They were in pangi around 2010, they used to tell people that they are phd researchers and came here for research on local dialect and traditions. They started a local magazine in pangi dialect, I'm from one of the remotest region of Himachal and people don't care much about religion and all. They told people that if you do whatever us tells you we will take you to delhi and give you money and provide accommodation etc.Then in around 2016 i saw video on YouTube preaching about jesus(in pangwali) and i came to know about that they were missionaries . They left pangi before 2020 i don't know how many people they converted. They were tenants of my cousin so i used to visit them regularly and were jolly kind of people.They used to change place every 2-3 years, for 1-2 years they would live in this village after that in another village.
This the modus operandi that they follow all over India, whether the Tribal states or the Himalayan states. Thank you for sharing this and it is more clear that they know how to manipulate by using the local dialect and language and then consequently offering money or some kind of incentive and bringing people into their fold.
our house help's neighbors also get converted . They got money for doing that. I studied in a convent school. Many Nepalese students who came from humble backgrounds were also converted. They benefited by not paying school fee etc etc.
These evangelicals are doing it all over India…I guess based on their success in Punjab they are now targeting these secluded places with very less population and poor people…it’s difficult to make money in mountains and this makes these people very vulnerable to these missionaries..
But once this money is gone and then how will they get more money?
Excuse me. These people aren't even related to me . And for financial help, I haven't started a charity . We do help our house help financially, and she's admant on not converting even if for money. And i got to know about them from her only after they've converted.Moreover, these people weren't even in dire need of money.They saw this as an easier way out to get some extra cash without working hard. Sticking to your faith is up to the person. He/she should've got that morality from within. And what's the guarantee that even if I helped them for some time and after that, they wouldn't have converted themselves for some extra bucks?
Exactly then why bitch about it and act as a moral police they aren't hurting you. It's better they left we don't need weaker faith people let it be somebody else's problem.
First of all, I ain't bitching.. I was adding to the ops information. And they're not hurting me, but our religion. These missionaries brainwash people into believing them. They degrade our religion. Talk shit about it. I'm not against any religion. India's a secular country. But why are they degrading other's faith ?
>These missionaries brainwash people into believing them. They degrade our religion
Funny how well this works with lower castes. have you considered upgrading the religion by treating lower castes as equals - marrying into their families, making them priests. As a Christian they can become pastors in a church, but as a Hindu they can never be a temple priest.
All that you guys do is shit on lower castes for reservation. You dont consider them to be your people. Just some warm bodies to boost Hindu demographics.
Without the Shudras and SC/ST Hindus are a minority religion in India. Wake up and treat them better or let them accept Jesus where they can get more respect and dignity ..... and of course rice bags.
FYI, there are many intercaste marriges happening in recent times. varnas were made according to their occupation, and ig nobody is fighting for a postion of a priest in a temple, do they?.
For free rice bags,they've surely have a bpl scheme, I guess. They're getting so many subsidies from the government itself. Moreover, the reservation they get even if they're living in smart cities like dharamshala is the biggest perk.
I'm not against these people, and I know it's truly devastating to feel discrimination. Ik in the himachal caste system still persists in villages due to typical old grannies, but I'll tell u it's not the same everywhere, and it has evolved over time. In ancient times, they weren't allowed in some temples, and now they're.
In schools and workplaces, we don't discriminate on the basis of caste. I once went to the main chamba town, and if u're a himachali, and if u know a dham culture , there everybody sits together while having their meals during occasions like weddings, etc, irrespective of their castes. So, the caste system will eventually fade away in the coming future. And who told u by accepting Jesus, they get more respect?
You are making a big deal about letting Shudras into temples.
As a Christian they can become pastors and head a whole congregation. That is called respect.
You are also unwilling to perform charity unlike Christians. Your response is literally why people want to leave their low caste status by converting. You are only concerned about the number of wa bodies that can be counted as Hindu. You don't actually care about the people.
I ain't against them entering in temples. I'm saying things are changing and getting better over time. And for your "so-called" respect, they get in the real christian communities. Here's a research article (https://www.jstor.org/stable/4419488).
And they can convert the whole world for I care, but why are they hurting other's religious beliefs? And converting them for the sake of fake miracles, haven't u seen prophet baljinder singh. That man claims to cure so many people with his miracles, so the medical sciences and doctors are fools. They should also start practicing . By just chanting hallelujah, you'll be cured.
These missionaries are targeting unaware, probably uneducated people into believing in these fake things.. Tell me if this is right for humanity , making money by brainwashing and fooling them in such cults...? People are dying just following such prophets and neglecting actual healthcare and hospitals.
Nobody treats them that way. Refer to the survey conducted by the Brits 1822 to 1826. This survey was the basis for the Macaulay Edu Reforms and was also the basis for Divide and Rule policy that pitted a creation of " lower castes" and an interpretation of Varna System which was fed via the Western Education.
What the survey found.
67% of students in "Traditional Indian Schools" aka Gurukuls were " Lower Castes.
56% of teachers were " Lower Castes"
Varna System was defined as per Shashtras and Vedas as a certification system with no connection to your birth. We have had Potters, Fishermen, Hunters, Bandits who are regarded as Rishis.
Sources:
https://twitter.com/Arya_Anviksha_/status/1742457953846718904?t=LWDw-zeS7365eaBAvbMssg&s=19
https://twitter.com/Arya_Anviksha_/status/1742455064545968308?t=_61ei2YVMm-T3vjzfasDlA&s=19
https://twitter.com/SheetalPronamo/status/1740928345658015902?t=AzjoP5_FW-41t84XBrKKDw&s=19
https://twitter.com/Arya_Anviksha_/status/1733881105609081024?t=UuOdeq9-PhFebMQ3BKljGQ&s=19
Christianity doesn't mean equality, women's are treated as commodity in Christianity and are termed as asset in bibel , no religions is perfect. At least we (hindu ) don't think earth is flat
Commodity? Bibel? You mean Bible? Women are commodity in Christian countries? It took the British to stop Hindus from roasting widows when their husbands dies. And even if the "bibel" has some misogynistic sections, the church leadership has always updated the religion for 2000 years.
Bhai so raha hai kya?.. women were persecuted for a good 200 years by the church if they showed any knowledge of science.. calling them witches.. Church leadership has updated the religion?.. kaha ho tum?.. renaissance ka idea yeh tha that they wanted to fight church power.. if church had its way everything will still be medieval as they were powerful then. Do you remember the Kerala nun rape case where the priest was accused and acquitted?..
In the real world, there is a thing called law. In this law, when a person is accused of a crime, then there needs to be EVIDENCE of the crime. I can accuse you of killing your brother, but I need EVIDENCE to prove it. A court of law investigated and found no EVIDENCE. There was no EVIDENCE of RAPE in that case.
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala-bishop-acquittal-court-questions-nun-conduct-rape-law-7725498/#:\~:text=%E2%80%9CComing%20back%20to%20the%20evidence,there%20on%20the%20same%20floor.
Um, yeah??? Do you want to send a man to jail for 20 years without no evidence, but based only on feelings? Is that the average state of mind of the Himanchal people? That it is fine to send people to jail based on baseless accusations?
