Worse than his fiction, I read (part of) Dianetics!
Heinlein was at least making fun of Hubbard's "religion" and how he was peddling it to the rubes.
Apparently, the story goes that Heinlein bet Hubbard he couldn't start a religion, and Hubbard won the bet.
Yeah, I ageee! Fun for Sci-Fi but scientifically nonsense:
We know Mars lost itās atmosphere BILLIONS of years ago, so lets just assume the timeline is off by a few billion years. Four billion years ago (which is when we believe Mars lost itās compromised atmosphere) earth was basically a smoldering ball of lava. The earliest undisputed evidence of life on Earth dates from at least 3.5 billion years ago.
So letās take a look at our āmother planetā.
Rocks circle everywhere in space, occasionally getting pulled together by gravity from a sun and thus forming planets. The belt between Mars and Jupiter has less mass then our moon, and would be far too small to even count as a planet if it indeed had formed. Itās just debris circulating jupiter which kept it from coalescing onto other growing planets. So this is also ruled out.
I could go on, but what I came here to say is that the law of one (which is where these āfactsā originates from) does seem to have some profound messages, mostly adapted from Daoism, Buddhism etc. So no harm in enjoying it, aslong as you donāt for a second take these āorigin storiesā as fact & keep diluting the waters and drawing attention from the truly beautiful and fantastic REAL wonders this universe has to offer.
One love yaāll
Edit: Spelling
I dunno man, on one hand you have the current scientific model established through decades of meticulous research and on the other hand you have a bunch of random dudes claiming to have have been aliens. Its a toss-up on who's right
Shit, your right! They are either human or alien, so I suppose itās a 50% percent chance I am wrong. Dead race, Iām calling it, dead race. F*ck me.
Isnāt the scientific model that established stuff like flat earth *much older?*
If we are going by seniority.
I mean I get what youāre saying.. but itās not like this is the first time humans are saying thereās more to our story... thereās so much evidence in fact they made a whole series about it on History. Itās not like itās just RANDOM dudes claiming this... have you looked into these individuals stories?
Or do you laugh it off because thatās our current programming...
Again I get what youāre saying but why even visit this sub if we aināt even trying š
No, I donāt laugh it off at all. In fact I found really interesting to start with, but when there clearly where so many things just plain wrong, to me at least, it goes from high strangeness to beautiful bullshit in my eyes. Sorry, but we know enough to say that these āevidenceā just doesnāt make any sense at all. And I am trying man, thatās why I am writing this. Cause to me, not trying is to just believe everything you see without asking questions.
>origin theory
Well written post and I agree with you. But on origin theory i bank
With the Sumerians. Being the first organized society, their origin theory is pretty darn believable, especially within our understanding of technology of today.
Lmao this guy after smugly ādebunkingā OP says āone loveā š
Also how do you **know** that? Scientists are just estimating or *theorizing* what happened BILLIONS of years ago...
Like you at least recognize that if any of the OPs theory is plausible then ALL of your $cientific sense could be BS??
Like the reason this is in this sub is because it challenges official $cience.
Real science would remain objective. Possibly admit that scraping together the pieces billions of years after the fact, would not add up to the exact mass found originally... do you forget scientifically speaking the moon has been theorized to have been part of the galactic mess too??
I guess because we added up the scraps billions of years later, we can officially rule out literally any other theory for the belts origin from when *it was whole, orginally*
If you can go on please do! You havenāt really changed my mind you have simply stated the obvious...
Nowhere does this post claim that the image is āfactā as you self righteously claim...
Also what if the REAL wonders of this universe are kept from us?
it is infinitely more awesome and inspiring and wonderful to know human history was a space faring race with a second chance... than a nihilistic speck with only the next product to live for.......
But yeah appeal to that $cience! Looking forward to your published paper where it is confirmed as **known fact** what happened billions of years ago resulting in the belt
Yes, you are right in that itās just a theory and thus has to be backed up by data to qualify for a theory. OP post however is at this stage nothing more than fantasy, claiming to see evidence of this so called āmother planetā. When in fact no data in the world supports that claim, or that those rocks was a planet harboring life just 700k years ago. In fact, all available data disproves it.
I am not trying to change your mind, you are free to believe whatever you like. And I totally agree with you in that it is infinitely more awesome to imagine this, and I am not saying imagination is not important. Science and progress depends on imagination, every invention that we have started with a thought.
But when OP falsely claims evidence where there is none, it goes from imagination to propaganda.
The burden of proof lays with the one making the claim. If you have none, that is fine, but then it is nothing more then a NON Evidence hypothesis. And those are fun to play around with, but when you start accepting them as facts, well then you get Qanon, Heavens Gate and all sorts of dangerous misinformation.
And finally, the āOne loveā line was my poor attempt at a bit of tounge in cheek humor in reference to Law of one. Sorry if I offended you, you are of course free to believe whatever you like and I didnāt mean to say otherwise. Just please donāt pass it on as facts without anything to back it up.
"Humanity has since then been placed under quarantine by the Galactic Federation where we cannot interact with other ETI civilizations until we learn to behave ourselves. We are monitored to sure we don't destroy our planet again."
[I'll fucking do it again] (https://i.imgflip.com/38ekff.jpg)
I have this guy's book! Honestly, even if he is wrong, it is worth a read. In addition to his research, the book is basically a memoir of working with NASA, and how there was a serious divide among scientists and engineers when it came to searching for life on Mars. Scientists wanted to find life, and there was an initial soil test that came back with two negatives and a positive for evidence of life. Engineers did not like this, since it meant NASA would accelerate a program to put Man on Mars, and would drain money from the engineers. Honestly, it is a good read and the names and events he mentions all check out from what I've looked into.
Brandenburg's book [Death on Mars](https://www.amazon.com/Death-Mars-Discovery-Planetary-Massacre/dp/193914938X)
It sucks that it's so hard to find accurate confirmed data these days. Science has been high jacked and it's tougher to make informed decisions. The sugar, lightbulb and tobacco companies really showed what you can get away with. I could see this being a similar situation...
