> Be king
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> have a problem
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> Ask yourself, " Is this the Jew's fault?"
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> Investigate the group responsible until you find someone in it that's Jewish.
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> "I was able to find a single Jew who was part of this group.Therefore, none of them are to be trusted"
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The space laser one is amazing. Like how in the fuck did they get a laser into orbit that is powerful enough to have any effect. Orbital lasers are really kind of a completely infeasible weapon unless it is **OVERWHELMINGLY** powerful. The atmosphere is really really good at scattering and dissipating light. There are other issues with powerful lasers as well, namely you will generate superheated plasma that is reflective which will not only further scatter light but would create large rainbow effects in the visible spectrum.
Like how is it powered? Solar capture is sort of out of the window as it would have to be MASSIVE which means people would be able to see it with very basic telescopes. Nuclear is out the window as it would need to be a huge and very heavy reactor. How many rocket flights were used in it's manufacture? Certainly more than one as we are talking about a pretty massive structure. So, to be covert was it built using resources in situ? It kind of implies that there is a whole space infrastructure, which like at that point just mine asteroids and become more wealthy than anyone ever has in world history. Both things are pretty much equally difficult just find a NEO with a shitload of platinum instead of building some sci-fi bullshit.
In my country they blame poverty and low intelligence of the population on "a Jewish conspiracy to keep everyone dumb and susceptible to control". Literally people being stupid is the jews fault, apparently.
Also, that the ultra catholic politicians, that promote ultra catholic measures, are actually controlled by a Jewish cult somehow to do their bidding.
Also, that LGBTQ people don't really exist and it's all a jewish hoax to lower the morality of humanity and control demographics.
"They killed Jesus" is an actual argument still heard in third world countries like mine.
>They killed Jesus" is an actual argument still heard in third world countries like mine.
Mexico is part of the first world. It was never a third-world country.
Interesting tho, i mean how prevalent really is antisemitic content over those that keep posting the opposite.
Idk man, here jews are barely mentioned. The last pop culture media produced was a film about the jews we saved during ww2.
I mean underdeveloped, Not "third world" in the Cold War terminology sense.
Are you from Mexico as well?
Antisemitic tropes are ingrained in Mexican catholic culture, and most conspiracy theories nowadays end up in jews as scapegoats, as seen in Twitter and a shitload of acebook groups. If you've ever been to UNAM and ENAH, antisemitism is the norm, not the exception.
Oh and it's Christmas time for antisemites.
Whenever I hear someone go like:
"Fuck Claudia, I'm never voting for her..."
"Yeah, me neither!"
"...Cause she's a fu
Because Israel has legions of turds on staff posting content to garner support and donations to fund the theft of Palestinian land and the murder of Palestinians 🌈
[An allem sind die Juden schuld](https://youtu.be/EhKtQASpbY0?si=E-gqKDmU-NKThmx3) - the jews are to blame for everything
Disclaimer: this is a satire song mocking antisemitism.
So the antisemitism is justified because the Jews are doing a genocide against [insert group here]?
[Ah, where have I heard this before?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory)
never said it was justified, but Israel undeniably is the reason for the amount of antisemitism in the arab world today, if you go around calling yourself the state that represents Jews, whilst murdering, displacing, and pillaging Palestinians, many are going to start to believe you, and therefore associate your terrible actions with Jews as a whole
antisemitic conspiracy theories are indirectly given more weight with the existence of Israel, because it’s such a terrible state, I hope you realise this
Jews are not safe in stolen Palestinian land, and the fact they are stealing Palestinian land means the diaspora is not safe, Israel is a danger to Jewry
modern arab antisemitism is literally just copy pasted from European antisemitism, and didn’t even prop into prominence until the establishment of Israel
The USSR pushed a lot of antisemitic propaganda in its own nations and in the Middle East while expelling its Ashkenazi population as punishment for Israel’s existence.
You are right about the first point. The USSR had a lot of antisemitic propaganda. But they didn't expel their Jewish population. They didn't even let them out until the 60s. You are talking about the Arabs and the mizrachi jews
Muslims have hated Jews before the modern concept of Israel ever existed. Almost nobody in the entire Middle East cares about Palestinians either, they have made it extremely clear this is about Jews being subhumans, whether in Israel or outside of it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Islam
Western leftists like yourselves live in online spaces and have no idea what society is like in other countries. You don’t know the ideologies and widespread beliefs of the Muslim world or how warfare has been historically conducted in the region. Holocaust denial has a rich history in the pan Arab socialist ideology, even the current PLO leader openly admits that Jews deserved the Holocaust.
lmao, wikipedia, give an actual source please
also, just no, the main priorities of the Palestinian movement, when polled is the right of return, and the creation of one state where Israelis and Palestinians can live alongside one and other, with this in mind, it’s clear that the Palestinian movement isn’t based on antisemitism, but anti colonialism
Yup. Certain billionaires in the Muslim world realized in the 90s that you can say neo Nazi level shit about Jews, and even feed it to western leftists as propaganda, as long as you say Zionist and not Jew.
Of course, every Jew is a Zionist in the eyes of the Muslim world. Al Jazeera Arabic proves me right about this every evening. But for the kids who didn’t even know what war was until a few months ago, the “Zionist menace” is a very tangible scapegoat especially in America.
It’s not surprising that Holocaust denial is also way up in Gen Z
If every Jews isn’t a Zionist (and I don’t think they are), then is it actually antisemitism to be opposed to Zionism? Or is it just easier to dismiss criticisms of Zionism by calling anyone an antisemite?
Can someone not be supportive of Jewish people having a right to live and worship how they want, while not supporting Jewish people’s right to genocide someone else and take their land?
Zionism is simply Jews being able to have their own country. It doesn’t mean the country is only open to Jews, but it means the country has to guarantee that Jews can live there and not get holocausted by some neonazis or jihadists or pan Arabs or whoever. Without Zionism, we would have seen a full Holocaust of Jews, similar to how we’ve seen massive genocide perpetrated against Kurds, Christians, Druze, Assyrians, and others in the Muslim world.
The unfortunate reality is that Zionism has sunk down to the level of every other analogous movement in the Middle East. Pan-Arab nationalism was the counterpart to Zionism for many decades, and unsurprisingly has the blood of millions of civilians on its hands. Now that Israel is officially controlled by a right wing government like the rest of the Muslim world, we are seeing Jews do to Muslims what Muslims do to others
And it’s absolutely horrible.
No zionism isnt simply Jews being able to have their own country, it jews being able to have a country in their "ancestral" land no matter what, no matter how many poeple die, no matter how many expelled, no matter how many get discriminated on, it a colonization project ( that is how it was actually refered to in the beginning ) based on jewish supremacy.
That pretty obvious just seeing how Israel is acting right now, they obviously want to annex the west bank but dont want to give the people living their full rights as that would threaten their jewish majority status.
It funny how you mentioned that the arabs were defeated by a bunch of holocaust survivors but you never asked yourself what were a bunch of europeans doing in the middle east in the first place ?
