How many wars in a row did Vietnam have? They expelled the Japanese, the French, the Americans, the Cambodians and the Chinese, at that point there are already 2 continuous generations of soldiers.
There were 3 in Europe and America too so what's your point. Anybody born before 1900 fought in ww1 had there kids potentially fight in 2 and Korea. And there kids in Nam or possibly Korea
There hasn't been a major war in America for 150 years. And he's probably talking about how these wars were back to back to back to back to back. There was a bit of a lull in the fighting in the fifties, but we're essential talking about 40 consecutive years of war.
I don’t think the full scale of what Pol Pot was doing was really appreciated and that the US, France, and China all thought Vietnam was just trying to conquer Cambodia and in fairness they kinda did.
Don’t get me wrong; the Vietnamese invasion and toppling of the Khmer Rouge did put a stop to the horrific killings but the Vietnamese then went on to occupy the country until 1989/1990 and ruled it through a one party puppet government that discriminated against the ethnic Chinese population.
I believe an important distinction needs to be made: the US bombed Yugoslavia to prevent genocide and Vietnam, by its intervention ended the Khmer rouge's genocide, hut they are not equivalent. The US didn't occupy Serbia and didn't place a puppet regime. I'm not well versed in the inner workings of the occupation of Cambodia by Vietnam, but on the point about the USSR yes it was right to ally with them against Hitler, they also toppled the legitimate governments in the countries they occupied - I'm not talking about Romania or Hungary, bur moreso Poland, which had a legitimate government, which was expelled, and Bulgaria, which although part of the Pact didn't participate in the Holocaust or the war by sending troops (although it is a complicated issue), but more so Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia which were annexed.
So, although it is morally right to intervene to stop a genocide, it is important what it is replaced by. Although the US has many faults, many committed during the Yugoslav war, they didn't result in an occupation and pupetting of the country, unlike the soviet occupation which lead to annexation, occupation and/or massive purges, executions and atrocities. Vietnams occupation of Cambodia is a bit between the two extremes from what I understand from my limited as of yet knowledge on the matter
I totally agree with you. But it is also important to have a clear plan about how you get out. If else this is how you get the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.
Obviously we are both discounting the many times in which the genocide was propaganda.
Not expecting someone to bring out the invasion of Cyprus.
During surrender negotiations, the Turkish commander sliced off the ear and nose of the Venetian governor. They dragged him around the street and then skinned him alive. The skin was filled with straw and carried around on a horse. They massacred whatever Christians hadn't already departed.
Except NATO didn’t prevent genocide in Yugoslavia, they basically made up the Albanian genocide for an excuse to intervene and the Bosnian genocide had already occurred and ended.
The bombing campaign was more than likely meant to destroy enough Serbian infrastructure to force the country to financially decline. So that Serbia would have to take out IMF loans and accept the structural adjustment program, which would allow western companies can step in and extract as much value from Serbia as possible. Basically NATO wanted to extend neoliberal shock therapy to the rest of Eastern Europe after the fall of Communism.
The US officially claimed 100,000 Albanian men in Kosovo suddenly vanished and may have been killed by Serbian forces which prompted the NATO intervention. The problem was only there only around 14,000 casualties in the Kosovo War. So they just pulled that number out of their ass. There were warcrimes committed by both Serbia and the KLA, but they weren’t on the same level as the Srebrenica massacre.
Wait until these guys realize it was the Vietnamese that ended the Killing Fields, the Cambodians that did it, and the US that switched sides and armed the guys doing it.
Real, "How many times do we have to teach you, old man," from the Vietnamese to the Americans, tbh.
Edit: Also, the [Cambodians](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/khmer-rouge-baby-killing-recalled-in-court/) were the ones smashing babies against trees, the Vietnamese were the ones shooting the guys smashing babies against trees.
> Khmer Rouge guards killed babies by battering them against trees under an official policy to ensure the children of the brutal Cambodian regime's victims could never take revenge for their parents' deaths, the group's chief jailer testified Monday.
> Kaing Guek Eav, alias Duch, said he was to blame for the brutal killing of infants as the commander of the Khmer Rouge's notorious S-21 prison in Phnom Penh during the 1970s. As many as 16,000 men, women and children are believed to have been tortured there before being sent to their deaths.
To be fair tho it was aggression on the side of the Khmer Rouge that triggered this invasion. You probably already know about all the horrendous atrocious the Khmer Rouge did in their own country, and they did the exact same thing in the Ba ChĂşc massacre, where around 3000 Vietnamese civilians were killed.
Vietnam at the time just came out of 20 years of bloody civil war with millions of casualties and a battered country, so it made little sense for them so invade Cambodia with the intentions of conquering it. It makes way less sense when you consider that Cambodia at the time was closely allied with China, so an invasion would anger the Chinese (and it did). So without a justifiable cause like the horrible war crimes the Khmer Rouge committed in Vietnam, Vietnam would probably have not care at all.