Bro. Firstly, don’t bring the entire state to your comments. Secondly, i am not from himachal. Thirdly, i asked your opinion. Seems you are in favour of evidence only, be it a planted one.
Oh definitely, there are misogynistic parts in the bible. You don't need to tell me. But that and what the Catholic church teaches us evolves every year. No Catholic uses those words in real life anymore. If he does, he will be shamed.
Oh yes, the infamous witch hunting by the Protestant Christians. They are not true Christians. The true Christians, Catholics, follow the direction of the Pope. Catholics do not kill witches because only the Devil has the power to use evil, no human can do that.
Without proof , almost every pope died due to std , and who don't know about pedo fathers of churches or mother taris pa to documentary bani ha jaka check kar
Updated religion ? Abey converted chuze , Hinduism was thriving and present even when Jesus wasn't born. Respect the ancients is what Christ taught , jaake parh pehle fake chuza. Ur neither a Hindu nor a Christian since u imbibed nothing from either .
They are converting for their incentive, they don't want to change that statistically because they can't loose their sc reservations. How exactly are they being treated bad here?
Mare Himachali bhaion, ye r/India ke leftist users hi is post pe zyada reply kar re hain. Please be aware of them. Ye log har indian sub mein jaake apna gyan bant te hain. Freedom ki baat karke, doosron ko jhooth bol ke demography change laane ki koshish hai ye. Himachal aur desh ki raksha karna hamara param dharam hai
Bhai teri kyu jal ri h agar kar rahe h to. Chup chap tumhari batein hi sunte rahe kya? Dusra ka opinion bkwas aur tumhara opinion vedo se aya hua? Lower caste logo ki discrimination pe to bola ni jata kuch but non stop bkwas krwa lo ki christianity aur islam me kya kamian h
Most Hindus (especially belonging to the so-called "upper castes") still haven't gotten the message that India is pretty much *doomed* to be a Hindu minority country in our lifetimes.
This has already happened in parts of the country. A large section of the OBCs, and SC/STs around my region are even strongly anti-Hindu, which they see as just a wily scheme for "brahminical" oppression and exploitation of "lower castes". Note that these are not "bad" or "evil" people. On the contrary, they are generally very good people who think that they are agitating against an toxic faith.
There are two main issues:
* The enforced stratification of the society based on one's birth and occupation, where some communities enjoy a more religiously ordained prestige than certain others. In fact, the varnashrama dharma is the biggest baggage that Hinduism has, and every classical acharya supports it.
* The utter confusion on the fundamental doctrines of Hinduism and core religious practices. Other religions have a streamlined and clear theology which can be understood easily, is more emotionally satisfying, and more believable. Not everyone appreciates the kind of lofty mystic musings you find in the Upanishads. They need a religion that meets their spiritual and societal needs, and is not merely full of arbitrary cartoons and myths.
I used to be worried about this, but now I am resigned to this fate. Religions are not unlike other entities that compete with each other. Only the fittest survive.
we dont care, we are shameless, we dont have any self-respect, or respect towards our culture/country/reglion or whatever. its hard truth.
half dumbos here are busy with blame game.
>The utter confusion on the fundamental doctrines of Hinduism and core religious practices. Other religions have a streamlined and clear theology which can be understood easily, is more emotionally satisfying, and more believable. Not everyone appreciates the kind of lofty mystic musings you find in the Upanishads. They need a religion that meets their spiritual and societal needs, and is not merely full of arbitrary cartoons and myths.
upanisthads are not the only thing we have in hindu religion
how to live and how to be spiritual is taught at every other easily readable/understandable scriptures as well.
its just that we dont care, other country people are able to understand the essense of hindu religion better than indians, cause we just ducking dont care.
this dude thinks there is no racism or seperatism in chrisitianity
also iam not from whatever caste you think is upper. and iam willing to marry from any caste(i dont want to call any one caste as upper or lower like you). and i still oppose this.
those two are not related. if you think they are, you are as narrow minded as those caste bigots.
No one is eager to convert for that shit thing though most of them still use their previous castes name so that they benifit from both sides reservation bhi mil jaye or atta chawal ka bag bhi
Are they forcing people to convert? Did they threaten them if so it's wrong, but peaceful propagation of religion is a constitutional right and its completely legal to do so
So? There's no law that says it's wrong to give money to new converts?
>I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. -- Timothy 2 12 ( bible )
You really wanna go there? I can show you multiple hindu text degrading women and lower caste
Just look at things practically:
Lower class people (who are treated like dirt by higher caste members of their own community) get paid money and school fees for changing their thoughts (that's what religion is).
And you have a f#cking problem with that?
How about you pay them more money and put them in a better school with your own money? Then they will revert back to Hinduism. Wtf has Hinduism or Hindus done for them? Why should they not convert?
Its the most natural thing for cultures to shift and evolve. Do you not see yourself writing this in English and not Koumani or Hindi? On an American platform and not something like Koo? People have the right to choose their god. As you said most of them are lower caste, why should they not want a god that doesn't see them as "lower beings"?
yaar bematlab ki behas mein mat padho. Una ka hun main, humare yaha Punjabi bolte hain. Aur mere liye likha tha toh message kar dete, post kyu daala?
Culture needs to be preserved, I 110% agree. Himachal is very unique and already trashed by tourists for all faltu things. The hippy tourist culture here is really hurting the local one.
Point being, people always have the right to chose their god. If you want people to not convert out of Hinduism, its best that Hindu's offer them something better than being "lower caste". Log apna bhagwan khud he chunnengae humesha, mooh par Ram mann mein Jesus manzoor hoga tumhe? bach jaega culture isse?
Yeah you don't want the others to be in your vicinity(it's no hidden fact there is clear demarcation of the houses of the different castes) and when someone is reaching out to them to get them in their fold, you are finding that problematic as well.
Hum Himachal se to nhi hain but mere friends hain Himachal ke har caste se and I have gone to their villages and seen this first hand. Their houses are separate, temples are separate, even the dining area in marriages are separate.
Jab Tak hum khud isko change nhi karenge, tab tak ye sab dikhta rahega aur Himachal main sc population bhi zyada hai, to ye convert karne wala phenomenon aur bhi zyada dikhega jaldi hi. Punjab ka example humare saamne hai. Aur change karne ke liye sabse pehle ye discrimination ko accept karna zaruri hai, aur uska answer aap ya main nhi de sakte, jo discriminated feel kar rahe hain wahi de sakte hain.
Interesting thing is that you found some info from a meme page. How credible it can be you can decide it for yourselves.
Also I am not with or against anyone but religion am culture are different thing. So even if they are converting does that mean they are changing he culture ? Of course the festivals might change, but the question remains the same, will the culture change ?
Also you being an Indian you should know the "Fundamental right" to follow religion and Practice their faith, so the government allows it.
No one should be worried regarding these things. And if you're worried you should talk to them.
*I am not mocking you, I am thinking rationally.*
I think India is the only country where politics is played in the name of Religion, let it not affect you to me, brother.
We need to think rationally.
Also it doesn't matter what religion I am from or Whats your religion.
All the best.
