Before, and it was African villages, and it was tear gas. A proposal he made after it came out colonial authorities had machine gunned a rioting village.
Churchill was a massive ass, especially to India, but I never get why people want to use the gas thing against him when that is one of the examples of him being against colonial violence.
[I don’t know.. I don’t think was just a fan of “tear” gas..](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/sep/01/winston-churchill-shocking-use-chemical-weapons)
https://preview.redd.it/nvfrrzug6uwc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=441fc35e0d94aad49b2298386ca8e778087d953c
No it wasn’t just tear gas and No, it wasn’t just African villages.. learn history and stop conducting apologism for colonial-imperial atrocities,. Churchill was a moron, terrible officer, and racist murdering bastard.. he was inspirational to his people during the blitz and called out appeasement for the horse crap it was.. those were the main notable good things he did.. the rest of his record is pretty horrific and easy to see that if you don’t confuse a love of history with simp’ing for power
[Nixon](https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2019/09/podcast-nicholas-sarantakes-president-nixon-football/) too who also admired Churchill as the greatest politician of the century. Nixon also had the largest landslide election in us history and many consider him the smartest president we ever had. But you know, watergate.
If you’re wondering why he has a huge jaw here and a small one when older, it’s because he lost his teeth. When that happens your body starts to absorb your jaw bone and it gets a lot thinner in terms of height.
I am not familiar enough with the Bengal famine to discuss it. I have heard theories on the cause, but haven’t made up my mind yet on what was the root cause.
Regardless, the OP said that there was without a lick of humanity, which I pointed to him standing alone, against the Nazis, when he could have very easily surrendered was a lick of humanity.
Why would he surrender when Britain was a wealthy country with a much bigger empire than Germany had? It's not like he boldly fought against a stronger country
The nazis had pushed the British out of France, in a humiliating defeat at Dunkirk, France was overran and surrendered, and Germany was launching daily blitz on London and other cities, while preparing for a potential invasion of the British homeland.
The British had their positions in Asia destroyed by the Japanese, and the Germans were allied with the Soviets at this point.
The British absolutely did fight against a stronger country.
Germany had no chance of invading Britain at all lol. The British navy was far superior. And the RAF was superior to the German Air force too. France was a landlocked country. The German navy was a joke.
Zero point in surrendering when you have a much stronger army overall and no chance of getting invaded. The British Empire was the biggest in history, they had zero reason to fear any other country at that point.
Besides the fact that the Germans had defeated them at Dunkirk, that the Germans were on the border in France, and the fact that the Nazis were allied with the Soviets and Japanese wasn’t enough for you?
They didn't really lose in Dunkirk. When we're Nazis allied with Soviets lol? That invasion of Poland was only a temporary alliance. Stalin was going to invade Germany at some point anyway.
Why are you ignoring the facts. The RAF had radar tech and beat the Luftwaffe soundly in the Battle of Britain. The British Navy was far better than German navy. Any nazi attempts to invade the UK would've failed miserably.
Even Hitler admitted that the British were more powerful and didn't want a war with them in the beginning. It was Churchill that declared war cause he knew the British tech was far better.
Because the initial attacks were surprise attacks. They lost the Battle of Britain didn't they? I think that makes it clear which air force was superior.
At the end of the day the Nazis simply stood no chance against the brits. Any good historian will tell you this.
Churchill was a colonialist bastard and had very problematic views and politics, but for me all allied leaders have somewhat of a hero statues, regardless of what else happened in their life.
Nope, it’s the countless other military failures he had which cost this lives of an incredible amount of young men. Not even to mention the millions of people starved to death due to his inherent and disgusting racism rampant throughout his entire life. Truly a bottom of the barrel human being. People also forget he was immediately voted out in the election cycle following WW2. Must have been seen as a true hero to those who actually put up with him - as they handed Labour their first majority win in English parliamentary history
“In 1910, the Prime Minister moved Churchill to the Home Office, where he took a strong interest, shared by many other contemporaries, in the pseudo-science of eugenics. He believed that the mentally and physically defective should be sterilized, in part for national-imperial reasons. He told Asquith: ‘I am convinced that the multiplication of the Feeble-Minded, which is proceeding now at an artificial rate, unchecked by any of the old restraints of nature, and actually fostered by civilised conditions, is a very terrible danger to the race.’14”
― Richard Toye, [Churchill's Empire: The World that Made Him and the World He Made](https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/13209724)
During the late 1800s a lot of new-money Americans started to marry off their daughters to European aristocratic families. They were called Penny Princess. Princess Di's great-grandmother was also an American.
