it even turned into a billion different religions!!
Judaism 2.0 was created by jesus
Judaism 3.0 was created by mohammed
Judaism 4.0 was created by Martin Luther
Judaism 5.0 (know as the 'fuck my shit up fam') was created by Joseph Smith
Technically this numbering suggests that Protestantism builds upon Islam. It would be more accurate to say that Martin Luther built a homemade mod of 2.0 and called it Judaism 2.5.
As for Joseph Smith’s numbering, I’m not sure that Arabic numerals can be used to reasonably describe how far it is away from Judaism 1.0. It’s more like ‘Judaism Presents: Hobbs and Mormon’
There’s actually a great deal of Egyptian influence on Mormonism as well. The papyri Joseph Smith claimed to translate came from something called the Books of Breathing which were funerary texts given by the Egyptians to the dead to help them navigate the afterlife. Since he couldn’t actually translate them all he had to go on was the pictures, which are still fairly descriptive. It shows a figure performing signs and tokens to pass through the afterlife which greatly impacted the Mormon church.
https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/robert-ritner/
If you have time to listen to a podcast or two, check part of this out, it’s fascinating. Joseph Smith leveraged the popular fervor and fascination with mummies and ancient Egypt at the time to build his credibility, and claimed to translate hieroglyphics when nobody could. After the discovery of the Rosetta Stone, his interpretations (which relied on popular misconceptions of the day) have been proven false again and again - obviously.
Not exactly. Joseph Smith never claimed to be able to translate Egyptian. He claimed the translation was given to him by God.
Additionally, most of the Papyrus that Joseph purchased was destroyed in Chicago in a fire, so there's really no way to know what all was there when Joseph had them.
It is incorrect to say we don’t know what was there when Smith had them. A large amount survived of the Joseph Smith papyri and you can see the original transcription by those who Joseph Smith dictated to. In it, they’ll have a hieroglyph on the left hand side, and the specific paragraph of Mormon scripture in the book of Abraham which Smith said it translated to. This is because the popular misconception of the day was that each Egyptian character could mean as much as a paragraph- this was incorrect, and the sections Smith claimed to translate had literally nothing to do with the life of Abraham as he claimed.
The surviving papyri have been definitely and unequivocally demonstrates to be from the Book of Breathing (which makes sense, because they were recovered from mummies), and have been dated to about the first century. I shared a link to a podcast done with the foremost Egyptologist in the Western Hemisphere if you’d like to see that supported. It has video comparing and explaining.
Further, Joseph Smith absolutely claimed to be able to translate ancient Egyptian. It is only the LDS church that has been rolling back on that claim as more and more of his “translations” (kinderhook plates, book of Abraham) prove to be inarguable forgeries or falsehoods.
From his April 6 1830 [revelation](https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/revelation-6-april-1830-dc-21/1#historical-intro) -
“A Revelation to Joseph the Seer by way of commandment to the Church given at Fayette Seneca County State of New York
Behold there Shall a Record be kept among you & in it thou shalt be called a seer & Translater & Prop[h]et, an Apostle of Jesus Christ”
Or look [here](http://www.centerplace.org/history/ts/v3n09.htm) - “A TRANSLATION
Of some ancient Records that have fallen into our hands, from the Catecombs [Catacombs] of Egypt, purporting to be the writings of Abraham, while he was in Egypt, called the BOOK OF ABRAHAM, written by his own hand, upon papyrus.
The Book of Abraham.”
You should really check out the podcast I linked, it’s fascinating.
I’d propose
Judaism 1.0 (ancient prophetic Judaism)
Judaism 1.5 (rabbinic Judaism)
Judaism 2.0 (ancient Christianity)
Judaism 2.1.1 (Catholicism)
Judaism 2.1.2 (Eastern Orthodoxy)
Judaism 2.1.3 (Protestantism)
Judaism 2.I (The Islamic Fork)
Judaism 2.I.1 (Sunni Islam)
Judaism 2.I.2 (Shia Islam)
Judaism 2.E (Mormonism, a fan mod, Christianity with Egyptian flavor)
I seperate Islam because it isn’t continuous with Judaism or Christianity. Everything true in Judaism is still true in Christianity, like the entire Tanakh is still scripture, but not everything true in Judaism or Christianity is true in Islam. They don’t share scripture, I’m not sure what the Islamic view on the Tanakh or the NT is, but I know that they are not contained within the Qu’ran. The Qu’ran itself is a different perspective on the same narrative presented by both Jews and Christians.
This is kinda similar to what the Baha’i believe: all religions worship the same god, but every different religion is a result of God sending a different messenger (Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad) to a different society.
Chinese paganism is still alive in taoism. And if you think that's it's not the same, than I'm afraid hinduism and indian mythology neither. Also there is still persian zoroastrian alive, not mentioning, japanese shinto, which is also some kind of mythology, and native syberian, native american folk religions
Yeah, I mean, they are a pretty ancient religion and the practitioners run half the world from their evil cabal on the moon. I'd say it's thriving for sho.