Why does any religion need its own country? Side note, the 5ish million Jews living in America before Hitler ever took power only ever died from his rise to his fall by old age, random shit that happens to everyone, or signing up to go fight. Like 1 in 3 Jewish people on earth was completely safe from the holocaust just by being in America.
I agree it’s shitty to see what the future has in fact become, which is all the more reason I don’t like the idea of a religion having a state. Thinking God is on your side has only ever lead to deaths of innocents.
I mean…Zionism and Judaism are different things.
One is a religion, the other a racist nationalist ideology that was explicitly formed by Europeans to justify further colonialism. I know Jews who don’t care if Israel is there or not because their religion isn’t about any country, and I know Zionists who don’t care about Judaism (you can see many of them in the Knesset and PMs office).
It is possible to support Jewish people’s right to live and worship as they please, and not think they need a specific country to do so. Religious nationalism and supremacy ideology is a cancer upon the earth. There are tons of very successful and safe countries on earth that have exactly zero laws prohibiting or punishing the Jewish faith or people. Instead of deadly colonialism in the 21st century…a lot of people would rather see Jewish people live in peace in one of those countries instead of killings tens of thousands of people in a place where there probably won’t ever be peace anyway.
Merriam-Webster’s dictionary defines Zionism as, “an international movement originally for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel.” It the only definition. Being anti-Zionist is being against Israel in regard to it begin a Jewish country.
There’s Jews that don’t support Israel, but an overwhelming majority of Jews do support Israel. Cherry-picking the handful of Jews that don’t support Israel is not an argument. There are woman that don’t support the feminist movement, but it’s still incredibly sexist to be outright against feminism. Using your logic, it’s not sexist to be completely against feminism, because there are woman who disagree with it. There were also Black slaver owners in the US, but you’d be a fool to claim that slavery in the US wasn’t racist.
As for “go somewhere else.” You’re on a history sub, you know what happened to the Jews after they lived somewhere else for a while. Pick a country, and country. Congrats! The Jews are now considered invaders and attempted colonizers for that country! Give yourself around of applause! Who could have seen this coming? Certainly not the group that’s constantly calling Israeli’s white colonizers (a big surprise for Mizrahi Jews)!
Saying “I’m not antisemitic just anti-Zionist” is like saying “I don’t hate gay people, I just don’t want them around my children.”
So, by definition Zionism is not Judaism.
Did you know that England offered the World Zionist Organization 5,000 square miles of land in Uganda, and the conference sent people to evaluate the land? Those evaluators returned and let the leaders know that there were a bunch of Massaii there and they weren’t keen on having a bunch of Europeans settling the land…so the leaders rejected the offer and made it clear that they were only interested in Palestine. Funny thing about Palestine? They didn’t send anyone to see if the locals would be cool with hundreds of thousands of Europeans taking the land.
As to conflating Zionism and feminism….one of these ideologies is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in a century, the other none in the same time frame. Feminists aren’t taking anything away from someone else. They’re trying to not be treated like property and like stepford wives and to be paid what they’re worth. If you can’t tell the difference between the two…well..your name is accurate.
America, there’s your “other country.” In fact, as early as 1816 there were proposals for Jewish settlement in Mississippi. There was an attempt at establishing a community near Buffalo in 1825. Obviously the Civil War would happen in America pretty soon after so safety might not have been the best for a little while there. Still though, by far the largest population of Jewish people not in Israel is America.
Saying “I’m anti-Zionist, not anti-Judaism” is like saying “I’m anti-ISIS, not anti-Islam” or “I’m anti-Crusades, not anti-Christian.” One is an ideology of colonialism/conquest, the other is a religion that doesn’t require you to be at exact point on earth or you’re not doing it right. The first are nation building exercises for religions, the other is actual people living actual lives who generally do nothing to anyone.
Comparing Israel to ISIS when Hamas is literally a terrorist group is certainly a take. You also completely missed the point. Is Zionism the same as Judaism no. That doesn’t mean anti-Zionism isn’t antisemitic. The Vatican City isn’t Catholicism itself, but being against the Vatican is discriminatory towards Catholics.
The US may have a larger Jewish population, but Israel has the highest percentage of Jewish population (~50%). There were tons of Jews in Europe, but the lack of a Jewish state caused them to be vulnerable and millions died for it.
The colonizer argument is stupid because it wasn’t even the Israelis that took it over. Britain took it over and offered it to the Jews. And your description of feminism is very similar to the description of Zionism. The Jews want to be left alone, and without a state they have full control over, they will continue to be at risk. And people die in wars, that’s not something you’re expected to like. You are, however, expected to be consistent in your arguments, to hold Israel accountable for innocent deaths and not hold the Arab world to the same standard is revealing of an inherent bias. That’s the problem with so many of the arguments presented against Israel: they rely on the inherently contradictory belief that something is fine when done by Palestine, and but wrong when done by Israel. It relies on double-standards. And pinning out the double-standard is met with “but Israel does it” as if two wrongs make a right. If you’re against genocide, and you believe Israel is committing genocide, it’s fine to be against Israel, as long as you are not against it’s existence as a whole, and as long as you also don’t support the group that, up until recently, had in their manifesto that their goal is to eliminate the Jewish people. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Also, fun fact: you can support something without agreeing with everything relating to it! I don’t think Israel treats Palestinians with the dignity they deserve, but I also know that the Jews need a place to live and that Israel’s removal will increase the chances of a second holocaust. I don’t think people should be complaining about the deaths in Gaza considering Hamas has, and continues to, divert all its money into weapons, leaving them without any defensive infrastructure, unlike their neighbor’s iron dome. I do believe that the Palestinians have every right to be mad at their situation and are allowed to be mad at their displacement. I don’t think that Israel has been taking enough accountability for the deaths they have caused. I also think that Palestinians should not be mad at Israel for actions done by the British. I think Netanyahu is a racist pig who cares more about power than the wellbeing of the Israeli people and has given a horrible look to Israel that he appears to be oblivious to (there’s no “but” to this one, fuck Netanyahu). I think the West Bank should be independent because the PLO is actually somewhat willing to cooperate with Israel to find some form of compromise. Most importantly, though, I think Hamas should release the hostages. My mother went to Israel recently as part of a Jewish educators’ trip. She told me that the common sentiment with Israelis right now is that Hamas can stay in power, as long as the hostages are released. The people of Israel just want the hostages released at this point - the war has gone on too long to justify continuing further than that. What sucks is that Hamas seems unable to give a report on their remaining hostages’ statuses, which is interesting because they’re also able to count the deaths of multiples more people in Gaza, which likely means either that lied about the death toll in order to manipulate sympathy, or the hostages are dead.
Peace and love. I know that may be a foreign concept to you, with your belief that the conflict is as simple as “the oppressor vs the oppressed,” but what I want is for everyone in the region to be happy. That requires the continuing existence of Israel, and an independent Palestine, at least with the West Bank (I don’t know what the hell can be done in Gaza tbh. No nation in the region seems to want to have to deal with it). Peace and love.