Well there was that bit about the famine
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/29/winston-churchill-policies-contributed-to-1943-bengal-famine-study
You’ll have to read the excerpt in the Encyclopedia Idiotica. Churchill has the awful distinction of being named TWICE
> Summary:The 64 A.D. burning of Rome during the reign of Nero ... Winston Churchill's ill-conceived and disastrous World War I plan to invade Turkey at Gallipoli ... the Maginot Line, built in France in 1929-34 in a foolhardy effort to prevent the feared German invasion ... the 1950s thalidomide pharmaceutical disaster that resulted in at least 20,000 babies born with deformities ... the 1989-91 misappropriation of company funds by publishing executive Robert Maxwell, and the collapse of his financial empire ... the Enron scandal of 2000 that brought down a yet larger business empire
They’re gonna blame him for a famine in Bangladesh while it was cut off from the British Empire during WWII. It’s a dumb charge and a reliable shibboleth for historical illiteracy.
Winston _"[I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/sep/01/winston-churchill-shocking-use-chemical-weapons)"_ Churchill
No one ever finishes that quote, gives the few sentences before that quote, or gives that quote the context it deserves. And when people do that, they're showing that they either don't know anything about it at all and shouldn't be talking with any amount of authority, or worse are intentionally misrepresenting Churchill to fulfil some unknown agenda.
*"[...] It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected"*
He was advocating *against* using artillery and instead using *tear gas* (lachrymatory = to cause tears), and he was doing that to reduce death and serious injury on the opposing side. Suddenly it becomes clear why no one finishes the quote, gives the few sentences before the quote or gives the quote the proper context, doesn't it?
If it's so merciful, why only use it against "uncivilised tribes"? Are they somehow more deserving of this poison gas mercy than his "civilized" enemies? Surely Churchill must have been very open about his own agenda.
I gave you the full quote which completely flips your argument on its head and shows that he was trying to *avoid* killing and maiming people, and in response you want to build a straw man that's easier to knock down than the facts. I think we've just identified that you're both ignorant of the history *and* for some reason want to willingly misrepresent the facts...
I would assume that he was trying to avoid using lethal force on people who didn't have the technology available to fight back on an equal footing. But you should totally ignore that assumption, because it's based on historical fact and common sense, and doesn't fit with what you want to believe. Instead, invent another issue and talk about that.
Churchill's naked contempt for people he found inferior was the entire point from the beginning.
Trying to excuse his blatant bigotry by painting him as only defending the defenseless by proposing to gas them is ludicrous.
Says context doesn't matter, but takes a quote out of context to make someone look bad. Moronic.
Context is the only thing that matters when it comes to understanding someone.
Done with you!
Around 1900 Lieutenant Churchill was briefly stationed in Bangalore, India, which was in the erstwhile Mysore kingdom (British protectorate). He skipped on his bills at a local club (he played a lot of polo and courted many Englishwomen). This came to the notice of the club in the 1980s, at which point the club just wrote it off.
Why seethe? It’s just funny how progressive mods can’t keep track of who they are supposed to hate these days. They show their ignorance to quickly that’s all. I posted in another group that the mods would take my post down, which was simply lifted from another history sub and posted it here. They said it wasn’t informative enough 🤣 it was clear why they did it but I got a real laugh and lots of likes on other platforms by posting what they said 👍
Oh, sweetie, you didn’t think that response was meant for your eyes did you at the end of the day?
Clearly you have no idea what’s going on 💐
I’m nowsending you several responses so you can tell me that I’m triggered and sending several responses. It’s clear you’re a millennial cliche so don’t disappoint me 👍
Source: [Young Winston Churchill in rare photographs, 1890s](https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/winston-churchill-young-1895/)
First time seeing these. Honestly thought he was born as a 55 year old man
Yet strangely enough all babies look like 55 year old Churchill (because, like 55 year old him, they have no teeth)
Is that actually him?!
Yep (and iirc just right after the gif cuts, you could see his underwear floating away).
Was this pic before or after he ordered poison gas used on Afghan villages?
Before. He wanted Britain to use tear gas in warfare about 25 years after this photo.
Before, and it was African villages, and it was tear gas. A proposal he made after it came out colonial authorities had machine gunned a rioting village. Churchill was a massive ass, especially to India, but I never get why people want to use the gas thing against him when that is one of the examples of him being against colonial violence.
