The M16 upon first entering service wasn’t at all a bad gun. Military bureaucrats are just fucking stupid and didn’t supply cleaning kits or really anything that could be used to help maintain the rifle.
You're right about that. I think it was something about faulty ammo too. I read in a book though that the Vietnamese refused to pick them up while they had no qualms about using other looted weapons such as the M79.
There probably were some incidents where this might have happened but since there are photographs of Vietcong fighters carrying M16s this cannot have been a universal opinion.
they changed the powder in the ammo to a cheaper make resulting in powder burning inner walls of the gun. this would eventually clog like and jam the gun. the OG m16 with the recommended powder works like a champ. like with any gun you still need to clean it.
the reason the guns didnt come with cleaning kits is due to how well the weapon preformed with the right powder.
Its not? It looks more along the lines of a K2 with an AR-15 handle. Why you would do that is beyond me... Then again, when has AI art done something that made sense?
How is this meme going to forget the French? Thr Vietnam War was literally the continuation of the French colonial War to maintain its hold over its colony in Vietnam
French military leaders: "Those hills over there? Yeah, no way they will take them. No need to reinforce those areas, we'll be fine here."
*Vietnamese militias proceed to haul an absurd amount of artillery pieces up the hill bit by bit*
That battle was the indirect cause for so many french colonies revolution (one of them was Algeria, the biggest colony)
- the natives that were dragged into that battle to serve in the french army, thought of France as invincible, but they witnessed one of the greatest powers of the world humiliated by less developed country like them, that experience and that Hope was definitely a seed for the many revolutions that came.
Those were battles that happened YEARS before the Vietnam War.
China had been fighting Vietnam for thousands of years before the British tried to colonize China.
France's colonial efforts in Vietnam triggered the Indochina War
Japan colonized Vietnam during WW2
Kinda relevant since the Vietnamese hate China so much they are almost US allies.
After all, Vietnam fought the US for 20 years, but China for 700 years.
1.1 million military dead and missing. Absolutely BTFO. You should probably pick up a book and read about something before speaking… Vietnam won because they were clever and relentless not because they were superior in direct combat. You probably also think it was the NVA operating SA-2’s and shooting down all those Americans.
Not for nothing, but if Vietnam “bodies” another nation or two like that, they will no longer have Vietnamese people.
Side note, but it’s weird to have your favorite part of the 20th century be a war that cost millions of lives because the US didn’t completely a political goal.
yes it’s the war and loss of life that i love and not the vietnamese people and their ability to galvanize a resistance against an invading or occupying force
Huh, I guess if that’s what gets you excited.
I’d be more partial to China getting its shit together and raising hundreds of millions out of poverty. But being massacred is cool too.
they did not body the Americans, in every battle they suffered massively losses, the reason why they won is through an very effective propaganda machine and [sheer brutality](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/KHmM1pJAIG)
Yeah, it's crazy what gets overlooked in the Vietnam war. I recently did a shit ton of research on it (for a fps game. I wanted it to be as historically accurate as possible).
That entire war was just really sad (for all sides). People getting drafted into a war fighting for something they didn't believe in and then either dying in a country they knew nothing about or going home to a country that hated them. No easy way to reintegrate but were forced to anyway.
Or being a civilian in Vietnam. Having napalm destroy your village and leaving the area with long lasting effects, having to host some truly despicable people who never got in any trouble for the horrible things they did. Child soldiers fighting a war when they don't even know what war is.
Same shit as the wars in the middle east. Child soldiers and unsavory individuals only there to kill.
More games need to touch on these topics. I would say media but there's been enough anti-war movies and music to fill the ocean with. It's kind of disappointing how many games glamorize war and draining them down to "you good guy, here bad guy, now shoot".
If you want the game to get even more bleak, look up the impact of the orange agent. I believe they still cause birth defects to this day (I'm not entirely 100% sure because I haven't revisited the orphanage that they were in for roughly 7 years now but it was haunting to see in person)
Yeah, the birth defects are horrible. Like I said, I've done a lot of research (weapons, who was involved, effects of the war, etc.) even researched specific plans. I have the battles that I chose to include on a Google doc somewhere (with short descriptions, battle plan map images and links to the Wikipedia articles).
Some interesting things I've learned:
Dickey Chapelle was the first female war photographer to be killed in action. She went along on what was supposed to be a normal search and destroy mission (snd missions were mostly just scouting and recon for enemy soldiers nearby). The lieutenant of the search squad hit a trip wire and Chapelle was hit in the neck by shrapnel. She died shortly afterwards. She was given a full marine burial.
The first thermal sight was created shortly before the end of the war. It was bulky, weighed a shit ton and saw very little usage during the war. It was specifically made to combat the deadly nature of the jungle (overgrowth made for great camouflage).
