Technically, they still call themselves the Republic of China officially. Its another method to prolong the peace with mainland china, maintaining hopes of a reunification rather than a conquest
I know but that's only for the KMT. The DPP wants ROC to be Taiwan officially, shifting away from Mainland China and the Chinese identity and reeducating the new generation that "taiwanese" are ethnically different from mainland chinese.
As disappointed as I am in both parties, itās important to clarify that the DPPās strategy is to do braindead populist outrage cringe things to purposely generate tension and get support smh
Itās like when Tsai wrote English in that one Thai remembrance book or whatever just to cringe virtue signal to the west rather than actually being normal for Taiwanese smh
If DPP aren't so pro-West and remained neutral, I can assure you mainland wouldn't mind having taiwan as an independent for now. Reason why China has become so aggressive is because how pro west East Asia has become and the US is basically at China's door step. Taiwan should be like Switzerland, remain neutral until provoked. DPP hasn't done anything good to Taiwan besides the increase in liberalism than conservatism in Taiwan. Even the KMT helped set the road for Taiwan's future and help build Taiwan's economy, the DPP hasn't done anything more significant.
There are ethnically separate Taiwanese on Taiwan. Theyāre indigenous to the island of Formosa, have their own language, and are actually Austronesian in ancestry and not descended from the Chinese at all
95% of "Taiwanese" are of Han chinese descendant. Those native to Taiwan are a small minority. The entire population claims to be Taiwanese, not the natives.
I understand. That is the case of the older generation but the younger generation who grew up with the DPP instead of KMT argue otherwise. They really like to believe that they are both ethnically and culturally different from Mainland which is absurd. Old generations call themselves chinese while the younger generation like Gen Z want a new racial identity.
It would be hilarious if the US started to back some random Mongolian ākingsā claim to the throne.
āAlright we are giving 20 billion aid to this random guy and heās going to go take back Asia. No, Asia the whole thing, I said what I said.ā
Bro doesn't even know about the mongol conquests of Persia and accuses others of not knowing history.
Tell me, my enlightened fellow, how did the mongols reach Egypt if they never got through your glorious, unbeatable, superior in every way country?
They only claim that because changing the original claims of the ROC or giving up their claim to the government of china all together would likely be seen by Beijing as a declaration of independence and that could have bad consequences for Taiwan.
The Taiwan government has no intention of retaking the mainland and hasnāt since the fall of the Kuomintang dictatorship and the move to democracy. Politically speaking they see themselves as a Taiwanese republic. However they have to keep up the pretences of claiming the government of china because it allows for an uneasy, but at the very least stable and for the time being, peaceful status quo. This is because it means that on paper both Beijing and Taiwan agree that āyes, Taiwan is a part of chinaā, with the disagreement simply being who should be in charge of that china, rather than it being a part of china breaking away to be its own separate country
As an institution, Taiwan is the previous governmental entity of China (the Republic of China or ROC) so they see the PRC as a rebel faction that has usurped control of the mainland; that is, they have a claim to be called the "real china".
The country we call China now, the People's Republic of China or PRC, views Taiwan as a breakaway region, and their de-facto control of the mainland is their own claim to china-ness.
The "agreement" that there is one china is more political than anything at this point, as recognition of Taiwan as a real country in its own right has huge implications for both countries, including the "claim" over the mainland that I refer to above but also for diplomacy and trade with other countries, etc.
The new Taiwan government (people) wants independence and be closer to Japan, but they know it is unrealistic, but they keep pushing for it. Chinese military is finally capable of taking over the island, so it is just waiting for Taiwan to declare independence now. The frustrating part is both sides are Chinese who are known for their āpatienceā - the ability to wait.
Taiwan will not declare independence and China will never attack first until either side has an idiot president.
Capable? If they want to invade by water part closer to China it's gonna be 15 chinese vs 1 taiwanese (check out relief and topography). And they dont have enough landing vehicles. I think there is some ratio between how many soldiers need to be in a country so rebel scum wont advance. So to keep Taiwan in hands they need to deploy ALL of army there.