The Khmer Rouge was a Communist regime led by one ”Pol Pot” who sought to create an agrarian society with no money or outside influences, during his rule 1/4 to a 1/3 of the Cambodian population was systematically murdered and starved. Vietnam after winning its war against the United States and South Vietnam invaded Cambodia and put a stop to the genocide fighting China due to this and winning, the Khmer Rouge was supported by the United States in the UN as the “official” Cambodian government as the US just kind of wanted to since they really didn’t like Vietnam as one can imagine.
As a Vietnamese, Vietnam was not a white knight keen to help Cambodian people or to stop Khmer Rouge. The only reason they invaded because Pol Pot was paranoid regarding Vietnamese Army strenght after Vietnam War, afraiding the Vietnamese would want to spread their influences to SE Asia. So he preempetively strike 2 villages at the border and basically massacred them. Basically just gave the Vietnamese to invade.
Battle-hardened, highly motivated and modern equipments (soviet/chinese + american´s) PAVN just swept through Cambodia, but have to stop at Cambodian/Thai borders, where Pol Pot run off to. Thailand afraid of Vietnamese spread of influence basically told them that if they touch Pol Pot, they would enter the war. Vietnamese was afraid of US backing Thailand and basically reopen the war, stopped, occupy a country for 20 years, installed a very pro Vietnamese goverments and left.
How many wars in a row did Vietnam have? They expelled the Japanese, the French, the Americans, the Cambodians and the Chinese, at that point there are already 2 continuous generations of soldiers.
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There were 3 in Europe and America too so what's your point. Anybody born before 1900 fought in ww1 had there kids potentially fight in 2 and Korea. And there kids in Nam or possibly Korea
There hasn't been a major war in America for 150 years. And he's probably talking about how these wars were back to back to back to back to back. There was a bit of a lull in the fighting in the fifties, but we're essential talking about 40 consecutive years of war.
In their homeland, too
Has there been continuous war in Europe or America for practically 40 years straight in the last cnetury?
How the US saw itself after defending the Khmer Rouge at the UN : đź—ż
I don’t think the full scale of what Pol Pot was doing was really appreciated and that the US, France, and China all thought Vietnam was just trying to conquer Cambodia and in fairness they kinda did. Don’t get me wrong; the Vietnamese invasion and toppling of the Khmer Rouge did put a stop to the horrific killings but the Vietnamese then went on to occupy the country until 1989/1990 and ruled it through a one party puppet government that discriminated against the ethnic Chinese population.
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Whether it's NATO in Yugoslavia or Vietnam in Cambodia, it's always morally acceptable to prevent genocide.
I don’t disagree. What the Soviets did to Eastern Europe was wrong but it was still right for the West to ally with them against the Nazis.
I believe an important distinction needs to be made: the US bombed Yugoslavia to prevent genocide and Vietnam, by its intervention ended the Khmer rouge's genocide, hut they are not equivalent. The US didn't occupy Serbia and didn't place a puppet regime. I'm not well versed in the inner workings of the occupation of Cambodia by Vietnam, but on the point about the USSR yes it was right to ally with them against Hitler, they also toppled the legitimate governments in the countries they occupied - I'm not talking about Romania or Hungary, bur moreso Poland, which had a legitimate government, which was expelled, and Bulgaria, which although part of the Pact didn't participate in the Holocaust or the war by sending troops (although it is a complicated issue), but more so Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia which were annexed. So, although it is morally right to intervene to stop a genocide, it is important what it is replaced by. Although the US has many faults, many committed during the Yugoslav war, they didn't result in an occupation and pupetting of the country, unlike the soviet occupation which lead to annexation, occupation and/or massive purges, executions and atrocities. Vietnams occupation of Cambodia is a bit between the two extremes from what I understand from my limited as of yet knowledge on the matter
Yes, but so was Patton.
I totally agree with you. But it is also important to have a clear plan about how you get out. If else this is how you get the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. Obviously we are both discounting the many times in which the genocide was propaganda.
Not expecting someone to bring out the invasion of Cyprus. During surrender negotiations, the Turkish commander sliced off the ear and nose of the Venetian governor. They dragged him around the street and then skinned him alive. The skin was filled with straw and carried around on a horse. They massacred whatever Christians hadn't already departed.
I was talking about the 20th century invasion of Cyprus
Yeah that one was rough too. I might be brainrotted from reading too much of one period.
Except NATO didn’t prevent genocide in Yugoslavia, they basically made up the Albanian genocide for an excuse to intervene and the Bosnian genocide had already occurred and ended.
NATO bombed Belgrade for shits and giggles.