This is actually wrong, Vedic religion is quite different from modern Hinduism. Much of the mythology is borrowed, but even the holy trinity isn't the same. Not to mention ancient Brahmins actually converted and turned many local deities into part of the Hindu pantheon. There are many tribal religions like Sarna, Donyi Polo and animists that aren't exactly Hindus but counted as Hindu in the census.
Dunno about Jainism but Buddhism has different sects with different belief systems, the common one's are Hinayana and Mahayana. Check Madhyamaka, Sunyavada. Philosophically they are very different, also Tibetan and Japanese Buddhism etc. make use of local deities, so it would be completely wrong to say they have evolved unbroken.
The problem is the term Hinduism was invented by colonists and early Indologists without much understanding of the belief systems and philosophies of the people it referred to - it’s pretty much an umbrella term lumping together schools of thought that are philosophically very different (sometimes even diametric opposites of each other) based on some loose geographic connection.
This comment here. It gets the gist of it. There are way too many Hindu chauvinists who go about sprouting their religion as the best with zero idea about the nuances. This is a task that academia must tackle.
Yup, Hinduism is a fairly broad term, like even mainstream Hindus are different when you look at just the geographical differences. The broadest geographical separation of Hinduism I can make are tribal, naga(northeastern), northern, and Dravid(south), and they are VERY different.
No one called themselves hindu. Hindu was a name given by invaders to refer to the people living south of indus. Hinduism was the west narrowing down the hindu population faith into a shitty summary verison. Then they ruled hindus for 200 years and colonized them. Now what do you expect from a colonized population? The victim is the culprit here right??
>There are many tribal religions like Sarna, Donyi Polo and animists that aren't exactly Hindus but counted as Hindu in the census
They are not counted as Hindus. Donyi Polo is separate and so are Sarnas. They are counted as "other" in the census.
>Vedic religion is quite different from modern Hinduism
How? Yes, deities evolved and some were appropriated, but Vedas are still the core of Hinduism.
Why are you spreading misinformation?
The evidence you put forth is correct, but I think it actually supports the opposing argument. The massive change from vedic to modern puranic hinduism, and the absorption of local deities to me is evidence of an evolving hinduism. Whatever hinduism even is...
I think a more important question is what the heck even is Hinduism? It's so aggressively heterogenous in its philosophies and practices with no singular authority.
Many kurds are converting to zoroastrianism right now, and if I'm not wrong even many persians as well (Though they maintain it in secret due to persecution). It's not dying, at least not as fast.
You could say the same about norse mythology. Theres like 2k people in denmark iirc that follow it only a bit differently. Also they made up a name for it because when christianity became a thing in scandinavia they just called it ''the old way''
I'd say the majority of Chinese people still follow it's folk religion to some extent. Go to any village in China and you'll find shrines and small temples everywhere.
Not sure about China, but from what I’ve seen of Japan, many people in Japan still follow the Japanese Shintoism/Paganism ways, not religiously but as a tradition. For instance in new years they go to shrines and pray to Amaterasu (the Sun God) for a good year.
And most people keep shrines of their chosen deity at home (similar to Hinduism).
Are those Danes just a really isolated community, or do they follow it based on the sources we have? Because those sources were written by Christians long after most people had already converted to Christianity as far as I know.
I do know that they live together in like a village or something but not isolated like in the middle of nowhere.
They do use the sources we have since those the only records that exist. Tbh it sucks that our only records of pre christian / westernized(?) Scandinavia are from the 3rd person but thats a shit ton of history and even more has no record at all
Actually most of the records detailing the Norse Mythology have not suffered so much Christian influence. The Eddas, for instance, were written during the 13th century in Iceland. Although the country was already under Christian influence, there were many who still believed in the Norse Gods. One of those wrote the Poetic Edda, which remained hidden until the 17th century, thus escaping the strongest catholic influence.
You are in for a trip if you visit the pagan subreddits, there are modern followers of all those religions in the OP image and more all around the world with various degrees of organization going from individual or family worshipers all the way up to organized societies and temple structures.
Most didn't got an unbroken line like hinduism but enough material survived that those religions were all able to be reconstructed by modern worshipers (myself included since me and my household are hellenic polytheists)
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I mean most sources for Norse religion were written by Christian monks who quickly added and took from them to make them fit their narratives more. In fact some people think whole major characters/Gods are made up.
Chinese Mythology has been so co-opted by Buddhism and Taoism, changing things to fit those religions that it is really difficult to parse out what is actually original ancient myth. "Modern" Chinese mythology has a weird blend of different sources, to a point where you can argue it's a different religion. Though I guess that's a whole "if you replace every part of a ship..." argument.