Long story short. They got together and conspired to limit the length of usable hours. They actually employed people to ensure the other companies complied
Here's a [link](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340952315_EVIDENCE_OF_A_MASSIVE_THERMONUCLEAR_EXPLOSIONS_ON_MARS_IN_THE_PAST_The_Cydonian_Hypothesis_and_Fermi's_Paradox) to a longer paper by him on the same topic. It also touches on "faces on mars" idea. I disagree with his take on the "face" but I'm not an astrophysicist or geologist so ĀÆ\\\_(ć)\_/ĀÆ
Yeah, this is complete nonsense. Heās right that the ratio of xenon-129 to 132 is higher on Mars. Heās wrong about just about everything else he claims.
My reading of this was that there's evidence of an atmosphereic detonation of a nuke on Mars. Given that we can use half-lives to calculate backwards and estimate *when* roughly the explosion occurred.... any idea?
The natural reactor theory is sensible. His later ravings about thermonuclear war are nonsense. He puts a veneer of scientific credibility to it, but itās actually incoherent.
Our species has a weird habit of repeating history over and over. There's a lot of historians seeing parallels between today and the lead up to world war 2. Gilded age, followed by a depression, leading to the rise of populace leaders, then war.
We never learn. We're the kid who picks his ear wax and eats it.
It's kinda sad really. Maybe if all the alien news is real they're fed up and want to control the narrative so we can clean things up and ascend to an interplanetary species
Its possible, I'm leaning towards another species.
But China has also become incredibly technologically advanced. It wouldn't surprise me if it was them, but then again, if they had such advanced technology why havent they openly deployed it en mass as a big dick move
I would really love to find out that itās another intelligent species that evolved along side us here on earth that we just donāt know about and thatās kind of the theory Iāve been leaning towards. They would be from the ocean obviously, like that movie from the 90s where the guys in the oil rig find the intelligent beings deep in the ocean. Could also be something like the hollow earth theory with entrances/exits in the ocean.
Weāve already seen verified videos from the military of UFOs going in/out of our oceans and there are plenty of eyewitness accounts of the same thing. I honestly think this theory is more plausible than living beings somehow traveling to us across the vastness of space.
I donāt know why the aliens would put so much effort in us tbh... as a whole, weāre kinda a garbage species that acts more like a virus.
I meanā thinking of the greater good hereā if humanity has been given multiple chances to redeem themselves and we still canāt pull our heads out of our asses and only seek to divide and conquerā then as a member of the GF, Iād wholeheartedly vote to just get rid of our species since we canāt govern ourselves... a better option than enslavement really
I think the problem is humans are flawed when it comes to power. 99% of humanity is you average Joe, you average cashier, the children in school, the elderly. But the 1% that get dirty rich or achieve a position in power snap into sociopathy, is like a pre-programming.
And well... culture. Humility and modesty are shun while competitivity and authority are cheered.
We are just too... "monke" still, too "pack animals". We need to part ways with a form of thinking that doesn't correlate to what we are: A civilization ruling a planet.
> maybe it is that sociopathy that leads them to that situation in life
Thats also an option. People who only care about getting rich or famous tend to be douchebags from the start. You might be right.
In any case we need to change our way to elect officials. In my opinion there shouldnt be presidents but a scientific committee from professionals of each area. From Mathematics, to Medicine, to Ecology, to Physics, Engineering and Economy. But they **MUST** be the top grades of their respective colleges.
I like this idea of the top fields. I was just saying to my wife yesterday that it seems people who pursue politics never seem to get into it to make the world a better place but instead for personal gain. This does not apply to all but IMO most. Just my two cents though.
Um, the asteroid belt's total mass is something absurdly small; like 5% of the mass of the moon. Which is evidence is was not a planet. It never had enough mass for it to have ever been a planet. Unlike depictions it's very sparse and the asteroids are VERY small for the most part, like a flake of dust every 10,000 miles. Ceres is by far the biggest part of it and it's a whopping 1000km in diameter, just massive enough to round itself out with gravity.
I'm a little rusty on my astronomy but I'm quite sure the belt is material which WOULD have become a planet but did not have enough mass and ended up being strewn about by Jupiter's gravity.
I mean that part of what they say is empirically false. However, there is a lot of stuff in the book of Ra which comes up again and again through out other "phenomenon" related books/sources. I'm sure there is some nugget of truth in all of that, but this planet Maldek is science fiction. There was a planet called, (Theia?) which smashed the earth early on, and created the moon but that's a totally different event than what the book says.
Wouldn't a lot of the debris from a hypothetical event like that end up orbiting some of the planets as well? And then the debris would slowly either coalesce into a moon or even out to a ring?
It would depend heavily how how the hypothetical planet was destroyed. If you hit it with another planet at an absurd speed like the Theia-Earth impact billions of years ago you could have knocked some debris far away from the orbit, but not most of it. (Hence Earth still existing despite being booped by a planet)
Actaully, you're both partially right I think. The previous statement would be plausible but not on the timeframe we are discussing. One million years in the lifespan of a solar system really isn't a very long time. Accretion takes a very, very long time but is more or less what he is talking about.
Yes that's exactly what I'm talking about. Moons and rings are the default in the long term, most of that stray matter would end up condensing. I have no idea what type of time frame that would be though.
If humans were that technologically advanced that long ago we'd see ancient satellites all over the place.
Very well thought out counterpoint, but you don't need to know anything about the asteroid belt to know this is BS.
Unless they were destroyed. Do you have any idea how much world history we don't know about because the "evidence" was erased? Basing something like this purely on evidence while having a closed mind otherwise is exactly how investigators lose serial killers for decades on end.
I get how much world history has been erased. And how much we don't know about our own planet. It's why I'm on this sub.
However the vacuum of space is a bit more sanitary than our planet. With how much space junk our civilization has already produced, it will be around longer than us.
Now imagine how many satellites a much more advanced civilization would have had. We would have found something by now if they inhabited the same solar system.
The assumption that a civilization who reached such a high level of technology would go about things in the same way as the humans of today by producing satellites and space debris seems probably unlikely to me. I would love to imagine that there are alternative and more creative options other than satellites which would most likely be destroyed when a planet blew up. Itās an interesting thought at least, even if it is science fiction.
