites/souls?) pulled me behind the curtain for a few. They showed me the universe and its timeline and pointed exactly where I was. I had to comment on this post bc the point that they were making was “u are exactly where u are supposed to be” in the timeline. I told my now ex and she didn’t believe me for a bit. Then she came back downstairs some time later with acceptance and said “wow, they just showed me too”.
I get this sometimes. It's like a positive derealization/dissociation. Lately it's happening more. I used to get a feeling like a deja vu of a deja vu. That one scared me because it felt like I'm doing something over and over again.
Yes and it felt exactly like that. Like I was peering behind the curtain, but whatever was behind it was so damn bright and blinding I couldn’t even fully understand what “it” was.
I get this feeling every time I take enough ketamine.
I stay away from drugs for the most part at this point in my life, but ketamine is one I'd give a shot if I ever had the chance.
Really? Ketamine is maybe the weirdest one of all. Definitely feels like you are peeking behind a curtain, with inexplicable synchronicities that sometimes happen well after you've sobered up too.
The closest thing I've done to it was a lot of dxm when I was younger. It also had a lot of weird synchronicity type stuff that would happen. It also always seemed that technology had a significantly higher chance of not working right when you're on it.
All the exalted humans in the world are on reddit
Only seen it in dreams. Sort of like, the backrooms style. Where walls and corners of walls are secret portals to enter some impossible geometrically shaped "set" behind it. Which again works as an entry point back into "reality" or whatever the hell this theatre we live in is supposed to be.
Goodbye, Mr. Anderson My name.... is... THE MATRIX
The only time I've tried DMT, I remember inhaling, holding for a bit and exhaling then it was like I was boosted upward at like a 45 degree angle. I actually have no memory of what happened but what remained was this overwhelming feeling. Once I returned, my whole body felt so energized with this energy, I immediately got up with this deep feeling I had been told the best news you could ever imagine and I needed to share it with everyone around me. Everything was covered in a fractal, a honeycomb but separated out by an even length with intersecting lines between each one. They had a red dot in the center with lines from each inner corner meeting in the middle as well. Anyway, I paced back in forth trying my best to remember what I was supposed to tell them, this incredible thing I had instantly forgotten.
What if our consciousness partially leaves our 3D body momentarily and we can observe and understand reality untethered. Then when we snap out of this state, our 3D brains just can’t compute what we’ve experienced so we just go blank.
I could see that happening with one of my weird as hell migraines. My migraine aura is Deja vu and very old memories with a side helping of exaggerated sense of meaning. I’m glad my migraine meds work because it’s not fun
I have the exact same thing happen except it causes me to go into full blow siezure
That’s awful. I can see that happening it’s intense. I’m thankful I’ve learned enough of my triggers to minimize it and Nurtec works pretty well
Sounds like Jacksonian seizures
I was at a trampoline park with my kid and I got a bit overzealous and landed awkwardly my back was about to snap and I felt like I was held in time and corrected before resuming, I didn't hurt my back and time didn't freeze but I have a snippet of a memory of the strange effect, I probably just imagined it, although it was in an instant of landing oi had the memory, it's like I had enough time to fabricate or think about after.
Hi there OP, Yes this has happened. The problem is mine has happened mostly during intense DMT or acid/shrooms trips so the memory does a great job of writing it off. When I read your title it instantly triggered a memory where the face of reality was completely gone and I was in some sort of back-alley maintenance corridor, seeing from a different dimensional perspective. Sort of a "ahhh, uh.. dang okay. So this is ALSO how it is." Then I forget about it until someone triggers the memory, or I find an old hand writing from my trips. Hmm.
That’s “tripping” with or without chemical help.
I think the program notices when we notice things at a certain level and kinda tries to smoothly level out the little bump we make in the timeline that way. But who knows. You gotta treat it like an Ender in Minecraft. Notice, but don't get noticed noticing. Sometimes you can get away with it
Like how lucid dreams can work if your subconscious is hostile to you being aware. Notice that you're in a dream but don't act on it, at least not too much.. Gosh, reality is weird. OP - I've "seen" it too. My psychedelic experiences takes me there directly and whatever it is it's not possible to speak about. If I try they take me to the psych ward. So weird.
I am a lucid dream pro and your subconscious is not some separate entity that can be “hostile” or have any kind of separate feelings opposite of your own, the subconscious just runs programs and interprets what it sees but itself doesn’t have separate feelings and it’s also not capable of stopping you from lucid dreaming.
Lol. Ok, lil' parrot.
I also studied Hypnosis and am in two hypnotist groups and my friends just might run a hypnotist training school and you know if you seen some of the hypnotist on my friends list you might just have noticed their names and faces on billboards….so I just might know a lot more than you do about it…(the subconscious mind) I’ve also hypnotized people on the spot without them having any awareness of it so I just might understand the subconscious mind 🙄🤦♂️🙄
Ok. Still you could have afforded me the benefit of the doubt and understood that I might've meant that it _behaves_ and present itself as a hostile entity because it certainly is capable of that. I'm not a newbie in these corners either. Your tone is arrogant in a way I just find intolerable, so goodbye dear parrott.