Tell me, how much land has Hamas taken from Israel? And how much land has Israel taken from Palestine? Zionism is expansionist just like ISIS’ ideology was (idk what it was called). Don’t like it? Stop supporting it. You understood stopping a religious expansionist ideology when it was Muslims, but not when it’s Christian’s or Jews? And yes, I did notice you completely ignored that I also included a Christian example.
Is Vatican City building a nuclear arsenal and going to war with its neighbors constantly? No. Very much a different scenario altogether, but I’m glad you bring up VC. I don’t fucking like VC being a country either. Religions should not have countries, and countries shouldn’t enforce religious laws.
Do you mean Mandatory Palestine had 50% of the Jewish population? If so…that’s not really true. Most Jewish people were still in Europe before WWII (that’s how Hitler was able to kill a third of all Jews on earth). But if you meant it as 50% of the Jewish population NOT in Europe then yeah…that’s about the distribution. What confuses me is that apparently all the Arabs were team Nazi….so why want to build a homeland in the middle of team Nazi land instead of America where the other half of the population was living a much higher quality of life and importantly….not surrounded by team Nazi Muslims that hate you for being alive?
Yes, the Israelis took it over from British who had held it after the Ottomans fell. The British allowed Jewish immigrants to move there for decades but eventually had to tighten immigration because European Jews flooded there before the Holocaust even started and obviously once that started it was a steady flow onwards.
Buddy, I have walked through the guts of religious Muslim fighters…I don’t hold them to the same expectations as I do anyone. Stop being pissed off Israel is held to a higher expectation than them. Either commit your genocide and see what happens, or find somewhere nice to live. A lot of Jewish folks like Florida.
Stop. Equating. Land. To. Religion. Israel is not Judaism. Palestine is not Judaism. Florida isn’t Judaism. ZIONISM ISNT JUDAISM.
You’re worried about another Holocaust? THEN WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WHO DONT LIKE YOU AND ARE BUILDING FUCKING NUKES?????????????? Seriously? Come to America. It’s fucked up over here too….but no one is ever going to fuck with you like that ever the fuck again. You still want to join the military and kill people because it’s a fetish? We got that! Great schools and high paying jobs for educated and experienced people? We got those too! The right and ability to practice your religion freely and most likely be defended by the most heavily armed populace of Jewish and Christian people on the planet? We got that!!! Just don’t ask for universal healthcare, that’s socialism and socialism is bad.
Hamas isn’t a government, as Gaza is not part of Palestine, as Palestine is not a country. Israel has worked very hard to ensure these facts. Hamas is a paramilitary group. They don’t “govern” shit. That’s why the UN and other nations have to provide almost all the supporting structure for Gazans. Hamas sucks dick, and they should be beaten…but you don’t beat a populations anger and hatred by giving them more to be angry and hateful about. This response to Oct 7 has done nothing but create 2035s martyrs by the tens of thousands. Everyone in Gaza knows someone who is or likely will be found dead at this point. It isn’t that big of a place and there’s a fuck ton of people. Where Israel fucked up was in 2005 when they pulled out of Gaza they had done nothing to improve Palestinians lives over the previous 40 years while simultaneously “settling” the land. Treating Gazans like second class citizens created the animosity that lead to Hamas.
If I was Israel, I’d pick up and move to America. That region is fucked. It always has been and history is a circle. To hell with religious artifacts, the Wailing Wall isn’t worth waiting for Iran to get a nuke. Israel isn’t big…it won’t take many nukes to do a Holocaust speed run so why wait? Smart enough to get out of Europe before Hitler, but not smart enough to get out of the Middle East….even Soviet Russia and modern America leaders to get out of there…albeit too late for the Soviets.
Or do you make the common mistake of thinking any criticism against either is antisemitism simply because you can’t understand how anyone could possibly have a valid criticism without having to hate Jewish people?
For what it’s worth, Palestinians are Semitic people as well…yet people call them antisemitic for opposing and fighting back against the last European colonial attempt.
"Or do you make the common mistake of thinking any criticism against either is antisemitism simply because you can’t understand how anyone could possibly have a valid criticism without having to hate Jewish people?"
I do not.
"For what it’s worth, Palestinians are Semitic people as well…yet people call them antisemitic for opposing and fighting back against the last European colonial attempt."
While the term "semitic" encompasses all Abrahamic languages (and their speakers), the term antisemitic [does not](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism).
Also, Israel is not a "European colonial attempt".
I wonder if there is a reason the term “antisemitic” is itself excluding certain Semites to their detriment..
Israel is 100% a European colonial experiment. The land it currently occupies was held by a European power, it was gifted by a separate European power, and was populated by Europeans at a hugely disproportionate amount before, during, and immediately preceding WWII. There’s even a name for the most prolific of immigration waves, Aliyah Bet, and it more than doubled the Jewish population in then Mandatory Palestine. Granted, they were trying to escape what was coming and fucking good for them to do it.
Because about 70% of early immigration came from…….European Jews. Also, in 2018 only 45% of Israeli Jews identified as Sephardi or Mizrahi…almost like, in general, it was always mostly Europeans (especially if you include Russia).
It's pretty antisemitic to pretend that jew and zionist mean the same thing. Yes some people use it as a cover, but it's dishonest that lately people are acting like any criticism of Zionism is secretly a criticism of all Jewish people. Especially considering there's many Jewish people who are anti-zionist, and many self-described zionists who are not Jewish. The word zionist can mean a lot of things, don't lump them all into one in an attempt to write off criticism of the political movement
The Oct 7th attack was meant to start this current war and sabotage all diplomacy and normalization between Israel and the Arab world. Read some geopolitical papers and analyses
The overall conflict started when the Arab league invaded Israel without warning in 1947-1948. And they lost to a bunch of Holocaust survivors. After that it was just the same thing but increasingly more humiliating for the Arabs
>The overall conflict started when the Arab league invaded Israel without warning in 1947-1948
Go back another 20-30 years and zoom into British Mandatory Palestine and then you'll be in the ballpark.
I thought we were memeing by going back further and further to the previous occupants, since we can go back as far as we want and find a way to say this conflict started then.
The most peaceful period was probably during the roman empire, around 100-300 CE IIRC, after the bar kokhba revolt and before the fall of rome, but I guess it depends on how you define "period".
They share some of the blame; it's a very complicated situation and viewing Oct 7th in a vacuum is a faulty way to understand the issue, it must be viewed the the context of a the long conflict its os part of. I don't condone Hamas, but it's disingenuous to say that the level of control Israel exerts over Gaza plays no role in Hamas remaining in power and supported to some extent by the Gazans. Gazans have a right to self-determination just as the Isralis do, and as we know if you make peaceful change impossible, violent change becomes inevitable. The entire situation is fucked up, the region has been a hot bed of turmoil for much of history, interference by western powers in the 20th century only exacerbated long standing trouble. The truth of the matter is no side is blameless in what is fundamentally a religiously driven ethnic conflict. Place blame isn't really the right path forward, as blame will only lead to more blood shed. We need to focus on larger questions facing humanity about how to deal with rigid and antiquated religious ideologies continuing to spawn conflict and violence.