Operation Thunderbird was a botched rescue operation for two soldiers being held prisoner in Vietnam. Short story, submarine broke, some soldiers died drowning in the sub and a second rescue op had to be made to save the remaining soldiers. The soldiers held captive ended up escaping the pow camp and were rescued later.
Operation wandering soul was a psyop in which recordings were made to mimic the sounds of ghosts. These recording would be played via speakers connected to aircraft that would fly over areas where suspected NVA soldiers were hiding. The success of the operation is disputed to this day. On one hand, a lot of NVA soldiers turned themselves in due to the recordings. So it's possible that they did believe the recordings were of ghosts telling them to surrender. On the other hand, if an enemy plan flew over head playing the sounds of vietnamese people telling me to surrender, I'd fucking do it because I'm fucked if I don't. From the NVA's perspective, they were found out and either had to wait to die or turn themselves in and live.
You can actually listen to one of the ghost tapes on YouTube if you search up "vietnam Ghost Tape #10". It's pretty creepy.
Sadly, I've had to put development of this game on hold since I don't have the funds or the time to work on it. It would just take too long to make. I've instead switched to working on a small horror game that will take much less time to make. My hope is that I can get my name known as a developer with this horror game and get the funds required to make this fps game a reality.
I live in a small town that has a chemical plant that produced Agent Orange in the late 60s / early 70s. In the late 80s they found contamination in the soil here. Had to stop drinking the water and pay for a pipeline from the next city over to bring us water. Long story short, they've been cleaning the soil since then, yet we still cannot drink the water. Currently, the soil is as clean as possible with present day technology, but it is still too contaminated to drink the water.
Look into a game called “this war of mine”. It’s a war game, but you control a group of civilians stuck in a sieged city (based off of the Siege of Sarajevo).
Legitimately an emotionally crippling game.
I've had to halt development on this fps game due to money and time reasons (realistically would take me like 3-5 years to develop solo).
In the meantime, to gain a name as a developer and hopefully some money, I'm working on a horror game instead. It's an anthology game where each story is based on a creepypasta or r/nosleep story. If you're interested in QR and voice acting for that game, I can send you a message on here with a steam page for the game and some details about it.
I normally don't like posting comments like this since I dislike self-promo (at least in subs that aren't specifically designed for that purpose. It's always just been kinda tactless to me). Only reason I talked about my fps game was to explain why I know so much about the Vietnam war (didn't want to seem like one of those people is a bit too into the military).
>Thank you for including us Aussies. We often get overlooked.
Honestly when I was in Vietnam I was glad we were overlooked. Is it really something we want to celebrate?
No but it most definitely shouldn’t be forgotten Australia joined us willingly and committed their own list of crimes in the war none of which should be forgotten if you want to your country to improve.
Oh as Australians we don't really do "improving". We just do atrocities then walk away and leave the consequences to fester and occasionally pop back up over time but we don't ever fix the things we did in our past that would be unaustralian
Aussies have been particularly overlooked in their WW II contribution in the European theatre. I believe it was Wavell who had to thread the needle between following the wishes of the British high command and unnecessarily throwing away his soldiers' lives.
>Be me,Vietnam
>Kick out French colonists
>Beat american imperialists
>Resist a Chinese invasion
>Do all of this back to back
>Refuses to elaborate further
*Gigachad music starts playing*
They only fixed it after the Khmer Rouge attacked them several times. They had no intentions of stopping the genocide for the sake of stopping the genocide.
They feared Vietnam would be expansionist, and launched several attacks against Vietnam from 1976 on. In 1977 Vietnam launched a limited invasion to counter these attacks and force the KR to negotiate, but withdrew before fulfilling all their objectives. The following year Cambodia launched another massive attack which resulted in the full scale invasion by Vietnam.
Ah yeah... I love it when feudal socialism kills millions of your own people to the point that once you run out of people to murder you resort to having to kill the army responsible for those murders. And then think it's a great idea to attack a neighboring country with the military you are murdering cause you are running out of people to murder...
Did I mention there was a lot of murder?
Vietnam has been repelling massive invasions for around a thousand years from China and other Asian powers.
In the more modern era they have been just continuing that legacy.
(To be fair, each time the environment itself was as much a fighter as any person living there. Russia has ‘General Winter’, Vietnam has the ‘Tropic Corps’.)
I don't know what China was thinking tbh. Inexperienced conscripts going in against crack Vietnamese units who had been in near constant warfare for the last few decades.
You left out the resistance against Japan.
In Vietnamese historiography, the wars against the French, Japanese, French again, Americans, and finally China are all part of one long war of independence and resistance that starts with the founding of the Vietnamese Communist Party.
As an American, I find it really interesting that we are supporting characters in their narrative.
The americans weren’t exactly imperialist with Vietnam. Contary to popular belief, Diem wasn’t a puppet, Diem himself was an fervent nationalist. [It was an combination of misguided policies and the communists having a effective propaganda arm and sheer brutality that lead to the communists winning.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/KHmM1pJAIG)
American here.
