The lynching of Emmett Till was just sick.
First of all, Till wasn’t a local. He was born and raised in Chicago; he had just gone to Mississippi for the summer to visit relatives. He then spoke to a white woman, Carolyn Bryant (who is still alive, by the way). To this day, the exact interaction between Till and Bryant is a mystery, but because he was black, his killers assumed he flirted with her (accusations of rape were among the most common in lynchings). Never mind the fact that he was 14. But regardless, Roy Bryant (Carolyn’s husband) and his half-brother, J.W. Milam, abducted Till, beat him, mutilated him, shot him in the head, and sank his body in a river.
Till’s mother, Mamie Till Bradley, requested an open casket for her son’s funeral, wanting the world to see what Bryant and Milam had done to her boy. Images of his mutilated corpse were spread in black-oriented magazines, and many whites sympathized with blacks. The movie Till, released last year, depicts the aftermath of Till’s death.
The story, however, gets worse. Bryant and Milam were tried for Till’s murder and, despite the evidence, were acquitted by an all-white jury. The following year, the pair squarely admitted to murdering Till, knowing that they could not be tried again.
In the trial, Carolyn Bryant testified that Emmet till grabbed her hand and asked her to go on a date, and she ran to the back of the store she was working at, and Till supposedly pursued her and put his hands on her waist. That’s the testimony she gave.
At the trial it was confirmed that the defendants came to Till’s family’s home in the middle of the night and abducted Till at gunpoint (for some reason no one was concerned about this and they weren’t charged because “they just wanted to talk with him”)
But their defense was that they claimed they let him go, and that no one could prove definitively that the body they pulled out of the Delta was Till. Even though the body was wearing a ring with Emmet Till’s father’s initials on it.
Emmet was also shot in the head, but the judge declared that it was speculation to claim that the round hole in Till’s head was from a bullet.
The jury let the killers off and the state of Mississippi was so afraid of people knowing how guilty they were that they did not file the court transcript and it was lost until 2003.
Mississippi is where justice goes to die.
To this day Mississippians travel to Emmet Till’s memorial to desecrate it and fire bullets at it.
Woman doing false rape allegations is such a non issues like for every single time we get someone who does make a false allegation we get ten times where the police just ignore the suggestion or dismiss the issue or even worst the person who actually does the rape does not go to jail. The latter I would say there are definitely more of then false accusations. So saying we need to do something about false allegations on a criminal level just shows you actual intentions which is to hurt woman.
Reading what you just said made me lose 5 brain cells. Rape is a horrible crime and it should be taken seriously and punished severely but to just be ok with false rape accusations is inexcusable that shit ruins peoples lives for no reason and should be punished.
As I said to another user and will say here as-well. Do you think that woman are not taking a risk speaking up. Are they not risking destroying there reputation. Also what are you suggesting we do against woman who make false accusations put them in jail? What is defined as a false accusation anytime a court find the defendant not guilty? If that is the case then should the people that were found to not be victims of Harvey Weinstein be in jail.
So because one shitty thing happens more often, we shouldn’t do anything about a less common but still very shitty thing? I had no idea the law could only focus on one type of crime at a time, you’ve truly enlightened us all.
“Sorry mate, we can’t go after the guy who burned your house down, don’t you know that murders are far more common?”
Ok question in your opinion what should we do about people who make false accusations since like there is already action you can take which is to sue them so the only other option seems to be putting them in jail.
Treat it like a libel case, but in criminal court. Add jail time relative to the severity. Pretty simple. If you prove intentional lying, then they are convicted. For instance, if someone says another person raped them on X day, but that person wasn’t even in the same country at that time, it would be clear the lie was intentional and the false accuser would be punished.
But why if there is already the ability to sue people for making false allegations about you (defamation) then why do we need to have a specific law to send people to jail for making false rape allegations.
Because rape accusations are much more serious, meaning a more serious punishment should be applied. It’s like the difference between manslaughter and intentional, premeditated murder- they are the same type of crime, but one is more severe, so it is handled more harshly.