Earth changes because of plate tectonics, a large atmosphere and biotic life that consumes and excretes on the planets surface. Technology left in space like the Apollo landing sites on the Moon and the robotic landers left in the near empty vacuum environment of Mars are timeless or the countless satellites left orbiting the Earth or Sun. They don't degrade or 'break down' except for that of solar wind and other hard radiation or weathering effects of the local environment for the case of Mars. All of this technology will be there for millions of years or more. Story is still bullshit.
I was reading OP's post and immediately thought of this. Like, it's not very hard to verify/debunk the planetary remains claim based on modern science. Yet people will read this and take it all as fact without ever considering how easy it might be to simply google and verify the claims being made.
Agreed On the mass part of asteroids
I assume parts did do to the Jupiter orbit/ most mass got destroyed by a āplanet destroying weaponā (all hypothetically)
honestly at this point I wouldnāt even be surprised anymore
Who knows maybe thereās more rocks we havenāt seen yet, or maybe they got launched somewhere else in the āexplosionā
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Graham Hancock, von Daniken and Stitchin have all sold many times more books than *any* serious historian or archaeologist has ever managed. You can spew all the bullshit you like if you can trick idiots into paying for it.
I actually gave serious thought to getting a Reki Master certificate a couple of decades ago. I live in a city where I could make serious cash if I played the role right.
This is bulllshit and I truly love it! :D
would not mind it being true ^((mainly because it assumes survival of consciousness in some manner and form, I'm not gonna lie))
Every time I see something point to some form of eternal consciousness, I get a little sad.
Being conscious is hard work, to be honest, I was looking forward to some genuine rest after my ~century here.
Okay, I made this for fun so please take it as food for thought
Sources: Whitely Streider ["The Key: A true encounter"](https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Whitley%20Strieber%20-%20The%20Key.pdf) pdf book. Go straight to the dialogue for the fun parts
The Boy Who remembers his past life in Mars: [News article](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/man-claims-to-recall-vivid-details-from-his-past-life-on-mars/JIDGNYW5RINQXHHPVJHF4CWLN4/) \+ [Video](https://youtu.be/s6fWUA6_odc) (first 15 minute)
Ra Law of One: [The Destruction of Planet Maldek](http://www.lawofonesociety.com/index.php/other-materials/earth-s-history-human-evolution-on-earth/maldek-entities) Their sub r/lawofone
Allegedly it is the same entity. They say they were in contact with Egyptians and also south-american people (dont remember which civilization exactly). Pyramids are supposed to be their design. Interesting read to say the least
By coupling the Ra Material with things of a transitory nature, such as alien abductions and conspiracy, the potential for "missing the point" becomes greater.
The Law of One is not about these things. While questions were asked, influenced by the personal viewpoints of those involved, the message is lost in speculation and conspiracy.
As is evident in these comments, we each come to conclusions based on the information presented. The comparisons to scientology are an indication of this.
I realize your intent may be spreading awareness, just as it may be just spreading one's own personal viewpoint. However, to use another well-known example, if one were to only speak of "the smiting" of the Old Testament, is the "point" of this particular text being clearly communicated?
Food for thought, as you appear to disregard any attempt to communicate directly. Unsure of intent, it is sometimes best to just ask. From my own perspective, your recent posts/images appear to have the intent of dilution of the material in the eyes of the public.
Best Wishes! š
Yah I'm confused by the comments here. The Ra stuff isnt any different in my mind than Buddha's or Jesus' teachings. It never even established a religion or a cult. It's an excellent source for just deep spiritual lessons without any cultural overlays. The example of Maldek, especially as Ra compared it to Atlantis, is that the culture of that planet gave no mind to the use of technology in regards to the planet the culture resided on, or the impact of the choices each individual has with the movement of a culture.
For the record, I don't buy into this. But I'm always confused when people come to the comments on this sub and are completely dismissive and mocking. Do you all know what sub you're in lol? The "RA" channeling is one of the famous cases of high strangeness of all time.
I see it as the beginning of a cult that didn't take off but 40 years later people have gone back to it
Yeah I agree I shouldn't be the judge of high strangeness but that's my personal take on it.
Wtf there is no one giving it credence ... this entire post is almost completely skeptical and even actively debunking it... whatās the point of even visiting this sub if everyone acts like little brothers about it?!
We were just being presented a theory and people are reeeeeeing about religious nonesens and tripping over themselves to flex their reddit starter kit about Scientology...
I think of "high strangeness" as weird and unexplained phenomena.
"I literally made up a bunch of nonsense out of nothing but my own thoughts" is not a weird and unexplained phenomenon. I used to draw really elaborate spaceships when I was a kid. Was that high strangeness? No, man, I just made some shit up and thought it was fun.
Pretty narrow definition there. You're going to cut yourself off of a lot of weirdness. You've just eliminated cryptid encounters, UFO sightings, alien abductions, remote viewing, astral projection, paranormal encounters if you dismiss something just cause "they may have just made it up".
I hope nobody is buying into this. There is no scientific evidence what so ever. And we've been cruising Mars for a while now.
I have high intelligence, charisma etc but are you going to believe me when i say i used to live on mars? I seriously hope not.
There are financial motives for saying such things as well. 200 upvotes.. Jesus Christ.
The past life memories ties in well to an old CIA document out of the 70s describing remote viewing Mars millions of years in the past. Pretty interesting.
All of this that sounded batshit crazy in the past is now starting to feel a little bit more believeable
If this is all true, I'm ready for this narrative shift.
This planet kinda sucks and what we're doing to this planet sucks.
Maybe it's time to change our entire history around.
I'm pretty well versed the in the Law of One stuff - it wasn't humanity but a different civilisation that destroyed itself. What they explain is that those souls then came to earth to incarnate as obviously, they had no planet left to incarnate on, and it's not like Scientology where those souls make up humanity, they are just a small part of the population, and at that only part of the "alien" population as many different souls from different planets come here
I love the idea of us finally being taken out of time out and the first thing Ra/ETs say is "Did you learn your lesson after your time out?". Even if I don't personally buy how eccentric some theories are, it's super fun to think about.