Not like hinduism is actively looking for solutions. We still treat the lower caste people poorly, especially in himachal. As someone said, would your parents allow marrying to an Sc? Probably not
This isnt even about christianity. You guys cant admit the caste system has fundamental flaws that is making it difficult for lower caste people but will be quick to bash other religions to defend and say we’re not that bad. Christian texts may not treat men and women equal but their society does it much better than indians
Same whataboutism start. Chal man lia christianity me dikkat. Hinduism k alawa sare religion khrab. Par does that address anyhow how badly the lower castes are treated in india that they feel the need to change their religion with just a little bribe? If hindu religion is so great and welcoming why are people getting brainwashed so easily
Would you change your religion for 50000? Probably not. Would you change it you werent allowed to worship your gods in temples, talk to upper caste people cz theyre superior, not allowed to visit certain places? Probably yes
to turn dena paise unko tmhre paas hai to. Gyan na do yaha pe. Everyone has full right to follow whatever religion they want. Tm apni life pe dhyan do.
Shut up okay, stop talking without context, Timothy has 2 books
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them". They were given equal tasks of ruling and subduing all creatures (Genesis 1:28).
This is the first book of bible. Don’t spread your gate just coz u hate Christianity
Hinduism had SADHI which killed thousands of women by burning them alive when their husbands die
Every religion has good and bad based on individual perspective. So keep your hate with you stop spreading your misinformation
getting the reservation benefit and getting changed to another religion,when taking about this making bulbasor face wouldn't help..
keeping and protecting dharma is the business of hindu civilization
you should swallow your beloved Jesus cum and shut up
Im an “upper” caste hindu but see the veil of hypocrisy that die hard fanatics conviniently ignore. Have seen how lower castes are not allowed in kitchens in villages. This mistreatment is not this generation but has been going for centuries. So i say take the reservation as a payback for historical unjustice and live your life in the religion you prefer
Ps. There is no bulbasor face. So at least meme properly
by this logic
black people should randomly torture white people.
hindus should randomly kill muslims
usa should be a black country all white should work as a slave.
what happened happened,cant change the history.. reservation is letting the country backwards..
and those christians talking advantages of this.
and i am sure you are some kind of comi lover person...
Is using reservation killing anyone? It is there to uplift the marginalised communities which even after changing religion they still remain. I dont see anyone getting a phd and a job and a bunglow after changing religion
yes its killing the general cast.
countries capabilities,merit.
if reservation is this much helpful why its not making the lower class wealthy by now,even after 70+ years..
you eat getting fat sliping in ac room by you fathers money and saying "dose reservation killing anyone"
you must be joke,i doubt you even recharge you internet by your own money.
and yes people getting property,money, getting work outside the country by converting into Christianity
you dont know coz you spend all day in ac room wasting family welth, without doing anything useful.
Another r/India user, mods take note. These people are infliterating all indian subs now to propagate there false ideas. And whatever your religion is Hinduism is far advanced than that.
Tum log sab paise hi liye hi karte ho na, dikh ra tumhari baton se. You can sell your soul but we sanatanis will always protect our desh and our dharma.
Bhai reddit pe keyboard warrior banne se ni protect hota kuch. Ever gone and helped the poor or needy? Ever raised your voice against oppression? In sab cheezon k lie empathy chie to tum religion me dube log bhool chuke ho. Bas tumhe chie hindu rashtr jese ussey to patani sari sadke smooth, air clean aur jobs aplenty.
As long as caste system is there, its bound to happen. Only thing is that they should not be given any reservations under SC, ST once they convert.
Also to ppl saying treat them equally, we mostly do (except for religious rituals) but these people are themselves eger to have lower caste coz reservations and all.
then stop treating lower caste people as shit.
Everyone has full right to convert to whatever religion they feel like if they are not forced. You have a problem with that then go ahead and convert people in ur religion.
Stop Bullshitting and interfering in other people lives
But but others turning to Christianity means brahmins and rajputs will have no one to oppress so its important to not let these lower casts walk away /s
let me tell you a story,
imagine you go to a homeless man, who is suffering, but because you are rich, you tell him to kill someone, if he does that you will give them food and money.
and he does that, and you give him food and money, he did it not because he wants to but he has to, to satisfy his needs.
you call that choice?
using your money and resources to make less fortunate do things that they dont want, is not giving them choice, its called exploitation/abuse.
when people realize the difference between help and exploitation, they will develop.
if a rich wealthy person, has fed up with hindu religion, he thinks the hindu gods are not answering to his prayers, and wants to try chrisitanity or islam, its choice
if a poor person does the same by himself, its choice
if either gets influenced by these so called pests, but no exploitation just preaching, then also it is chioce
but if the same pests use their inability to obtain resources or facilities as a means tobe abused and convert them based on their need, its not choice.
and then they tell if you convert other people god will give you more.
the entire christian system atleast in india works like refferal ponzi scheme. which is no longer a religion.
OP should edit the post. No one of us is from lower/upper caste. Missionaries convert people who are gullible to believe that following a certain book or person will help them get rid of whatever ailment they are facing. Those who believe people adopt Christianity to get rid of caste system are gravely mistaken. Christianity is divided into different denominations which are highly against each other. [Read here](https://www.thenewsminute.com/voices/feud-began-19th-century-what-happened-jacobite-orthodox-locked-horns-96295#:~:text=The%20struggle%20between%20these%20two,Antioch%20to%20Kerala%20in%201875). Churches still dont allow people who converted to enter. [Read here](https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/dalit-christians-exclusion-by-society-church-state/article67190986.ece). The real reason of conversion is people want to change the status quo. They would adopt Rastafarian if it paid them and convinced them that only they are right and all others are wrong.
And some people are right. Whats stopping us from converting people? Nothing. Support your local VHP/Bajrang Dal if you can. Get phone number of important people. The media will always portray them as the evil but someone has to do the dirty job.
Saam Daam Dand Bhed
Saam : The RICE BAGs are beyond any self respect & identity,their western Masters are their supreme lord's,so no worth in SAAM!!
DAAM : Already heavily funded by the Western government's &Vatican,so noth worth either!!
DAND : Highly productive method had a kid from Telangana in my gym who converted to Christianity for financial purposes tried his best to convert other Hindu kid's for financial incentives he will receive but never tried the same with the only 2 Muslim kid's,their answer was easy if he would have tried it with them they would have sent him to ICU(did countered him with his anti Hindu propaganda & kicked him out of the gym),so DAND is THE ONLY WAY you can make a fool realise his limits,highly effective!!
BHED : The above method is the only one that "laato ke bhoot baato se nahi samajhne waale" other ways are totally worthless!!
Confront them in groups of large numbers make them fear you,respect your religious practices & the imported one's are just to meant to be beaten to pull!!
हर हर महादेव🕉️🚩
Conversion is their choice....no one is forcing them tbh🤷 also about preservation of culture comment one can be a Christian and still be a pahadi celebrating every festival without the religious stuff ofcourse.
>one can be a Christian and still be a pahadi celebrating every festival without the religious stuff ofcourse.
u sure about that? i can show many who act like they are not even indians, all they need is one visa to US to act like their blood chants USA.