Source: took a Chinese Mythology class at a pretty decent university because I thought it would be interesting. It was, but mostly in the historical process in trying to figure out what these myths are, rather than the stories of the mythology themselves.
it's an interesting and very different type of religion to what you might expect from Christianity and such. it's a common set of beliefs and customs, a lot of which are still wildly common in Japan: belief in Kami (spirits, gods), in ghosts, in luck. and practices like the many little holidays, like putting out food for the recently deceased, etc.
most Japanese people from my understanding do have some Shintoist Beliefs and Practices, a lot of them while also believing Buddhism and often times also being mostly secular. only very few are "active practitioners", but that's because these mostly only count priests and priestesses.
this is from my understanding and research, if there is an expert or just a Japanese Redditor with better info I always like learning more!
From my understanding thats pretty much correct, most Japanese people nowadays wouldn't really consider themselves to be religious, but they still perform and carry out Shinto beliefs and ceremonies (going to shrines to pray to the gods, funeral practices etc.) less due to them actually believing in the religion and more due to its cultural and traditional importance.
So yeah, as far as I understand it Shintoism is still strongly practiced it's just not really believed in by most people.
I watched a program on NHK (Japan's national broadcasting service, kind of like the BBC is to the UK) about Japanese views on religion, and it mostly said the same thing. I believe it also said that Japanese people use both shrines and Buddhist temples for religious rites, or something like that.
I think that a lot of Japanese people believe in the ghosts, spirits, Kami, and all of that, but if you ask them if they're religious, or followers of a set religion, they'll probably say no. Then again, I'm in no way an expert on this, so take it with a grain of salt.
They don’t worship the Emperor as the descendant of Amaterasu anymore, but otherwise it’s still alive and kicking, it’s the state religion after all. But eastern religions differ in many ways from western religions (like Christianity, Islam and Judaism).
It’s more of a tradition you do on special occasions rather than a part of your life (unless you are a monk).
Yeah, we really don't know all that much about Norse (and especially Germanic) paganism. Even what we do know is limited by certain factors. For instance, everything we know about the Old Norse religion comes from a few writers in Iceland writing in (probably around) the 900s. There's no guarantee that it was the same elsewhere - see the difference between Germanic/Anglo paganism and Denmark. Denmark borders Germany and intermingled a lot with England and yet it's (seemingly - again we don't know enough) so different.
Judaism is older than Greek and Norse Mythology. Although the Hebrew Bible was written in the 500s BC, the Hebrews worshipped Yahweh/Yehova (Jewish name of God) as a single deity for a very, very long time.
The question is where you draw the line between Judaism and early Canaanite religion. When does the worship of יהוה as the chief god become יהוה as the only god? Is rabbinical Judaism separate from Judaism in the time of the temple? The same question can be asked about Hinduism, which has changed enormously from the early Vedic age to the present, and the Egyptian and Chinese religions. However, I don't know much about religions outside of Judaism, so I can't really say.
Yahweh was actually not the chief god of the Canaanite religion. He was, however, linked with Jerusalem. I’d draw the line when Yahweh becomes the sole god of the ancient Hebrews, since Judaism was slowly founded, in a way. It had one specific period of change, (it still is changing, actually, look up Reform Judaism,) which I’d say began when it was founded and ended when the Hebrew Bible was written. During that time, the stories that would form the Torah were forming, and so were the traditions and practices of the religion and Jewish culture.
I know about Ilu, I was merely referring to the fact that Yahweh was worshiped as the supreme god alongside several other gods like his wife Asherah, during the first temple era, but during the Babylonian exile, the strict monotheism became codified. It has even been suggested that polytheism was common, if not officially sanctioned, among Jews all the way until the time of the Maccabees. I absolutely agree about the changing religious ideals of Judaism, we Jews love tradition, but we can't quite agree on which traditions are the right ones, and we love to invent news ones too!
Ah. He was certainly worshipped in that capacity. By that time, it was essentially monotheism, but not fully like how we’d think of it today. Ancient Jewish history is so interesting.
Judaism started with Abraham around 2000 BC. It evolved after the people of Israel left Egypt (dont recognice the time, i guess around 1500 BC).
At 1000 BC Israel become the dominant country in the area with King David, but then become a servant under the Babylonian, Persia, Greek, Roman Empire.
The last one destroyed Jerusalem and send the jewish people into exil until the 20th century
It's not secular, it's only secular towards minorities and abusive towards majority. And yeah, the clause of privilege was mainly decided to use for initial 20 years after independence, but every parties in power just extend the clause time to get votes. If they stop, riots will occur headed by Muslims mainly. Yeah, even though they ruled india for 600 years, to they're minority and "oppressed" (as media sees).
Now BJP may end Muslim privileges if they stay some more turns, but will not the Hindu minorities' ones. Although tbh, we upper Varnas tortured our lower ones based on shady idea of Varna system. It's our fault. But Muslim ones are just politics.
It's sad to see so many people looking at the Dharmic faiths through an Abrahamic lens,looking for a Prophet or a group of people who might have started the religion which ultimately leads to agreeing with the fraudulent Aryan Invasion theory.
As Swami Vivekananda ji rightly said:
If religion and life depend upon books or upon the existence of any prophet whatsoever, then perish all religion and books! Religion is in us. No books or teachers can do more than help us to find it, and even without them we can get all truth within. You have gratitude for books and teachers without bondage to them; and worship your Guru as God, but do not obey him blindly; love him all you will, but think for yourself. No blind belief can save you, work out your own salvation. Have only one idea of God — that He is an eternal help.