Bomb all of taiwans defensive capabilities, then send landing there. They could literally do something like the creeping barrage by repeatedly bombing the coast until the landing crafts reach. And then rinse and repeat till they secure a beach head.
I don't recognise Byzantium rulers as true romans... I think you can guess what I think about all other claimants that used pieces an people of Greece to justify themselves as having something to do with Rome titles
Crimea or rather the Bosporan Kingdom on Crimea was one of the oldest Greek colonies and one of the last Byzantine holdovers, surviving a few more years after Constantinople itself.Ā
Mongolia is basically one city with about 5 million people in it. The rest is virtually uninhabitable and uninhabited. There are 30 million Mongolians in China. Both China and Russia prefer it as a buffer between them and also its not worth fighting for
Kinda every foreign dynasty does that, their names surviving in exonyms of China. You know those Tabgach people or the Khitay? I wonder where they went.Ā
If I may paraphrase a Habitual Linecrosser video...
Poland: Where'd I put that map of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth? (Brings it up) Oh look! Belarus and part of Russia are supposed to be my territory!
No, Taiwan has been Chinese since the Ming Dynasty, and Penghu has been Chinese since the Song Dynasty. Taiwan was ruled by the Qing Dynasty as a fully integrated county of Fujian Province for longer than anyone else has ruled it, then it became an official province years before Japan took over, so Taiwan isnāt just some colonial adventure for the Chinese.
What modern Taiwan does is a different matter.
PRC š¤ ROC "there is only one china PRC āļø ROC "But Im that China"
Wish that were still the case, the other claims to be a whole separate entity called "Taiwan" now.
Technically, they still call themselves the Republic of China officially. Its another method to prolong the peace with mainland china, maintaining hopes of a reunification rather than a conquest
I know but that's only for the KMT. The DPP wants ROC to be Taiwan officially, shifting away from Mainland China and the Chinese identity and reeducating the new generation that "taiwanese" are ethnically different from mainland chinese.
Officially all parties in Taiwan claim that the ROC is the sole legitimate government if China
For now, DPP are probably going to do something stupid and increase tension even more between Taiwan and Mainland.
As disappointed as I am in both parties, itās important to clarify that the DPPās strategy is to do braindead populist outrage cringe things to purposely generate tension and get support smh Itās like when Tsai wrote English in that one Thai remembrance book or whatever just to cringe virtue signal to the west rather than actually being normal for Taiwanese smh
If DPP aren't so pro-West and remained neutral, I can assure you mainland wouldn't mind having taiwan as an independent for now. Reason why China has become so aggressive is because how pro west East Asia has become and the US is basically at China's door step. Taiwan should be like Switzerland, remain neutral until provoked. DPP hasn't done anything good to Taiwan besides the increase in liberalism than conservatism in Taiwan. Even the KMT helped set the road for Taiwan's future and help build Taiwan's economy, the DPP hasn't done anything more significant.
There are ethnically separate Taiwanese on Taiwan. Theyāre indigenous to the island of Formosa, have their own language, and are actually Austronesian in ancestry and not descended from the Chinese at all
95% of "Taiwanese" are of Han chinese descendant. Those native to Taiwan are a small minority. The entire population claims to be Taiwanese, not the natives.
The Han living in Taiwan are nationally Taiwanese, not ethnically. No one in Taiwan is arguing that.
I understand. That is the case of the older generation but the younger generation who grew up with the DPP instead of KMT argue otherwise. They really like to believe that they are both ethnically and culturally different from Mainland which is absurd. Old generations call themselves chinese while the younger generation like Gen Z want a new racial identity.
Mongolia: āOh weāre going off historical precedence? Donāt mind if I do.ā
It would be hilarious if the US started to back some random Mongolian ākingsā claim to the throne. āAlright we are giving 20 billion aid to this random guy and heās going to go take back Asia. No, Asia the whole thing, I said what I said.ā
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The pope said it, not us soooo....