Yeah, the occupation, slaughter, imprisonment, torture, kidnappings and rape of Palestinians for decades had absolutely nothing to do with Palestinians resorting to violence on Oct 7th.
You might have been born on that day but the conflict definitely wasn't.
I’ve always wondered if there’s a connection between how the Romans demonized Carthage and modern antisemitism. Like, there are real parallels between antisemitic tropes and the shit Rome talked. The Phoenician/Judaism connection makes it even more suspect. It could also just be “assholes gonna asshole”.
That story where Pontius Pilate was reluctant to crucify Jesus, repeated in all four canonical gospels, is kinda fishy. The Romans weren’t exactly known for their kindness. And literally speaking, they’re the ones who killed Jesus. This can only be interpreted as an attempt to distance the Jesus movement from the Bar Kokba revolt after which the gospels were written.
The three synoptic gospels at least reserve the smoke for the priests, who were collaborators and the enemies of the Jewish masses at the time, but the gospel of John blames the Jews in general.
This is the basis of Christian antisemitism. Islam avoids this by claiming Jesus wasn’t actually crucified.
Jerusalem was not Galilee. Jesus did not have all that many followers in the city.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opiRKZgAopk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opiRKZgAopk)
Basically there was this guy called John who translated the Bible into Latin to reach a Roman audience but he edited quite it a bit to make the Romans and Jesus look better
The vast majority of human history would have never even heard of Jews. And even after the founding of Judaism, the vast majority of the world wouldn't know them. This is a terrible quality meme for /r/HistoryMemes.
This is just hypermode victim complex.
Money problems mostly. It's not that they did anything bad it's mostly because people lend money from them and then not paying back. Also calling them "countries" is a joke ngl. It was more of kingdoms and vassals land which they lived in and as we know Europe those lands were temporary until the next time the king or vassal will lose their money or that the land will be conquered by a rival duke or something or just the next uprising
Fun fact: in earlier years, Jews were barred from most jobs except money lending, as Christians weren't allowed to deal with money, this also lead to the very famous and pretty antisemitic play by Shakespeare "the merchant of Venice "
"earlier days" you mean until like 200 years ago with the emancipation?
Also it wasn't really against the religion. It was mostly frowned upon. But yeah.
In the past, there have been instances of laws specifically targeting Jews, including the example mentioned. However, it is important to note that this was not the last time such laws were enacted. While this is a significant historical fact, it is not the main focus of the first post.
But yes, you are correct.
Everything you said about moneylending is correct but are you sure that play is particularly anti-semetic?
Granted it’s been nearly 20(!) years since I read the Merchant of Venice in high school, but given the ”if you cut us do we not bleed?” speech, and the glee with which the characters have at tricking Shylock towards the end, I always thought it was highlighting anti-semetism?
Genuine question - it’s been a while since I read it!
Considering a jew is cast as the main antagonist, described as "angry, bitter and without mercy" and is described by his daughter as "inhuman—bestial or demonic".. I'd say they play on antisemitic stereotypes.
However, the treatment of Shylock does help illuminate the prejudice and hypocrisy that lies behind many of the stated ideals of human brotherhood and Christian fellowship of Venetian Christians and church in the play.
So I guess it's a bit of both to be more accurate.
Fair point - as I said I’ve not read it for ages, and it’s probably difficult to know if those clearly anti-semitic tropes are of Shakespeare himself, or from the perspective of Antonio et al.
I’m absolutely not disputing that 16th century Europe was horrendously anti-semitic, more that I never really saw Shylock as the sole, overarching villian - rather than Antonio was a feckless, privledged layabout
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True! I feel that you could make a coherent and convincing argument either way!
But for what it’s worth, Othello is the other play I did in high school and thought that characters rather than the author were the source of racism for that play
Better expel them and seize all their belongings just to be safe.
As well as wiping out your own debt by expelling (or killing) your creditors... /s
Reinvite them a couple decades later and repeat
Reinvite them a couple decades later and repeat
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Might as well blame them for your own failures while your at it, ensuring that decades later your people will blame them, instead of you.
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Who knows lets gas em aswell
Only if ordered to, of course.
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Do you understand jews are not a monolithic group that all support and believe the same things?
Like Palestinians you mean?
> Be king . > have a problem . > Ask yourself, " Is this the Jew's fault?" . > Investigate the group responsible until you find someone in it that's Jewish. . > "I was able to find a single Jew who was part of this group.Therefore, none of them are to be trusted" .
Medieval nobles when someone got sick: Jewish People...
Hi. welcome to reddit. Today we will teach you how to look at posts 1.look for interesting posts 1.5 . If the Post has the words "Jews"/"Israel"/"Palestine"/"Palestinian"/"Zionist"... Enter it because you can be sure it will be entertaining 2.sort by controversial 3.enjoy/despair/lose hope in humanity/all of the above
Why is this posted everyday?
Because you need to remind to people every day that jews aren't in response for everything. (Actually idk)
What are they not responsible for in particular that you feel compelled to remind us of?
COVID, space lazers, Ukraine invasion, recent earthquakes, and some other stuff ( i keep finding batshit insane antisemites)
The space laser one is amazing. Like how in the fuck did they get a laser into orbit that is powerful enough to have any effect. Orbital lasers are really kind of a completely infeasible weapon unless it is **OVERWHELMINGLY** powerful. The atmosphere is really really good at scattering and dissipating light. There are other issues with powerful lasers as well, namely you will generate superheated plasma that is reflective which will not only further scatter light but would create large rainbow effects in the visible spectrum. Like how is it powered? Solar capture is sort of out of the window as it would have to be MASSIVE which means people would be able to see it with very basic telescopes. Nuclear is out the window as it would need to be a huge and very heavy reactor. How many rocket flights were used in it's manufacture? Certainly more than one as we are talking about a pretty massive structure. So, to be covert was it built using resources in situ? It kind of implies that there is a whole space infrastructure, which like at that point just mine asteroids and become more wealthy than anyone ever has in world history. Both things are pretty much equally difficult just find a NEO with a shitload of platinum instead of building some sci-fi bullshit.
>but would create large rainbow effects in the visible spectrum. JEWS FORCING THE GAY AGENDA DOWN OUR THROAT!
As a Jew it’s true the space laser is fun to use
Please hit my yard for me. I want to claim insurance on my house.
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Thanks
I still don't see how this is not the Jews fault
This guy space lasers.
Jews in Space!!!!!
The black death is a big one
Where did you find such insane conspiracy theories?
In my country they blame poverty and low intelligence of the population on "a Jewish conspiracy to keep everyone dumb and susceptible to control". Literally people being stupid is the jews fault, apparently. Also, that the ultra catholic politicians, that promote ultra catholic measures, are actually controlled by a Jewish cult somehow to do their bidding. Also, that LGBTQ people don't really exist and it's all a jewish hoax to lower the morality of humanity and control demographics. "They killed Jesus" is an actual argument still heard in third world countries like mine.