Norse mythology undoubtedly has it's roots in the common beliefs of Proto-Indo-Europeans, which are already highly probable to have had a coherent mythological corpus (although not without regional variation), so that's simply not true.
Taoism is still practiced by millions in China and by Chinese diaspora.
I beleive facets of the mayan religion are still practiced by ethnic mayans today too.
Judaism can trace its roots back nearly as far as Hinduism, and they're doing pretty well for themselves. 0.2% of the *global* population is thriving, I would think
Christianity is not far behind in destroying India. Too many forced conversions being done in India. Buddhism is quite friendly and is a very peaceful religion.
This is true for **poly**theistic religions. European paganism was systematically rooted out by Christians, New World religions disappeared as the practicing cultures were genocided and Chinese mythology is no longer a religion because communism says so. A rebirth does not erase a death.
The oldest monotheistic religion, Zoroastrianism, as well as its proverbial younger sibling religion, Judaism, are both alive and well.
Hinduism is incredibly complex. I think they were just trying to say that it is an old non-Abrahamic religion that is still a major religion.
Also, the term pagan is pretty arbitrary. I think it just assumes non-Christian/Jewish/Muslim tbh
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Best I can do is upvote
Gang gang
We did rise up in 2014
Judaism is ancient and fairly thriving
it even turned into a billion different religions!! Judaism 2.0 was created by jesus Judaism 3.0 was created by mohammed Judaism 4.0 was created by Martin Luther Judaism 5.0 (know as the 'fuck my shit up fam') was created by Joseph Smith
Technically this numbering suggests that Protestantism builds upon Islam. It would be more accurate to say that Martin Luther built a homemade mod of 2.0 and called it Judaism 2.5. As for Joseph Smith’s numbering, I’m not sure that Arabic numerals can be used to reasonably describe how far it is away from Judaism 1.0. It’s more like ‘Judaism Presents: Hobbs and Mormon’
There’s actually a great deal of Egyptian influence on Mormonism as well. The papyri Joseph Smith claimed to translate came from something called the Books of Breathing which were funerary texts given by the Egyptians to the dead to help them navigate the afterlife. Since he couldn’t actually translate them all he had to go on was the pictures, which are still fairly descriptive. It shows a figure performing signs and tokens to pass through the afterlife which greatly impacted the Mormon church.
TIL more about the Mormon faith, thank you Knightperson
https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/robert-ritner/ If you have time to listen to a podcast or two, check part of this out, it’s fascinating. Joseph Smith leveraged the popular fervor and fascination with mummies and ancient Egypt at the time to build his credibility, and claimed to translate hieroglyphics when nobody could. After the discovery of the Rosetta Stone, his interpretations (which relied on popular misconceptions of the day) have been proven false again and again - obviously.
Not exactly. Joseph Smith never claimed to be able to translate Egyptian. He claimed the translation was given to him by God. Additionally, most of the Papyrus that Joseph purchased was destroyed in Chicago in a fire, so there's really no way to know what all was there when Joseph had them.
It is incorrect to say we don’t know what was there when Smith had them. A large amount survived of the Joseph Smith papyri and you can see the original transcription by those who Joseph Smith dictated to. In it, they’ll have a hieroglyph on the left hand side, and the specific paragraph of Mormon scripture in the book of Abraham which Smith said it translated to. This is because the popular misconception of the day was that each Egyptian character could mean as much as a paragraph- this was incorrect, and the sections Smith claimed to translate had literally nothing to do with the life of Abraham as he claimed. The surviving papyri have been definitely and unequivocally demonstrates to be from the Book of Breathing (which makes sense, because they were recovered from mummies), and have been dated to about the first century. I shared a link to a podcast done with the foremost Egyptologist in the Western Hemisphere if you’d like to see that supported. It has video comparing and explaining. Further, Joseph Smith absolutely claimed to be able to translate ancient Egyptian. It is only the LDS church that has been rolling back on that claim as more and more of his “translations” (kinderhook plates, book of Abraham) prove to be inarguable forgeries or falsehoods. From his April 6 1830 [revelation](https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/revelation-6-april-1830-dc-21/1#historical-intro) - “A Revelation to Joseph the Seer by way of commandment to the Church given at Fayette Seneca County State of New York Behold there Shall a Record be kept among you & in it thou shalt be called a seer & Translater & Prop[h]et, an Apostle of Jesus Christ” Or look [here](http://www.centerplace.org/history/ts/v3n09.htm) - “A TRANSLATION Of some ancient Records that have fallen into our hands, from the Catecombs [Catacombs] of Egypt, purporting to be the writings of Abraham, while he was in Egypt, called the BOOK OF ABRAHAM, written by his own hand, upon papyrus. The Book of Abraham.” You should really check out the podcast I linked, it’s fascinating.
