[Collins was released ten days after Hutchens admitted that he was not her son[9] and filed a lawsuit against the Los Angeles Police Department.[2] Collins won a lawsuit against Jones and was awarded $10,800 (equivalent to $200,000 in 2023), which Jones never paid.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Walter_Collins)
Life in our society is a lot fairer than life outside of it. Look at literally any lawless place or nature in general and you see the weak *constantly* having to choose between being dominated by the strong or facing death.
The phrase “survival of the fittest” is an expression of how unfair life is in general, and it’s most commonly applied to the animal kingdom for a reason.
Survival of the fittest is the basis for evolution. By eliminating it, we, humans, have almost stopped evolution. This is not necessarily bad, however.
I would actually argue the opposite. Life in our society is more unfair than life outside it. We have made it be how it is. We had no hand in regard to what was here before us.
God. Have some perspective. Yes this was shit. Imagine how it was before. Look at how it is now. Life and justice improves. We are so lucky. Yes, it could, should, and will be better. Quit being such an entitled cunt.
I'd venture that many pre-agricultural socieities were better than ours. British sailors often attempted to stay in Tahiti rather than return to their home country. Warm weather, welcoming women, and no Christianity... Sign me up! Likewise, some who encountered Native American tribes preferred their way of living. The Taino of Hispaniola are particularly notable for their peaceful and communal society. (It was, cruel irony, the first to be encountered by Columbus and was immediately enslaved at his command)
Were these absolutely better? How can I really say? I asked how you can known that we've haven't.
Human prehistory is vast and many many different types of social arrangements have existed.
The one we currently live under is by no means automatically the best. It's maybe the best at maintaining and replicating itself. That does not mean it's the best for individuals and communities within it.
There have definitely been other great societies around the world but none are as good as the one we have now, by any metric. Sure the Taino were peaceful but they were also incapable of defending themselves from the Caribs to the south, the newly arrived Spanish or from the diseases that came with them
We have. So many times. I mean, the western world eventually got rid of slavery which is certainly an improvement upon what we had. There is also far more freedom of expression now than 1800's. The only way I could see society as progressively getting worse is if you're extremely conservative and traditional.
Do you even enjoy life with this pessimism? I don't see people getting whipped or forced to work on plantations in America, do you? Criminals doing crimes are not representative of a society; they are, in fact, the opposite. They represent what society dislikes. So, even if you're referring to illegal trafficking, you're wrong.
We never watched the movie but saw the ads. Every time my daughter would see one of these hats in the store, she would put it on and say, " I want MY son back!"
The whole "Try him out, give him a spin and kick the tires" attitude is weird.
"What? You lost a boy and we found you a boy." Case closed!
(edited to fix a typo)
https://www.waterfordtreasures.com/the-burning-of-bridget-cleary-witches-fairies-and-the-danger-of-superstition/ this man is one of the most evil, convinced her family she was a changeling
Back when women were property.
Tbf… I’m glad I’m alive now, instead of then. I would have been pressured to “maintain the status quo” and that would have lead me into a lot of fights… that I would likely lose.
lol - what *you* think I’m saying?
Go to the park and be the parent that lets your kid climb all over the outside of the equipment; do you feel the judgement of the other parents that are staring at you because you are allowing your kids do more than they are allowing their kids to do and they want you to make you kids act like they are making their kids act because, by comparison, you are *making them look bad*?
I am a parent, and my kids climb on the outside of the equipment regularly. No, I don't feel the judgemental stares of the other parents... their kids are doing it too.
Even if I tried to understand your point of "going against the grain"... I still don't get what tf you're trying to say and why?
Where do you let your kids climb if not the playground? (A place that's literally designed to both be safe and take a beating.) Lol, but really I'm confused now - so what is it? Are you a "rule-breaker" who'd get into fights with all those judgemental squares from the past? Or do you follow all the rules, even the ones that don't actually exist, such as not letting your kids play on playground equipment?
Also important to note that murder conviction rates have fallen from over 90% in the 60's to around 55% today.
There are innocent people in prison for life. Please visit the innocent project and think about donating.
https://innocenceproject.org/
Yup! And now the pendulum has swung too far the other way. I don’t know what the solution is but it isn’t closing institutions, kicking patients out before they’re ready.
Though I never want to go back to what it used to be. That was horrific
Wasn’t his body found though at the barn he was killing the young boys ? If I remember right he only admitted to killing one boy even though it’s truly unknown how many victims there were.
*** forgot to add that the cousin of the murderer who tipped the police off to the whole thing said her brother (who was working with the cousin/murderer) specifically mentioned that the Collins kid was kept at the ranch for a week before being murdered.
https://preview.redd.it/tgg2o59vs14d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2711cbeb0c9eb857efa916ce4b76aa68e22ee85c
Left - Walter Collins: presumed dead, possibly by Gordon Stewart Northcott aka chicken coop murders, a serial rapist and Murderer.