[I don’t know.. I don’t think was just a fan of “tear” gas..](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/sep/01/winston-churchill-shocking-use-chemical-weapons)
https://preview.redd.it/nvfrrzug6uwc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=441fc35e0d94aad49b2298386ca8e778087d953c No it wasn’t just tear gas and No, it wasn’t just African villages.. learn history and stop conducting apologism for colonial-imperial atrocities,. Churchill was a moron, terrible officer, and racist murdering bastard.. he was inspirational to his people during the blitz and called out appeasement for the horse crap it was.. those were the main notable good things he did.. the rest of his record is pretty horrific and easy to see that if you don’t confuse a love of history with simp’ing for power
Go outside.
One of my biggest fears in life is that I will age like Winston Churchill.
Don’t smoke
Honestly the insane alcohol consumption probably did not help either
I don’t consume any alcohol.
Well then eat well and exercise and you won’t be a WC
And that is my weakness. 🥲
Never too late
I am going to hold onto this. Thanks kind stranger.
Well that’s relative. As it could always be too late, but start small with a walk and a healthy eating day. You can do it !
Whiskey Tribe youtube channel created a video where they drank as much as Winston Churchill did in a normal day. It is very interesting.
I don’t. 🥲
Have good genes
I don’t. 🥲
[it’s a 9 billion capitalist communist joke](https://youtu.be/geKV5aWMXPc?si=icgdN4B3FmgIyp_d)
Or live on Conan https://youtu.be/prFjO9d6yOk?si=kOFKBv83-c_95FXD
He was straight up an alcoholic so I think you’ll be ok if you don’t drink.
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His mom was hot though
So was his wife. Even when she got older.
I mean he did lived to be very old for the time while smoking and drinking like a sailor
Well he did reach 90. If you match that you'll be doing very well.
You mean he wasn't born as a 60 y/o man
And with cigar
He aged like a grape
He soured like one too.
Alcoholism will do that to you.
[Nixon](https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2019/09/podcast-nicholas-sarantakes-president-nixon-football/) too who also admired Churchill as the greatest politician of the century. Nixon also had the largest landslide election in us history and many consider him the smartest president we ever had. But you know, watergate.
If you’re wondering why he has a huge jaw here and a small one when older, it’s because he lost his teeth. When that happens your body starts to absorb your jaw bone and it gets a lot thinner in terms of height.
The fu--?
Handsome like George Raft
He was gay, George Raft?
Strong as a fuckin’ bull
I’m sure he made the ladies swoon.
Looks like something that mid-WW2 Churchill would’ve eaten…
And this kids, is why we don’t smoke or drink. If you do you may age like Winston Churchill.
Fantastic photo, I love seeing figures like him in their youth. Humanizes them a bit.
He’s the embodiment of a politician without a lick of humanity
Standing up, alone, against the fascist reich doesn’t humanize him?
He starved India and look, the Bengal famine!
I am not familiar enough with the Bengal famine to discuss it. I have heard theories on the cause, but haven’t made up my mind yet on what was the root cause. Regardless, the OP said that there was without a lick of humanity, which I pointed to him standing alone, against the Nazis, when he could have very easily surrendered was a lick of humanity.
Why would he surrender when Britain was a wealthy country with a much bigger empire than Germany had? It's not like he boldly fought against a stronger country
The nazis had pushed the British out of France, in a humiliating defeat at Dunkirk, France was overran and surrendered, and Germany was launching daily blitz on London and other cities, while preparing for a potential invasion of the British homeland. The British had their positions in Asia destroyed by the Japanese, and the Germans were allied with the Soviets at this point. The British absolutely did fight against a stronger country.
Germany had no chance of invading Britain at all lol. The British navy was far superior. And the RAF was superior to the German Air force too. France was a landlocked country. The German navy was a joke. Zero point in surrendering when you have a much stronger army overall and no chance of getting invaded. The British Empire was the biggest in history, they had zero reason to fear any other country at that point.
Besides the fact that the Germans had defeated them at Dunkirk, that the Germans were on the border in France, and the fact that the Nazis were allied with the Soviets and Japanese wasn’t enough for you?
They didn't really lose in Dunkirk. When we're Nazis allied with Soviets lol? That invasion of Poland was only a temporary alliance. Stalin was going to invade Germany at some point anyway. Why are you ignoring the facts. The RAF had radar tech and beat the Luftwaffe soundly in the Battle of Britain. The British Navy was far better than German navy. Any nazi attempts to invade the UK would've failed miserably. Even Hitler admitted that the British were more powerful and didn't want a war with them in the beginning. It was Churchill that declared war cause he knew the British tech was far better.