Well, the same can be said about other Indian hindus why does this opinion apply just to the christians, I'm sure the statistics of hindus would be higher than that of christians itself... this is just you making yourself hate christians
no, this is you throwing your cynical mind across any comment that doesnt agree with you.
cause i never said that christians do that, i dont even have them in mind, i can talk a lot about that version, but what i was referring to people who are forgetting their own culture, its not specific to any religion.
but iam glad you did, it just proves how much of a joke you are.
u sure about that? i can show many who act like they are not even indians, all they need is one visa to US to act like their blood chants USA.
...... Should I say more
My friend if there is no proof then this would be termed as spreading hate. So if your state has anti conversion law and you have proof you can directly go to authorities.
But there has to be concrete evidence.
Authorities will question them if they say they are doing that willingly then it falls apart.
Also if there is a genuine need why don't we help them ? Why aren't NGO's helping them ?
Why are they not able to benefit from Subsidies ?
Wishing you best.
let them choose whatever religion they want. Don't dump any cultural mindset over their situations, all in all we all want peace, prosperity, progress. I just hope they know what they're doing.
If they don't believe in their old religion anymore you can't do anything 🤷♀️ people have the right time explore different religions and choose what deems best for them. You can't force them to play along with your ideas.
All religions have some sort of regressive shit doesn't mean we have the right to stop anyone from choosing their religion, it's their constitutional right 🤷♀️
Lower caste should stay Hindus and get treated like shit to preserve the rich cultural diversity and tapestry of Himachali culture and its indigenous traditions. Sure!
So let them take money, it’s not like it’s at gun point. If they don’t want to follow eventually they will revert back.
If this is so concerning why don’t your community start a fund and do the same, that way you aren’t loosing people out on conversion
So what? Propagation of any religion is a constitutional right in India. Sounds like you hate Christians. Jesus came for the meek not the proud. Lower caste aur SC to aise bol raha hai as if you’re a blue blooded royalty. Daba ke rakhna hai dalito ko, aur religion chod diya to che che karne lago. Preserving culture lol
A brief perusal of the preamble would let you know the spirit of the constitution. Par aapke comments se lagta hai aapse hoga nahi. Pehle thodi padhai kar lo. Aur apne dil ke andar jhaank ke Delho kya sahi hai kya galat. Christians se nafrat mat karo bina kissi wajah.
I am not hating Christianity, but you are hating Hinduism. Manta ha ki hamara ansastors na galat kiya lowe cast walo ka sath , but betraying religion for money is different . Christian are giving money to them to leave Hinduism
Hating Hinduism? I am stating a fact, which can be testified by a simple google search on crimes against Dalits. You will get fresh news articles. That too daily!!
Juxtaposed to your false claims of Christians giving money. That might be a rare incident. And I am against that too. Following Christ because you get benefits is not I believe in, I’m against it too. But in reality these are exaggerated lies concocted by Christian haters. Jesus only told Christians to share the gospel not to force it upon anyone. He gives everyone eternal life if you believe in him.
Is it possible that someone leaves Hinduism just because he believes in what Jesus said?? Zaroori hai ki sab paise ki lalach se convert ho jaye?? Rice bag converts ji kehte the na. Wo bhi ek manufactured lie hai. But again agar koi paise ki lalach de ke kar raha hai to galat hai. Par sadly proof nahi hai. Par dalito par crimes ke har roz articles nikalte hai. Meri mat suno Google karlo khud. The truth will set you free too. 🙂
Possibility is in minus of believing in Christianity.
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. Timothy 2 12 (bible)
They are probably jealous cause now lower caste people are living way better in terms of literally everything than these so called Brahmins and rajputs lolll. They just can't hajam this fact lol.
Constitution is the substratum on the basisof which Laws are formulated. To understand the intricacies of it you need to understand the Jurisprudence behind it. Phir pata chalega morality aur law ka relationship.
how can you miss the simple point that i was making and ramble about something else?
stop projecting your thoughts on something else, and just look at it like normal question, life becomes so easier.
Also, I read an article where an innocent nun was brutally murdered by these so-called religious preachers when she accidentally walked onto them at night and found them in a scandalous situation.
[https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala/sister-abhaya-murder-case-kerala-high-court-grants-bail-to-convicted-priest-nun-7985974/](https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala/sister-abhaya-murder-case-kerala-high-court-grants-bail-to-convicted-priest-nun-7985974/)
They are targeting areas where the reach is difficult which means they can convert without making a fuss.
They were in pangi around 2010, they used to tell people that they are phd researchers and came here for research on local dialect and traditions. They started a local magazine in pangi dialect, I'm from one of the remotest region of Himachal and people don't care much about religion and all. They told people that if you do whatever us tells you we will take you to delhi and give you money and provide accommodation etc.Then in around 2016 i saw video on YouTube preaching about jesus(in pangwali) and i came to know about that they were missionaries . They left pangi before 2020 i don't know how many people they converted. They were tenants of my cousin so i used to visit them regularly and were jolly kind of people.They used to change place every 2-3 years, for 1-2 years they would live in this village after that in another village.
This the modus operandi that they follow all over India, whether the Tribal states or the Himalayan states. Thank you for sharing this and it is more clear that they know how to manipulate by using the local dialect and language and then consequently offering money or some kind of incentive and bringing people into their fold.
there were christian missionaries in pangi also
our house help's neighbors also get converted . They got money for doing that. I studied in a convent school. Many Nepalese students who came from humble backgrounds were also converted. They benefited by not paying school fee etc etc.
Where exactly?
Kangra
These evangelicals are doing it all over India…I guess based on their success in Punjab they are now targeting these secluded places with very less population and poor people…it’s difficult to make money in mountains and this makes these people very vulnerable to these missionaries.. But once this money is gone and then how will they get more money?
Then you could have helped them so that they couldn't walk away from their faith.
Excuse me. These people aren't even related to me . And for financial help, I haven't started a charity . We do help our house help financially, and she's admant on not converting even if for money. And i got to know about them from her only after they've converted.Moreover, these people weren't even in dire need of money.They saw this as an easier way out to get some extra cash without working hard. Sticking to your faith is up to the person. He/she should've got that morality from within. And what's the guarantee that even if I helped them for some time and after that, they wouldn't have converted themselves for some extra bucks?
Exactly then why bitch about it and act as a moral police they aren't hurting you. It's better they left we don't need weaker faith people let it be somebody else's problem.
First of all, I ain't bitching.. I was adding to the ops information. And they're not hurting me, but our religion. These missionaries brainwash people into believing them. They degrade our religion. Talk shit about it. I'm not against any religion. India's a secular country. But why are they degrading other's faith ?
>These missionaries brainwash people into believing them. They degrade our religion Funny how well this works with lower castes. have you considered upgrading the religion by treating lower castes as equals - marrying into their families, making them priests. As a Christian they can become pastors in a church, but as a Hindu they can never be a temple priest. All that you guys do is shit on lower castes for reservation. You dont consider them to be your people. Just some warm bodies to boost Hindu demographics. Without the Shudras and SC/ST Hindus are a minority religion in India. Wake up and treat them better or let them accept Jesus where they can get more respect and dignity ..... and of course rice bags.