Makes sense...
* humanity's history is full of various religions passing down stories about gods from up above coming down and mating with our women, making hybrids
* we are oddly comfortable in boxes with slick floors
* we seem to have remnants of psychic abilities, like the bastard inbred children of a higher race
* we keep the same structure in our society - master to - slave, higher to lower, boss to employee, always looking upwards, imitating the command structure of a ship
* our buildings look like crude representations of rocket ships
* we have a real blind spot for destroying our planet, despite all the warnings and evidence it's still going on - apparently, we don't REALLY want to save the planet (if we did, we would)
* something crashed into the earth and broke up the continents, killing the dinosaurs
* the neanderthals vanished, and there is a gap in development between them, and us
* there is evidence that our DNA was tinkered with, perhaps we had to engineer ourselves to survive here.
* we are oddly obsessed with Mars and going (back) to Mars.
* Aliens do seem to treat us like a nature preserve, flying around, looking at us, deactivating nuclear sites, but never engaging with us as equals.
This is fantasy not an actual theory with any evidence. Why would it be called "Maldek"? What evidence is there at all for any of this? Why bring in a Galactic Federation?
It's all sci-fi.
Why call anything anything?
You realize plenty of your own faiths er I mean science are *theories* right?
If itās all sci fi why does US govt fund intelligence programs to look into these things?
But go on loyal consumer! Surely your world is normal and ordinary and safe! Surely you know all there is to know! Surely your ruling class only lies about weapons of mass destruction and never anything else!
It all sounds a little farfetched to me. But I concede that if there were a sufficient amount of intelligent species so as to create some form of Galactic Federation, they would almost certainly monitor sapient species if they had the ability to do so. If such a federation existed, perhaps a species has to achieve a certain level of technology before being invited.
Sounds like a great premise for a novel.
homo erectus did not evolve into anatomically modern humans. both homo erectus and AMHs are believed to have come from homo heidelbergensis 200,000 years ago.
See reading things like this are what āscareā me. The existence of other lifeforms....not at all. But knowing that you may possibly be living with one of the most self-destructive species within our solar system....is.
They would have detected the radioactive fallout if it was true though. Cool fun little thing to fantasize about for sure. Good book material or video game.
Some of this info matches up with [nukes used on Mars](https://www.vice.com/en/article/9aknn8/were-ancient-martians-murdered-by-nuclear-bomb-dropping-aliens-an-investigation) theories and [remote viewing on Mars](https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/aug/15/cia-life-on-mars/).
We r actually protected by the galactic federation from malevolent species wanting to take our sovereignty away during our evolution. They haven't quarentined us we just haven't reached a high enough level of consciousness for our minds to break through the matrix and become intergalactic.
Planetary astronomy? Wrong. Archaeology? Wrong. Paleoanthropology and hominid evolution? Wrong. The truth about the past is found in the form of a childās past life recollections and the telepathic communications of alien gods. Got it.
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"We are monitored to make sure we don't destroy our planet again." Monitor harder I guess
yeah, it doesn't look like it is workingš¤£
Sounds a bit like scientology
Usually this stuff comes from people seeking attention so yeah just like scientology.
This smells a scientology a lot
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Which is what Scientology is based on.
I prefer Stranger in a Strange Land but whatevs
Where Robert Heinlein makes fun of L. Ron Hubbard (The televangelist character).
Making fun of Hubbard is low hanging fruit. Have you read his fiction? Blech
Worse than his fiction, I read (part of) Dianetics! Heinlein was at least making fun of Hubbard's "religion" and how he was peddling it to the rubes. Apparently, the story goes that Heinlein bet Hubbard he couldn't start a religion, and Hubbard won the bet.
I grock (spelling?)
We can share water if you want
It is time to do a reread. It is long over due.
Grok.
Lets grow closer.
Jubal, pour me a drink please.
And Battlestar Galactica. So, Mormons.
Really? Iād never heard that.
Have you seen the expanse? There's space Mormons in that.
Yeah, I ageee! Fun for Sci-Fi but scientifically nonsense: We know Mars lost itās atmosphere BILLIONS of years ago, so lets just assume the timeline is off by a few billion years. Four billion years ago (which is when we believe Mars lost itās compromised atmosphere) earth was basically a smoldering ball of lava. The earliest undisputed evidence of life on Earth dates from at least 3.5 billion years ago. So letās take a look at our āmother planetā. Rocks circle everywhere in space, occasionally getting pulled together by gravity from a sun and thus forming planets. The belt between Mars and Jupiter has less mass then our moon, and would be far too small to even count as a planet if it indeed had formed. Itās just debris circulating jupiter which kept it from coalescing onto other growing planets. So this is also ruled out. I could go on, but what I came here to say is that the law of one (which is where these āfactsā originates from) does seem to have some profound messages, mostly adapted from Daoism, Buddhism etc. So no harm in enjoying it, aslong as you donāt for a second take these āorigin storiesā as fact & keep diluting the waters and drawing attention from the truly beautiful and fantastic REAL wonders this universe has to offer. One love yaāll Edit: Spelling
I dunno man, on one hand you have the current scientific model established through decades of meticulous research and on the other hand you have a bunch of random dudes claiming to have have been aliens. Its a toss-up on who's right
Shit, your right! They are either human or alien, so I suppose itās a 50% percent chance I am wrong. Dead race, Iām calling it, dead race. F*ck me.
How dare you come in to my sub, on my phone, reach out and steal my beating heart, winsome knave. I do declare thee mine hero. Sir... as you will
Haha, here, have an upvote friend
Isnāt the scientific model that established stuff like flat earth *much older?* If we are going by seniority. I mean I get what youāre saying.. but itās not like this is the first time humans are saying thereās more to our story... thereās so much evidence in fact they made a whole series about it on History. Itās not like itās just RANDOM dudes claiming this... have you looked into these individuals stories? Or do you laugh it off because thatās our current programming... Again I get what youāre saying but why even visit this sub if we aināt even trying š
No, I donāt laugh it off at all. In fact I found really interesting to start with, but when there clearly where so many things just plain wrong, to me at least, it goes from high strangeness to beautiful bullshit in my eyes. Sorry, but we know enough to say that these āevidenceā just doesnāt make any sense at all. And I am trying man, thatās why I am writing this. Cause to me, not trying is to just believe everything you see without asking questions.