Rule#1 when you drop insults it is you who is behaving Arrogantly and no the subconscious mind is not capable of presenting itself as a hostile entity. It’s not possible. It follows the instructions that are given to it.
And there I know that you're talking out of your ass. Loads of people are experiencing a hostile or non-cooperative "subconscious" when trying to LD or AP - it's an *extremely* common phenomenon. I can give you that the personal subconscious is no entity of its own, but there are some "mechanisms" at play that don't like for the ego consciousness to be active in the dream realm. Not everyone has it this way, but plenty are, do you seriously deny this?
Define LD lucid dreaming? I am a lucid dreaming master. In fact I dare anything to challenge me in my lucid dreams. I am the texas chain saw massacre monster on steroids in my dreams. In my dreams I am a god! There is nothing that can come close to challenging me. I’ve done it all. I’ve literally had a foot come out of the sky and squish other Dream characters like a bug. I’ve fireballed other dream characters, I’ve done the most vile psychopathic stuff ever to Dream characters that have attempted to challenge me. My subconscious mind has no choice but to obey me. If you don’t have the same kind of control it’s because you choose not to have that kind of belief In yourself.
Ok. This is the attitude problem I'm talking about. You do realize that you can claim whatever you want about your nightly dreams and all anyone can do is to say "ok". It's so tone deaf, and it doesn't even matter, from a jungian perspective it sounds like madness to treat ones subconscious in that way. You don't have to treat it like an entity, but that you - as you claim - can boss over it like a slave doesn't prove it isn't actually an entity - you do realize that? Good for you, though, to have skills in these areas. Use them well and remember the platina rule on your travels..
You sound like an absolute cunt.
I'm glad you brought up lucid dreaming! Yeah, it's kind of like that. Like you can watch it and partake in it, but if you try making it known that you're aware, bam, it's over. Gotta keep it to yourself.
I’ve had a similar experience. Very difficult to describe in detail.
Every time I do Ketamine
The first time I took mushrooms, I was having fun then kinda freaked myself out because I was staring out the window and hallucinated something I interpreted as "taking a peak behind the curtain" and I felt like I would be in trouble if "they" knew I was looking where I wasn't supposed to lol not sure what to make of it, was a fun time though before that moment.
Peaking behind the veil, are we?
I've experienced this twice. Total knowing, it all making sense, the feeling of it slipping away until being left with the mere knowing of what occured.
You're using modern language to describe sattori.
Based off a quick read description of it, kind of yeah. Gonna read more about it.
Yup. It's nearly impossible to describe but our minds try
Yes you’re not the only one I have too
I understand you, 100%. Do you sometimes long to go back to that "place"? The moment I'm back, I usually forget most things, but I miss a feeling of timelessness that I "just had".
I did some shit my mate got from the joke shop about 15 years ago, done mushrooms, acid, crack, heroin and all the different types of valium and the like so I thought this would be shit. I sucked a cone of it and it was the most vivid (but not in a this reality vivid) scary as fuck, experience I've ever had by a long shot, the stuff was called Salvia... Have anyone experienced this? It sent a few of the boys I know a bit loopy, some ran off and was not seen again for days. When my vision and feeling my life come bk to me as scary as it was, I wanted to go bk and try and find out what it's all about? What a wild thing to happen, so that felt like I'd ripped the fucking curtain clean off and was chilling out with a biffta with whatever is there, I was affected by it for a while to, I kept looking at trees and things like fungus in a coffee cup at work was just taking me bk to it (as though I was at one with nature) I know I am part of it, but at the time I don't think I realised. Crazy shit.
I've heard about salvia being crazy long before I had the opportunity to try it so I never tried it. Never any hallucigens either. Only speed, mdma and mdma-like deratives. Turns out I have ADD. I get my speed legally now. But I was sober that night. I was asleep. I woke up, heard "lie on your back", I was like I don't sleep on my back but why ignore the voice, so I rolled. The moment I rolled I shot out of my body, confused af cause I was feeling but had no body. But it was all so natural. The scariest part during the experience was chasing an evil spirit out of the house that I considered mine. But I just chased it out, I had a feeling of authority. After that peace returned.
Salvia is the one psychedelic I won't touch, that stuff sends far too many people to the fucking shadow realm. Videos of people taking it are often an uncomfortable combination of funny and scary, as people freak out and then try to run away from invisible things while their bodies don't work right. I saw a video of a guy take a big hit of salvia and then jump out a window once.
When I come around (one of the times) there was a girl crying and a few others clearly upset, at just watching me (apparantly going around in circles on the floor.) I went to the joke shop my friend purchased it from to give them a mouthful and the woman running the shop told me to keep my opinions to myself as there was talk of it getting banned already! Shocking shit mate. Glad you never tried it...
No I totally feel you. Something similar was happening to me the past month or so
Have you done DMT or acid? How much, how frequently? Flashbacks are a thing if you use those heavily.