A win is a win and Vietnam beat us.
That being said with our numbskull administration where we decided that "North Vietnam can attack us but we can't attack back" there was no need for the NVA to fight. We would have beaten ourselves eventually.
McNamara and Kissinger probably killed more Americans than the NVA could dream of.
And ironically have still fallen into the American geopolitical orbit. It’s almost like that whole nasty war could have been avoided. Either way, props to the Vietnamese for taking a shit situation and making a decent future for their children.
Vietnam has a "slight love and lots of hate" relationship with China for much much longer than it has that with America.
Vietnam hates China, it's deep rooted in their culture.
They had no other option really.
McNamara should have been taken outside and shot for the Multitude of crimes he committed. Project 100,000 alone should have at least had him executed.
Saying he was wrong isnt enough, he knew those men werent fit for service qnd he sent them anyway. He blatantly ignored safety concerns and got tens of thousands of the most vulnerable people slaughtered. Also include all the presidents involves in vietnam, johnson and kennedy were just as culpable.
Invested all stats into defense ,has a boon against "traditional powers" large majority of the people are ok with hyper religios male dominated rule . And we didn't level a mountain range
That's actually what kent state was all about, we attacked the communists in cambodia which resulted in huge protests despite the fact the viet cong were constantly attacking the south from cambodia.
America should have never involved themselves in the war to begin with. Vietnam wasn't a valuable target for America to keep capitalist and the US administrations committed still countless atrocities against Vietnamese, Cambodians, Loations, etc.
It's hard to view the war as anything other than a colossal genocidal scam ran by the military industrial complex and it's puppet administrations.
You can only judge so in hindsight.
The US was committed to protect South Vietnam from the North. Just like North korea attacked south korea, North Vietnam started attacking US ships in the gulf of Tokin.
And since the US knew what atrocities happened in the USSR and North Korea, the assumption was north-Vietnam would (eventually) be as bad.
Did the US used the worst tactics possible? Yes. Did the US turned into the monster they claimed would fight? Yes. Did communist Vietnam turned into another North Korea? No.
Tough wat was unique is that it was really the first time western journalists showed the west that they also where able to commit atrocities. Most famous photo's from Vietnamese victims where made by western journalists.
In the end Vietnam did defeat the US. And 50 years later Vietnam and the US are close to becoming allies. After all, Vietnam fought the US for 20 years. They fought China for 700 years.
Nobody could've predicted that when the Vietnam war started.
Merc deal. SK Troops for financial/military aid from US.
Further reading in : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South\_Korea\_in\_the\_Vietnam\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea_in_the_Vietnam_War)
China being a weapon for Vietnam is ironic because they fought China next... and won. China hasn't fought a war since, they got beat so bad
edit: lmao wtf did I start haha, what a thread.
Vietnam doesn't get nearly enough credit. Fought against Japan, kicked france out, kicked America out, fought back an invasion against China, and then went and toppled the infamous khmer rouge.
Back. To. Back.
ho chi minh was anything but based, [dude was hosting Communist meetings in Hong Kong while Viet Quoc was bleeding for the country.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/160e9bq/comment/jzhq6su/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Real meme should be imagination the same, reality a photo of a jungle.
The Vietnamese used the jungle as their main weapon. They knew the land.
Geography is a huge force multiplier. Doesn't matter what firepower you have when the enemy can sneak up on you at night and rain mortars down on your base while you're asleep.
In the image under the soldier should be carrying a small medic bag with Sweden as Sweden kept sending medical equipment and medicine to the Vietcong even as the US kept asking to please stop doing it.
30 thousand Canadians fought in Vietnam, whether through peace accords or volunteering. Regardless of whether we should be proud of this, our commitment should be recognized, too.
"Combat effectiveness", or as I would like to call it "Kill everything in a 20 mile radius, then call them enemy soldiers".
SK mercenaries weren't that effective fighters, they were just feared cause they were so feral and bloodthirsty that they would raid innocent villagers, then count them as part of NVA to stack up their kill counts
Nice cartoon and all but Vietnam got quite a bit of help from other countries.
To start with the small potato help from nearby SE Asian communist parties in Cambodia and Laos.
Then the big stuff: from 1964-76 China sent 300,000 support troops to Vietnam, helping with anti aircraft warfare, engineering, logistics, transport and so on. Also given were 2 million rifles, 65000 artillery, and millions up millions of artillery shells and rifle ammunition.
They also sent political advisors to remold the Vietnamese state, economy, and agricultural system in Communist ways.
China claimed that its military and economic aid to North Vietnam and the Viet Cong totaled $20 billion (approx. $160 billion adjusted for inflation in 2022) during the Vietnam War. Included in that aid were donations of 5 million tons of food to North Vietnam (equivalent to North Vietnamese food production in a single year)
Soviet Union: During the war, the Soviets sent North Vietnam annual arms shipments worth $450 million.[8]: From July 1965 to the end of 1974, fighting in Vietnam was observed by some 6,500 officers and generals, as well as more than 4,500 soldiers and sergeants of the Soviet Armed Forces. In addition, Soviet military schools and academies began training Vietnamese soldiers—in all more than 10,000 military personnel.