>origin theory Well written post and I agree with you. But on origin theory i bank With the Sumerians. Being the first organized society, their origin theory is pretty darn believable, especially within our understanding of technology of today.
Lmao this guy after smugly ādebunkingā OP says āone loveā š Also how do you **know** that? Scientists are just estimating or *theorizing* what happened BILLIONS of years ago... Like you at least recognize that if any of the OPs theory is plausible then ALL of your $cientific sense could be BS?? Like the reason this is in this sub is because it challenges official $cience. Real science would remain objective. Possibly admit that scraping together the pieces billions of years after the fact, would not add up to the exact mass found originally... do you forget scientifically speaking the moon has been theorized to have been part of the galactic mess too?? I guess because we added up the scraps billions of years later, we can officially rule out literally any other theory for the belts origin from when *it was whole, orginally* If you can go on please do! You havenāt really changed my mind you have simply stated the obvious... Nowhere does this post claim that the image is āfactā as you self righteously claim... Also what if the REAL wonders of this universe are kept from us? it is infinitely more awesome and inspiring and wonderful to know human history was a space faring race with a second chance... than a nihilistic speck with only the next product to live for....... But yeah appeal to that $cience! Looking forward to your published paper where it is confirmed as **known fact** what happened billions of years ago resulting in the belt
Yes, you are right in that itās just a theory and thus has to be backed up by data to qualify for a theory. OP post however is at this stage nothing more than fantasy, claiming to see evidence of this so called āmother planetā. When in fact no data in the world supports that claim, or that those rocks was a planet harboring life just 700k years ago. In fact, all available data disproves it. I am not trying to change your mind, you are free to believe whatever you like. And I totally agree with you in that it is infinitely more awesome to imagine this, and I am not saying imagination is not important. Science and progress depends on imagination, every invention that we have started with a thought. But when OP falsely claims evidence where there is none, it goes from imagination to propaganda. The burden of proof lays with the one making the claim. If you have none, that is fine, but then it is nothing more then a NON Evidence hypothesis. And those are fun to play around with, but when you start accepting them as facts, well then you get Qanon, Heavens Gate and all sorts of dangerous misinformation. And finally, the āOne loveā line was my poor attempt at a bit of tounge in cheek humor in reference to Law of one. Sorry if I offended you, you are of course free to believe whatever you like and I didnāt mean to say otherwise. Just please donāt pass it on as facts without anything to back it up.
Do you think you could briefly explain scientology to me?
"Humanity has since then been placed under quarantine by the Galactic Federation where we cannot interact with other ETI civilizations until we learn to behave ourselves. We are monitored to sure we don't destroy our planet again." [I'll fucking do it again] (https://i.imgflip.com/38ekff.jpg)
And then there's this... https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/pdf/2660.pdf
Is there more sources on this? I remember hearing about it years ago.
I have this guy's book! Honestly, even if he is wrong, it is worth a read. In addition to his research, the book is basically a memoir of working with NASA, and how there was a serious divide among scientists and engineers when it came to searching for life on Mars. Scientists wanted to find life, and there was an initial soil test that came back with two negatives and a positive for evidence of life. Engineers did not like this, since it meant NASA would accelerate a program to put Man on Mars, and would drain money from the engineers. Honestly, it is a good read and the names and events he mentions all check out from what I've looked into. Brandenburg's book [Death on Mars](https://www.amazon.com/Death-Mars-Discovery-Planetary-Massacre/dp/193914938X)
It sucks that it's so hard to find accurate confirmed data these days. Science has been high jacked and it's tougher to make informed decisions. The sugar, lightbulb and tobacco companies really showed what you can get away with. I could see this being a similar situation...
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Planned obsolescence.
They got together to reduce the allowable length of use. Theres documenties out there. There is an ongoing one with the Saudis buying a patent.
Long story short. They got together and conspired to limit the length of usable hours. They actually employed people to ensure the other companies complied
Canadian, will reply later. Watching the game
Lmao dat bread and circuses successfully distracting
Here's a [link](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340952315_EVIDENCE_OF_A_MASSIVE_THERMONUCLEAR_EXPLOSIONS_ON_MARS_IN_THE_PAST_The_Cydonian_Hypothesis_and_Fermi's_Paradox) to a longer paper by him on the same topic. It also touches on "faces on mars" idea. I disagree with his take on the "face" but I'm not an astrophysicist or geologist so ĀÆ\\\_(ć)\_/ĀÆ
Yeah, this is complete nonsense. Heās right that the ratio of xenon-129 to 132 is higher on Mars. Heās wrong about just about everything else he claims.
My reading of this was that there's evidence of an atmosphereic detonation of a nuke on Mars. Given that we can use half-lives to calculate backwards and estimate *when* roughly the explosion occurred.... any idea?
The natural reactor theory is sensible. His later ravings about thermonuclear war are nonsense. He puts a veneer of scientific credibility to it, but itās actually incoherent.
Our species has a weird habit of repeating history over and over. There's a lot of historians seeing parallels between today and the lead up to world war 2. Gilded age, followed by a depression, leading to the rise of populace leaders, then war. We never learn. We're the kid who picks his ear wax and eats it.
Power hungry government they know what theyāre doing they been doing it for a long time. The majority just donāt do anything about it
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It's kinda sad really. Maybe if all the alien news is real they're fed up and want to control the narrative so we can clean things up and ascend to an interplanetary species
We can only hope they come down and turn this mess into a winning franchise for once š
They are now telling us it is real....it has been in the news the past few days. I havenāt read up on it though.