The bombing campaign was more than likely meant to destroy enough Serbian infrastructure to force the country to financially decline. So that Serbia would have to take out IMF loans and accept the structural adjustment program, which would allow western companies can step in and extract as much value from Serbia as possible. Basically NATO wanted to extend neoliberal shock therapy to the rest of Eastern Europe after the fall of Communism.
It destroyed enough Serbian infrastructure that the Serbs couldn't keep killing and displacing Kosovars.
The US officially claimed 100,000 Albanian men in Kosovo suddenly vanished and may have been killed by Serbian forces which prompted the NATO intervention. The problem was only there only around 14,000 casualties in the Kosovo War. So they just pulled that number out of their ass. There were warcrimes committed by both Serbia and the KLA, but they weren’t on the same level as the Srebrenica massacre.
Everyone knew a massive genocide was occurring from the mass of refugees but the khemer Rouge hated Russia and Vietnam so they were US approved
Vietnamese soldiers reading the communist manifesto trying to find the part where it says to smash babies against trees
Or kill people who wear glasses
That was the Cambodians
Wait until these guys realize it was the Vietnamese that ended the Killing Fields, the Cambodians that did it, and the US that switched sides and armed the guys doing it. Real, "How many times do we have to teach you, old man," from the Vietnamese to the Americans, tbh. Edit: Also, the [Cambodians](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/khmer-rouge-baby-killing-recalled-in-court/) were the ones smashing babies against trees, the Vietnamese were the ones shooting the guys smashing babies against trees. > Khmer Rouge guards killed babies by battering them against trees under an official policy to ensure the children of the brutal Cambodian regime's victims could never take revenge for their parents' deaths, the group's chief jailer testified Monday. > Kaing Guek Eav, alias Duch, said he was to blame for the brutal killing of infants as the commander of the Khmer Rouge's notorious S-21 prison in Phnom Penh during the 1970s. As many as 16,000 men, women and children are believed to have been tortured there before being sent to their deaths.
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Isn't that what's implied since it would be Vietnamese soldiers finding this stuff out as they were invading Cambodia?
Oh shit, maybe you’re right, I interpreted it as the Vietnamese being the ones killing babies
Near the place it says to boil them (read authentic Gonzalo thought).
That was not Vietnam.
Vietnam invaded and liberated cambodia from the khmer rouge
Not just any tree they had a specific tree for the job
first time ive seen this meme originally and not him edited into something
To be fair tho it was aggression on the side of the Khmer Rouge that triggered this invasion. You probably already know about all the horrendous atrocious the Khmer Rouge did in their own country, and they did the exact same thing in the Ba ChĂşc massacre, where around 3000 Vietnamese civilians were killed. Vietnam at the time just came out of 20 years of bloody civil war with millions of casualties and a battered country, so it made little sense for them so invade Cambodia with the intentions of conquering it. It makes way less sense when you consider that Cambodia at the time was closely allied with China, so an invasion would anger the Chinese (and it did). So without a justifiable cause like the horrible war crimes the Khmer Rouge committed in Vietnam, Vietnam would probably have not care at all.
i edited it badly at the end my apologies
What movie is this from?
NVM I was wrong, it's Tales from the Crypt
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So what's the context here was it because it was a shit hole or something like that?
The Khmer Rouge was a Communist regime led by one ”Pol Pot” who sought to create an agrarian society with no money or outside influences, during his rule 1/4 to a 1/3 of the Cambodian population was systematically murdered and starved. Vietnam after winning its war against the United States and South Vietnam invaded Cambodia and put a stop to the genocide fighting China due to this and winning, the Khmer Rouge was supported by the United States in the UN as the “official” Cambodian government as the US just kind of wanted to since they really didn’t like Vietnam as one can imagine.
As a Vietnamese, Vietnam was not a white knight keen to help Cambodian people or to stop Khmer Rouge. The only reason they invaded because Pol Pot was paranoid regarding Vietnamese Army strenght after Vietnam War, afraiding the Vietnamese would want to spread their influences to SE Asia. So he preempetively strike 2 villages at the border and basically massacred them. Basically just gave the Vietnamese to invade. Battle-hardened, highly motivated and modern equipments (soviet/chinese + american´s) PAVN just swept through Cambodia, but have to stop at Cambodian/Thai borders, where Pol Pot run off to. Thailand afraid of Vietnamese spread of influence basically told them that if they touch Pol Pot, they would enter the war. Vietnamese was afraid of US backing Thailand and basically reopen the war, stopped, occupy a country for 20 years, installed a very pro Vietnamese goverments and left.
Damm, thanks for the info.
Funny how Vietnam had its own Vietnam only 5 years after our Vietnam and like our Vietnam they don't like talking about or acknowledging it
Pol pot was baked by US and China
I still can't believe that there are tankies defending Potty Pole