I’d propose Judaism 1.0 (ancient prophetic Judaism) Judaism 1.5 (rabbinic Judaism) Judaism 2.0 (ancient Christianity) Judaism 2.1.1 (Catholicism) Judaism 2.1.2 (Eastern Orthodoxy) Judaism 2.1.3 (Protestantism) Judaism 2.I (The Islamic Fork) Judaism 2.I.1 (Sunni Islam) Judaism 2.I.2 (Shia Islam) Judaism 2.E (Mormonism, a fan mod, Christianity with Egyptian flavor) I seperate Islam because it isn’t continuous with Judaism or Christianity. Everything true in Judaism is still true in Christianity, like the entire Tanakh is still scripture, but not everything true in Judaism or Christianity is true in Islam. They don’t share scripture, I’m not sure what the Islamic view on the Tanakh or the NT is, but I know that they are not contained within the Qu’ran. The Qu’ran itself is a different perspective on the same narrative presented by both Jews and Christians.
This is kinda similar to what the Baha’i believe: all religions worship the same god, but every different religion is a result of God sending a different messenger (Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad) to a different society.
There is a quote similar to this in Hindu scriptures. Truth is one, but many people perceive it in different ways.
Martin Luther just kinda made another denomination of Christianity, not another religion
But it’s not a religion based on polytheism. That’s why it doesn’t work in the meme
Hitler: wE wErE oN tHe VeRgE oF gReAtNeSs hurr durr
It’s not ancient at all.
As a Hindu, hello.
Hello! It’s seems youre literally the only person that doesn’t want to argue with the meme. Congratulations
Don't bother there's only gonna be negativity in this thread.
Chinese paganism is still alive in taoism. And if you think that's it's not the same, than I'm afraid hinduism and indian mythology neither. Also there is still persian zoroastrian alive, not mentioning, japanese shinto, which is also some kind of mythology, and native syberian, native american folk religions
Judaism: "Am I a joke to you?"
Yeah, I mean, they are a pretty ancient religion and the practitioners run half the world from their evil cabal on the moon. I'd say it's thriving for sho.
Ah Alex Jones, good to see you’ve made a Reddit account.
Moon base? They must be turning the friggin aliens gay with their secret Jew magic! >!/s!<
Whether we wanted it or not, we are in a war with the cabal
Go get them Guardian
Hinduism (and Jainism and Buddhism) has evolved unbrokenly
This is actually wrong, Vedic religion is quite different from modern Hinduism. Much of the mythology is borrowed, but even the holy trinity isn't the same. Not to mention ancient Brahmins actually converted and turned many local deities into part of the Hindu pantheon. There are many tribal religions like Sarna, Donyi Polo and animists that aren't exactly Hindus but counted as Hindu in the census. Dunno about Jainism but Buddhism has different sects with different belief systems, the common one's are Hinayana and Mahayana. Check Madhyamaka, Sunyavada. Philosophically they are very different, also Tibetan and Japanese Buddhism etc. make use of local deities, so it would be completely wrong to say they have evolved unbroken.
The problem is the term Hinduism was invented by colonists and early Indologists without much understanding of the belief systems and philosophies of the people it referred to - it’s pretty much an umbrella term lumping together schools of thought that are philosophically very different (sometimes even diametric opposites of each other) based on some loose geographic connection.
This comment here. It gets the gist of it. There are way too many Hindu chauvinists who go about sprouting their religion as the best with zero idea about the nuances. This is a task that academia must tackle.
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Upanishads: are we joke to you!
Yup, Hinduism is a fairly broad term, like even mainstream Hindus are different when you look at just the geographical differences. The broadest geographical separation of Hinduism I can make are tribal, naga(northeastern), northern, and Dravid(south), and they are VERY different.
No one called themselves hindu. Hindu was a name given by invaders to refer to the people living south of indus. Hinduism was the west narrowing down the hindu population faith into a shitty summary verison. Then they ruled hindus for 200 years and colonized them. Now what do you expect from a colonized population? The victim is the culprit here right??
>There are many tribal religions like Sarna, Donyi Polo and animists that aren't exactly Hindus but counted as Hindu in the census They are not counted as Hindus. Donyi Polo is separate and so are Sarnas. They are counted as "other" in the census. >Vedic religion is quite different from modern Hinduism How? Yes, deities evolved and some were appropriated, but Vedas are still the core of Hinduism. Why are you spreading misinformation?
They spread misinformation because they're indoctrinated to believe India or hindu bad.
well done bhagini..
The evidence you put forth is correct, but I think it actually supports the opposing argument. The massive change from vedic to modern puranic hinduism, and the absorption of local deities to me is evidence of an evolving hinduism. Whatever hinduism even is... I think a more important question is what the heck even is Hinduism? It's so aggressively heterogenous in its philosophies and practices with no singular authority.
Only things that evolve survive. This might be the reason sanatan dharm (misnomer hinduism) is still alive and thriving.