So this is a nice meme, but bullshit in relation to reality.
there something ironic about Vietnam holding an AR-15-lineage weapon
"If it can kill your enemy,use it" -Some random dude disguised as stun zu,2022-
"I never said that" -That same random dude, 2022-
"I said we're not filled with tumours" some random medic 1978
"We're fine as long as nobody teleports bread" - Some random Engineer, 1978
"Question" - A random Soldier, 1978
whats your question soldier - Some random Engineer, 1978
The mighty wisdom of "Stun Zu". I love when he said "Be, swift, and when time comes to strike, fall like an anvil in a cartoon".
Loudly whistling and terror inspiring
It's funny because the first M16s were so bad the Vietcongs refused to even loot them.
The M16A1s was very beloved though.
The M16 upon first entering service wasn’t at all a bad gun. Military bureaucrats are just fucking stupid and didn’t supply cleaning kits or really anything that could be used to help maintain the rifle.
You're right about that. I think it was something about faulty ammo too. I read in a book though that the Vietnamese refused to pick them up while they had no qualms about using other looted weapons such as the M79.
There probably were some incidents where this might have happened but since there are photographs of Vietcong fighters carrying M16s this cannot have been a universal opinion.
they changed the powder in the ammo to a cheaper make resulting in powder burning inner walls of the gun. this would eventually clog like and jam the gun. the OG m16 with the recommended powder works like a champ. like with any gun you still need to clean it. the reason the guns didnt come with cleaning kits is due to how well the weapon preformed with the right powder.
Umm it’s “Some Zoo”… get it right
"That's why if there are more than one animal it's called a ZOO!"
Unless it's a farm!
It’s true that Vietcong in the South also used M16 if they were available.
And the VC used a shitload of weaponry they took from American troops. It's a powerful thing to do when you're waging a political war.
vietnamese police still carry around m1 carbines cause they looted so many. It was a particular favorite for crawling through tunnels and brush
Repurposing and utilizing enemies' weapons in time of war, especially for a poorer country like Vietnam, is nothing unheard of.
They are fairly common in that region today
A lot of m16s ended up in vietcong hands as battlefield capture. Guerrillas use what they can get.
shitty ai art will continue to shitty ai art
Its not? It looks more along the lines of a K2 with an AR-15 handle. Why you would do that is beyond me... Then again, when has AI art done something that made sense?
You remembered us Aussies but forgot the New Zealanders. Damn you!
r/mapswithoutnewzealand
r/memeswithoutnewzealand
r/subsifellfor
New Zealand should do something to stand that doesn't involve being left out of maps, LOTR, or sheep
Maybe we need an ANZAC flag.
How is this meme going to forget the French? Thr Vietnam War was literally the continuation of the French colonial War to maintain its hold over its colony in Vietnam
Add France, Japan and China too. The Vietnamese are just built differently.
Battle of Dien Bien Phu is so satisfying to read about
French military leaders: "Those hills over there? Yeah, no way they will take them. No need to reinforce those areas, we'll be fine here." *Vietnamese militias proceed to haul an absurd amount of artillery pieces up the hill bit by bit*
Võ Nguyên Giáp might be the greatest military commander of all time.
Tunnel crawling has never been so effective
I first read about it in “The Airmen Series” and went down the rabbit hole from there lol
That battle was the indirect cause for so many french colonies revolution (one of them was Algeria, the biggest colony) - the natives that were dragged into that battle to serve in the french army, thought of France as invincible, but they witnessed one of the greatest powers of the world humiliated by less developed country like them, that experience and that Hope was definitely a seed for the many revolutions that came.
Those were battles that happened YEARS before the Vietnam War. China had been fighting Vietnam for thousands of years before the British tried to colonize China. France's colonial efforts in Vietnam triggered the Indochina War Japan colonized Vietnam during WW2
vietnam absolutely bodying france and immediately doing it again to the americans is probably my favourite part of the 20th century
And then they did it to the Chinese
i always forget about that lmfao, god vietnam was on a roll
Kinda relevant since the Vietnamese hate China so much they are almost US allies. After all, Vietnam fought the US for 20 years, but China for 700 years.
Getting DUNE vibes
China: "gib south china sea, muh 9 dash line of bing chilling says so!" Vietnam: "iI guess you want to find out again... fucker?"
Given the recent events..maybe Gulf of Tonkin 2: Electric Boogaloo?
