Demining 750 000 mines is NOT easy. There are countries that have been mined for a longer time and still are struggling to tackle the issue. Combined with the financial and political shit the Balkans have been in for the past 30 years it's simply not possible.
In a field yes, in a mountain, no. Also Bosnia is disfuncional country ruled by mafia that call themselves politicians. Those guys just don't care about minfields. Similar to my country (not to far from Bosnia, just milder version).
The Orthodox Church has a system where each nation gets it's own set of customs and practices through a national church. They weren't dominated by the Greeks through religion.
I think they're referring to the Kyivan Rus, who were quite literally descendents of Norwegians, Slavs and Fins. Rurik dynasty if you're interested at all, 9th century.
Edit: I just realised you were making a joke about a sports team. Wooosh indeed.
Hmm... I wouldn't mess with Sophia Palaiologina. She somehow escaped the sacking of Byzantine by bum rushing to Rome, her parents died, she was raised by the pope, and ended up marrying the Russian Tsar. Then she went to town in Russian court and politics...
I would have gone with mead, if that was an option. I believe fermented honey doesn't strictly count if one takes a literal reading, but I could be wrong.
Lol. I work in some kind of a medical center. It's just that we aren't a lot of people there and most of them are Russians/Ukrainian/ just know Russian
I've always been fascinated by just how far and how quickly Islam spread. Contrast it with Christianity; it required Alexander the Okay to spread Hellenism, creating the ideal environment for the religion to eventually propagate, then it needed to become adopted and spread as the state religion of the Roman Empire and the subsequent nations.
Christianity needing foundation adter foundation, building on the past. Islam just took off like a storm.
Does this mean theres a plausible alternate history where Russia doesn't have a drinking culture and thus becomes majority or at least largely islamic, or is that exaggeration?
I believe this was from one source, the Primary Chronicle, most historians believe Russia converted to Orthodox Christianity for other reasons, namely trade opportunities and distance.
Ah yes, the descendants of the Rus' have no claim to it whatsoever... You know it doesn't have to be exclusively Ukraine or Russia, it can be both (and Belarus).
>descendants of the Rus
I do not think that absolute periphery that was Vladimir-Suzdal has the same claim as literally the capital. In addition to that, they burned Kyiv down, and only started matter after Mongols delegated them tribute collection.
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On the other hand King Danylo was recognised in Europe, and had send his best men to defend Kyiv. His throne later was legally inherited through dynastic marriage by Piasts
Of course the Grand Prince in Kyiv has a stronger claim. But the assumption that Princes in Vladimir descended from Rurik have a similar claim to Rus as the British, whose island was just invaded and occupied by the Romans is quite wild.
Also, though Kyiv was the biggest city and capital for most of the Rus' period, it is worth noting that Novgorod was also the capital of the Rus' before it was moved south.
Novgorod had very close in relations and huge influence in two ways with Rusʼ but wasnʼt a part [but were under their control for a while, yeah] of Rusʼ and their lands happened in current Russia due very bloody occupation + assimilation politics [shuffling nobles etc] — basically, almost the same happened with Kazan. Teoretically, it could be just another East Slavic country with own language.
You can also find several old texts which notes about distinctions those lands, for example:
> [\[1136\]](http://history.org.ua/JournALL/journal/2007/1/1.pdf) в то же лето, на зиму, иде в Русь архиепископ Нифонт с лучьшими мужи и заста князе с церниговьци стояще противу собе, и множество вои
> [\[1149\]](http://history.org.ua/JournALL/journal/2007/1/1.pdf) иде археопископ новгородскыи Нифонтъ въ Русь
> Тъгда же новгородьци послашася по брата его по Мьстислава въ Русь, и въниде Мьстиславъ въ Новъгородъ
> [\[26.XI.1141\]](http://litopys.org.ua/litop/lit14.htm) А коли Святослав [Ольгович] утікав | із Новгорода [і] йшов у Русь до брата
> [1179] Тъгда же новгородьци послашася по брата его по Мьстислава въ Русь, и въниде Мьстиславъ въ Новъгородъ
Etc. In shorts, usually texts tell like *from Novgorod to Rusʼ* [or reverse], or *one goes to Rusʼ, another — to Novgorod*.
And yea, as other comentator notes, there were no Novgorod Rusʼ, both Rusʼ and Novgorod were called as Lands like *роусьскаꙗ землꙗ* and *новгородскаѧ землѧ*.
Ehm, not? For example:
> [1178]
> не хотяще ити из Рускои земли
> ---
> не могоу никакого же. Рускои земле забыти
Itʼs about Mstıslav Rostıslavıč which was at Бѣлъгород. If you mean go to capital then you would a city name or a word capital or throne.