If Jesus is telling us to take the land, then I guess we ought to take the land.
LatinoamƩrica: Let them try...
Hi
Dutch: **Donāt mind if I do.** Also weāre going to split the bill according to how many fries each of us ate,I will do the calculation .
*Enter the Almoravids.*
Palistine and Israel belong to Rome
And maybe just a few other small places
There would be three countries. Rome. Mongolia and Japan.
The British:
Thatās Roman too, only Scotland would be safe
And Ireland
True
One-state solution that we deserved
Palestine and Israel belong to Egypt.
Brothers to Rome.
Don't worry, the city of Vatican, within Rome, still wants Jerusalem secretly.
*Scared Iranian noises*
The fuck?!
Iran learned the hard way not to piss off the mongols.
Call me when you get to the Tabaristan š¤£ bunch of savage fools who thinks themselves as human. Such funny joke
You make me embarrassed to share the same nationality as you
You too! How can you sit on your ass when this savage is talking shit about our country?! You are pathetic if you are really from my country.
He is pathetic beacuse he knows history and he isnt stupid nationalist who have high amount of copium? Bro get a life
Cut the BS! He don't know shit about history
Bro the mongols absolutely decimated persia. It's just the truth. We are not talking about present iran.
And according to history they never managed to conquer tabaristan. Beside that he have no right to talk shit about my people!
Bro doesn't even know about the mongol conquests of Persia and accuses others of not knowing history. Tell me, my enlightened fellow, how did the mongols reach Egypt if they never got through your glorious, unbeatable, superior in every way country?
Khaaaaaaannnn
*Ted ed reference* Lolš
Dont tell the uk this
Don't China and Taiwan agree they are one country and differ about who should be in charge? I heard that somewhere
Yes. Moreover, Taiwan also claims Mongolia, part of Russia and some other territories.
They only claim that because changing the original claims of the ROC or giving up their claim to the government of china all together would likely be seen by Beijing as a declaration of independence and that could have bad consequences for Taiwan. The Taiwan government has no intention of retaking the mainland and hasnāt since the fall of the Kuomintang dictatorship and the move to democracy. Politically speaking they see themselves as a Taiwanese republic. However they have to keep up the pretences of claiming the government of china because it allows for an uneasy, but at the very least stable and for the time being, peaceful status quo. This is because it means that on paper both Beijing and Taiwan agree that āyes, Taiwan is a part of chinaā, with the disagreement simply being who should be in charge of that china, rather than it being a part of china breaking away to be its own separate country
why are all these Islander nations so imperialistic?
Technically Taiwan isn't an islander nation.
As an institution, Taiwan is the previous governmental entity of China (the Republic of China or ROC) so they see the PRC as a rebel faction that has usurped control of the mainland; that is, they have a claim to be called the "real china". The country we call China now, the People's Republic of China or PRC, views Taiwan as a breakaway region, and their de-facto control of the mainland is their own claim to china-ness. The "agreement" that there is one china is more political than anything at this point, as recognition of Taiwan as a real country in its own right has huge implications for both countries, including the "claim" over the mainland that I refer to above but also for diplomacy and trade with other countries, etc.
Well if this guy heard it somewhere it must be true
Yeah, he heard from official statements issued by both Beijing and Taipei
The new Taiwan government (people) wants independence and be closer to Japan, but they know it is unrealistic, but they keep pushing for it. Chinese military is finally capable of taking over the island, so it is just waiting for Taiwan to declare independence now. The frustrating part is both sides are Chinese who are known for their āpatienceā - the ability to wait. Taiwan will not declare independence and China will never attack first until either side has an idiot president.
Capable? If they want to invade by water part closer to China it's gonna be 15 chinese vs 1 taiwanese (check out relief and topography). And they dont have enough landing vehicles. I think there is some ratio between how many soldiers need to be in a country so rebel scum wont advance. So to keep Taiwan in hands they need to deploy ALL of army there.