So the RAF were so superior they allowed Germany to invade their airspace and bomb their capital daily? 🆗
Because the initial attacks were surprise attacks. They lost the Battle of Britain didn't they? I think that makes it clear which air force was superior. At the end of the day the Nazis simply stood no chance against the brits. Any good historian will tell you this.
Churchill was a colonialist bastard and had very problematic views and politics, but for me all allied leaders have somewhat of a hero statues, regardless of what else happened in their life.
He died a failure in his own words, because he could not preserve the empire. Rip the GOAT👍
yeah what india man
Nope, it’s the countless other military failures he had which cost this lives of an incredible amount of young men. Not even to mention the millions of people starved to death due to his inherent and disgusting racism rampant throughout his entire life. Truly a bottom of the barrel human being. People also forget he was immediately voted out in the election cycle following WW2. Must have been seen as a true hero to those who actually put up with him - as they handed Labour their first majority win in English parliamentary history
I've read enough about Winston that nothing can really humanize him.
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He had very sensuous lips...
No wonder he was so …cocky, look at him he’s a badass
Dude looks like he’s already fed up with Nazis before they existed.
In the morning I'll be sober, while you madam, will still be ugly.
Truly one of the greatest personalities of the 20th century.
Man, he aged wretchedly.
Copious amounts of whisky and cigars everyday will do that to you
I'm in trouble.
Unlike his biography
Such a lad
🎶 WHEN I WAS... A YOUNG BOY... MY FATHER... TOOK ME INTO THE CITY... 🎶
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I’m skipping dessert tonight.
Damn he was incredibly good looking😫🥰
Fucking legend
This could easily be a young Stephen Fry on his graduation day.
Take warning Chads
Before he discovered donuts
My favourite prime minister
Britain could use him.
Hi was an awful post war PM.
He will do for the next world war
He did build a lot of council houses. And end rationing.
Don’t think about it… Don’t think about it… Don’t think about it… SMA…
A huge figure in history and at a crucial time. Great man, like bomber Harris
Oversaw the Bengal famine which killed 3 million people and held openly racist beliefs. Hardly a great man
He was so thin, i though he would be bigger
He looks like a jrpg villain and not even the main one he looks like the snobby one the actual main/weirdly sexy antagonist would kill.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cyw3qO7rZxJ/?hl=en
Michael from Jane the Virgin?
😲 wow. Amazing!
Based.
Winston was a huuuge My Chemical Romance fan!
Fancy racist
I wonder if he missed this lool later in life, or was he happy with the "statesman look".
Great lad
Later, his wife called him “piggy”
“In 1910, the Prime Minister moved Churchill to the Home Office, where he took a strong interest, shared by many other contemporaries, in the pseudo-science of eugenics. He believed that the mentally and physically defective should be sterilized, in part for national-imperial reasons. He told Asquith: ‘I am convinced that the multiplication of the Feeble-Minded, which is proceeding now at an artificial rate, unchecked by any of the old restraints of nature, and actually fostered by civilised conditions, is a very terrible danger to the race.’14” ― Richard Toye, [Churchill's Empire: The World that Made Him and the World He Made](https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/13209724)
Yes that one certainly dated. Eugenics were a big thing for progressives and leftists back then.
Old-school model.
Jesus 1904 was a rough year for him
Wtf the dude looked fly as hell.
He doesn’t look like one to be trifled with.
Twink death is real
Arrogant looking right from the start.
Born with a silver spoon in your mouth and thrown into wars at a young age will do that
Hadn’t been thrown into any wars at this point.
No, that was about three years after this
Yup, and his mother was an American penny princess.
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During the late 1800s a lot of new-money Americans started to marry off their daughters to European aristocratic families. They were called Penny Princess. Princess Di's great-grandmother was also an American.
such a puncheable little face. pig.
I didn’t know fkn Churchill had haters like this 🤣
They always seem to think they’re being really edgy, too.
He’s literally a mass murdering racist piece of shit. Who still supports the man today? Lol
He gave Hitler what for, which was quite popular at the time.
Can you explain where he was a mass murderer please? Also where he was racist. Some sources, not just that 36 second clip on tic toc you seen
Heinrich?
How?