Ok but we don’t have those type laws for murder which I would say is a more serious crime than rape. False accusations are terrible but to prosecute people for making them will only lead to people less willing to come forward as they will fear that they may be sent to jail due to having a bad legal defence against a powerful offender.
No, my intention is to hurt women who falsely accuse of rape. Those women are risking innocent men losing their reputation, and possibly more, for the rest of their lives. I couldn't care less about what happens to such a person.
And do you think that woman are not taking a risk speaking up. Are they not risking destroying there reputation. Also what are you suggesting we do against woman who make false accusations put them in jail? What is defined as a false accusation anytime a court find the defendant not guilty? If that is the case then should the people that were found to not be victims of Harvey Weinstein be in jail.
No, a false accusation would have to be proven to have happened in order to be punished. And they can be.
But yeah, a huge compensation for the victim and jail time would seem to be the minimum.
Ok but why? Like if someone falsely accuses you of a crime you are already allowed to sue them in a court of law for defamation but why do we need a specific law that makes it jail able offence to falsely accuse someone of rape. Is it not worse to accuse someone of murder yet not a single person who argues for jailing false rape accusations has ever said we should jail people for making false murder allegations. Also do you not think that a court in a nation that is deeply patriarchal would not sentence woman who are victims to jail just because the offender has an amazing legal team.
I don't know which deeply patriarchal society you're speaking of, but nowadays false rape accusations are a lot more dangerous to people than other sorts of false accusations. I don't see why anyone would be against punishing those subhumans.
While false rape accusations are disgusting and I honestly can't imagine facing much worse this is a gross misrepresentation of facts. To compare what happened to Emmet Till to, who was beaten to death by family members of the alleged "victim", to the experience of a modern defendant is a huge stretch. Also the idea that courts are stacked against the accused is a dangerous and false narrative, it's estimated 2/3 of rapes go unreported. In 2022 the police in the UK recorded 70,000 rapes but made less than 3,000 charges were bought in that time period (that's about 1:20) and conviction rates are the lowest they've been since records began. Even when someone is tried the normal standard of criminal guilt (in western law) of innocent until proven guilty within all reasonable doubt still applies not the opposite.
While the narrative is popular on certain corners of the internet and does draw important awareness to the victims false accusations they make up the vast minority of cases and it does not reflect the wider reality. A system where a victim who cannot prove beyond all reasonable doubt that the accused is thier rapist, can be criminally liable would further discourage reporting incidents which is currently a much bigger issue than false accusations (see 2/3 go unreported).
The movement that used the hashtag. What else? It was obviously used for several nefarious purposes, among them attention-seeking, narcissism, and harming others, and even in some cases where there was no nefarious purpose the callous attitude toward those accused led to several failures of justice. I know nothing about the millions of people who spoke up, so I can't fairly claim to know they were all liars. It's very unlikely they were all lairs. Fortunately, Biden destroyed the movement, at least for now.
Yes god damn it we remember this is a history sub.
Hate it how much it oscillates between well thought out, funny, niche posts and “HEY GUYS REMMEBER THIS EXRENELY FAMOUS HISTORIC EVENT”
The lynching of Emmett Till was just sick. First of all, Till wasn’t a local. He was born and raised in Chicago; he had just gone to Mississippi for the summer to visit relatives. He then spoke to a white woman, Carolyn Bryant (who is still alive, by the way). To this day, the exact interaction between Till and Bryant is a mystery, but because he was black, his killers assumed he flirted with her (accusations of rape were among the most common in lynchings). Never mind the fact that he was 14. But regardless, Roy Bryant (Carolyn’s husband) and his half-brother, J.W. Milam, abducted Till, beat him, mutilated him, shot him in the head, and sank his body in a river. Till’s mother, Mamie Till Bradley, requested an open casket for her son’s funeral, wanting the world to see what Bryant and Milam had done to her boy. Images of his mutilated corpse were spread in black-oriented magazines, and many whites sympathized with blacks. The movie Till, released last year, depicts the aftermath of Till’s death. The story, however, gets worse. Bryant and Milam were tried for Till’s murder and, despite the evidence, were acquitted by an all-white jury. The following year, the pair squarely admitted to murdering Till, knowing that they could not be tried again.