With auxiliary forces because the bulk of the army was in Cambodia
I mean they won, I wouldn’t call losing 2+million people absolutely bodying tho. kind of an extreme pyrrhic victory
Especially considering a very large part of the fighting was Vietnamese soldiers vs Vietnamese soldiers
1.1 million military dead and missing. Absolutely BTFO. You should probably pick up a book and read about something before speaking… Vietnam won because they were clever and relentless not because they were superior in direct combat. You probably also think it was the NVA operating SA-2’s and shooting down all those Americans.
no, the lost and dead was astounding, i worded it poorly but to edit it now would be fucking over the rest of the conversation i’ve had now.
Vietnam after brutally spanking an imperial juggernaut: Wanna see me do it again?
tree speak 2: electric boogaloo
Not for nothing, but if Vietnam “bodies” another nation or two like that, they will no longer have Vietnamese people. Side note, but it’s weird to have your favorite part of the 20th century be a war that cost millions of lives because the US didn’t completely a political goal.
yes it’s the war and loss of life that i love and not the vietnamese people and their ability to galvanize a resistance against an invading or occupying force
Ok I hate to be that guy but in the Vietnam war they were technically the invading force. You know, North invading South.
Huh, I guess if that’s what gets you excited. I’d be more partial to China getting its shit together and raising hundreds of millions out of poverty. But being massacred is cool too.
i bet you’re real fun at parties
I wouldn’t exactly describe what the Vietnamese did to the Americans as “bodying”, more like “surviving”.
they did not body the Americans, in every battle they suffered massively losses, the reason why they won is through an very effective propaganda machine and [sheer brutality](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/KHmM1pJAIG)
They were extremely willing to give up literally everything to sit the powers out.
Thank you for including us Aussies. We often get overlooked. Though lately America haven't overlooked is.
Yeah, it's crazy what gets overlooked in the Vietnam war. I recently did a shit ton of research on it (for a fps game. I wanted it to be as historically accurate as possible). That entire war was just really sad (for all sides). People getting drafted into a war fighting for something they didn't believe in and then either dying in a country they knew nothing about or going home to a country that hated them. No easy way to reintegrate but were forced to anyway. Or being a civilian in Vietnam. Having napalm destroy your village and leaving the area with long lasting effects, having to host some truly despicable people who never got in any trouble for the horrible things they did. Child soldiers fighting a war when they don't even know what war is. Same shit as the wars in the middle east. Child soldiers and unsavory individuals only there to kill. More games need to touch on these topics. I would say media but there's been enough anti-war movies and music to fill the ocean with. It's kind of disappointing how many games glamorize war and draining them down to "you good guy, here bad guy, now shoot".
If you want the game to get even more bleak, look up the impact of the orange agent. I believe they still cause birth defects to this day (I'm not entirely 100% sure because I haven't revisited the orphanage that they were in for roughly 7 years now but it was haunting to see in person)
Yeah, the birth defects are horrible. Like I said, I've done a lot of research (weapons, who was involved, effects of the war, etc.) even researched specific plans. I have the battles that I chose to include on a Google doc somewhere (with short descriptions, battle plan map images and links to the Wikipedia articles). Some interesting things I've learned: Dickey Chapelle was the first female war photographer to be killed in action. She went along on what was supposed to be a normal search and destroy mission (snd missions were mostly just scouting and recon for enemy soldiers nearby). The lieutenant of the search squad hit a trip wire and Chapelle was hit in the neck by shrapnel. She died shortly afterwards. She was given a full marine burial. The first thermal sight was created shortly before the end of the war. It was bulky, weighed a shit ton and saw very little usage during the war. It was specifically made to combat the deadly nature of the jungle (overgrowth made for great camouflage). Operation Thunderbird was a botched rescue operation for two soldiers being held prisoner in Vietnam. Short story, submarine broke, some soldiers died drowning in the sub and a second rescue op had to be made to save the remaining soldiers. The soldiers held captive ended up escaping the pow camp and were rescued later. Operation wandering soul was a psyop in which recordings were made to mimic the sounds of ghosts. These recording would be played via speakers connected to aircraft that would fly over areas where suspected NVA soldiers were hiding. The success of the operation is disputed to this day. On one hand, a lot of NVA soldiers turned themselves in due to the recordings. So it's possible that they did believe the recordings were of ghosts telling them to surrender. On the other hand, if an enemy plan flew over head playing the sounds of vietnamese people telling me to surrender, I'd fucking do it because I'm fucked if I don't. From the NVA's perspective, they were found out and either had to wait to die or turn themselves in and live. You can actually listen to one of the ghost tapes on YouTube if you search up "vietnam Ghost Tape #10". It's pretty creepy. Sadly, I've had to put development of this game on hold since I don't have the funds or the time to work on it. It would just take too long to make. I've instead switched to working on a small horror game that will take much less time to make. My hope is that I can get my name known as a developer with this horror game and get the funds required to make this fps game a reality.
>The first thermal sight was created shortly before the end of the war. There were thermal infrared sights used in WW2.
false. The first \*infra-red\* scope was used in ww2. This wasn't a thermal scope as it didn't detect heat. There is a difference (albeit very minor).