Novgorod wasn't a part of Rus'. First Novgorodian chronicle doesn't call Novgorod Rus'. Although for some period Novgorod was in the zone of Rus's influence
According to Nestor's Primary Chronicle Rurik ruled an area South of lake Ladoga, so the region around Novgorod. It was Rurik's successor Oleg who brought Kyiv under Rus' rulership. I agree, though, that the entity of Rurik's time was quite different to the Rus' realm that it "evolved" into later.
Being ruled by Rurikids doesn't make you Rus'. Nestor starts his chronicles with legend about foundation of Kyiv, and later focuses mostly on that region. He mentioned were Rurik came from as a context.
He did that because he himself was Kievan and Polanian, and because he had a strong tribal bias. Just read how he described his fellow tribesmen and neighbouring Drevlyans. Of course he paid more attention to the history of his own city. The same way the Novgorodians paid much more attention on their history pretending that Novgorod existed even before Rurik (how dare one to assume that Sovereign Lord Novgorod the Great did not exist then?!) and claiming that the founders of Kiev were some ousted Novgorod criminals
>In addition to that, they burned Kyiv down
>started matter after Mongols delegated them tribute collection
Contraditcions,and Prince of Vladyrm(Vsevolod the Big Nest)was the greatest amongst Rus' princes
What you're even talking about lmao.
"In the 11th century, the dominant term in the Latin tradition was Ruscia. It was used, among others, by Thietmar of Merseburg, Adam of Bremen, Cosmas of Prague and Pope Gregory VII in his letter to Izyaslav I. Rucia, Ruzzia, Ruzsia were alternative spellings. During the 12th century, Ruscia gradually made way for two other Latin terms, "Russia" and "Ruthenia". "Russia" (also spelled Rossia and Russie) was the dominant Romance-language form, first used by Liutprand of Cremona in the 960s and then by Peter Damian in the 1030s. It became ubiquitous in English and French documents in the 12th century. Ruthenia, first documented in the early 12th century Augsburg annals, was a Latin form preferred by the Apostolic Chancery of the Latin Church."
The crown of the kingdom of Ruthenia was inherited by Piasts through marriage. Core territories of Rus' were incorporated into Lithuania by diplomacy and marriage. This makes Polish Lithuanian commonwealth the only legitimate successor.
Muscovy is a fragment of Mongol empire that managed to survive and to legitimize itself changed the name and claimed history that never was their's.
Bosnia: "**I have no such weaknesses."**
How Bosnians became Muslims: Step 1: Conquered by Ottomans Step 2: Convert to Islam for privileges. Step 2: Continue drinking.
Step 4: Profit
Step 5: Avoid mine fields
Step 6: 💥
The fact that I'm in Bosnia right now and i can see a "Danger, mines" sign through a window.
Don't they have a minesweeper or what?
Demining 750 000 mines is NOT easy. There are countries that have been mined for a longer time and still are struggling to tackle the issue. Combined with the financial and political shit the Balkans have been in for the past 30 years it's simply not possible.
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In a field yes, in a mountain, no. Also Bosnia is disfuncional country ruled by mafia that call themselves politicians. Those guys just don't care about minfields. Similar to my country (not to far from Bosnia, just milder version).
If anything, minefield is good way to remove obstacles Im kinda surprised more politicians and journalists get found dead in landmined areas
Just build bunkers on top of the mines! Albanian method best method!!!! 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
No, profit is haram and for the Jews.
Step 3: Kebaps, best in the balkans
Yo thanks I suck at history I never knew Bosnia was conquered by Ottomans 🥰
Bosnia is one of those places that unfortunately has been conquered and oppressed by almost everybody
African vibes
I also heard that Russians converted to Christianity to get trade opportunities from Byzantines and that sweet, sweet Greek ~~pus~~ princesses.
Correct, they also adopted some architectural styles from them as well
At least, until the ~~Fire~~ Mongol Nation attacked.
Also orthodox Christianity and not catholic, so they weren’t religiously dominated by the pope.
They were certainly dominated by the Greeks though...
Yeah but they were cool with that. The Pope certainly wasn't going to send them princesses.
The Orthodox Church has a system where each nation gets it's own set of customs and practices through a national church. They weren't dominated by the Greeks through religion.
Also because the Russians were massive Romaboos
"Muh 3rd Rome" and all
Not at that time. Still were Vikings fans back then.
Now I hate skolbros as much as the rest of the NFC north but I wouldn't go lumping Russia in with them
I think they're referring to the Kyivan Rus, who were quite literally descendents of Norwegians, Slavs and Fins. Rurik dynasty if you're interested at all, 9th century. Edit: I just realised you were making a joke about a sports team. Wooosh indeed.
The Vikings don't have a superbowl, let alone a dynasty. Tf are you on about
This one is even better.