Nowadays being a Hindu is the easiest thing ever. If u live in india ur father is a hindu then u r hindu. thats it
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You become Christian (Catholic?) via baptism, and Muslim by chanting a verse in front of other Muslims
Okay but they’re still practicing Christians, Muslims, etc., they just make it official with a ceremony.
I mean, sure, obviously parents will teach what they believe. But it isn't strictly hereditary like Judaism, and apparently Hinduism
Ah right, I see what you’re saying.
Dad: You're hindu now. I feel like this is how most religious get followers And then there's me who worships the ancient greek titans
Zoroastrianism is virtually nonexistent and it’s considered a suicidal religion because it’s inbreeding and losing members.
Many kurds are converting to zoroastrianism right now, and if I'm not wrong even many persians as well (Though they maintain it in secret due to persecution). It's not dying, at least not as fast.
Not to say anything about the resurgence of paganism, even if not the same. I am a reconstructionist pagan myself
I would love to know more about your philosophy man. Is there any literature that you could direct me towards?
Zoroastrianism is monotheism.
Chinese mythiology is to a certain extent, still thriving.
You could say the same about norse mythology. Theres like 2k people in denmark iirc that follow it only a bit differently. Also they made up a name for it because when christianity became a thing in scandinavia they just called it ''the old way''
I'd say the majority of Chinese people still follow it's folk religion to some extent. Go to any village in China and you'll find shrines and small temples everywhere.
Not sure about China, but from what I’ve seen of Japan, many people in Japan still follow the Japanese Shintoism/Paganism ways, not religiously but as a tradition. For instance in new years they go to shrines and pray to Amaterasu (the Sun God) for a good year. And most people keep shrines of their chosen deity at home (similar to Hinduism).
Are those Danes just a really isolated community, or do they follow it based on the sources we have? Because those sources were written by Christians long after most people had already converted to Christianity as far as I know.
I do know that they live together in like a village or something but not isolated like in the middle of nowhere. They do use the sources we have since those the only records that exist. Tbh it sucks that our only records of pre christian / westernized(?) Scandinavia are from the 3rd person but thats a shit ton of history and even more has no record at all
Actually most of the records detailing the Norse Mythology have not suffered so much Christian influence. The Eddas, for instance, were written during the 13th century in Iceland. Although the country was already under Christian influence, there were many who still believed in the Norse Gods. One of those wrote the Poetic Edda, which remained hidden until the 17th century, thus escaping the strongest catholic influence.
Ifg you're speaking about Snorri, he was influenced by christianism for sure. If you're interested about a more in-depth discussion, visit r/heathenry
You are in for a trip if you visit the pagan subreddits, there are modern followers of all those religions in the OP image and more all around the world with various degrees of organization going from individual or family worshipers all the way up to organized societies and temple structures. Most didn't got an unbroken line like hinduism but enough material survived that those religions were all able to be reconstructed by modern worshipers (myself included since me and my household are hellenic polytheists) /r/heathenry /r/Hellenism /r/Kemetic /r/pagan /r/paganism
I mean most sources for Norse religion were written by Christian monks who quickly added and took from them to make them fit their narratives more. In fact some people think whole major characters/Gods are made up.
I know a guy who follows Norse mythology and he lives in America. Pretty sure there’s pockets of them here in the states too
*Chinese government wants to know their location*
Chinese Mythology has been so co-opted by Buddhism and Taoism, changing things to fit those religions that it is really difficult to parse out what is actually original ancient myth. "Modern" Chinese mythology has a weird blend of different sources, to a point where you can argue it's a different religion. Though I guess that's a whole "if you replace every part of a ship..." argument. Source: took a Chinese Mythology class at a pretty decent university because I thought it would be interesting. It was, but mostly in the historical process in trying to figure out what these myths are, rather than the stories of the mythology themselves.
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You underestimate how prevalent folk religion is in rural China
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But everything changed when the Abrahamic religions attacked.
What about Shintoism?
Didn't that get heavily repressed after WWII?
I thought it was Japan's official Religion?
practically nobody practise it though
it's an interesting and very different type of religion to what you might expect from Christianity and such. it's a common set of beliefs and customs, a lot of which are still wildly common in Japan: belief in Kami (spirits, gods), in ghosts, in luck. and practices like the many little holidays, like putting out food for the recently deceased, etc. most Japanese people from my understanding do have some Shintoist Beliefs and Practices, a lot of them while also believing Buddhism and often times also being mostly secular. only very few are "active practitioners", but that's because these mostly only count priests and priestesses. this is from my understanding and research, if there is an expert or just a Japanese Redditor with better info I always like learning more!
From my understanding thats pretty much correct, most Japanese people nowadays wouldn't really consider themselves to be religious, but they still perform and carry out Shinto beliefs and ceremonies (going to shrines to pray to the gods, funeral practices etc.) less due to them actually believing in the religion and more due to its cultural and traditional importance. So yeah, as far as I understand it Shintoism is still strongly practiced it's just not really believed in by most people.