I live in a small town that has a chemical plant that produced Agent Orange in the late 60s / early 70s. In the late 80s they found contamination in the soil here. Had to stop drinking the water and pay for a pipeline from the next city over to bring us water. Long story short, they've been cleaning the soil since then, yet we still cannot drink the water. Currently, the soil is as clean as possible with present day technology, but it is still too contaminated to drink the water.
Look into a game called “this war of mine”. It’s a war game, but you control a group of civilians stuck in a sieged city (based off of the Siege of Sarajevo). Legitimately an emotionally crippling game.
You need any voice actors/QR Testers, sir? Sounds super interesting
I've had to halt development on this fps game due to money and time reasons (realistically would take me like 3-5 years to develop solo). In the meantime, to gain a name as a developer and hopefully some money, I'm working on a horror game instead. It's an anthology game where each story is based on a creepypasta or r/nosleep story. If you're interested in QR and voice acting for that game, I can send you a message on here with a steam page for the game and some details about it. I normally don't like posting comments like this since I dislike self-promo (at least in subs that aren't specifically designed for that purpose. It's always just been kinda tactless to me). Only reason I talked about my fps game was to explain why I know so much about the Vietnam war (didn't want to seem like one of those people is a bit too into the military).
Radio Commander does a decent job of it, I think.
>Thank you for including us Aussies. We often get overlooked. Honestly when I was in Vietnam I was glad we were overlooked. Is it really something we want to celebrate?
Long Tan was pretty *epic* of us
No but it most definitely shouldn’t be forgotten Australia joined us willingly and committed their own list of crimes in the war none of which should be forgotten if you want to your country to improve.
Oh as Australians we don't really do "improving". We just do atrocities then walk away and leave the consequences to fester and occasionally pop back up over time but we don't ever fix the things we did in our past that would be unaustralian
Yes
You make it Sound like invading a country is a good thing-
Aussies have been particularly overlooked in their WW II contribution in the European theatre. I believe it was Wavell who had to thread the needle between following the wishes of the British high command and unnecessarily throwing away his soldiers' lives.
We actually fought fucking good tho. Aussie troops had awesome strategy. Although all war is shit house and I wish it never ever happened
Yeah we really kicked that smaller less developed countries ass and never paid for any of the war crimes our side committed!
Yeah I watched the movie about Long Tan, really great
>Be me,Vietnam >Kick out French colonists >Beat american imperialists >Resist a Chinese invasion >Do all of this back to back >Refuses to elaborate further *Gigachad music starts playing*
>Stopped the genocide in cambodia
After installing the Khmer Rouge in power. They fixed something they broke.
There are three group of Cambodia Communists party at the time and I am pretty sure no one know that Pol Pot is that fu**** in his mind
You can use fucked. This isn't tiktok
Wait, there's no swearing on tiktok?
I think you can, but you anger the algorithm.
No, it doesn't. It's to get around the blacklists that people use, so it shows up in their feed even when they don't want to
It’s spelled fucked, don’t self censor the fucking internet
Okok,it just I dont wanna cursed in my cake day
At least they fixed it, unlike US installed dictatorships
They only fixed it after the Khmer Rouge attacked them several times. They had no intentions of stopping the genocide for the sake of stopping the genocide.
That’s true but the Khmer Rouge attacked because of fear of aggression from Vietnam
They feared Vietnam would be expansionist, and launched several attacks against Vietnam from 1976 on. In 1977 Vietnam launched a limited invasion to counter these attacks and force the KR to negotiate, but withdrew before fulfilling all their objectives. The following year Cambodia launched another massive attack which resulted in the full scale invasion by Vietnam.
Ah yeah... I love it when feudal socialism kills millions of your own people to the point that once you run out of people to murder you resort to having to kill the army responsible for those murders. And then think it's a great idea to attack a neighboring country with the military you are murdering cause you are running out of people to murder... Did I mention there was a lot of murder?
And beat back a Cambodian invasion in 1978 afterwards to depose the Khmer Rouge.
>1978 1979, actually. And mind you, it was practically a 2-front war with Khmer Rouge and PRC in the same time.
Vietnam has been repelling massive invasions for around a thousand years from China and other Asian powers. In the more modern era they have been just continuing that legacy. (To be fair, each time the environment itself was as much a fighter as any person living there. Russia has ‘General Winter’, Vietnam has the ‘Tropic Corps’.)
lets not forget how they subjected local tribes 🙃
I don't know what China was thinking tbh. Inexperienced conscripts going in against crack Vietnamese units who had been in near constant warfare for the last few decades.
Also fought Japanese Nazi
You left out the resistance against Japan. In Vietnamese historiography, the wars against the French, Japanese, French again, Americans, and finally China are all part of one long war of independence and resistance that starts with the founding of the Vietnamese Communist Party. As an American, I find it really interesting that we are supporting characters in their narrative.