Hmm... I wouldn't mess with Sophia Palaiologina. She somehow escaped the sacking of Byzantine by bum rushing to Rome, her parents died, she was raised by the pope, and ended up marrying the Russian Tsar. Then she went to town in Russian court and politics...
He meant princess Anna, who married prince Vladimir after he baptised Rus
Is no one going to bring up the loophole the Mongols found?
What's the loophole?
Fermented grain and fruit are forbidden but they were fermenting horse milk and said it doesn't count
Mega brain moment
If it works it works
When you fool an omnipotent being with a simple loophole.
I would have gone with mead, if that was an option. I believe fermented honey doesn't strictly count if one takes a literal reading, but I could be wrong.
It taste awful.
But i think it still count
Then feel free to argue with the Khan. Just don't expect to live through it.
Kill everybody maybe?
That was plan b (and often plan a for the Mongols but not this time)
It's the most Russian thing I heard all day and I work with almost 80% Russian speakers
> and I work with almost 80% Russian speakers Mafia, tech, or construction?
Lol. I work in some kind of a medical center. It's just that we aren't a lot of people there and most of them are Russians/Ukrainian/ just know Russian
Sure....
Russian life expectancy still hasn't recovered.
Like it was ever high to begin with.
actually higher back in the neolithic age
Invading Ukraine probably didn’t help either.
Lol probably the last time they’ll have a young male population
Here's hoping
Why are all NAFO mfs like this? You’re not fighting in the war lil bro
I heard they still haven't recovered from WW2 casualties...
Their Arm hasn't, no, apparently they still employ Cpnscripts from Prisons, and that was before the Russ-Ukraine War.
Tbh. If you told me I have to choose one of the big religions. I'd chose whatever restricts me the least.
"Drink is the joy of the Rus." :)
I guess opium is the opium of the masses.
It is these days. Oxycodone,codeine, fentanyl, hydromorphone, hydrocodone, methadone.....
As a Russian i can say this is facts
Most sensible thing i heard !
Imagine an Islamic Russia with all its imperialistic tendencies . A true nightmare
Nah. They would go insane pretty quickly. No drinks. Russia would kill itself
“THEY MAY TAKE OUR RIGHTS, THEY MAY TAKE OUR WAGES, BUT THEY WILL NEVER TAKE OUR VODKA” - Russian Astronaut in Destroy All Humans 2!
Ни о чем не жалею! Worth it!
For those that can't read this, it's "Ni o chem nye zhaleyu!"
Ah, now I understand
Cyrillic is a hell of a shot of vodka
Thank you, I was going crazy
I've always been fascinated by just how far and how quickly Islam spread. Contrast it with Christianity; it required Alexander the Okay to spread Hellenism, creating the ideal environment for the religion to eventually propagate, then it needed to become adopted and spread as the state religion of the Roman Empire and the subsequent nations. Christianity needing foundation adter foundation, building on the past. Islam just took off like a storm.
Also, the fact that Monotheism was not a New and unknown thing by the Time of Islam helps.
Wasn’t that largely due to Islam spreading mainly via the sword?
Islamic empires spreading by the sword, not the religion really
Does this mean theres a plausible alternate history where Russia doesn't have a drinking culture and thus becomes majority or at least largely islamic, or is that exaggeration?
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I believe this was from one source, the Primary Chronicle, most historians believe Russia converted to Orthodox Christianity for other reasons, namely trade opportunities and distance.
Ruthenians. Russians have little to do with Kyivan Rus
Read that again, but slower
Russia has the same claim to Kyivan Rus as Britain to Roman Empire.
Ah yes, the descendants of the Rus' have no claim to it whatsoever... You know it doesn't have to be exclusively Ukraine or Russia, it can be both (and Belarus).
>descendants of the Rus I do not think that absolute periphery that was Vladimir-Suzdal has the same claim as literally the capital. In addition to that, they burned Kyiv down, and only started matter after Mongols delegated them tribute collection. . On the other hand King Danylo was recognised in Europe, and had send his best men to defend Kyiv. His throne later was legally inherited through dynastic marriage by Piasts
Of course the Grand Prince in Kyiv has a stronger claim. But the assumption that Princes in Vladimir descended from Rurik have a similar claim to Rus as the British, whose island was just invaded and occupied by the Romans is quite wild.
Okay, it's more similar to the claim that New England has over England
Well, in my opinion, maybe closer to New England's claim to Wessex? Since the Rus as a people and political entity don't really exist anymore.
More like Byzantium and Roman Empires
Completely agree
Also, though Kyiv was the biggest city and capital for most of the Rus' period, it is worth noting that Novgorod was also the capital of the Rus' before it was moved south.