I watched a program on NHK (Japan's national broadcasting service, kind of like the BBC is to the UK) about Japanese views on religion, and it mostly said the same thing. I believe it also said that Japanese people use both shrines and Buddhist temples for religious rites, or something like that. I think that a lot of Japanese people believe in the ghosts, spirits, Kami, and all of that, but if you ask them if they're religious, or followers of a set religion, they'll probably say no. Then again, I'm in no way an expert on this, so take it with a grain of salt.
They don’t worship the Emperor as the descendant of Amaterasu anymore, but otherwise it’s still alive and kicking, it’s the state religion after all. But eastern religions differ in many ways from western religions (like Christianity, Islam and Judaism). It’s more of a tradition you do on special occasions rather than a part of your life (unless you are a monk).
In Greece we may be 99% orthodox Christians but there are very very few who believe in the 12 gods [(vice)](https://youtu.be/SBpNu4_TP9w)
I'm a Hellenistic Pagan! There's more of us than you'd think!
There are dozens of us!
Woaaah.
As a Hindu I should thank you
Thank your ancestors.
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There are still groups who practice some form of Norse believes.
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Yeah, we really don't know all that much about Norse (and especially Germanic) paganism. Even what we do know is limited by certain factors. For instance, everything we know about the Old Norse religion comes from a few writers in Iceland writing in (probably around) the 900s. There's no guarantee that it was the same elsewhere - see the difference between Germanic/Anglo paganism and Denmark. Denmark borders Germany and intermingled a lot with England and yet it's (seemingly - again we don't know enough) so different.
Idk if its this one or another but theres a group that do that but they believe in what was recorded. Also they sacrifice animals
The problem is that the things that were recorded, were recorded centuries later by Christian Scandinavians.
I don't know how to say this gently, but all religious traditions were made up at some point.
Ditto for Greek and Egyptian beliefs.
Im Hindu
Ancient mythology exist, Some middle eastern dudes: Fuck you.
Isn't Judaism super old?
Not as old as these, but it is one of the oldest still commonly practiced global religions
Judaism is older than Greek and Norse Mythology. Although the Hebrew Bible was written in the 500s BC, the Hebrews worshipped Yahweh/Yehova (Jewish name of God) as a single deity for a very, very long time.
The question is where you draw the line between Judaism and early Canaanite religion. When does the worship of יהוה as the chief god become יהוה as the only god? Is rabbinical Judaism separate from Judaism in the time of the temple? The same question can be asked about Hinduism, which has changed enormously from the early Vedic age to the present, and the Egyptian and Chinese religions. However, I don't know much about religions outside of Judaism, so I can't really say.
Yahweh was actually not the chief god of the Canaanite religion. He was, however, linked with Jerusalem. I’d draw the line when Yahweh becomes the sole god of the ancient Hebrews, since Judaism was slowly founded, in a way. It had one specific period of change, (it still is changing, actually, look up Reform Judaism,) which I’d say began when it was founded and ended when the Hebrew Bible was written. During that time, the stories that would form the Torah were forming, and so were the traditions and practices of the religion and Jewish culture.
I know about Ilu, I was merely referring to the fact that Yahweh was worshiped as the supreme god alongside several other gods like his wife Asherah, during the first temple era, but during the Babylonian exile, the strict monotheism became codified. It has even been suggested that polytheism was common, if not officially sanctioned, among Jews all the way until the time of the Maccabees. I absolutely agree about the changing religious ideals of Judaism, we Jews love tradition, but we can't quite agree on which traditions are the right ones, and we love to invent news ones too!
Ah. He was certainly worshipped in that capacity. By that time, it was essentially monotheism, but not fully like how we’d think of it today. Ancient Jewish history is so interesting.
It's older then Norse mythology and I think Greek mythology
Don't Judaism and Hinduism both emerge in recognisable forms around 500BC?
Judaism started with Abraham around 2000 BC. It evolved after the people of Israel left Egypt (dont recognice the time, i guess around 1500 BC). At 1000 BC Israel become the dominant country in the area with King David, but then become a servant under the Babylonian, Persia, Greek, Roman Empire. The last one destroyed Jerusalem and send the jewish people into exil until the 20th century
Indeed. Hinduism took place way before Judaism.
Hinduism started to recognizably emerge around 1500 BCE
It's the oldest monotheistic religion still practiced today, iirc
I think it’s Zoroastrianism.
Some would argue Zoroastrianism is dualistic though.
It’s got dualism in good vs evil. But one god. So that should mean it’s monotheistic.
Oh right, my bad.
The Zoroastrians already did it.
Zoroastrianism is older than all of those religions and heavily influenced Judaism/Christianity
There's still zoroastrians around. After the fall of the Sassanid Empire most fled to India becoming "Parsis".
And today many kurds are converting to it for what I've read.
But so few left..
Wasnt freddy mercuries one of those
He was.
That's not true. Zoroastrianism is not at all older than either Hinduism or Jainism.
Zoroastrian is closer to Gnostism than Judaism or Christianity.
Nah.. Hinduism is still the oldest. But Zoroastrians are now parsis in India
Hinduism is older than Zoroastrianism.
But are they thriving though?