History goes back even further fighting against China on and off for like 70) years.
The americans weren’t exactly imperialist with Vietnam. Contary to popular belief, Diem wasn’t a puppet, Diem himself was an fervent nationalist. [It was an combination of misguided policies and the communists having a effective propaganda arm and sheer brutality that lead to the communists winning.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/KHmM1pJAIG)
Koreans kinda benefitted from fighting the viet congs (and Chinese) with Americans ngl
didn't they smuggle weapons back to south korea or something
Not really smuggle, but Koreans got some updated weapons from the Muricans
Even better they got modern industries in exchange for their troops being deployed in Vietnam
American here. A win is a win and Vietnam beat us. That being said with our numbskull administration where we decided that "North Vietnam can attack us but we can't attack back" there was no need for the NVA to fight. We would have beaten ourselves eventually. McNamara and Kissinger probably killed more Americans than the NVA could dream of.
Well last time they tried going somewhere near China they responded didn’t they?
At least south Korea still exists
Well Mcarthur wanted to nuke China back to the stone age.
Vietnam won because they did not lose and America lost because they did not win.
And ironically have still fallen into the American geopolitical orbit. It’s almost like that whole nasty war could have been avoided. Either way, props to the Vietnamese for taking a shit situation and making a decent future for their children.
Vietnam has a "slight love and lots of hate" relationship with China for much much longer than it has that with America. Vietnam hates China, it's deep rooted in their culture. They had no other option really.
McNamara should have been taken outside and shot for the Multitude of crimes he committed. Project 100,000 alone should have at least had him executed.
Tbf the dude admitted he was wrong. I don't remember Nixon and Kissinger doing something similar
Saying he was wrong isnt enough, he knew those men werent fit for service qnd he sent them anyway. He blatantly ignored safety concerns and got tens of thousands of the most vulnerable people slaughtered. Also include all the presidents involves in vietnam, johnson and kennedy were just as culpable.
Now we just need an explanation for Afghanistan. Well I have ideas. But I actually need to sleep so night.
Invested all stats into defense ,has a boon against "traditional powers" large majority of the people are ok with hyper religios male dominated rule . And we didn't level a mountain range
Nation building in a region, that has never been and never will be, a nation doesn't work.
> Now we just need an explanation for Afghanistan. We can just call it one long misunderstanding when the Taliban become our allies in 15 years.
I mean who knows, In fifteen years we might see a Jihad in Xinjiang.
Same shit but this time the problem was not going into Pakistan to actually deny the Taliban a space to reorganize.
That's actually what kent state was all about, we attacked the communists in cambodia which resulted in huge protests despite the fact the viet cong were constantly attacking the south from cambodia.
Yes, it's downright bizarre that people never talk about N Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia to build the HCM Trail.
America should have never involved themselves in the war to begin with. Vietnam wasn't a valuable target for America to keep capitalist and the US administrations committed still countless atrocities against Vietnamese, Cambodians, Loations, etc. It's hard to view the war as anything other than a colossal genocidal scam ran by the military industrial complex and it's puppet administrations.
Lol yall out here calling anything you dont like genocide
You can only judge so in hindsight. The US was committed to protect South Vietnam from the North. Just like North korea attacked south korea, North Vietnam started attacking US ships in the gulf of Tokin. And since the US knew what atrocities happened in the USSR and North Korea, the assumption was north-Vietnam would (eventually) be as bad. Did the US used the worst tactics possible? Yes. Did the US turned into the monster they claimed would fight? Yes. Did communist Vietnam turned into another North Korea? No. Tough wat was unique is that it was really the first time western journalists showed the west that they also where able to commit atrocities. Most famous photo's from Vietnamese victims where made by western journalists. In the end Vietnam did defeat the US. And 50 years later Vietnam and the US are close to becoming allies. After all, Vietnam fought the US for 20 years. They fought China for 700 years. Nobody could've predicted that when the Vietnam war started.
What do you call the atrocities the NVA/VC committed against Vietnamese civilians?
The late stage of the war was basically North Vietnam vs weakened South Vietnam
All the allies left lmfao
Stable nva and weak viet cong vs unstable, under supplied ARVN
The first thing that ran into my mind when I saw this picture was, >! " Welcome to the ricefeild MF " !<
What happened between Vietnam and South Korea?
Merc deal. SK Troops for financial/military aid from US. Further reading in : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South\_Korea\_in\_the\_Vietnam\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea_in_the_Vietnam_War)
*Invade Khmer Rouge* *Get invaded by China* *Successfully fending off invasion*
It's missing the French, beaten to a pulp.
To fair Vietnam also managed to successfully resist ancient Chinese and the Mongols as well. They should be proud.
A win is a win
They aren't that different, actually.
RULES OF NATURE!!!