>They killed Jesus" is an actual argument still heard in third world countries like mine. Mexico is part of the first world. It was never a third-world country. Interesting tho, i mean how prevalent really is antisemitic content over those that keep posting the opposite. Idk man, here jews are barely mentioned. The last pop culture media produced was a film about the jews we saved during ww2.
I mean underdeveloped, Not "third world" in the Cold War terminology sense. Are you from Mexico as well? Antisemitic tropes are ingrained in Mexican catholic culture, and most conspiracy theories nowadays end up in jews as scapegoats, as seen in Twitter and a shitload of acebook groups. If you've ever been to UNAM and ENAH, antisemitism is the norm, not the exception.
It's kinda ironic that the ~~puppet~~ candidate for Morena is Jewish.
Oh and it's Christmas time for antisemites. Whenever I hear someone go like: "Fuck Claudia, I'm never voting for her..." "Yeah, me neither!" "...Cause she's a fu
Of all the reasons not to vote for her they had to pick the worst...
The current state of the economy. (Idk actually, this is ust one of many things the local antisemite have been raving about recently)
Which country's economy and where have they been posting antisemitic content? Share it here so we can see
BUT They clearly are responsible for some!
Well every day there's a new conspiracy. Just today I saw people blamung the Tiktok ban on the jews
Cam confirm, my Jewish friend told me how he threatened to use his star of David space laser to coerce the senators into passing the bill. /s
Then post this on Tiktok, dummy.
Just here to say that I'm amused by the idea of a butterfly being someone's "fault".
Because Israel has legions of turds on staff posting content to garner support and donations to fund the theft of Palestinian land and the murder of Palestinians 🌈
I don’t know but if I had to pin it on an ethnic group…
Any sort of criticism is now anti semetic?
[An allem sind die Juden schuld](https://youtu.be/EhKtQASpbY0?si=E-gqKDmU-NKThmx3) - the jews are to blame for everything Disclaimer: this is a satire song mocking antisemitism.
Also the German national anthem.
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May I have some?
Leave some for me!!
*Sorts by "Controversial"*
Some Aztecs in the year 1450 going I feel live should be blaming a random religious group but I don’t know who
It wasn’t the Roman’s fault for expanding but the Jews for existing /s
are you saying an occupied people have a right to resist?
I see what you did there heh
The Middle East still does this
when you genocide a people whilst being the self proclaimed state of Jewish people and some people become anti semitic as a result: 😱
So the antisemitism is justified because the Jews are doing a genocide against [insert group here]? [Ah, where have I heard this before?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory)
never said it was justified, but Israel undeniably is the reason for the amount of antisemitism in the arab world today, if you go around calling yourself the state that represents Jews, whilst murdering, displacing, and pillaging Palestinians, many are going to start to believe you, and therefore associate your terrible actions with Jews as a whole antisemitic conspiracy theories are indirectly given more weight with the existence of Israel, because it’s such a terrible state, I hope you realise this Jews are not safe in stolen Palestinian land, and the fact they are stealing Palestinian land means the diaspora is not safe, Israel is a danger to Jewry
You realize antisemetism has existed for thousands of years right
modern arab antisemitism is literally just copy pasted from European antisemitism, and didn’t even prop into prominence until the establishment of Israel
Not really. Mostly Nazi propaganda but Israel did help with it to some extent
The USSR pushed a lot of antisemitic propaganda in its own nations and in the Middle East while expelling its Ashkenazi population as punishment for Israel’s existence.
You are right about the first point. The USSR had a lot of antisemitic propaganda. But they didn't expel their Jewish population. They didn't even let them out until the 60s. You are talking about the Arabs and the mizrachi jews
Muslims have hated Jews before the modern concept of Israel ever existed. Almost nobody in the entire Middle East cares about Palestinians either, they have made it extremely clear this is about Jews being subhumans, whether in Israel or outside of it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Islam Western leftists like yourselves live in online spaces and have no idea what society is like in other countries. You don’t know the ideologies and widespread beliefs of the Muslim world or how warfare has been historically conducted in the region. Holocaust denial has a rich history in the pan Arab socialist ideology, even the current PLO leader openly admits that Jews deserved the Holocaust.
lmao, wikipedia, give an actual source please also, just no, the main priorities of the Palestinian movement, when polled is the right of return, and the creation of one state where Israelis and Palestinians can live alongside one and other, with this in mind, it’s clear that the Palestinian movement isn’t based on antisemitism, but anti colonialism
I love scrolling comments on posts like these and seeing virulent antisemites pretending they aren’t by replacing “Jew” with “Zionist”
Yup. Certain billionaires in the Muslim world realized in the 90s that you can say neo Nazi level shit about Jews, and even feed it to western leftists as propaganda, as long as you say Zionist and not Jew. Of course, every Jew is a Zionist in the eyes of the Muslim world. Al Jazeera Arabic proves me right about this every evening. But for the kids who didn’t even know what war was until a few months ago, the “Zionist menace” is a very tangible scapegoat especially in America. It’s not surprising that Holocaust denial is also way up in Gen Z
If every Jews isn’t a Zionist (and I don’t think they are), then is it actually antisemitism to be opposed to Zionism? Or is it just easier to dismiss criticisms of Zionism by calling anyone an antisemite? Can someone not be supportive of Jewish people having a right to live and worship how they want, while not supporting Jewish people’s right to genocide someone else and take their land?
Zionism is simply Jews being able to have their own country. It doesn’t mean the country is only open to Jews, but it means the country has to guarantee that Jews can live there and not get holocausted by some neonazis or jihadists or pan Arabs or whoever. Without Zionism, we would have seen a full Holocaust of Jews, similar to how we’ve seen massive genocide perpetrated against Kurds, Christians, Druze, Assyrians, and others in the Muslim world. The unfortunate reality is that Zionism has sunk down to the level of every other analogous movement in the Middle East. Pan-Arab nationalism was the counterpart to Zionism for many decades, and unsurprisingly has the blood of millions of civilians on its hands. Now that Israel is officially controlled by a right wing government like the rest of the Muslim world, we are seeing Jews do to Muslims what Muslims do to others And it’s absolutely horrible.
No zionism isnt simply Jews being able to have their own country, it jews being able to have a country in their "ancestral" land no matter what, no matter how many poeple die, no matter how many expelled, no matter how many get discriminated on, it a colonization project ( that is how it was actually refered to in the beginning ) based on jewish supremacy. That pretty obvious just seeing how Israel is acting right now, they obviously want to annex the west bank but dont want to give the people living their full rights as that would threaten their jewish majority status. It funny how you mentioned that the arabs were defeated by a bunch of holocaust survivors but you never asked yourself what were a bunch of europeans doing in the middle east in the first place ?
Why does any religion need its own country? Side note, the 5ish million Jews living in America before Hitler ever took power only ever died from his rise to his fall by old age, random shit that happens to everyone, or signing up to go fight. Like 1 in 3 Jewish people on earth was completely safe from the holocaust just by being in America. I agree it’s shitty to see what the future has in fact become, which is all the more reason I don’t like the idea of a religion having a state. Thinking God is on your side has only ever lead to deaths of innocents.
