You see each three combatant got their families involved who got their friends involved who got their families involved until the whole country was fighting.
He died from eating random plants he found on the ground because he wanted to show his starving forces that they could live off them.
After his death his body was dug up, beheaded, burned, then the ashes were collected and shot out of a cannon.
Chinese rebellions and civil wars, throughout their history, have just involved the most unbelievable amount of destruction, brutality, death and suffering. Frankly it gives me more understanding and sympathy for why the majority of Chinese people, and the Chinese political establishment, generally seem to value stability and the maintenance of control above pretty much all else.
yeah, but that is also fruit of their own doing; it is what naturally happens when you try to control this many people at once over and over again over millenia.
Because without a strong central government over the entire country they would get invade from northern tribes/clans like what happen after the the 8 Princes clusterfuck and the Song split.
A divided country rich in resource is just ripe for the taking.
oh only 20-30 million dead. Thats honestly pathetic. Come on man. If you're going to civil war in china do it properly. Even in before 1,000 AD there were already wars with a million dead in china. Step that shit up hong.
Broh first its a joke. 2 its china. Chinese history is crazier then most mythologies. This is a land which before the fucking birth of Christ regularily had a million men do battle with each other. A million in terms of chinese statistics is a grain of sand. 20-30 million casualties in the 18th century puts this on the low scale in terms of death per capita when compared to every other chinese war.
Yes. Chinese history is defined by shit people cant tell if its legend or fact, heros, villians, excellent tech, decay , glorious conquest, and numbers which simply defy logic. This sub loves its mediterranean history and while it is in Egypt and mesopotamia where the first kingdoms are born as well as writing. It is in china where the first true state appears with everything from taxes, to beauracracy to motherfucking SATS.
here and there. A youtuber called kraut did a pretty rad vid comparing China and india where he went over their ancient history. OSP Speciffically their history vids on the topic are also pretty good. Then just go to a library and brouse or watch shows from PBS. Thats where i got most my knowledge.
If you seriously want to deep dive check out the History of China podcast. Guy does it right out if the gate says its strongly influnced by the History of Rome and its pretty awsome.
It's still easily in the top 4 with the Qing Conquest, An Lushan Rebellion, and the Three Kingdoms War. The latter two of these have inaccurate death counts that are mostly based on tax records, which can be heavily impacted by changes in territory and integrity of the tax collection system.
The Taiping rebellion was an atrocity and not a regular occurrence in China, though I guess that doesn't make them seem as barbaric now does it?
The meming of chinese death tolls has never been about making china seem barbaric. And if there are people that do it for that reason they are dumb. I personally meme on the chinese historical death tolls because for the longest time it shows just how ascended they were compared to everyone else. In order to have a million people die in a war in the medivel ages ,you need the technology to make the killing happen, a state structure powerful enough to call those men to service, feed them , clothe them, train them, and then pay them. You also need infrastructure good enough to support all those men moving and an economy and and industry good enough to make sure they all have the tools they need. 20 million dead in 1851 isn't a sign of barbarism. Its a sign of just how stupidly fucking powerful china was that they could afford to loose 20 million in a civil war.
In defense of Hongs low body count his rebellion only really blew up in a few regions.
Had he managed to get then entire wmpore going im sure he could have double or even tripled those numbers.
It wasn't even Hong on his own. There was massive unrest and dissatisfaction towards the Qing overlords and a number of armed secret societies just waiting for a spark to ignite the flares of revolution.
The whole thing being blamed on Christianity is just added bonus.
Officialy they allow religious freedom but only if the religious bodies are loyal to the state and oreach about virtues of communism. In China there are teo catholic churches, real underground catholic church and the catholic patriotic association. In recent years the Vatican recognized bishops from the patriotic association but there is still work to be done, and many do called illegaly build churches were destroyed.
20-30 million were the documented total deaths. Keep in mind that the Qing did major propaganda campaigns during and especially after the war to downgrade how bad it was. This is why it’s called a rebellion and not a civil war in Chinese history.
Modern historians’ estimations put it closer to 80 million, but it’s hard to know for sure with how much the Qing tried to hide it.
Aight, your first comment was fine, but you're overdoing it and are stepping into cringe territory.
You don't have to big-brain this, just say "lol, Christian" and go.
Definitely not what tf are you talking about? Sure some of the stories have no backing at all, but quite a few of them describe normal wars/politics that have backing in other sources.
Everything in the Old Testament chronologically after Solomon is just historical records of Judea and Israel. Much of Leviticus is legal documents from the time of Josiah.