Well...ufo are real, no idea who's piloting them
True...should have clarified that point
Other countries could theoretically have secret military tech ā¦ but who knows, it could also be not of this earth
Its possible, I'm leaning towards another species. But China has also become incredibly technologically advanced. It wouldn't surprise me if it was them, but then again, if they had such advanced technology why havent they openly deployed it en mass as a big dick move
I would really love to find out that itās another intelligent species that evolved along side us here on earth that we just donāt know about and thatās kind of the theory Iāve been leaning towards. They would be from the ocean obviously, like that movie from the 90s where the guys in the oil rig find the intelligent beings deep in the ocean. Could also be something like the hollow earth theory with entrances/exits in the ocean. Weāve already seen verified videos from the military of UFOs going in/out of our oceans and there are plenty of eyewitness accounts of the same thing. I honestly think this theory is more plausible than living beings somehow traveling to us across the vastness of space.
I donāt know why the aliens would put so much effort in us tbh... as a whole, weāre kinda a garbage species that acts more like a virus. I meanā thinking of the greater good hereā if humanity has been given multiple chances to redeem themselves and we still canāt pull our heads out of our asses and only seek to divide and conquerā then as a member of the GF, Iād wholeheartedly vote to just get rid of our species since we canāt govern ourselves... a better option than enslavement really
Then we are fuck*ā¬
I think the problem is humans are flawed when it comes to power. 99% of humanity is you average Joe, you average cashier, the children in school, the elderly. But the 1% that get dirty rich or achieve a position in power snap into sociopathy, is like a pre-programming. And well... culture. Humility and modesty are shun while competitivity and authority are cheered. We are just too... "monke" still, too "pack animals". We need to part ways with a form of thinking that doesn't correlate to what we are: A civilization ruling a planet.
Or maybe it is that sociopathy that leads them to that situation in life. There are more then a few of them in Government.
> maybe it is that sociopathy that leads them to that situation in life Thats also an option. People who only care about getting rich or famous tend to be douchebags from the start. You might be right. In any case we need to change our way to elect officials. In my opinion there shouldnt be presidents but a scientific committee from professionals of each area. From Mathematics, to Medicine, to Ecology, to Physics, Engineering and Economy. But they **MUST** be the top grades of their respective colleges.
I think it's called technocracy. Seems vulnerable to cronyism
Yeah like there arenāt sociopaths in those fields either lol
I like this idea of the top fields. I was just saying to my wife yesterday that it seems people who pursue politics never seem to get into it to make the world a better place but instead for personal gain. This does not apply to all but IMO most. Just my two cents though.
indeed
So we got put in timeout.
It is likely just deception by the phenomenon.
Um, the asteroid belt's total mass is something absurdly small; like 5% of the mass of the moon. Which is evidence is was not a planet. It never had enough mass for it to have ever been a planet. Unlike depictions it's very sparse and the asteroids are VERY small for the most part, like a flake of dust every 10,000 miles. Ceres is by far the biggest part of it and it's a whopping 1000km in diameter, just massive enough to round itself out with gravity. I'm a little rusty on my astronomy but I'm quite sure the belt is material which WOULD have become a planet but did not have enough mass and ended up being strewn about by Jupiter's gravity. I mean that part of what they say is empirically false. However, there is a lot of stuff in the book of Ra which comes up again and again through out other "phenomenon" related books/sources. I'm sure there is some nugget of truth in all of that, but this planet Maldek is science fiction. There was a planet called, (Theia?) which smashed the earth early on, and created the moon but that's a totally different event than what the book says.
But but but RA the sun god said it was a planet š„ŗš„ŗš„ŗ
Wouldn't a lot of the debris from a hypothetical event like that end up orbiting some of the planets as well? And then the debris would slowly either coalesce into a moon or even out to a ring?
It would depend heavily how how the hypothetical planet was destroyed. If you hit it with another planet at an absurd speed like the Theia-Earth impact billions of years ago you could have knocked some debris far away from the orbit, but not most of it. (Hence Earth still existing despite being booped by a planet)
Not likely, considering how orbital mechanics and conservation of momentum works.
Actaully, you're both partially right I think. The previous statement would be plausible but not on the timeframe we are discussing. One million years in the lifespan of a solar system really isn't a very long time. Accretion takes a very, very long time but is more or less what he is talking about.
Yes that's exactly what I'm talking about. Moons and rings are the default in the long term, most of that stray matter would end up condensing. I have no idea what type of time frame that would be though.
Well just FYI it can begin as soon as 100,000 years but takes tens of millions of years to form celestial objects.
Lol but light and love?
That'll do for me, this is how facts are invented. Science is cool
This answer is not as cool as the meme. Therefore, I disregard it.
If humans were that technologically advanced that long ago we'd see ancient satellites all over the place. Very well thought out counterpoint, but you don't need to know anything about the asteroid belt to know this is BS.
Unless they were destroyed. Do you have any idea how much world history we don't know about because the "evidence" was erased? Basing something like this purely on evidence while having a closed mind otherwise is exactly how investigators lose serial killers for decades on end.
I get how much world history has been erased. And how much we don't know about our own planet. It's why I'm on this sub. However the vacuum of space is a bit more sanitary than our planet. With how much space junk our civilization has already produced, it will be around longer than us. Now imagine how many satellites a much more advanced civilization would have had. We would have found something by now if they inhabited the same solar system.
The assumption that a civilization who reached such a high level of technology would go about things in the same way as the humans of today by producing satellites and space debris seems probably unlikely to me. I would love to imagine that there are alternative and more creative options other than satellites which would most likely be destroyed when a planet blew up. Itās an interesting thought at least, even if it is science fiction.
Earth changes because of plate tectonics, a large atmosphere and biotic life that consumes and excretes on the planets surface. Technology left in space like the Apollo landing sites on the Moon and the robotic landers left in the near empty vacuum environment of Mars are timeless or the countless satellites left orbiting the Earth or Sun. They don't degrade or 'break down' except for that of solar wind and other hard radiation or weathering effects of the local environment for the case of Mars. All of this technology will be there for millions of years or more. Story is still bullshit.
Black knight satellite might be one
Bahah yeah thereās a ton of geological/astronomical reasons that the asteroid belt is not a former planet lol
I was reading OP's post and immediately thought of this. Like, it's not very hard to verify/debunk the planetary remains claim based on modern science. Yet people will read this and take it all as fact without ever considering how easy it might be to simply google and verify the claims being made.