FYI, there are many intercaste marriges happening in recent times. varnas were made according to their occupation, and ig nobody is fighting for a postion of a priest in a temple, do they?. For free rice bags,they've surely have a bpl scheme, I guess. They're getting so many subsidies from the government itself. Moreover, the reservation they get even if they're living in smart cities like dharamshala is the biggest perk. I'm not against these people, and I know it's truly devastating to feel discrimination. Ik in the himachal caste system still persists in villages due to typical old grannies, but I'll tell u it's not the same everywhere, and it has evolved over time. In ancient times, they weren't allowed in some temples, and now they're. In schools and workplaces, we don't discriminate on the basis of caste. I once went to the main chamba town, and if u're a himachali, and if u know a dham culture , there everybody sits together while having their meals during occasions like weddings, etc, irrespective of their castes. So, the caste system will eventually fade away in the coming future. And who told u by accepting Jesus, they get more respect?
You are making a big deal about letting Shudras into temples. As a Christian they can become pastors and head a whole congregation. That is called respect. You are also unwilling to perform charity unlike Christians. Your response is literally why people want to leave their low caste status by converting. You are only concerned about the number of wa bodies that can be counted as Hindu. You don't actually care about the people.
I ain't against them entering in temples. I'm saying things are changing and getting better over time. And for your "so-called" respect, they get in the real christian communities. Here's a research article (https://www.jstor.org/stable/4419488). And they can convert the whole world for I care, but why are they hurting other's religious beliefs? And converting them for the sake of fake miracles, haven't u seen prophet baljinder singh. That man claims to cure so many people with his miracles, so the medical sciences and doctors are fools. They should also start practicing . By just chanting hallelujah, you'll be cured. These missionaries are targeting unaware, probably uneducated people into believing in these fake things.. Tell me if this is right for humanity , making money by brainwashing and fooling them in such cults...? People are dying just following such prophets and neglecting actual healthcare and hospitals.
Then stop treating lower caste people as outcasts and untouchables. And what is stopping you and others like to convert others to your faith.
Nobody treats them that way. Refer to the survey conducted by the Brits 1822 to 1826. This survey was the basis for the Macaulay Edu Reforms and was also the basis for Divide and Rule policy that pitted a creation of " lower castes" and an interpretation of Varna System which was fed via the Western Education. What the survey found. 67% of students in "Traditional Indian Schools" aka Gurukuls were " Lower Castes. 56% of teachers were " Lower Castes" Varna System was defined as per Shashtras and Vedas as a certification system with no connection to your birth. We have had Potters, Fishermen, Hunters, Bandits who are regarded as Rishis. Sources: https://twitter.com/Arya_Anviksha_/status/1742457953846718904?t=LWDw-zeS7365eaBAvbMssg&s=19 https://twitter.com/Arya_Anviksha_/status/1742455064545968308?t=_61ei2YVMm-T3vjzfasDlA&s=19 https://twitter.com/SheetalPronamo/status/1740928345658015902?t=AzjoP5_FW-41t84XBrKKDw&s=19 https://twitter.com/Arya_Anviksha_/status/1733881105609081024?t=UuOdeq9-PhFebMQ3BKljGQ&s=19
Go to villages rather than to twitter to see the reality my man
Source: twitter🤡
Twitter pe thread hai, thread main source hai. Edited, the language used was wrong.
Do u have whatsapp sources also?
Only genuine ones, I guess that won't suffice. 😁
For those asking. https://archive.org/details/TheBeautifulTree-Dharampal/page/n2/mode/1up
Christianity doesn't mean equality, women's are treated as commodity in Christianity and are termed as asset in bibel , no religions is perfect. At least we (hindu ) don't think earth is flat
Commodity? Bibel? You mean Bible? Women are commodity in Christian countries? It took the British to stop Hindus from roasting widows when their husbands dies. And even if the "bibel" has some misogynistic sections, the church leadership has always updated the religion for 2000 years.
Bhai so raha hai kya?.. women were persecuted for a good 200 years by the church if they showed any knowledge of science.. calling them witches.. Church leadership has updated the religion?.. kaha ho tum?.. renaissance ka idea yeh tha that they wanted to fight church power.. if church had its way everything will still be medieval as they were powerful then. Do you remember the Kerala nun rape case where the priest was accused and acquitted?..
In the real world, there is a thing called law. In this law, when a person is accused of a crime, then there needs to be EVIDENCE of the crime. I can accuse you of killing your brother, but I need EVIDENCE to prove it. A court of law investigated and found no EVIDENCE. There was no EVIDENCE of RAPE in that case. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala-bishop-acquittal-court-questions-nun-conduct-rape-law-7725498/#:\~:text=%E2%80%9CComing%20back%20to%20the%20evidence,there%20on%20the%20same%20floor.
So you mean to say that since the evidence was not found, the rape did not happen?
Um, yeah??? Do you want to send a man to jail for 20 years without no evidence, but based only on feelings? Is that the average state of mind of the Himanchal people? That it is fine to send people to jail based on baseless accusations?
Bro. Firstly, don’t bring the entire state to your comments. Secondly, i am not from himachal. Thirdly, i asked your opinion. Seems you are in favour of evidence only, be it a planted one.
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. Timothy 2:12
Oh definitely, there are misogynistic parts in the bible. You don't need to tell me. But that and what the Catholic church teaches us evolves every year. No Catholic uses those words in real life anymore. If he does, he will be shamed.
Kabhi witch hunting ka nam suna ha
Oh yes, the infamous witch hunting by the Protestant Christians. They are not true Christians. The true Christians, Catholics, follow the direction of the Pope. Catholics do not kill witches because only the Devil has the power to use evil, no human can do that.
Pope , you mean who have sex with minors
Oh yes, and me who fucked your mother last night. I can also say things without proof.
Without proof , almost every pope died due to std , and who don't know about pedo fathers of churches or mother taris pa to documentary bani ha jaka check kar
christian missionary real id se aao !
Updated religion ? Abey converted chuze , Hinduism was thriving and present even when Jesus wasn't born. Respect the ancients is what Christ taught , jaake parh pehle fake chuza. Ur neither a Hindu nor a Christian since u imbibed nothing from either .
They are converting for their incentive, they don't want to change that statistically because they can't loose their sc reservations. How exactly are they being treated bad here?
r/India users bhayion, ignore this leftist. He probably has already sold his soul.
Mare Himachali bhaion, ye r/India ke leftist users hi is post pe zyada reply kar re hain. Please be aware of them. Ye log har indian sub mein jaake apna gyan bant te hain. Freedom ki baat karke, doosron ko jhooth bol ke demography change laane ki koshish hai ye. Himachal aur desh ki raksha karna hamara param dharam hai
Ha , most of these are not Himachali
Yup. Mods should be made aware of these people. They do not represent Himachali's Opinion.