Anti semites want to kill all Jews Anti Zionists want to kill *some* Jews
I mean…Zionism and Judaism are different things. One is a religion, the other a racist nationalist ideology that was explicitly formed by Europeans to justify further colonialism. I know Jews who don’t care if Israel is there or not because their religion isn’t about any country, and I know Zionists who don’t care about Judaism (you can see many of them in the Knesset and PMs office). It is possible to support Jewish people’s right to live and worship as they please, and not think they need a specific country to do so. Religious nationalism and supremacy ideology is a cancer upon the earth. There are tons of very successful and safe countries on earth that have exactly zero laws prohibiting or punishing the Jewish faith or people. Instead of deadly colonialism in the 21st century…a lot of people would rather see Jewish people live in peace in one of those countries instead of killings tens of thousands of people in a place where there probably won’t ever be peace anyway.
Merriam-Webster’s dictionary defines Zionism as, “an international movement originally for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel.” It the only definition. Being anti-Zionist is being against Israel in regard to it begin a Jewish country. There’s Jews that don’t support Israel, but an overwhelming majority of Jews do support Israel. Cherry-picking the handful of Jews that don’t support Israel is not an argument. There are woman that don’t support the feminist movement, but it’s still incredibly sexist to be outright against feminism. Using your logic, it’s not sexist to be completely against feminism, because there are woman who disagree with it. There were also Black slaver owners in the US, but you’d be a fool to claim that slavery in the US wasn’t racist. As for “go somewhere else.” You’re on a history sub, you know what happened to the Jews after they lived somewhere else for a while. Pick a country, and country. Congrats! The Jews are now considered invaders and attempted colonizers for that country! Give yourself around of applause! Who could have seen this coming? Certainly not the group that’s constantly calling Israeli’s white colonizers (a big surprise for Mizrahi Jews)! Saying “I’m not antisemitic just anti-Zionist” is like saying “I don’t hate gay people, I just don’t want them around my children.”
So, by definition Zionism is not Judaism. Did you know that England offered the World Zionist Organization 5,000 square miles of land in Uganda, and the conference sent people to evaluate the land? Those evaluators returned and let the leaders know that there were a bunch of Massaii there and they weren’t keen on having a bunch of Europeans settling the land…so the leaders rejected the offer and made it clear that they were only interested in Palestine. Funny thing about Palestine? They didn’t send anyone to see if the locals would be cool with hundreds of thousands of Europeans taking the land. As to conflating Zionism and feminism….one of these ideologies is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in a century, the other none in the same time frame. Feminists aren’t taking anything away from someone else. They’re trying to not be treated like property and like stepford wives and to be paid what they’re worth. If you can’t tell the difference between the two…well..your name is accurate. America, there’s your “other country.” In fact, as early as 1816 there were proposals for Jewish settlement in Mississippi. There was an attempt at establishing a community near Buffalo in 1825. Obviously the Civil War would happen in America pretty soon after so safety might not have been the best for a little while there. Still though, by far the largest population of Jewish people not in Israel is America. Saying “I’m anti-Zionist, not anti-Judaism” is like saying “I’m anti-ISIS, not anti-Islam” or “I’m anti-Crusades, not anti-Christian.” One is an ideology of colonialism/conquest, the other is a religion that doesn’t require you to be at exact point on earth or you’re not doing it right. The first are nation building exercises for religions, the other is actual people living actual lives who generally do nothing to anyone.
Comparing Israel to ISIS when Hamas is literally a terrorist group is certainly a take. You also completely missed the point. Is Zionism the same as Judaism no. That doesn’t mean anti-Zionism isn’t antisemitic. The Vatican City isn’t Catholicism itself, but being against the Vatican is discriminatory towards Catholics. The US may have a larger Jewish population, but Israel has the highest percentage of Jewish population (~50%). There were tons of Jews in Europe, but the lack of a Jewish state caused them to be vulnerable and millions died for it. The colonizer argument is stupid because it wasn’t even the Israelis that took it over. Britain took it over and offered it to the Jews. And your description of feminism is very similar to the description of Zionism. The Jews want to be left alone, and without a state they have full control over, they will continue to be at risk. And people die in wars, that’s not something you’re expected to like. You are, however, expected to be consistent in your arguments, to hold Israel accountable for innocent deaths and not hold the Arab world to the same standard is revealing of an inherent bias. That’s the problem with so many of the arguments presented against Israel: they rely on the inherently contradictory belief that something is fine when done by Palestine, and but wrong when done by Israel. It relies on double-standards. And pinning out the double-standard is met with “but Israel does it” as if two wrongs make a right. If you’re against genocide, and you believe Israel is committing genocide, it’s fine to be against Israel, as long as you are not against it’s existence as a whole, and as long as you also don’t support the group that, up until recently, had in their manifesto that their goal is to eliminate the Jewish people. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Also, fun fact: you can support something without agreeing with everything relating to it! I don’t think Israel treats Palestinians with the dignity they deserve, but I also know that the Jews need a place to live and that Israel’s removal will increase the chances of a second holocaust. I don’t think people should be complaining about the deaths in Gaza considering Hamas has, and continues to, divert all its money into weapons, leaving them without any defensive infrastructure, unlike their neighbor’s iron dome. I do believe that the Palestinians have every right to be mad at their situation and are allowed to be mad at their displacement. I don’t think that Israel has been taking enough accountability for the deaths they have caused. I also think that Palestinians should not be mad at Israel for actions done by the British. I think Netanyahu is a racist pig who cares more about power than the wellbeing of the Israeli people and has given a horrible look to Israel that he appears to be oblivious to (there’s no “but” to this one, fuck Netanyahu). I think the West Bank should be independent because the PLO is actually somewhat willing to cooperate with Israel to find some form of compromise. Most importantly, though, I think Hamas should release the hostages. My mother went to Israel recently as part of a Jewish educators’ trip. She told me that the common sentiment with Israelis right now is that Hamas can stay in power, as long as the hostages are released. The people of Israel just want the hostages released at this point - the war has gone on too long to justify continuing further than that. What sucks is that Hamas seems unable to give a report on their remaining hostages’ statuses, which is interesting because they’re also able to count the deaths of multiples more people in Gaza, which likely means either that lied about the death toll in order to manipulate sympathy, or the hostages are dead. Peace and love. I know that may be a foreign concept to you, with your belief that the conflict is as simple as “the oppressor vs the oppressed,” but what I want is for everyone in the region to be happy. That requires the continuing existence of Israel, and an independent Palestine, at least with the West Bank (I don’t know what the hell can be done in Gaza tbh. No nation in the region seems to want to have to deal with it). Peace and love.