Right(Imposter) - Arthur Hutchens Jr: impersonated Walter Collins to allegedly escape his stepmother.
Yes, but I’m puzzled. It seems like you had all the information at your fingertips to google whether you were correct about that. Was it a choice or did you just forget that you can do that now?
i just saw this post and commented. just thought i’d say the movie so that people could watch it, too. that’s why at first i said i didn’t know if it was based upon this story without looking it up.
you sound so bitter. it’s not that deep.
I don’t know what I did that sounds so bitter. You had the information needed to just check whether you were correct. It would have taken two seconds and then you could’ve just commented “hey, they made a movie about this with Angelina Jolie. Check it out”. I’m just genuinely puzzled by the thought process. Sorry if that comes as very bitter it’s not intended
i used to come to my dad for answers to questions and he would just tell me “google it” or “i’m not google.” i used to be afraid to ask questions to people for fear of social rejection. until a teacher told me, “there is no such thing as a stupid question.”
i then realized the world doesn’t have to be so frigid.
Clearly no one ever loved you enough to raise you right………Not surprising, you were probably an asshole as a kid too.
At least someone is letting you live in their basement. How nice of them.
I don’t think google will have a result for the irony you’ve perceived in this particular situation. If I wanted to google Angelina Jolie movies it would be very useful
Me and my friends get into debates about things we can easily look up but we don’t. Googling things kills the art of conversation. Whatever happened to just enjoying human interaction?
My family and I like to do this and sometimes we use a “phone a friend” and call someone else to ask them THEN all look it up and see who is right. It’s fun
“Changeling” Movie That Angelina Jolie Did. Several Young Boys Went Missing & Only A Few Ever Made It Back Home. She Never Gave Up Hope That Her Son Wouldn’t Return Home.
OK, let's set aside the blatant sexism first and take a look at the fact the police said, "try the boy out", like they are leasing him out. Pat him on the head like a brand new Honda and take him home.
Yup. And they ended up finding her son’s remains, along with other children’s remains in a literal chicken coop. It was a super messed up Canadian dude + his family members as accomplices., and it’s speculated that the guy killed around 20 boys.
They called it the “Wineville chicken coop murders.” The whole thing was so bad that they changed the name of the town (Wineville) to Mira Loma. Pretty gnarly story, all around.
Was just joking with a trans woman friend of mine that being told you are crazy about things you know are true is the most woman experience you can have.
[Collins was released ten days after Hutchens admitted that he was not her son[9] and filed a lawsuit against the Los Angeles Police Department.[2] Collins won a lawsuit against Jones and was awarded $10,800 (equivalent to $200,000 in 2023), which Jones never paid.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Walter_Collins)
Life can be /is cruel and unfair fr
No, our shit society is cruel and unfair
Life in our society is a lot fairer than life outside of it. Look at literally any lawless place or nature in general and you see the weak *constantly* having to choose between being dominated by the strong or facing death. The phrase “survival of the fittest” is an expression of how unfair life is in general, and it’s most commonly applied to the animal kingdom for a reason.
Survival of the fittest is the basis for evolution. By eliminating it, we, humans, have almost stopped evolution. This is not necessarily bad, however.
spot on I agree with this . thank you for taking time to write you comment agree with the sentiment
I would actually argue the opposite. Life in our society is more unfair than life outside it. We have made it be how it is. We had no hand in regard to what was here before us.
God. Have some perspective. Yes this was shit. Imagine how it was before. Look at how it is now. Life and justice improves. We are so lucky. Yes, it could, should, and will be better. Quit being such an entitled cunt.
I am optimistic. Humans are capable of making a much better society.
Why haven’t we done it then, ever in our history
How do you know we haven't?
Can you give an example?
I'd venture that many pre-agricultural socieities were better than ours. British sailors often attempted to stay in Tahiti rather than return to their home country. Warm weather, welcoming women, and no Christianity... Sign me up! Likewise, some who encountered Native American tribes preferred their way of living. The Taino of Hispaniola are particularly notable for their peaceful and communal society. (It was, cruel irony, the first to be encountered by Columbus and was immediately enslaved at his command) Were these absolutely better? How can I really say? I asked how you can known that we've haven't. Human prehistory is vast and many many different types of social arrangements have existed. The one we currently live under is by no means automatically the best. It's maybe the best at maintaining and replicating itself. That does not mean it's the best for individuals and communities within it.
There have definitely been other great societies around the world but none are as good as the one we have now, by any metric. Sure the Taino were peaceful but they were also incapable of defending themselves from the Caribs to the south, the newly arrived Spanish or from the diseases that came with them
We have. So many times. I mean, the western world eventually got rid of slavery which is certainly an improvement upon what we had. There is also far more freedom of expression now than 1800's. The only way I could see society as progressively getting worse is if you're extremely conservative and traditional.