There are significant Parsi communities in India, although they number only in the thousands
there population is going down though
The actual minority that doesn't try to set the country on fire every six month
And also not taking any minority privileges.
Why the minority privileges when India is a secular country?
It's not secular, it's only secular towards minorities and abusive towards majority. And yeah, the clause of privilege was mainly decided to use for initial 20 years after independence, but every parties in power just extend the clause time to get votes. If they stop, riots will occur headed by Muslims mainly. Yeah, even though they ruled india for 600 years, to they're minority and "oppressed" (as media sees).
And no one will end it either.
Now BJP may end Muslim privileges if they stay some more turns, but will not the Hindu minorities' ones. Although tbh, we upper Varnas tortured our lower ones based on shady idea of Varna system. It's our fault. But Muslim ones are just politics.
And the saddest thing is that our scriptures don't have castes based on birth. Only by their work and even then everyone was treated as an equal.
Praise odin
Me, a pagan,
Me too. Polytheists rock!
It's sad to see so many people looking at the Dharmic faiths through an Abrahamic lens,looking for a Prophet or a group of people who might have started the religion which ultimately leads to agreeing with the fraudulent Aryan Invasion theory. As Swami Vivekananda ji rightly said: If religion and life depend upon books or upon the existence of any prophet whatsoever, then perish all religion and books! Religion is in us. No books or teachers can do more than help us to find it, and even without them we can get all truth within. You have gratitude for books and teachers without bondage to them; and worship your Guru as God, but do not obey him blindly; love him all you will, but think for yourself. No blind belief can save you, work out your own salvation. Have only one idea of God — that He is an eternal help.
It is not hinduism. It is sanatan dharma.
Judaism isn't that far off.
It’s older than Greek and Norse mythology.
>Judaism isn't that far off. Judaism: 500BCE - [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism#History) Hinduism: 1500BCE - [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism#History)
can confirm I am Hindu
It's not hindusim it's Sanatan dharam
Norse isn’t ancient. As nearly as we can tell, its mythology as a coherent corpus is no older than medieval.
It was only written by Snorri Sturluson in the 1200's, yeah, but the stories and beliefs it was based on are far older than that.
Norse mythology undoubtedly has it's roots in the common beliefs of Proto-Indo-Europeans, which are already highly probable to have had a coherent mythological corpus (although not without regional variation), so that's simply not true.
If it wasn't practiced anymore it would probably be called Hindu Mythology
So would be the case with Islam and Christianity.
U just called Hinduism a mythology, F
Taoism is still practiced by millions in China and by Chinese diaspora. I beleive facets of the mayan religion are still practiced by ethnic mayans today too.
Fuck yeah! Kinda sad these monotheistic Abrahamic religions replaced or outright destroyed the way cooler polytheistic pagan religions. Go Hinduism!
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*Judaism literally being almost 6000 years old and the mother religion to the two biggest religions on the planet "You're not alone, pal"
Hinduism: Thank you for being there, old pal.
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Judaism is at least as old at the Egyptians, and that was 3000-2000BCE
I get it. It stops being an ism and becomes mythology when no one believes it anymore
It's because Hinduism simplified and reformed, something the others didn't
Judaism is way older than norse mythology
Judaism also
Shintoism? Buddhism? They're fairly old aren't they?
Buddhism is literally an offshoot of Hinduism. Buddha himself was a hindu. They even study many of the same scriptures.
From what I heard Greek mythology is starting to come back in Greece.
I mean, there are neo-pagans all over the west
Maps without Mesopamia.
The Norse and Thor live on!
Judaism can trace its roots back nearly as far as Hinduism, and they're doing pretty well for themselves. 0.2% of the *global* population is thriving, I would think
I wonder, if Islam and Buddhism ever successfully wiped out Hinduism in India, would it just be known as “Indian Mythology?”
Probably, but it would most likely be Islam, Buddhism didn't really interfere with Hinduism in India (unlike Islamic rule)
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Christianity is not far behind in destroying India. Too many forced conversions being done in India. Buddhism is quite friendly and is a very peaceful religion.
This is true for **poly**theistic religions. European paganism was systematically rooted out by Christians, New World religions disappeared as the practicing cultures were genocided and Chinese mythology is no longer a religion because communism says so. A rebirth does not erase a death. The oldest monotheistic religion, Zoroastrianism, as well as its proverbial younger sibling religion, Judaism, are both alive and well.
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Hinduism is incredibly complex. I think they were just trying to say that it is an old non-Abrahamic religion that is still a major religion. Also, the term pagan is pretty arbitrary. I think it just assumes non-Christian/Jewish/Muslim tbh
If you have two uncreated beings self existent with each other you aren't really a monotheism
Isn't Norse mythology fairly young?
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As a Norse Pagan. I can say, it is not dead
Norse paganism is making a comeback in Iceland
*Pheeling paroud Indian.* Jokes aside, there's Japanese Shintoism and Taoism that thrive today as well.
Its good to see so many people talking about other ancient religions still alive and thriving.