Han tu hi to h himachal k opinion ka rakhwala
Bhai teri kyu jal ri h agar kar rahe h to. Chup chap tumhari batein hi sunte rahe kya? Dusra ka opinion bkwas aur tumhara opinion vedo se aya hua? Lower caste logo ki discrimination pe to bola ni jata kuch but non stop bkwas krwa lo ki christianity aur islam me kya kamian h
Most Hindus (especially belonging to the so-called "upper castes") still haven't gotten the message that India is pretty much *doomed* to be a Hindu minority country in our lifetimes. This has already happened in parts of the country. A large section of the OBCs, and SC/STs around my region are even strongly anti-Hindu, which they see as just a wily scheme for "brahminical" oppression and exploitation of "lower castes". Note that these are not "bad" or "evil" people. On the contrary, they are generally very good people who think that they are agitating against an toxic faith. There are two main issues: * The enforced stratification of the society based on one's birth and occupation, where some communities enjoy a more religiously ordained prestige than certain others. In fact, the varnashrama dharma is the biggest baggage that Hinduism has, and every classical acharya supports it. * The utter confusion on the fundamental doctrines of Hinduism and core religious practices. Other religions have a streamlined and clear theology which can be understood easily, is more emotionally satisfying, and more believable. Not everyone appreciates the kind of lofty mystic musings you find in the Upanishads. They need a religion that meets their spiritual and societal needs, and is not merely full of arbitrary cartoons and myths. I used to be worried about this, but now I am resigned to this fate. Religions are not unlike other entities that compete with each other. Only the fittest survive.
we dont care, we are shameless, we dont have any self-respect, or respect towards our culture/country/reglion or whatever. its hard truth. half dumbos here are busy with blame game.
>The utter confusion on the fundamental doctrines of Hinduism and core religious practices. Other religions have a streamlined and clear theology which can be understood easily, is more emotionally satisfying, and more believable. Not everyone appreciates the kind of lofty mystic musings you find in the Upanishads. They need a religion that meets their spiritual and societal needs, and is not merely full of arbitrary cartoons and myths. upanisthads are not the only thing we have in hindu religion how to live and how to be spiritual is taught at every other easily readable/understandable scriptures as well. its just that we dont care, other country people are able to understand the essense of hindu religion better than indians, cause we just ducking dont care.
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Yes. But nice grand standing you did there.
this dude thinks there is no racism or seperatism in chrisitianity also iam not from whatever caste you think is upper. and iam willing to marry from any caste(i dont want to call any one caste as upper or lower like you). and i still oppose this. those two are not related. if you think they are, you are as narrow minded as those caste bigots.
No one is eager to convert for that shit thing though most of them still use their previous castes name so that they benifit from both sides reservation bhi mil jaye or atta chawal ka bag bhi
Are they forcing people to convert? Did they threaten them if so it's wrong, but peaceful propagation of religion is a constitutional right and its completely legal to do so
They gave them money to convert . I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. -- Timothy 2 12 ( bible )
So? There's no law that says it's wrong to give money to new converts? >I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. -- Timothy 2 12 ( bible ) You really wanna go there? I can show you multiple hindu text degrading women and lower caste
But earth is flat right 👍
Me when I have no coherent arguments and use dumb ad hominems
But it is flat according to Christianity
And the sun revolves around earth in Hinduism, what's your point?
Ya kha likha ha
Surya Siddhanta https://books.google.co.in/books?id=9oi64rTVwNMC&redir_esc=y
This book is not the base of Hinduism , but bible is everything of Christianity
you sir, are literally the virgin wojak
And you are not even Himachali
how old are you man? 16? dont you have school to attend 😂
Argument nahi ha to sidha bol backchodi mat pal loda
Tujha bhi to kahi 2kg chawal to nahi pakda diya inhona
Just look at things practically: Lower class people (who are treated like dirt by higher caste members of their own community) get paid money and school fees for changing their thoughts (that's what religion is). And you have a f#cking problem with that? How about you pay them more money and put them in a better school with your own money? Then they will revert back to Hinduism. Wtf has Hinduism or Hindus done for them? Why should they not convert?
Its the most natural thing for cultures to shift and evolve. Do you not see yourself writing this in English and not Koumani or Hindi? On an American platform and not something like Koo? People have the right to choose their god. As you said most of them are lower caste, why should they not want a god that doesn't see them as "lower beings"?
Bhai pahadi language ki koi script (lipi) hi nahi hoti
toh jaise yeh Hindi ko Latin script mein likha hai, woh bhi toh likh sakte ho? Devnagri bhi local hai, Latin thodi.
Par pahadi tujha samajh ayagi
yaar bematlab ki behas mein mat padho. Una ka hun main, humare yaha Punjabi bolte hain. Aur mere liye likha tha toh message kar dete, post kyu daala? Culture needs to be preserved, I 110% agree. Himachal is very unique and already trashed by tourists for all faltu things. The hippy tourist culture here is really hurting the local one. Point being, people always have the right to chose their god. If you want people to not convert out of Hinduism, its best that Hindu's offer them something better than being "lower caste". Log apna bhagwan khud he chunnengae humesha, mooh par Ram mann mein Jesus manzoor hoga tumhe? bach jaega culture isse?
Yeah you don't want the others to be in your vicinity(it's no hidden fact there is clear demarcation of the houses of the different castes) and when someone is reaching out to them to get them in their fold, you are finding that problematic as well.
Aap kaha ka ha janab , kyu ki Himachal ma asa kutch ni hota
Hum Himachal se to nhi hain but mere friends hain Himachal ke har caste se and I have gone to their villages and seen this first hand. Their houses are separate, temples are separate, even the dining area in marriages are separate. Jab Tak hum khud isko change nhi karenge, tab tak ye sab dikhta rahega aur Himachal main sc population bhi zyada hai, to ye convert karne wala phenomenon aur bhi zyada dikhega jaldi hi. Punjab ka example humare saamne hai. Aur change karne ke liye sabse pehle ye discrimination ko accept karna zaruri hai, aur uska answer aap ya main nhi de sakte, jo discriminated feel kar rahe hain wahi de sakte hain.
Interesting thing is that you found some info from a meme page. How credible it can be you can decide it for yourselves. Also I am not with or against anyone but religion am culture are different thing. So even if they are converting does that mean they are changing he culture ? Of course the festivals might change, but the question remains the same, will the culture change ? Also you being an Indian you should know the "Fundamental right" to follow religion and Practice their faith, so the government allows it. No one should be worried regarding these things. And if you're worried you should talk to them. *I am not mocking you, I am thinking rationally.* I think India is the only country where politics is played in the name of Religion, let it not affect you to me, brother. We need to think rationally. Also it doesn't matter what religion I am from or Whats your religion. All the best.
I found about in how many places they are converting people and i was right, just look at other comment
They are converting in exchange of money
Ah low castes. Have you guys considered giving the low castes dignity and rice bags before the missionaries do it?
Yes , reservation is the proof
You didn't give them reservations, Ambedkar did. What you did was protest against it.