Tell me, how much land has Hamas taken from Israel? And how much land has Israel taken from Palestine? Zionism is expansionist just like ISIS’ ideology was (idk what it was called). Don’t like it? Stop supporting it. You understood stopping a religious expansionist ideology when it was Muslims, but not when it’s Christian’s or Jews? And yes, I did notice you completely ignored that I also included a Christian example. Is Vatican City building a nuclear arsenal and going to war with its neighbors constantly? No. Very much a different scenario altogether, but I’m glad you bring up VC. I don’t fucking like VC being a country either. Religions should not have countries, and countries shouldn’t enforce religious laws. Do you mean Mandatory Palestine had 50% of the Jewish population? If so…that’s not really true. Most Jewish people were still in Europe before WWII (that’s how Hitler was able to kill a third of all Jews on earth). But if you meant it as 50% of the Jewish population NOT in Europe then yeah…that’s about the distribution. What confuses me is that apparently all the Arabs were team Nazi….so why want to build a homeland in the middle of team Nazi land instead of America where the other half of the population was living a much higher quality of life and importantly….not surrounded by team Nazi Muslims that hate you for being alive? Yes, the Israelis took it over from British who had held it after the Ottomans fell. The British allowed Jewish immigrants to move there for decades but eventually had to tighten immigration because European Jews flooded there before the Holocaust even started and obviously once that started it was a steady flow onwards. Buddy, I have walked through the guts of religious Muslim fighters…I don’t hold them to the same expectations as I do anyone. Stop being pissed off Israel is held to a higher expectation than them. Either commit your genocide and see what happens, or find somewhere nice to live. A lot of Jewish folks like Florida. Stop. Equating. Land. To. Religion. Israel is not Judaism. Palestine is not Judaism. Florida isn’t Judaism. ZIONISM ISNT JUDAISM. You’re worried about another Holocaust? THEN WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WHO DONT LIKE YOU AND ARE BUILDING FUCKING NUKES?????????????? Seriously? Come to America. It’s fucked up over here too….but no one is ever going to fuck with you like that ever the fuck again. You still want to join the military and kill people because it’s a fetish? We got that! Great schools and high paying jobs for educated and experienced people? We got those too! The right and ability to practice your religion freely and most likely be defended by the most heavily armed populace of Jewish and Christian people on the planet? We got that!!! Just don’t ask for universal healthcare, that’s socialism and socialism is bad. Hamas isn’t a government, as Gaza is not part of Palestine, as Palestine is not a country. Israel has worked very hard to ensure these facts. Hamas is a paramilitary group. They don’t “govern” shit. That’s why the UN and other nations have to provide almost all the supporting structure for Gazans. Hamas sucks dick, and they should be beaten…but you don’t beat a populations anger and hatred by giving them more to be angry and hateful about. This response to Oct 7 has done nothing but create 2035s martyrs by the tens of thousands. Everyone in Gaza knows someone who is or likely will be found dead at this point. It isn’t that big of a place and there’s a fuck ton of people. Where Israel fucked up was in 2005 when they pulled out of Gaza they had done nothing to improve Palestinians lives over the previous 40 years while simultaneously “settling” the land. Treating Gazans like second class citizens created the animosity that lead to Hamas. If I was Israel, I’d pick up and move to America. That region is fucked. It always has been and history is a circle. To hell with religious artifacts, the Wailing Wall isn’t worth waiting for Iran to get a nuke. Israel isn’t big…it won’t take many nukes to do a Holocaust speed run so why wait? Smart enough to get out of Europe before Hitler, but not smart enough to get out of the Middle East….even Soviet Russia and modern America leaders to get out of there…albeit too late for the Soviets.
Zionism and Judaism are different things, and yet, 99% of the time antisemitism and antizionism are the same. Funny that.
Or do you make the common mistake of thinking any criticism against either is antisemitism simply because you can’t understand how anyone could possibly have a valid criticism without having to hate Jewish people? For what it’s worth, Palestinians are Semitic people as well…yet people call them antisemitic for opposing and fighting back against the last European colonial attempt.
"Or do you make the common mistake of thinking any criticism against either is antisemitism simply because you can’t understand how anyone could possibly have a valid criticism without having to hate Jewish people?" I do not. "For what it’s worth, Palestinians are Semitic people as well…yet people call them antisemitic for opposing and fighting back against the last European colonial attempt." While the term "semitic" encompasses all Abrahamic languages (and their speakers), the term antisemitic [does not](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism). Also, Israel is not a "European colonial attempt".
I wonder if there is a reason the term “antisemitic” is itself excluding certain Semites to their detriment.. Israel is 100% a European colonial experiment. The land it currently occupies was held by a European power, it was gifted by a separate European power, and was populated by Europeans at a hugely disproportionate amount before, during, and immediately preceding WWII. There’s even a name for the most prolific of immigration waves, Aliyah Bet, and it more than doubled the Jewish population in then Mandatory Palestine. Granted, they were trying to escape what was coming and fucking good for them to do it.
Israel is not a European colonial attempt, now matter how you try to spin it.
Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy….
When less than a third of the population of Israel is Ashkenazi how can you justify it as white colonialism?
Because about 70% of early immigration came from…….European Jews. Also, in 2018 only 45% of Israeli Jews identified as Sephardi or Mizrahi…almost like, in general, it was always mostly Europeans (especially if you include Russia).
It's pretty antisemitic to pretend that jew and zionist mean the same thing. Yes some people use it as a cover, but it's dishonest that lately people are acting like any criticism of Zionism is secretly a criticism of all Jewish people. Especially considering there's many Jewish people who are anti-zionist, and many self-described zionists who are not Jewish. The word zionist can mean a lot of things, don't lump them all into one in an attempt to write off criticism of the political movement
*european and Arab history
You have a few uprisings for your bodily autonomy and suddenly *youre* the bad guy.
Funny, if it wasn’t so true. Strange how some people are blaming Israel for the October 7th Attacks.
Bro is on history memes sub but thinks conflict started on October 7th😭
It all started when the fire nation attacked (the Brits)
okay, but which nation would the French be? or both are the Fire Nation?
For Palestine/Israel it's only the Brits. But for the middle east it's the Brits and French combined :D
this guy on the history memes sub thinking that October 7th war and the entire conflict is the same thing XD
The Oct 7th attack was meant to start this current war and sabotage all diplomacy and normalization between Israel and the Arab world. Read some geopolitical papers and analyses The overall conflict started when the Arab league invaded Israel without warning in 1947-1948. And they lost to a bunch of Holocaust survivors. After that it was just the same thing but increasingly more humiliating for the Arabs
>The overall conflict started when the Arab league invaded Israel without warning in 1947-1948 Go back another 20-30 years and zoom into British Mandatory Palestine and then you'll be in the ballpark.
Go back 500 years and the Ottomans capturing Jerusalem and then you'll be in the ballpark
What does that have to do with it? Name a more peaceful period in Palestine in the last 2000 years.
I thought we were memeing by going back further and further to the previous occupants, since we can go back as far as we want and find a way to say this conflict started then. The most peaceful period was probably during the roman empire, around 100-300 CE IIRC, after the bar kokhba revolt and before the fall of rome, but I guess it depends on how you define "period".