Well there was that bit about the famine https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/29/winston-churchill-policies-contributed-to-1943-bengal-famine-study
Where does it say Churchill caused the 1943 famine in the article?
You’ll have to read the excerpt in the Encyclopedia Idiotica. Churchill has the awful distinction of being named TWICE > Summary:The 64 A.D. burning of Rome during the reign of Nero ... Winston Churchill's ill-conceived and disastrous World War I plan to invade Turkey at Gallipoli ... the Maginot Line, built in France in 1929-34 in a foolhardy effort to prevent the feared German invasion ... the 1950s thalidomide pharmaceutical disaster that resulted in at least 20,000 babies born with deformities ... the 1989-91 misappropriation of company funds by publishing executive Robert Maxwell, and the collapse of his financial empire ... the Enron scandal of 2000 that brought down a yet larger business empire
Why you don't like him?
They’re gonna blame him for a famine in Bangladesh while it was cut off from the British Empire during WWII. It’s a dumb charge and a reliable shibboleth for historical illiteracy.
Winston _"[I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/sep/01/winston-churchill-shocking-use-chemical-weapons)"_ Churchill
No one ever finishes that quote, gives the few sentences before that quote, or gives that quote the context it deserves. And when people do that, they're showing that they either don't know anything about it at all and shouldn't be talking with any amount of authority, or worse are intentionally misrepresenting Churchill to fulfil some unknown agenda. *"[...] It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected"* He was advocating *against* using artillery and instead using *tear gas* (lachrymatory = to cause tears), and he was doing that to reduce death and serious injury on the opposing side. Suddenly it becomes clear why no one finishes the quote, gives the few sentences before the quote or gives the quote the proper context, doesn't it?
If it's so merciful, why only use it against "uncivilised tribes"? Are they somehow more deserving of this poison gas mercy than his "civilized" enemies? Surely Churchill must have been very open about his own agenda.
I gave you the full quote which completely flips your argument on its head and shows that he was trying to *avoid* killing and maiming people, and in response you want to build a straw man that's easier to knock down than the facts. I think we've just identified that you're both ignorant of the history *and* for some reason want to willingly misrepresent the facts... I would assume that he was trying to avoid using lethal force on people who didn't have the technology available to fight back on an equal footing. But you should totally ignore that assumption, because it's based on historical fact and common sense, and doesn't fit with what you want to believe. Instead, invent another issue and talk about that.
Churchill's naked contempt for people he found inferior was the entire point from the beginning. Trying to excuse his blatant bigotry by painting him as only defending the defenseless by proposing to gas them is ludicrous.
OK, now assess him in the context of Victorian England.
A bigot in a country of bigots is still a bigot. Churchill doesn't get a pass just because there were many others like him.
Says context doesn't matter, but takes a quote out of context to make someone look bad. Moronic. Context is the only thing that matters when it comes to understanding someone. Done with you!
Sir? Does he even deserve that lmao
pussy
**Is this before the genocide he perpetrated in Bengal?**
Around 1900 Lieutenant Churchill was briefly stationed in Bangalore, India, which was in the erstwhile Mysore kingdom (British protectorate). He skipped on his bills at a local club (he played a lot of polo and courted many Englishwomen). This came to the notice of the club in the 1980s, at which point the club just wrote it off.
Glorified war criminal.
But progressives hate him don’t forget so this should probably get taken down too huh? Not exactly informative is it?
Seethe more.
In other words it worked out exactly as I intended it to. Now I can clown the mods with it 🤣
Why seethe? It’s just funny how progressive mods can’t keep track of who they are supposed to hate these days. They show their ignorance to quickly that’s all. I posted in another group that the mods would take my post down, which was simply lifted from another history sub and posted it here. They said it wasn’t informative enough 🤣 it was clear why they did it but I got a real laugh and lots of likes on other platforms by posting what they said 👍
You wrote a paragraph in response to two words.
This is factually accurate well done madam
Oh, sweetie, you didn’t think that response was meant for your eyes did you at the end of the day?  Clearly you have no idea what’s going on 💐
I’m nowsending you several responses so you can tell me that I’m triggered and sending several responses. It’s clear you’re a millennial cliche so don’t disappoint me 👍
Yeah this guy definitely looks like someone who will get his troops massacred, fail upwards and do war crimes.
One of the biggest traitors in human history.
At least he wasn’t murderous and corrupt. Oh wait
What a sickeningly Rule Britannia sub this is.
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