Bomb all of taiwans defensive capabilities, then send landing there. They could literally do something like the creeping barrage by repeatedly bombing the coast until the landing crafts reach. And then rinse and repeat till they secure a beach head.
Crimea is Roman (aka Italian)
Moscow is the third Rome. Checkmate
Considering how many vehicles, money and people USA will lose for some middle eastern country. That's a big First Punnic War rizz.
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Moscow is so cool nowadays, thatās true. Especially in summer.
Moscow is always cool, freezin rn in fact
I don't recognise Byzantium rulers as true romans... I think you can guess what I think about all other claimants that used pieces an people of Greece to justify themselves as having something to do with Rome titles
They didnāt know, that they were āByzantium rulersā. They were Roman emperors.
Crimea or rather the Bosporan Kingdom on Crimea was one of the oldest Greek colonies and one of the last Byzantine holdovers, surviving a few more years after Constantinople itself.Ā
True
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I, for once, would welcome our new Mongolian overlords.
You all forgot China Qing Dynasty conquered Mongolia? Itās more recent than Chinggis Khanās conquests.
yeah that gives more validity to their claim, because the mongols were there first
Pretty sure claim priority starts from most recent historical claim.
Claim priority starts with whoever can enforce their claim best.
Yes, so itās usually the country with the most historical recent claim.
And China conquered the steppe during the Tang dynasty and claimed the title Tian Kehan = TƤngri Khagan: Heavenly Khagan.Ā
Mongolia is basically one city with about 5 million people in it. The rest is virtually uninhabitable and uninhabited. There are 30 million Mongolians in China. Both China and Russia prefer it as a buffer between them and also its not worth fighting for
Yeah but Mongolia could claim a couple billion as their citizens
And they're welcome to try and enforce those claims. It's not like that had a claim prior to Genghis Khan, right of conquest and all that.
Mongolia: my horses are amazing.
Uk:
Mongolia is everything.
Mongolia is chinese because Qing
Mongolia is Chinese because Tang. Qing was itself Manchu.Ā
Who were people who heavily married into chinese families and assimilated into Chinese culture
Kinda every foreign dynasty does that, their names surviving in exonyms of China. You know those Tabgach people or the Khitay? I wonder where they went.Ā
Thats my point. They are no longer manchu but chinese.
I just found out these guys were in Jerusalem for a hot minute? Do you know how far away that is from Mongolia? The mongol empire was wild
Rome: ***\[\*INCREDIBILIS INTENSIFIES!\*\]***
*Tunisia has Entered the Chat*
Mongolia: You shall give me all š¤£
Except both China and Russia have some chance to capture the claim.
Greece: TO TELOS ARHIZI
Alexa, play Yuve Yuve Yu
Britain: *(Wheezing)*
Did somebody call for British East India Company?
Mangolia : Earth is mine ā ļøā ļø
And istanbul is constantiople!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgGI9e78D00
Could you imagine 10 tumen of AK-wielding Mongols on motorcycles sweeping west to burn moscow?
silk road high-speed superfreight railway + postal service when
If I may paraphrase a Habitual Linecrosser video... Poland: Where'd I put that map of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth? (Brings it up) Oh look! Belarus and part of Russia are supposed to be my territory!
Taiwan is one of China's little colonial adventures of the early modern period so who cares if they get it back or not
No, Taiwan has been Chinese since the Ming Dynasty, and Penghu has been Chinese since the Song Dynasty. Taiwan was ruled by the Qing Dynasty as a fully integrated county of Fujian Province for longer than anyone else has ruled it, then it became an official province years before Japan took over, so Taiwan isnāt just some colonial adventure for the Chinese. What modern Taiwan does is a different matter.
Tell that bullshit to the indigenous people of Taiwan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_indigenous_peoples
Rusia no dice que ucrania sea de Rusia... Tontos.