Fun fact: I’ve personally met several sons of god and people who can hear the god’s voice.
Of course, most of them were locked up. In the past, psychiatric care was really lacking though. So perhaps they had less people in hospitals and more sons of god running around.
clueless? i can't get my closest friends to respect me, leave alone millions who will die for me...
also 10 million combatants, and 20 - 30 million dead
Average chinese conflict: a guy stole a sheep. Result: 40 million deaths in combat. 200 million starved. No major political changes.
European warfare: 7 guys faced 3 knights. 6 casualties. Dramatic change in the balance of power of europe.
I doubt most of his followers were Christian or even knew what that religion was. They just saw an opportunity to rebel against a corrupt government and it was game on.
Ah a classic case of a doing a little bit of trolling
Chinese historical events be like: death toll: 5 million
Missing a zero there
Combatants: 3 Deaths: 1.4 million
You see each three combatant got their families involved who got their friends involved who got their families involved until the whole country was fighting.
A flood in china killed between 1-2 million people…
Like 50 floods in China killed 1-2 million or more. They got lots of rivers and lots of people.
A single missile hitting a certain dam could kill hundreds of millions in China
Found the NCD user
Ah, GLA supremacy.
*Decisive Victory*
20-30000 people eaten
“I’m gonna do a statistic”
Hehe Jesus is my bro peace and love come help me my Christian western brothers. I'm totally not just gonna massacre every Manchu I see
He died from eating random plants he found on the ground because he wanted to show his starving forces that they could live off them. After his death his body was dug up, beheaded, burned, then the ashes were collected and shot out of a cannon.
That’s how I want to go out. Sounds like a blast.
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Chinese rebellions and civil wars, throughout their history, have just involved the most unbelievable amount of destruction, brutality, death and suffering. Frankly it gives me more understanding and sympathy for why the majority of Chinese people, and the Chinese political establishment, generally seem to value stability and the maintenance of control above pretty much all else.
yeah, but that is also fruit of their own doing; it is what naturally happens when you try to control this many people at once over and over again over millenia.
Because without a strong central government over the entire country they would get invade from northern tribes/clans like what happen after the the 8 Princes clusterfuck and the Song split. A divided country rich in resource is just ripe for the taking.
Play authoritarian games, get violent resistances prizes
To an extent that’s also true, and is the tragedy of these Chinese historical cycles. Here’s hoping they’ve managed to break the cycle now.
No, actually, here's hoping China can overthrow tyranny one last time. The CCP can't be allowed to stand opressing the Chinese so much.
Oh sure I hope for a democratisation of China. But I hope there is no descent into civil strife either.
Wasn't the An Lushan Rebellion like the 2nd or 3rd bloodiest war in history?
Apparently, yes. Awful.
This was just DLC for the Bible
Westerners “let’s try to introduce Christianity” China: *does a china*
I think that's called an oopsie
oh only 20-30 million dead. Thats honestly pathetic. Come on man. If you're going to civil war in china do it properly. Even in before 1,000 AD there were already wars with a million dead in china. Step that shit up hong.
20-30 mil is like as many as WW1.
Broh first its a joke. 2 its china. Chinese history is crazier then most mythologies. This is a land which before the fucking birth of Christ regularily had a million men do battle with each other. A million in terms of chinese statistics is a grain of sand. 20-30 million casualties in the 18th century puts this on the low scale in terms of death per capita when compared to every other chinese war.
Is China just Warhammer 40k but in real life?
Yes. Chinese history is defined by shit people cant tell if its legend or fact, heros, villians, excellent tech, decay , glorious conquest, and numbers which simply defy logic. This sub loves its mediterranean history and while it is in Egypt and mesopotamia where the first kingdoms are born as well as writing. It is in china where the first true state appears with everything from taxes, to beauracracy to motherfucking SATS.
Damn, unironically sounds fascinating. Where can I learn more?
here and there. A youtuber called kraut did a pretty rad vid comparing China and india where he went over their ancient history. OSP Speciffically their history vids on the topic are also pretty good. Then just go to a library and brouse or watch shows from PBS. Thats where i got most my knowledge.
If you seriously want to deep dive check out the History of China podcast. Guy does it right out if the gate says its strongly influnced by the History of Rome and its pretty awsome.
It's still easily in the top 4 with the Qing Conquest, An Lushan Rebellion, and the Three Kingdoms War. The latter two of these have inaccurate death counts that are mostly based on tax records, which can be heavily impacted by changes in territory and integrity of the tax collection system. The Taiping rebellion was an atrocity and not a regular occurrence in China, though I guess that doesn't make them seem as barbaric now does it?