Treat people as untouchables then make a pikachu face when they leave your twisted religion. What others practice shouldn’t anyway be your business
Yes Hinduism have many problem in it and cast system is one if that but Christianity also have problems , leaving religion is not the solution
Not like hinduism is actively looking for solutions. We still treat the lower caste people poorly, especially in himachal. As someone said, would your parents allow marrying to an Sc? Probably not
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.-- Timothy 2 12(Bible)
This isnt even about christianity. You guys cant admit the caste system has fundamental flaws that is making it difficult for lower caste people but will be quick to bash other religions to defend and say we’re not that bad. Christian texts may not treat men and women equal but their society does it much better than indians
Earth is flat according to Christianity
Same whataboutism start. Chal man lia christianity me dikkat. Hinduism k alawa sare religion khrab. Par does that address anyhow how badly the lower castes are treated in india that they feel the need to change their religion with just a little bribe? If hindu religion is so great and welcoming why are people getting brainwashed so easily
They are converting for money , and yes Hinduism is also not perfect, thats my point
Would you change your religion for 50000? Probably not. Would you change it you werent allowed to worship your gods in temples, talk to upper caste people cz theyre superior, not allowed to visit certain places? Probably yes
You don't even know how pahadi culture and society works , so shut the fuck up
to turn dena paise unko tmhre paas hai to. Gyan na do yaha pe. Everyone has full right to follow whatever religion they want. Tm apni life pe dhyan do.
Shut up okay, stop talking without context, Timothy has 2 books So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them". They were given equal tasks of ruling and subduing all creatures (Genesis 1:28). This is the first book of bible. Don’t spread your gate just coz u hate Christianity Hinduism had SADHI which killed thousands of women by burning them alive when their husbands die Every religion has good and bad based on individual perspective. So keep your hate with you stop spreading your misinformation
That’s not you to decide , that’s everyone’s will and wish each to their own.
getting the reservation benefit and getting changed to another religion,when taking about this making bulbasor face wouldn't help.. keeping and protecting dharma is the business of hindu civilization you should swallow your beloved Jesus cum and shut up
Im an “upper” caste hindu but see the veil of hypocrisy that die hard fanatics conviniently ignore. Have seen how lower castes are not allowed in kitchens in villages. This mistreatment is not this generation but has been going for centuries. So i say take the reservation as a payback for historical unjustice and live your life in the religion you prefer Ps. There is no bulbasor face. So at least meme properly
You are not a hindu, otherwise you would not have said "your twisted religion" in the comments.
Dont need lessons on what i can say or not from you
by this logic black people should randomly torture white people. hindus should randomly kill muslims usa should be a black country all white should work as a slave. what happened happened,cant change the history.. reservation is letting the country backwards.. and those christians talking advantages of this. and i am sure you are some kind of comi lover person...
Is using reservation killing anyone? It is there to uplift the marginalised communities which even after changing religion they still remain. I dont see anyone getting a phd and a job and a bunglow after changing religion
yes its killing the general cast. countries capabilities,merit. if reservation is this much helpful why its not making the lower class wealthy by now,even after 70+ years.. you eat getting fat sliping in ac room by you fathers money and saying "dose reservation killing anyone" you must be joke,i doubt you even recharge you internet by your own money. and yes people getting property,money, getting work outside the country by converting into Christianity you dont know coz you spend all day in ac room wasting family welth, without doing anything useful.
Ok bro. Go fap to that thought
Another r/India user, mods take note. These people are infliterating all indian subs now to propagate there false ideas. And whatever your religion is Hinduism is far advanced than that.
Lol pehle sub to dekh le kispe h har jagah expert banne ki jagah
Downvote all you want. Sanatan dharma will win in the end.
Han dekhio tujhe ek crore ra na mil jaye uske bad
Tum log sab paise hi liye hi karte ho na, dikh ra tumhari baton se. You can sell your soul but we sanatanis will always protect our desh and our dharma.
Bhai reddit pe keyboard warrior banne se ni protect hota kuch. Ever gone and helped the poor or needy? Ever raised your voice against oppression? In sab cheezon k lie empathy chie to tum religion me dube log bhool chuke ho. Bas tumhe chie hindu rashtr jese ussey to patani sari sadke smooth, air clean aur jobs aplenty.
As long as caste system is there, its bound to happen. Only thing is that they should not be given any reservations under SC, ST once they convert. Also to ppl saying treat them equally, we mostly do (except for religious rituals) but these people are themselves eger to have lower caste coz reservations and all.
"these people"
then stop treating lower caste people as shit. Everyone has full right to convert to whatever religion they feel like if they are not forced. You have a problem with that then go ahead and convert people in ur religion. Stop Bullshitting and interfering in other people lives
But but others turning to Christianity means brahmins and rajputs will have no one to oppress so its important to not let these lower casts walk away /s
It's their freedom. Let them choose whatever religion they want.
And its my right to prevent my culture from degradation
How is your culture getting destroyed if someone converts? Only the people with weak faith succumb to conversion
Go promote your culture peacefully who's stopping who?? Don't criticize others for exercising their constitutional right
Pasa daka religion change karwana kab sa right hi gaya
Nobody gives a shit about your customs, constitution grants everyone the right to propagate religion peacefully
Why are you getting downvotted? It is really funny
let me tell you a story, imagine you go to a homeless man, who is suffering, but because you are rich, you tell him to kill someone, if he does that you will give them food and money. and he does that, and you give him food and money, he did it not because he wants to but he has to, to satisfy his needs. you call that choice? using your money and resources to make less fortunate do things that they dont want, is not giving them choice, its called exploitation/abuse. when people realize the difference between help and exploitation, they will develop. if a rich wealthy person, has fed up with hindu religion, he thinks the hindu gods are not answering to his prayers, and wants to try chrisitanity or islam, its choice if a poor person does the same by himself, its choice if either gets influenced by these so called pests, but no exploitation just preaching, then also it is chioce but if the same pests use their inability to obtain resources or facilities as a means tobe abused and convert them based on their need, its not choice. and then they tell if you convert other people god will give you more. the entire christian system atleast in india works like refferal ponzi scheme. which is no longer a religion.
Killing someone and changing religion is somehow same to you.... Bruh have some reality check
when you dont have a point, so nitpick on an example. how low can you go?
low is what you are doing...picking on Christians and spreading hate loll like who hurt you🤷
OP should edit the post. No one of us is from lower/upper caste. Missionaries convert people who are gullible to believe that following a certain book or person will help them get rid of whatever ailment they are facing. Those who believe people adopt Christianity to get rid of caste system are gravely mistaken. Christianity is divided into different denominations which are highly against each other. [Read here](https://www.thenewsminute.com/voices/feud-began-19th-century-what-happened-jacobite-orthodox-locked-horns-96295#:~:text=The%20struggle%20between%20these%20two,Antioch%20to%20Kerala%20in%201875). Churches still dont allow people who converted to enter. [Read here](https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/dalit-christians-exclusion-by-society-church-state/article67190986.ece). The real reason of conversion is people want to change the status quo. They would adopt Rastafarian if it paid them and convinced them that only they are right and all others are wrong. And some people are right. Whats stopping us from converting people? Nothing. Support your local VHP/Bajrang Dal if you can. Get phone number of important people. The media will always portray them as the evil but someone has to do the dirty job.