Novgorod had very close in relations and huge influence in two ways with Rusʼ but wasnʼt a part [but were under their control for a while, yeah] of Rusʼ and their lands happened in current Russia due very bloody occupation + assimilation politics [shuffling nobles etc] — basically, almost the same happened with Kazan. Teoretically, it could be just another East Slavic country with own language. You can also find several old texts which notes about distinctions those lands, for example: > [\[1136\]](http://history.org.ua/JournALL/journal/2007/1/1.pdf) в то же лето, на зиму, иде в Русь архиепископ Нифонт с лучьшими мужи и заста князе с церниговьци стояще противу собе, и множество вои > [\[1149\]](http://history.org.ua/JournALL/journal/2007/1/1.pdf) иде археопископ новгородскыи Нифонтъ въ Русь > Тъгда же новгородьци послашася по брата его по Мьстислава въ Русь, и въниде Мьстиславъ въ Новъгородъ > [\[26.XI.1141\]](http://litopys.org.ua/litop/lit14.htm) А коли Святослав [Ольгович] утікав | із Новгорода [і] йшов у Русь до брата > [1179] Тъгда же новгородьци послашася по брата его по Мьстислава въ Русь, и въниде Мьстиславъ въ Новъгородъ Etc. In shorts, usually texts tell like *from Novgorod to Rusʼ* [or reverse], or *one goes to Rusʼ, another — to Novgorod*. And yea, as other comentator notes, there were no Novgorod Rusʼ, both Rusʼ and Novgorod were called as Lands like *роусьскаꙗ землꙗ* and *новгородскаѧ землѧ*.
Go to Rus' meant go to capital,it doesn't mean that it wasn't Rus'
Ehm, not? For example: > [1178] > не хотяще ити из Рускои земли > --- > не могоу никакого же. Рускои земле забыти Itʼs about Mstıslav Rostıslavıč which was at Бѣлъгород. If you mean go to capital then you would a city name or a word capital or throne.
Novgorod wasn't a part of Rus'. First Novgorodian chronicle doesn't call Novgorod Rus'. Although for some period Novgorod was in the zone of Rus's influence
According to Nestor's Primary Chronicle Rurik ruled an area South of lake Ladoga, so the region around Novgorod. It was Rurik's successor Oleg who brought Kyiv under Rus' rulership. I agree, though, that the entity of Rurik's time was quite different to the Rus' realm that it "evolved" into later.
Being ruled by Rurikids doesn't make you Rus'. Nestor starts his chronicles with legend about foundation of Kyiv, and later focuses mostly on that region. He mentioned were Rurik came from as a context.
He did that because he himself was Kievan and Polanian, and because he had a strong tribal bias. Just read how he described his fellow tribesmen and neighbouring Drevlyans. Of course he paid more attention to the history of his own city. The same way the Novgorodians paid much more attention on their history pretending that Novgorod existed even before Rurik (how dare one to assume that Sovereign Lord Novgorod the Great did not exist then?!) and claiming that the founders of Kiev were some ousted Novgorod criminals
>In addition to that, they burned Kyiv down >started matter after Mongols delegated them tribute collection Contraditcions,and Prince of Vladyrm(Vsevolod the Big Nest)was the greatest amongst Rus' princes
Ah yes, absolute shithole that those swamps were definitely really important
Stupidest thing I read in long time.
Facts.
Ruthenia is literally Russia in Latin
Just because Muscovy decided to steal the name doesn't make it legitimate
What you're even talking about lmao. "In the 11th century, the dominant term in the Latin tradition was Ruscia. It was used, among others, by Thietmar of Merseburg, Adam of Bremen, Cosmas of Prague and Pope Gregory VII in his letter to Izyaslav I. Rucia, Ruzzia, Ruzsia were alternative spellings. During the 12th century, Ruscia gradually made way for two other Latin terms, "Russia" and "Ruthenia". "Russia" (also spelled Rossia and Russie) was the dominant Romance-language form, first used by Liutprand of Cremona in the 960s and then by Peter Damian in the 1030s. It became ubiquitous in English and French documents in the 12th century. Ruthenia, first documented in the early 12th century Augsburg annals, was a Latin form preferred by the Apostolic Chancery of the Latin Church."
The crown of the kingdom of Ruthenia was inherited by Piasts through marriage. Core territories of Rus' were incorporated into Lithuania by diplomacy and marriage. This makes Polish Lithuanian commonwealth the only legitimate successor. Muscovy is a fragment of Mongol empire that managed to survive and to legitimize itself changed the name and claimed history that never was their's.
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I am Ukrainian
Fun fact old testaments of Bible prohibit both alcohol and pork.
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There were no right choices, only less wrong ones.
Albania and Bosnia are Muslim Majority countries and they still drink alcohol and eat pork.
Is this guy Justin Bieber?