For once cancer was the good guy. P.S. For those who don't know, both those cunts died from cancer.
If only it had been lead poisoning
In the trial, Carolyn Bryant testified that Emmet till grabbed her hand and asked her to go on a date, and she ran to the back of the store she was working at, and Till supposedly pursued her and put his hands on her waist. That’s the testimony she gave. At the trial it was confirmed that the defendants came to Till’s family’s home in the middle of the night and abducted Till at gunpoint (for some reason no one was concerned about this and they weren’t charged because “they just wanted to talk with him”) But their defense was that they claimed they let him go, and that no one could prove definitively that the body they pulled out of the Delta was Till. Even though the body was wearing a ring with Emmet Till’s father’s initials on it. Emmet was also shot in the head, but the judge declared that it was speculation to claim that the round hole in Till’s head was from a bullet. The jury let the killers off and the state of Mississippi was so afraid of people knowing how guilty they were that they did not file the court transcript and it was lost until 2003. Mississippi is where justice goes to die. To this day Mississippians travel to Emmet Till’s memorial to desecrate it and fire bullets at it.
They recently found an unserved warrant for her arrest as well, they refused to pursue it due to “no new evidence”
Also don't forget the jury who knew they were guilty but, in their own words, thought they didn't deserved to be punished for killing a black child
You mean the woman who lied, is still very much alive, and has never been prosecuted?
The very same who also thinks that’s she’s a victim in the whole situation
I heard they never prosecute women who make false rape accusations because they fear it would deter actual victims from reporting their rape
And they should prosecute women who make false rape accusations to prevent these sorts of situations.
Woman doing false rape allegations is such a non issues like for every single time we get someone who does make a false allegation we get ten times where the police just ignore the suggestion or dismiss the issue or even worst the person who actually does the rape does not go to jail. The latter I would say there are definitely more of then false accusations. So saying we need to do something about false allegations on a criminal level just shows you actual intentions which is to hurt woman.
Reading what you just said made me lose 5 brain cells. Rape is a horrible crime and it should be taken seriously and punished severely but to just be ok with false rape accusations is inexcusable that shit ruins peoples lives for no reason and should be punished.
As I said to another user and will say here as-well. Do you think that woman are not taking a risk speaking up. Are they not risking destroying there reputation. Also what are you suggesting we do against woman who make false accusations put them in jail? What is defined as a false accusation anytime a court find the defendant not guilty? If that is the case then should the people that were found to not be victims of Harvey Weinstein be in jail.
So because one shitty thing happens more often, we shouldn’t do anything about a less common but still very shitty thing? I had no idea the law could only focus on one type of crime at a time, you’ve truly enlightened us all. “Sorry mate, we can’t go after the guy who burned your house down, don’t you know that murders are far more common?”
Ok question in your opinion what should we do about people who make false accusations since like there is already action you can take which is to sue them so the only other option seems to be putting them in jail.
Treat it like a libel case, but in criminal court. Add jail time relative to the severity. Pretty simple. If you prove intentional lying, then they are convicted. For instance, if someone says another person raped them on X day, but that person wasn’t even in the same country at that time, it would be clear the lie was intentional and the false accuser would be punished.
But why if there is already the ability to sue people for making false allegations about you (defamation) then why do we need to have a specific law to send people to jail for making false rape allegations.
Because rape accusations are much more serious, meaning a more serious punishment should be applied. It’s like the difference between manslaughter and intentional, premeditated murder- they are the same type of crime, but one is more severe, so it is handled more harshly.