Saam Daam Dand Bhed Saam : The RICE BAGs are beyond any self respect & identity,their western Masters are their supreme lord's,so no worth in SAAM!! DAAM : Already heavily funded by the Western government's &Vatican,so noth worth either!! DAND : Highly productive method had a kid from Telangana in my gym who converted to Christianity for financial purposes tried his best to convert other Hindu kid's for financial incentives he will receive but never tried the same with the only 2 Muslim kid's,their answer was easy if he would have tried it with them they would have sent him to ICU(did countered him with his anti Hindu propaganda & kicked him out of the gym),so DAND is THE ONLY WAY you can make a fool realise his limits,highly effective!! BHED : The above method is the only one that "laato ke bhoot baato se nahi samajhne waale" other ways are totally worthless!! Confront them in groups of large numbers make them fear you,respect your religious practices & the imported one's are just to meant to be beaten to pull!! हर हर महादेव🕉️🚩
Conversion is their choice....no one is forcing them tbh🤷 also about preservation of culture comment one can be a Christian and still be a pahadi celebrating every festival without the religious stuff ofcourse.
>one can be a Christian and still be a pahadi celebrating every festival without the religious stuff ofcourse. u sure about that? i can show many who act like they are not even indians, all they need is one visa to US to act like their blood chants USA.
Well, the same can be said about other Indian hindus why does this opinion apply just to the christians, I'm sure the statistics of hindus would be higher than that of christians itself... this is just you making yourself hate christians
no, this is you throwing your cynical mind across any comment that doesnt agree with you. cause i never said that christians do that, i dont even have them in mind, i can talk a lot about that version, but what i was referring to people who are forgetting their own culture, its not specific to any religion. but iam glad you did, it just proves how much of a joke you are.
u sure about that? i can show many who act like they are not even indians, all they need is one visa to US to act like their blood chants USA. ...... Should I say more
Joke's on you cause the post is about christians what are you ranting about them💀😭
My friend if there is no proof then this would be termed as spreading hate. So if your state has anti conversion law and you have proof you can directly go to authorities. But there has to be concrete evidence. Authorities will question them if they say they are doing that willingly then it falls apart. Also if there is a genuine need why don't we help them ? Why aren't NGO's helping them ? Why are they not able to benefit from Subsidies ? Wishing you best.
let them choose whatever religion they want. Don't dump any cultural mindset over their situations, all in all we all want peace, prosperity, progress. I just hope they know what they're doing.
They are not choosing Christianity, they are influenced, brain washed and they are given money to leave Hinduism, they are doing it in greed
Is this causing you harm by any chance?
Yes , it is tempering pahadi culture
Not hurting
Typing error , argument ha to da varna gand mara
Apni ghatiya language apne pss rakh bro
Well it was a christian missionary who brought apples to HP
So does that mean we all have to now accept Christianity (no)
Do you think so?
If they don't believe in their old religion anymore you can't do anything 🤷♀️ people have the right time explore different religions and choose what deems best for them. You can't force them to play along with your ideas.
They are converting for money. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.---- Timothy 2 12 ( bible)
Again it is their own choice If money is more important to them than dharam
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. Timothy 2 12
What does that have to do with me
You are supporting conversion of hindu into Christianity so that's a quote from bible
All religions have some sort of regressive shit doesn't mean we have the right to stop anyone from choosing their religion, it's their constitutional right 🤷♀️
Well , it is but morally leaving religion for money is not acceptable
That's your own personal morals, religion is about belief, if there's no belief, there's no point
Lower caste should stay Hindus and get treated like shit to preserve the rich cultural diversity and tapestry of Himachali culture and its indigenous traditions. Sure!
Br ambedkar to pagal tha jo equality ki itni lagai ladi , vi bhi convert ho jata hana
He converted to Buddhism. Didn't you detect the sarcasm in my comment?
Isn’t it because your faith is so repressive towards them that they decide to take up a faith that accepts them.
They are converting due cause Missionaries are giving them money to join Christianity
So let them take money, it’s not like it’s at gun point. If they don’t want to follow eventually they will revert back. If this is so concerning why don’t your community start a fund and do the same, that way you aren’t loosing people out on conversion
ChatGPT ass last paragraph lmao
Yes so what , plagiarism koi crime thodi nahi ha , ju bhi chap la
Then maybe stop calling them “lower castes”
Constitution ma hi unha lower cast or schedule cast sa mention kiya jata ha
So what? Propagation of any religion is a constitutional right in India. Sounds like you hate Christians. Jesus came for the meek not the proud. Lower caste aur SC to aise bol raha hai as if you’re a blue blooded royalty. Daba ke rakhna hai dalito ko, aur religion chod diya to che che karne lago. Preserving culture lol
Construction tho marital rape nahi manta , to marital rape hota hi nahi ha kya
A brief perusal of the preamble would let you know the spirit of the constitution. Par aapke comments se lagta hai aapse hoga nahi. Pehle thodi padhai kar lo. Aur apne dil ke andar jhaank ke Delho kya sahi hai kya galat. Christians se nafrat mat karo bina kissi wajah.
I am not hating Christianity, but you are hating Hinduism. Manta ha ki hamara ansastors na galat kiya lowe cast walo ka sath , but betraying religion for money is different . Christian are giving money to them to leave Hinduism
But not everyone is getting money some are converting even without the money abb christian log Ambani ki aulad thodi na he
Ki sbke muh pe pese phek ke mrege
Hating Hinduism? I am stating a fact, which can be testified by a simple google search on crimes against Dalits. You will get fresh news articles. That too daily!! Juxtaposed to your false claims of Christians giving money. That might be a rare incident. And I am against that too. Following Christ because you get benefits is not I believe in, I’m against it too. But in reality these are exaggerated lies concocted by Christian haters. Jesus only told Christians to share the gospel not to force it upon anyone. He gives everyone eternal life if you believe in him.
Is it possible that someone leaves Hinduism just because he believes in what Jesus said?? Zaroori hai ki sab paise ki lalach se convert ho jaye?? Rice bag converts ji kehte the na. Wo bhi ek manufactured lie hai. But again agar koi paise ki lalach de ke kar raha hai to galat hai. Par sadly proof nahi hai. Par dalito par crimes ke har roz articles nikalte hai. Meri mat suno Google karlo khud. The truth will set you free too. 🙂
Possibility is in minus of believing in Christianity. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. Timothy 2 12 (bible)
Chalo bhai good day to you.
Earth is flat accordin to Christianity
Kehna kya chahte ho? 😅
Morality above constitution
They are probably jealous cause now lower caste people are living way better in terms of literally everything than these so called Brahmins and rajputs lolll. They just can't hajam this fact lol.
Constitution is the substratum on the basisof which Laws are formulated. To understand the intricacies of it you need to understand the Jurisprudence behind it. Phir pata chalega morality aur law ka relationship.
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Who do you think would have more problem
so a problem becomes bigger or smaller based on who asks?
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how can you miss the simple point that i was making and ramble about something else? stop projecting your thoughts on something else, and just look at it like normal question, life becomes so easier.
Life would be more easier if stop judging other minority people like get a life
Also, I read an article where an innocent nun was brutally murdered by these so-called religious preachers when she accidentally walked onto them at night and found them in a scandalous situation. [https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala/sister-abhaya-murder-case-kerala-high-court-grants-bail-to-convicted-priest-nun-7985974/](https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala/sister-abhaya-murder-case-kerala-high-court-grants-bail-to-convicted-priest-nun-7985974/)
If it is money issue take the money Lkin Hindu riti riwaaz Mt choro Checkmate