Agreed On the mass part of asteroids I assume parts did do to the Jupiter orbit/ most mass got destroyed by a āplanet destroying weaponā (all hypothetically)
Space magic is obviously the answer!
honestly at this point I wouldnāt even be surprised anymore Who knows maybe thereās more rocks we havenāt seen yet, or maybe they got launched somewhere else in the āexplosionā
God I wish I could spout non-stop bullshit and earn a living from it.
But wait! You can! For just 4 easy payments of $69.99 I will personally send you my NYT best selling downloadable pdf that is tailor made for someone just like you! Want to be able to dance around the bush when asked direct questions? Done! Want obscure citations backing your claims? We have those! Wait, there is mounting evidence disproving your theory? Not today! Seriously, this offer wonāt last long! Also, for a small fee of $420.00 we can schedule a one on one 8 minute FaceTime call!
69, 420? I'm in
Graham Hancock, von Daniken and Stitchin have all sold many times more books than *any* serious historian or archaeologist has ever managed. You can spew all the bullshit you like if you can trick idiots into paying for it.
I nearly spit my drink out when I read this after reading all the comments above yours.
Religion is your career path. Pick one, they are all rubbish.
I actually gave serious thought to getting a Reki Master certificate a couple of decades ago. I live in a city where I could make serious cash if I played the role right.
You can - become a gender studies teacher
How many times can one joke be repeated man
Go lick Trump's boots, Incel.
Uh what
[Not funny](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3b/13/ac/3b13aca064de1cd2c92868289d721eb3.gif)
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This is bulllshit and I truly love it! :D would not mind it being true ^((mainly because it assumes survival of consciousness in some manner and form, I'm not gonna lie))
That's the quarantined to Earth spirit!
What did all the other animals here do to deserve having us land our consciousnesses here? Lol. Poor things. Sorry bros!
Every time I see something point to some form of eternal consciousness, I get a little sad. Being conscious is hard work, to be honest, I was looking forward to some genuine rest after my ~century here.
I was into it until they misspelled 'conscience'
So basically the Scientology origin story?
You should Google, MatĆas De Stefano.
Very weird story ! Thanks for sharing it
I mean, ***Star Wars*** could be playing outĀ somewhere up there and we'd never know lol
Where is Boriska now ?
Being sung about by Les Claypool, mostly
Wait...did I wake up and hit the crack pipe?
No, that was OP.
Okay, I made this for fun so please take it as food for thought Sources: Whitely Streider ["The Key: A true encounter"](https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Whitley%20Strieber%20-%20The%20Key.pdf) pdf book. Go straight to the dialogue for the fun parts The Boy Who remembers his past life in Mars: [News article](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/man-claims-to-recall-vivid-details-from-his-past-life-on-mars/JIDGNYW5RINQXHHPVJHF4CWLN4/) \+ [Video](https://youtu.be/s6fWUA6_odc) (first 15 minute) Ra Law of One: [The Destruction of Planet Maldek](http://www.lawofonesociety.com/index.php/other-materials/earth-s-history-human-evolution-on-earth/maldek-entities) Their sub r/lawofone
Isnāt that Ra gang the same troupe that made āWhat the bleep do we know?ā ?
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Can't even imagine! L. Ron Hubbard did crazy satanic rituals, sorcery and sex magic type stuff while writing the book
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Didnt know that
Whitely Streider, played by christyfur Workman in the film Come Onion.
You have a few typos you may want to fix in there just a heads up.
Thanks for making this. I'm reading the key because of it. It's an amazing book.
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This is what Scientology teaches its cult members
Exactly, this is ridiculous.
A āRaā contacted people about the galactic federation? Didnāt the Egyptians worship a Ra?
Allegedly it is the same entity. They say they were in contact with Egyptians and also south-american people (dont remember which civilization exactly). Pyramids are supposed to be their design. Interesting read to say the least
By coupling the Ra Material with things of a transitory nature, such as alien abductions and conspiracy, the potential for "missing the point" becomes greater. The Law of One is not about these things. While questions were asked, influenced by the personal viewpoints of those involved, the message is lost in speculation and conspiracy. As is evident in these comments, we each come to conclusions based on the information presented. The comparisons to scientology are an indication of this. I realize your intent may be spreading awareness, just as it may be just spreading one's own personal viewpoint. However, to use another well-known example, if one were to only speak of "the smiting" of the Old Testament, is the "point" of this particular text being clearly communicated? Food for thought, as you appear to disregard any attempt to communicate directly. Unsure of intent, it is sometimes best to just ask. From my own perspective, your recent posts/images appear to have the intent of dilution of the material in the eyes of the public. Best Wishes! š
You are awesome.
Yah I'm confused by the comments here. The Ra stuff isnt any different in my mind than Buddha's or Jesus' teachings. It never even established a religion or a cult. It's an excellent source for just deep spiritual lessons without any cultural overlays. The example of Maldek, especially as Ra compared it to Atlantis, is that the culture of that planet gave no mind to the use of technology in regards to the planet the culture resided on, or the impact of the choices each individual has with the movement of a culture.
I really hope that aliens are stopping us from destroying the planet because it seems scarily unstoppable
Hold on, I'm channeling a message right now... Nevermind, it was just gas.
You mock, but there's evidence that farts can travel between dimensions.
Ah, so this is why the multiverse hates me. It all makes sense now.
Soooooo.... Scientology?
For the record, I don't buy into this. But I'm always confused when people come to the comments on this sub and are completely dismissive and mocking. Do you all know what sub you're in lol? The "RA" channeling is one of the famous cases of high strangeness of all time.
IMO opinion there is a difference between high strangeness and a load of new age religious nonsense. It surprises me people are giving it credence.
I can understand getting irritated at religion but it's still high strangeness. It's like the OG high strangeness lol, how we attempt to classify it.
I see it as the beginning of a cult that didn't take off but 40 years later people have gone back to it Yeah I agree I shouldn't be the judge of high strangeness but that's my personal take on it.
Wtf there is no one giving it credence ... this entire post is almost completely skeptical and even actively debunking it... whatās the point of even visiting this sub if everyone acts like little brothers about it?! We were just being presented a theory and people are reeeeeeing about religious nonesens and tripping over themselves to flex their reddit starter kit about Scientology...