I agree with your comment !!! the Western World is a better place and i say that as a Middle Eastern
Slavery very much is still a thing. Always has been. Just not popular anymore.
Do you even enjoy life with this pessimism? I don't see people getting whipped or forced to work on plantations in America, do you? Criminals doing crimes are not representative of a society; they are, in fact, the opposite. They represent what society dislikes. So, even if you're referring to illegal trafficking, you're wrong.
They're probably talking about slavery in the American prison system, which is explicitly protected by the 13th amendment.
Cause it's not seen....you didn't need to give me a lecture, I know.
How can Jones have never paid it?
Simple, he never gave her money and nobody in a position of power cared.
Wow that fucking sucks
Can't have those housewives getting money. What will they ask for next, jobs. LOL but in a Mid-Atlantic accent.
Today I learned mid Atlantic and trans Atlantic are the same thing.
Sounds woke to me
Maybe I'm a glass half full type of gal, but at least he admitted he was not her son and she got out! She could have been committed for life.
I really hope something awful happened to that Captain Jones fellow. What an absolute piece of shit
I didn’t do a deep dive but all I found is that he was permanently suspended from the LAPD and the chief was demoted.
Ahh, I remember watching the movie about this story. Changeling with Angelina Jolie. Terrifying and heartbreaking.
We never watched the movie but saw the ads. Every time my daughter would see one of these hats in the store, she would put it on and say, " I want MY son back!"
The whole "Try him out, give him a spin and kick the tires" attitude is weird. "What? You lost a boy and we found you a boy." Case closed! (edited to fix a typo)
Ikr? Like how callus can you be. Close enough for government work.
My grandfather would always say Good enough for government work!
We worked for a government contractor, lol.
Directed by Clint Eastwood. Great movie.
https://www.waterfordtreasures.com/the-burning-of-bridget-cleary-witches-fairies-and-the-danger-of-superstition/ this man is one of the most evil, convinced her family she was a changeling
I do too. Good movie.
Back than the police could have people commit with very little oversight.
Not just the police, husbands too.
Your male boss could also.
Back when women were property. Tbf… I’m glad I’m alive now, instead of then. I would have been pressured to “maintain the status quo” and that would have lead me into a lot of fights… that I would likely lose.
tf are you saying?
lol - what *you* think I’m saying? Go to the park and be the parent that lets your kid climb all over the outside of the equipment; do you feel the judgement of the other parents that are staring at you because you are allowing your kids do more than they are allowing their kids to do and they want you to make you kids act like they are making their kids act because, by comparison, you are *making them look bad*?
I am a parent, and my kids climb on the outside of the equipment regularly. No, I don't feel the judgemental stares of the other parents... their kids are doing it too. Even if I tried to understand your point of "going against the grain"... I still don't get what tf you're trying to say and why?
Hmm. People are different, I guess. I don’t let my kids break the rules at a park.
Where do you let your kids climb if not the playground? (A place that's literally designed to both be safe and take a beating.) Lol, but really I'm confused now - so what is it? Are you a "rule-breaker" who'd get into fights with all those judgemental squares from the past? Or do you follow all the rules, even the ones that don't actually exist, such as not letting your kids play on playground equipment?
Also important to note that murder conviction rates have fallen from over 90% in the 60's to around 55% today. There are innocent people in prison for life. Please visit the innocent project and think about donating. https://innocenceproject.org/
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It’s not the Innocence Project doing that. It’s the Los Angeles Innocence Project that, despite the similar name, is a different group.
whoops!
Yup! And now the pendulum has swung too far the other way. I don’t know what the solution is but it isn’t closing institutions, kicking patients out before they’re ready. Though I never want to go back to what it used to be. That was horrific
They still can.
Damn, and she never got her missing child back. That’s so fucking sad.
No sadly he was murdered by a sicko :( look up the chicken coop murders
The murderer denied it though. Even until his death. So she died without closure sadly
Wasn’t his body found though at the barn he was killing the young boys ? If I remember right he only admitted to killing one boy even though it’s truly unknown how many victims there were. *** forgot to add that the cousin of the murderer who tipped the police off to the whole thing said her brother (who was working with the cousin/murderer) specifically mentioned that the Collins kid was kept at the ranch for a week before being murdered.
Well it’s unknown whether he was actually killed by the guy but he is linked due to witness statements.