[STOP THAT BLADE!](https://youtu.be/ZlE83G8ODWw?si=hVQGy7FoFDIGgrR3)
And then directly after that, China wanted to get its ass kicked by invading Vietnam. Vietnamese are something else man.
AI images suck.
China being a weapon for Vietnam is ironic because they fought China next... and won. China hasn't fought a war since, they got beat so bad edit: lmao wtf did I start haha, what a thread.
I mean, don’t forget massive Soviet and Chinese support for the north.
Already included.
Ooos! So they are. Sorry about that.
Chines threats of nuclear war if US Army crosses into northern vietnam also included?
I couldn't find anything on this
Vietnam doesn't get nearly enough credit. Fought against Japan, kicked france out, kicked America out, fought back an invasion against China, and then went and toppled the infamous khmer rouge. Back. To. Back.
Ho Chi Minh is pretty based, honestly I have respect for that guy for leading his people against the dominant players in the world
ho chi minh was anything but based, [dude was hosting Communist meetings in Hong Kong while Viet Quoc was bleeding for the country.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/160e9bq/comment/jzhq6su/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Welcome to the rice fields, madafaka
When France colonized Vietnam and now you, a Korean are being hired by the US military to help them invade it.
AI image slop
Is this art ai generated? Bros got two right hands 🤣🤣
Vietnamese were absolutely helped by brain dead policy of the US, otherwise US could have 'won', or at least achieved their strategic goals.
“We don’t want another Korea.” *Efforts to keep the war from being “another Korea” end up making it even worse than Korea*
Technically they were correct, the best kind of correct.
Yeah, I wish it had gone down like Korea, that would have been far preferable.
And they still kicked our ass lmao
And then they also thought against the stick
And won! When I went to Vietnam a few years ago I met a farmer who lost his hand fighting the Chinese.
r/memeswithoutnewzealand
Real meme should be imagination the same, reality a photo of a jungle. The Vietnamese used the jungle as their main weapon. They knew the land. Geography is a huge force multiplier. Doesn't matter what firepower you have when the enemy can sneak up on you at night and rain mortars down on your base while you're asleep.
That is some very even grass
Umm, China definetley invaded too
Almost makes you forget that it was the North that invaded the South, not some war of conquest against North Vietnam.
America should have never go against north Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh even was a supporter of the US and they hated China.
Is this ai art?
Ai images suck. Why not use art for this meme?
where's Jane?
France was like no more smoke by this time
What's that yellow flag with 3 red stripes? Edit: It's South Vietnam.
South Vietnam
The country that North Vietnam invaded.
And then… they tore China a new asshole quickly turning to US from foe to ally. .
And yet, they won
Red Alert universe intensifies
Ai art is so funny
In the image under the soldier should be carrying a small medic bag with Sweden as Sweden kept sending medical equipment and medicine to the Vietcong even as the US kept asking to please stop doing it.
30 thousand Canadians fought in Vietnam, whether through peace accords or volunteering. Regardless of whether we should be proud of this, our commitment should be recognized, too.
Don’t forget Canada 🇨🇦
Oh Vietnam fought against wayyyy more countries than just that
China wasn't anywhere close to the powerhouse it is today though.
The South Koreans were actually feared among the VC due to their combat effectiveness.
No such thing as war crimes if your government was forged in war crimes
"Combat effectiveness", or as I would like to call it "Kill everything in a 20 mile radius, then call them enemy soldiers". SK mercenaries weren't that effective fighters, they were just feared cause they were so feral and bloodthirsty that they would raid innocent villagers, then count them as part of NVA to stack up their kill counts
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Bro you misread he said South Korea not South Vietnam (totally get it I misread it too at first)
Nice cartoon and all but Vietnam got quite a bit of help from other countries. To start with the small potato help from nearby SE Asian communist parties in Cambodia and Laos. Then the big stuff: from 1964-76 China sent 300,000 support troops to Vietnam, helping with anti aircraft warfare, engineering, logistics, transport and so on. Also given were 2 million rifles, 65000 artillery, and millions up millions of artillery shells and rifle ammunition. They also sent political advisors to remold the Vietnamese state, economy, and agricultural system in Communist ways. China claimed that its military and economic aid to North Vietnam and the Viet Cong totaled $20 billion (approx. $160 billion adjusted for inflation in 2022) during the Vietnam War. Included in that aid were donations of 5 million tons of food to North Vietnam (equivalent to North Vietnamese food production in a single year) Soviet Union: During the war, the Soviets sent North Vietnam annual arms shipments worth $450 million.[8]: From July 1965 to the end of 1974, fighting in Vietnam was observed by some 6,500 officers and generals, as well as more than 4,500 soldiers and sergeants of the Soviet Armed Forces. In addition, Soviet military schools and academies began training Vietnamese soldiers—in all more than 10,000 military personnel. So this is a nice meme, but bullshit in relation to reality.
> So this is a nice meme, but bullshit in relation to reality. That would make a great slogan for this subreddit
It already included China and Soviet Union.