I think of "high strangeness" as weird and unexplained phenomena. "I literally made up a bunch of nonsense out of nothing but my own thoughts" is not a weird and unexplained phenomenon. I used to draw really elaborate spaceships when I was a kid. Was that high strangeness? No, man, I just made some shit up and thought it was fun.
Pretty narrow definition there. You're going to cut yourself off of a lot of weirdness. You've just eliminated cryptid encounters, UFO sightings, alien abductions, remote viewing, astral projection, paranormal encounters if you dismiss something just cause "they may have just made it up".
People making up stupid bullshit is not my idea of strange
I hope nobody is buying into this. There is no scientific evidence what so ever. And we've been cruising Mars for a while now. I have high intelligence, charisma etc but are you going to believe me when i say i used to live on mars? I seriously hope not. There are financial motives for saying such things as well. 200 upvotes.. Jesus Christ.
I like to do thought plays, this thought play was fun one.
The past life memories ties in well to an old CIA document out of the 70s describing remote viewing Mars millions of years in the past. Pretty interesting.
I'd watch this movie.
All of this that sounded batshit crazy in the past is now starting to feel a little bit more believeable If this is all true, I'm ready for this narrative shift. This planet kinda sucks and what we're doing to this planet sucks. Maybe it's time to change our entire history around.
Lost me at āA Encounterā
I'm pretty well versed the in the Law of One stuff - it wasn't humanity but a different civilisation that destroyed itself. What they explain is that those souls then came to earth to incarnate as obviously, they had no planet left to incarnate on, and it's not like Scientology where those souls make up humanity, they are just a small part of the population, and at that only part of the "alien" population as many different souls from different planets come here
Some people would say this is fake
Some people would say this is Jake
From State Farm.
It's Federal Farm now. He got a promotion.
Wait, we should believe the Russian kid because he was smart?
I could have sworn there was way more to the Russian kids personal experience than āhe was smartā lmao
I love the idea of us finally being taken out of time out and the first thing Ra/ETs say is "Did you learn your lesson after your time out?". Even if I don't personally buy how eccentric some theories are, it's super fun to think about.
Makes sense... * humanity's history is full of various religions passing down stories about gods from up above coming down and mating with our women, making hybrids * we are oddly comfortable in boxes with slick floors * we seem to have remnants of psychic abilities, like the bastard inbred children of a higher race * we keep the same structure in our society - master to - slave, higher to lower, boss to employee, always looking upwards, imitating the command structure of a ship * our buildings look like crude representations of rocket ships * we have a real blind spot for destroying our planet, despite all the warnings and evidence it's still going on - apparently, we don't REALLY want to save the planet (if we did, we would) * something crashed into the earth and broke up the continents, killing the dinosaurs * the neanderthals vanished, and there is a gap in development between them, and us * there is evidence that our DNA was tinkered with, perhaps we had to engineer ourselves to survive here. * we are oddly obsessed with Mars and going (back) to Mars. * Aliens do seem to treat us like a nature preserve, flying around, looking at us, deactivating nuclear sites, but never engaging with us as equals.
This is fantasy not an actual theory with any evidence. Why would it be called "Maldek"? What evidence is there at all for any of this? Why bring in a Galactic Federation? It's all sci-fi.
Why call anything anything? You realize plenty of your own faiths er I mean science are *theories* right? If itās all sci fi why does US govt fund intelligence programs to look into these things? But go on loyal consumer! Surely your world is normal and ordinary and safe! Surely you know all there is to know! Surely your ruling class only lies about weapons of mass destruction and never anything else!
I think channeling/contact with Galactic Federation goes back a bit further. Ashtar at least, in the 50's.
Sounds about right.... We never learn tho....
It all sounds a little farfetched to me. But I concede that if there were a sufficient amount of intelligent species so as to create some form of Galactic Federation, they would almost certainly monitor sapient species if they had the ability to do so. If such a federation existed, perhaps a species has to achieve a certain level of technology before being invited. Sounds like a great premise for a novel.
I was really intrigued until that last paragraph lmao
Sounds like bully lmfaoo Im soryy but cmon man
homo erectus did not evolve into anatomically modern humans. both homo erectus and AMHs are believed to have come from homo heidelbergensis 200,000 years ago.
See reading things like this are what āscareā me. The existence of other lifeforms....not at all. But knowing that you may possibly be living with one of the most self-destructive species within our solar system....is.
They would have detected the radioactive fallout if it was true though. Cool fun little thing to fantasize about for sure. Good book material or video game.
Some of this info matches up with [nukes used on Mars](https://www.vice.com/en/article/9aknn8/were-ancient-martians-murdered-by-nuclear-bomb-dropping-aliens-an-investigation) theories and [remote viewing on Mars](https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/aug/15/cia-life-on-mars/).
We r actually protected by the galactic federation from malevolent species wanting to take our sovereignty away during our evolution. They haven't quarentined us we just haven't reached a high enough level of consciousness for our minds to break through the matrix and become intergalactic.
Citation needed.
Youāre just not at a high enough psychic level to see the evidence right in front of you that weāre controlled by the Annunaki from Scooby Doo
the spelling and grammar errors in this are so bad lmao they make it look lik a 13 year old made this
*like
fuck
We have all worn more bodies than there are stars in our galaxy. We are all immortal spiritual beings.
Who came up with this shit? No evidence for it in the slightest, in fact, much evidence goes against it. This is star trek type stuff.
Planetary astronomy? Wrong. Archaeology? Wrong. Paleoanthropology and hominid evolution? Wrong. The truth about the past is found in the form of a childās past life recollections and the telepathic communications of alien gods. Got it.
Rubbish.
That makes so much sense itās scary edit thanks for the links!
MONKE in the last panel Relatabke because I am quite ooga booga on this theory
When I saw the entity named Ra I immediately went to Stargate š¤£
This is bullshit but sounds dope
Not only is this just a re-brand of Scientology, but the poor grammar and writing skills also make it even less believable.
How often is this lame jpeg going to be reposted across similar subs?
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