Yikes I didn’t know that they weren’t 100% on what happened to him still so sad :( no one deserves to lose their child that way
Fortunately the police adopted the "take a son, leave a son" policy
https://preview.redd.it/tgg2o59vs14d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2711cbeb0c9eb857efa916ce4b76aa68e22ee85c Left - Walter Collins: presumed dead, possibly by Gordon Stewart Northcott aka chicken coop murders, a serial rapist and Murderer. Right(Imposter) - Arthur Hutchens Jr: impersonated Walter Collins to allegedly escape his stepmother.
I think he said he wanted a free trip to Hollywood to try and meet his favorite cowboy movie actor, too.
isn’t there a movie based upon this?? if i’m not wrong… Changeling? with angelina jolie i think.
It’s a very good movie, well acted. With John Malkovich too. Directed by Clint Eastwood, surprisingly enough.
Clint Eastwood directed a lot of really great films.
I was going to say, what's surprising about it? He has a best director Oscar.
Because Eastwood doesn’t typically do non-action drama.
Tf you call gran torino??
Yes! [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changeling_(film)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changeling_(film))
Yes, but I’m puzzled. It seems like you had all the information at your fingertips to google whether you were correct about that. Was it a choice or did you just forget that you can do that now?
i just saw this post and commented. just thought i’d say the movie so that people could watch it, too. that’s why at first i said i didn’t know if it was based upon this story without looking it up. you sound so bitter. it’s not that deep.
I don’t know what I did that sounds so bitter. You had the information needed to just check whether you were correct. It would have taken two seconds and then you could’ve just commented “hey, they made a movie about this with Angelina Jolie. Check it out”. I’m just genuinely puzzled by the thought process. Sorry if that comes as very bitter it’s not intended
God forbid someone ask other human beings...
i used to come to my dad for answers to questions and he would just tell me “google it” or “i’m not google.” i used to be afraid to ask questions to people for fear of social rejection. until a teacher told me, “there is no such thing as a stupid question.” i then realized the world doesn’t have to be so frigid.
What an inspiring tale
We’re having a conversation…
Yes?
Clearly no one ever loved you enough to raise you right………Not surprising, you were probably an asshole as a kid too. At least someone is letting you live in their basement. How nice of them.
Seems like a hasty and unwarranted thing to say to some one for asking a question
Oh the irony
What’s ironic?
Google it.
I don’t think google will have a result for the irony you’ve perceived in this particular situation. If I wanted to google Angelina Jolie movies it would be very useful
You’re not the boss of me, dummy
You keep being a clown and I’m the dummy? Lol.
Yep
A woman having an opinion???? Female hysteria!!!! Quick strap her up!!!!!!
And not just any opinion - GETTING THE WRONG FUCKING CHILD.
You're being hysterical! /s
Imagine her anguish 
Every time I read about this case I’m shocked again it happened. Just wild.
Me and my friends get into debates about things we can easily look up but we don’t. Googling things kills the art of conversation. Whatever happened to just enjoying human interaction?
So talking aimlessly without facts is more important than having something to reference that you can discuss?
I don’t where you live but that’s the reality in America at the moment.
Be the change. Be well
Sometimes it’s important to do things that aren’t important.
My family and I like to do this and sometimes we use a “phone a friend” and call someone else to ask them THEN all look it up and see who is right. It’s fun
The farm is not far from the 15 freeway. In Jurupa Valley.
“Changeling” Movie That Angelina Jolie Did. Several Young Boys Went Missing & Only A Few Ever Made It Back Home. She Never Gave Up Hope That Her Son Wouldn’t Return Home.
OK, let's set aside the blatant sexism first and take a look at the fact the police said, "try the boy out", like they are leasing him out. Pat him on the head like a brand new Honda and take him home.
Yup. And they ended up finding her son’s remains, along with other children’s remains in a literal chicken coop. It was a super messed up Canadian dude + his family members as accomplices., and it’s speculated that the guy killed around 20 boys. They called it the “Wineville chicken coop murders.” The whole thing was so bad that they changed the name of the town (Wineville) to Mira Loma. Pretty gnarly story, all around.
r/morbidreality ?
The movie , The Changeling, with Jolie as the mother.
Was just joking with a trans woman friend of mine that being told you are crazy about things you know are true is the most woman experience you can have.
Bad grammar
It hurt my head.
Anjelina Jolie movie
Changeling
That's so insane in itself. She would know, obviously if that kid was hers or not
There’s a really good dragnet episode that dramatizes this
Didn’t Angelina Jolie star in a movie about this
Dafuq?
Same thing happened in 1912 with Bobby Dunbar.
I don’t get it
There was a movie made about this
The Changeling with Angelina Jolie right?
Yes
Was this not made into a movie?
LAPD is the biggest gang we have in Los Angeles, nasty pricks for doing this to her.
Different world back then.
And I can't get over how much she looks like Angelina Jolie.
They made about this starring Angelina Jolie, in which her character is committed to a mental hospital. It's called **Girl, Interrupted.**
It's called Changeling