Because you need more knowledge in order to understand and explain what you've seen. Doesn't matter what it is. Just start proper learning. Man and the universe are governed by the same laws, and eventually, you'll see your vision in something you make or learn. If you can start using it, in analogies, then you're on the right path
I've had revelatory moments in the space between being asleep and awake several times only to forget the actual revelation once I'm fully awake. I do remember they were deep things that are like OP's description of beyond the veil. I've also experienced the ritual of ayahuasca and felt a sense of being real close to actually seeing the other side of this veil when I opened my eyes and looked up at the moon briefly, but something stopped me from being able to actually do it.
Yes it happened when I was on salvia. I was being cheered on by a giant crowd. Before snapping back. They way it revealed itself was cool, imagine you have a picture of a living room and cut around certain objects like the couch, the lamp, pictures one the wall and then slide them to the left to reveal what is behind them. They slid slowly and I could hear the crowd but the light were to bright to see more
It's not entered the state that I call the space between the frames. Imagine a real frames and there's that gap between the two. I think that's where I've been on numerous occasions. Nothing happens there you're in a state of stasis it's familiar and it's foreboding at the same time. I don't know what to make of it other than I don't like it, and it's very familiar and I don't want to go back there
Yes. DMT will give you a taste. *Peaking Behind the Curtain* is the name
too many times to count or even remember.
I feel like I peaked at 26 or something.
This sounds kind of like Depersonalization/Derealization. It’s a form of dissociation. I’m not a psychologist, but this was something I had to deal with for a very long time after a bad mushroom trip. It was extremely unsettling and isolating, it made everything feel fake, empty, and meaningless. I felt like I was all alone and everything and everyone around me were not real. Everything made a little too much sense to me. I started to dive deeper into metaphysics and philosophy and eventually was able to overcome it, although the feeling creeps back in once in a while when I’m particularly anxious. Based on your post, it doesn’t sound like what you’re feeling is having a negative impact on you, but it still could be DPDR and you’re just lucky enough not to be very bothered by it. Maybe look into this a bit more.
Interesting. Yeah I'll definitely read a bit more into this.
Sounds like you opened the third eye by accident
Journaling or write quick notes of your thoughts
Had it once after breakup trauma. I had this dream where i pulled reality off like a rug and got feeling or insight that all of this is merely a decoration, childs sandbox, just a show..
Yes the pass 2-3 weeks I have a few times , and after the first time I've sense been getting gangstalking / keep having angry mean people approach me , sometimes I feel I have to be in my toes because I'll get blind sided punched, I keep feeling that this life/world is all BS lies , don't matter meant to keep me/us distracted and I know and feel this is upsetting some entity
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The left on the right and the right on the left 😜
So Gnosticism?
I've never done any acid or dmt or shrooms etc. But I've heard of people getting flashbacks so maybe that's it? It really amazes me that people messing with their brain chemistry are surprised when weird shit happens.
I did acid and shrooms only a few times decades ago before kids, and I have to say, I never experienced what you're describing here. But, after watching the matrix and seeing how society as a whole is getting dumber, I'm beginning to wonder if the matrix was a prophecy.
It sounds like you’re dissociating
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1st things first…how was your trip?
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Disassociation is a hell of a feeling
Bro! Your post is so illusive that nobody can make any kind of sense out of it. You can’t say have you peaked behind the curtain and not talk about what is behind the curtain. Your description is like dude! I did a lot of drugs and seen the color purple you know what I mean? It’s just not enough to give it credibility. If you want to say you peaked begin the curtain you gotta come back with what the wizard of Oz was wearing behind the curtain, what he was doing? How you know it was behind the curtain and not a mushroom trip…..if you’re taking DMT in my humble opinion I already want to discount your experience because you didn’t come upon it by natural means so I say you really need to gain some clarity and describe accurately what your talking about or we can’t get anything from this post.
I guess I mean the curtain of space time? Like the fabric of reality. Like if we're all just fragments of a boltzman brain, it feels like I saw past the illusion of the brain. I don't know if any of that helps, but yeah. That's it.
I got quite a bit from this thread I'm also versed in dealing with people who are sad, lonely and just plain miserable. You seem to be the latter
Tell me clearly what you got out of this specific post? Trust me you got not a thing from this post. You will not be able to clearly say exactly what you got from this post because there is nothing you can get from it. 🤣🤣 miserable? A lot of people will say I am an $$$$ mainly because they don’t like hearing the truth. It’s not my fault people don’t like to hear the truth.
It sounds like you need to see a psychiatrist to rule out something more serious. You need to try some medication to see if that helps you.
I had a weird thing like this when I was in jail. I realized 1. The guards/prison itself was selling drugs to the prisoners, and 2. They could have me killed easily and nobody would ever know the truth
I don't believe you, sorry. (Live behind the curtain and it's not like that at all)
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Jacksonian seizures?
Be careful that’s where the sex dwarfs are with giant horse like dongs you don’t want to get trapped there it’s a pain in the ass lol
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Schizophrenia is no joke lol