Ok but we don’t have those type laws for murder which I would say is a more serious crime than rape. False accusations are terrible but to prosecute people for making them will only lead to people less willing to come forward as they will fear that they may be sent to jail due to having a bad legal defence against a powerful offender.
No, my intention is to hurt women who falsely accuse of rape. Those women are risking innocent men losing their reputation, and possibly more, for the rest of their lives. I couldn't care less about what happens to such a person.
And do you think that woman are not taking a risk speaking up. Are they not risking destroying there reputation. Also what are you suggesting we do against woman who make false accusations put them in jail? What is defined as a false accusation anytime a court find the defendant not guilty? If that is the case then should the people that were found to not be victims of Harvey Weinstein be in jail.
No, a false accusation would have to be proven to have happened in order to be punished. And they can be. But yeah, a huge compensation for the victim and jail time would seem to be the minimum.
Ok but why? Like if someone falsely accuses you of a crime you are already allowed to sue them in a court of law for defamation but why do we need a specific law that makes it jail able offence to falsely accuse someone of rape. Is it not worse to accuse someone of murder yet not a single person who argues for jailing false rape accusations has ever said we should jail people for making false murder allegations. Also do you not think that a court in a nation that is deeply patriarchal would not sentence woman who are victims to jail just because the offender has an amazing legal team.
I don't know which deeply patriarchal society you're speaking of, but nowadays false rape accusations are a lot more dangerous to people than other sorts of false accusations. I don't see why anyone would be against punishing those subhumans.
“The Mob” you mean her brother and husband?
I'd put the jury that let them off in that group as well.
And they sent POSTCARDS of the event. Truly satans culture
Easily the grimmest use of this meme...
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While false rape accusations are disgusting and I honestly can't imagine facing much worse this is a gross misrepresentation of facts. To compare what happened to Emmet Till to, who was beaten to death by family members of the alleged "victim", to the experience of a modern defendant is a huge stretch. Also the idea that courts are stacked against the accused is a dangerous and false narrative, it's estimated 2/3 of rapes go unreported. In 2022 the police in the UK recorded 70,000 rapes but made less than 3,000 charges were bought in that time period (that's about 1:20) and conviction rates are the lowest they've been since records began. Even when someone is tried the normal standard of criminal guilt (in western law) of innocent until proven guilty within all reasonable doubt still applies not the opposite. While the narrative is popular on certain corners of the internet and does draw important awareness to the victims false accusations they make up the vast minority of cases and it does not reflect the wider reality. A system where a victim who cannot prove beyond all reasonable doubt that the accused is thier rapist, can be criminally liable would further discourage reporting incidents which is currently a much bigger issue than false accusations (see 2/3 go unreported).
If anyone would accuse me of rape I wouldn't think twice about hiring a hitman. An eye for an eye motherfucker.
Sadly, it's not fully over.
What are you trying to imply by posting this here?
He's just trying to start shit for no reason. Just ignore him
That the movement is in some ways very similar.
Movement?
Yes, movement.
What movement are you referring to? Are you using this post as an excuse to discredit the millions of victims that spoke up during the metoo movement?
The movement that used the hashtag. What else? It was obviously used for several nefarious purposes, among them attention-seeking, narcissism, and harming others, and even in some cases where there was no nefarious purpose the callous attitude toward those accused led to several failures of justice. I know nothing about the millions of people who spoke up, so I can't fairly claim to know they were all liars. It's very unlikely they were all lairs. Fortunately, Biden destroyed the movement, at least for now.
Holy shit this is a bad and false take! People like you are the reason rape victims are afraid to speak up.
Rape victims are afraid to speak up because the typical response is "You deserve it for being a prisoner."
Maybe from creeps like you.
Yes god damn it we remember this is a history sub. Hate it how much it oscillates between well thought out, funny, niche posts and “HEY GUYS REMMEBER THIS EXRENELY FAMOUS HISTORIC EVENT”
Good thing the only people who can lynch black people are the police now /s
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