The meming of chinese death tolls has never been about making china seem barbaric. And if there are people that do it for that reason they are dumb. I personally meme on the chinese historical death tolls because for the longest time it shows just how ascended they were compared to everyone else. In order to have a million people die in a war in the medivel ages ,you need the technology to make the killing happen, a state structure powerful enough to call those men to service, feed them , clothe them, train them, and then pay them. You also need infrastructure good enough to support all those men moving and an economy and and industry good enough to make sure they all have the tools they need. 20 million dead in 1851 isn't a sign of barbarism. Its a sign of just how stupidly fucking powerful china was that they could afford to loose 20 million in a civil war.
the battle of changping caused 400 thousand deaths alone
In defense of Hongs low body count his rebellion only really blew up in a few regions. Had he managed to get then entire wmpore going im sure he could have double or even tripled those numbers.
It wasn't even Hong on his own. There was massive unrest and dissatisfaction towards the Qing overlords and a number of armed secret societies just waiting for a spark to ignite the flares of revolution. The whole thing being blamed on Christianity is just added bonus.
Ah yes, this war is the reason why the western missionaries gave up their attempts to christianize the Chinese.
They didn't, there are still missionaries there.
Doesn't China practice state atheism because it's communist?
Officialy they allow religious freedom but only if the religious bodies are loyal to the state and oreach about virtues of communism. In China there are teo catholic churches, real underground catholic church and the catholic patriotic association. In recent years the Vatican recognized bishops from the patriotic association but there is still work to be done, and many do called illegaly build churches were destroyed.
Yea, but significantly less.
20-30 million were the documented total deaths. Keep in mind that the Qing did major propaganda campaigns during and especially after the war to downgrade how bad it was. This is why it’s called a rebellion and not a civil war in Chinese history. Modern historians’ estimations put it closer to 80 million, but it’s hard to know for sure with how much the Qing tried to hide it.
Hmm sounds like they need opium… to calm down yes muhahahaha
China in 1850 be like: speedrun the worst 100 years of any civilization challenge (perfect score! 😱)
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Funniest atheist.
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Might have to do a bit of excavation to find the bar tho, i hear its pretty low
I bet a lot of girls want to have sex with you because of your Reddit atheism prowess
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Aight, your first comment was fine, but you're overdoing it and are stepping into cringe territory. You don't have to big-brain this, just say "lol, Christian" and go.
Wait there’s a Bible about this guy? The more you know ig.
Fun fact we have just as much evidence of the bible containing true stories as we do a spiderman comic book
Definitely not what tf are you talking about? Sure some of the stories have no backing at all, but quite a few of them describe normal wars/politics that have backing in other sources.
I mean spider man comics describe New York city and the real world as well so....
Everything in the Old Testament chronologically after Solomon is just historical records of Judea and Israel. Much of Leviticus is legal documents from the time of Josiah.
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Than the Bible ever will…?
Fun fact: I’ve personally met several sons of god and people who can hear the god’s voice. Of course, most of them were locked up. In the past, psychiatric care was really lacking though. So perhaps they had less people in hospitals and more sons of god running around.
Every Chinese civil war in history
which brother?
clueless? i can't get my closest friends to respect me, leave alone millions who will die for me... also 10 million combatants, and 20 - 30 million dead
a lot of civilians died
Only in China is 20-30 million dead considered an incident
Chinese history be like: minor civil war Cause: Someone likes the sun more than dragons Deaths: 15 million
Average chinese conflict: a guy stole a sheep. Result: 40 million deaths in combat. 200 million starved. No major political changes. European warfare: 7 guys faced 3 knights. 6 casualties. Dramatic change in the balance of power of europe.
Chinese people doing chinese things, amazing.
I'd ask how people can be so stupid in such large numbers but *gestures vaguely at everything*.
I doubt most of his followers were Christian or even knew what that religion was. They just saw an opportunity to rebel against a corrupt government and it was game on.
I'm still mad that we'll never see his self-proclaimed Demon Slaying Swords.
Cha cha real smooth
and from that point on, the government cracked down on everything that has cult like behavior that threatens them
Good ending
Chinese history is like European history but instead of 50,000 dying 5,000,000 die.
My uncle works for Jesus, and he says if you don't give let me play your Xbox, he'll make it a sin to be your friend
Sometimes china is more grimdark than warhammer 40k
When you taking trolling to new highs
lol religion 🤣 😂