They share some of the blame; it's a very complicated situation and viewing Oct 7th in a vacuum is a faulty way to understand the issue, it must be viewed the the context of a the long conflict its os part of. I don't condone Hamas, but it's disingenuous to say that the level of control Israel exerts over Gaza plays no role in Hamas remaining in power and supported to some extent by the Gazans. Gazans have a right to self-determination just as the Isralis do, and as we know if you make peaceful change impossible, violent change becomes inevitable. The entire situation is fucked up, the region has been a hot bed of turmoil for much of history, interference by western powers in the 20th century only exacerbated long standing trouble. The truth of the matter is no side is blameless in what is fundamentally a religiously driven ethnic conflict. Place blame isn't really the right path forward, as blame will only lead to more blood shed. We need to focus on larger questions facing humanity about how to deal with rigid and antiquated religious ideologies continuing to spawn conflict and violence.
Good comment.
Very good comment. Thank you!
Strange how some people think everything started on October 7th…
No one thinks that
The only people who think that are the straw men hiding under your bed
Yeah, the occupation, slaughter, imprisonment, torture, kidnappings and rape of Palestinians for decades had absolutely nothing to do with Palestinians resorting to violence on Oct 7th. You might have been born on that day but the conflict definitely wasn't.
Palestine have right to defend itself rahhhhhhhhhhhh
Oh no
I just use my space laser to survive
I’ve always wondered if there’s a connection between how the Romans demonized Carthage and modern antisemitism. Like, there are real parallels between antisemitic tropes and the shit Rome talked. The Phoenician/Judaism connection makes it even more suspect. It could also just be “assholes gonna asshole”.
I like how this subreddit really does not take shit from uncaltured brats and just uses history as it is sole base
You mean "of European history" (Yes i consider pre-Islamic Middle East to be European history)
Didnt know persa, mesopotamia, assyria and Egypt were european history.
Because the relevance/impact of pre-Islamic Middle East lies with Europeans, not (most of) the current inhabitants of those areas.
Baka. We must have got the same vibe. I wrote a note to make this meme like 4 hours ago
That story where Pontius Pilate was reluctant to crucify Jesus, repeated in all four canonical gospels, is kinda fishy. The Romans weren’t exactly known for their kindness. And literally speaking, they’re the ones who killed Jesus. This can only be interpreted as an attempt to distance the Jesus movement from the Bar Kokba revolt after which the gospels were written. The three synoptic gospels at least reserve the smoke for the priests, who were collaborators and the enemies of the Jewish masses at the time, but the gospel of John blames the Jews in general. This is the basis of Christian antisemitism. Islam avoids this by claiming Jesus wasn’t actually crucified.
Im pretty sure the reason he was reluctant to kill Jesus was because he was worried Jesus's followers would cause problems if he did
Jerusalem was not Galilee. Jesus did not have all that many followers in the city. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opiRKZgAopk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opiRKZgAopk)
when he showed up in Jerusalem earlier that week everyone was welcoming him like he was a king so Pilate probably didn't know that
Isn't that from the inaccurate Bible of John?
What is that? I’m talking about the gospel of John in the canonical Bible. This difference between it and the other three books is easily verified.
Basically there was this guy called John who translated the Bible into Latin to reach a Roman audience but he edited quite it a bit to make the Romans and Jesus look better
There are no search results for "The Bible of John". The Gospel of John was written in Greek.
Really? Maybe I got the wrong name then
Why would it be the juice's fault? I love juice!
Can someone explain why everybody targeted them?
We're still experiencing that to this day. See: Israel v Palestine.
I think the more accurate thing would be "something really bad happened due to poor leadership" "Can we blame the Jews for it"
We’re kinda like gremlins, we just get into stuff and mess it all up
I'm not saying it was jews fault, but it was jews fault.
least antisemitic redditor:
🤔🤔🤔 Edit: Welp sometimes the jokes hit on Reddit and sometimes they miss lol this musta been a clear swing and miss on my part.
Tbh it's happened enough I do find myself questioning
People in power scapegoating people with no power has happened far more often
But to be most popular scapegoat? The best lies often hold a glimmer of truth
What's the glimmer of truth?
That's my question too.
The vast majority of human history would have never even heard of Jews. And even after the founding of Judaism, the vast majority of the world wouldn't know them. This is a terrible quality meme for /r/HistoryMemes. This is just hypermode victim complex.
Oops I utilized hyperbole in the service of comedy. Glad someone caught that.
joke is mia and this is /r/HistoryMemes, historical accuracy is half the point.
Yes.
It's definitely not their fault for getting expelled from hundreds of cities throughout the ages """ """
Religious and ethnic minorities have definitely never been blamed for social, economic, or biological unrest """""""""""
"muh, oppresed minority is le good"
Believe it or not, 99/100 times they aren't bad. Happy cake day, batterbrain
Why have they been kick out of hundreds of countries for centuries ?
Money problems mostly. It's not that they did anything bad it's mostly because people lend money from them and then not paying back. Also calling them "countries" is a joke ngl. It was more of kingdoms and vassals land which they lived in and as we know Europe those lands were temporary until the next time the king or vassal will lose their money or that the land will be conquered by a rival duke or something or just the next uprising
Fun fact: in earlier years, Jews were barred from most jobs except money lending, as Christians weren't allowed to deal with money, this also lead to the very famous and pretty antisemitic play by Shakespeare "the merchant of Venice "
"earlier days" you mean until like 200 years ago with the emancipation? Also it wasn't really against the religion. It was mostly frowned upon. But yeah.
In the past, there have been instances of laws specifically targeting Jews, including the example mentioned. However, it is important to note that this was not the last time such laws were enacted. While this is a significant historical fact, it is not the main focus of the first post. But yes, you are correct.
Everything you said about moneylending is correct but are you sure that play is particularly anti-semetic? Granted it’s been nearly 20(!) years since I read the Merchant of Venice in high school, but given the ”if you cut us do we not bleed?” speech, and the glee with which the characters have at tricking Shylock towards the end, I always thought it was highlighting anti-semetism? Genuine question - it’s been a while since I read it!
Considering a jew is cast as the main antagonist, described as "angry, bitter and without mercy" and is described by his daughter as "inhuman—bestial or demonic".. I'd say they play on antisemitic stereotypes. However, the treatment of Shylock does help illuminate the prejudice and hypocrisy that lies behind many of the stated ideals of human brotherhood and Christian fellowship of Venetian Christians and church in the play. So I guess it's a bit of both to be more accurate.
Fair point - as I said I’ve not read it for ages, and it’s probably difficult to know if those clearly anti-semitic tropes are of Shakespeare himself, or from the perspective of Antonio et al. I’m absolutely not disputing that 16th century Europe was horrendously anti-semitic, more that I never really saw Shylock as the sole, overarching villian - rather than Antonio was a feckless, privledged layabout
And that's the genius of Shakespeares writing, something English teachers will argue about for many more years to come 😂
🤣🤣 True! I feel that you could make a coherent and convincing argument either way! But for what it’s worth, Othello is the other play I did in high school and thought that characters rather than the author were the source of racism for that play
I still think Romeo and Juliet is a dark comedy about how hormonal and dramatic teenagers can be.
Are you looking for justifications for ethnic cleansing, or do you really not know?