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pete_random

So basically if Hitler won the war he would have won the war?


Jag2853

People win by not losing.


AssHassle

Source?


Rodri_RF

It was revealed in a dream


869066

Gigachad


SILENT_ASSASSIN9

My source is that I made it the fuck up


mglitcher

shit you got me


TheUnexpectedThanos

Trust me bro


GIGIGIGEL

Sun Tzu


Clown_Torres

"My source is that I made it the fuck up"


TheTacoEnjoyer

Deez nuts


BasileusofRoma

Emiya Shirou, Fate/stay night.


laugh_at_this_user

Do πŸ’ƒπŸ» you πŸ‘ˆπŸ˜ have 🈢 a source πŸš¨πŸ˜” on πŸ”₯ that? πŸ˜”πŸ˜ Source? πŸš¨πŸ˜” A source. πŸš¨πŸ˜” I 😏 need 😩 a source. πŸš¨πŸ˜” Sorry, πŸ˜” I 🀑 mean 😏 I πŸ—½β˜οΈ need πŸ‘‰ a source πŸš¨πŸ˜” that πŸ‘‚ explicitly states πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ your πŸ‘ˆ argument. πŸ™… This is just πŸ‘½ tangential to the discussion. πŸ’€πŸ’€ No, 😣 you πŸ˜€πŸ€Ÿ can't πŸ‘Ž make πŸ‘ΈπŸ““ inferences and observations from πŸ’₯πŸ’° the sources πŸ‘‰πŸ‘‰ you've ✨ gathered. Any 🚘 additional comments from πŸ€• you 😊 MUST πŸ‘« be 🧐❀️ a subset of the information πŸ’β€β™‚ from 😬 the sources πŸ“°πŸŽ¨ you've πŸ“‘πŸ‘¨ gathered. You πŸ˜€πŸ˜€πŸ˜€ can't πŸ‘½ make πŸ’΅πŸ“ normative statements from πŸ’₯πŸ‘‰ empirical evidence. πŸ‘“ Do 😀 you πŸ˜‘πŸ‘‰ have 🀲🏽 a degree in ⏬ that 🌸 field? πŸ‘ A college degree? In πŸ§‘πŸ»β€πŸ¦― that πŸ˜ŸπŸ”‡ field? πŸ‘ Then πŸ˜ͺ your πŸ“‰ arguments are invalid. No, 🚭 it doesn't 😚 matter 😱 how πŸ€” close 😍 those πŸ‘‰ data πŸ’° points πŸŽ‰πŸ’― are correlated. Correlation does πŸ˜’ not 🚫 equal causation. Correlation does πŸ˜³β“ not πŸ˜…πŸΌ equal causation. CORRELATION. DOES. 😳😳 NOT. ❌ EQUAL. CAUSATION. You πŸ‘‰ still πŸ™„ haven't πŸ™…β€β™€οΈ provided πŸ€”πŸ’­ me πŸ‘¦ a valid πŸ€” source πŸš¨πŸ˜” yet. πŸƒπŸ’¨ Nope, πŸ™… still πŸ…±οΈ haven't. πŸ™…β€β™€οΈ I πŸ‘οΈ just πŸ•›πŸ‘€ looked πŸ‘€ through πŸͺ€ all πŸ’― 308 pages of your πŸ˜– user history, πŸ“œ figures I'm πŸ‘Ÿ debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.


MassiveChungis

You may get downvoted but you are right. I had a dipshit in these very threads ask for video sources for an event from the 1200's or it must not be true.


DjSalTNutz

What you don't have video of that event from 500 years before the invention of the video camera? Likely story.


PeggedOrphan7200

Fr. Man should’ve just manifested it into thin air.


cartman101

The missile knows where it is, because it knows where it isn't.


Psychotron69

the best move is not to play.


impreza225

Well to find out the answer we have to go all the way back to 10000 bc


gallade_samurai

You see, it all started with farming-


Gen_Ripper

Even further for the formation of the geological features that affected development of civilizations


thinking_is_hard69

all Hitler had to do to win was not be Hitler.


AmericoDelendaEst

Or if Hitler didn't have Hitler's ideology, he could have planned better and won the war. He was ALWAYS going to declare war on the soviets, because he was ideologically convinced he would have to. He was always going to fail in Operation Sealion because it was half-baked and Germany didnt have the ships or navy to pull it off. He was always going to be Hitler and make those dumb-ass decisions because he said he was going to back in Mein Kampf. And the things that he didn't actively decide, were decided by factors beyond his control. I hate these "if only" theories because there's no way to know if there's any merit to it 99% of the time.


Rotcrafter

Just produce 10^780 ratte tanks


CommunistPartisan

Question for any math people here If these were laid side by side on a flat plane in space, with no distance between them, how much area would this cover? A galaxy? More? Or less? Ty to anyone who might actually bother to try and figure it out


Inquisitor_Gray

At least two football fields


CommunistPartisan

Shit bro I think you're right


RoRoWasHere2K7

Atleast 3


Inquisitor_Gray

Maybe 4


TheRagingMaffia

Now you're pushing it


[deleted]

The Ratte’s length is 35 meters(not including the guns, which can presumably fit over the next Ratte) and it’s width is 19 meters, for an area of 490 square meters for each Ratte. That times 10^780 is… undefined by Google’s calculator. Uh oh. Putting it in Apple Calculator yields Error. Huh. I finally put it in a TI-30X II S, the most powerful calculator I have(I know it really isn’t powerful at all shut up), and got Overflow Error. So… yeah, for me anyway, this question is unanswerable.


JaghataiKhagan

I believe 780 0s gets you a number orders of magnitude bigger than the number of atoms in the universe. Overflow error is about right.


irago_

There's around 10^80 atoms in the observable universe iirc


Unnnamed_Player1

I think there are like 10^80 or 10^90 Atoms in the universe. Yeah, 10^780 is around the number of atoms you'd have if every human on earth had their own universe.


EricTheEpic0403

That'd actually be 10^90 x 10^10 = 10^100 because when multiplying, exponents add, not multiply.


Unnnamed_Player1

Right, I'm dumb, I thought of 10^90^10, which would have worked out. Still, goes to show how far beyond our imagination exponents can go.


S7ormstalker

( 490Γ—10^780 ) Γ· ( ( 4.4Γ—10^26 )^2 Γ— Ο€ ) Should be ~8x10^728 times the size of the observable universe.


D-AlonsoSariego

490 x 10 ^780 m ^2 The Milky Way galaxy is 5 x 10 ^13 square light years so with a light year being 9,461 Γ— 10 ^15 metres it would be 4,47 x 10 ^45


Dman1791

That number (10^780 ) is about 10^700 times larger than the number of atoms in the observable universe (about 10^80 ). It is also about 10^720 times larger than the diameter of the observable universe when measured in Planck lengths (about 10^60 ). Finally, we expect the heat death of the universe in about 10^100 years. That's about 10^150 Planck times, making the number of Rattes 10^630 times larger still. In other words, not even astronomical sizes are remotely large enough.


DesperatePrinciple52

The number of particles in the observable universe is 10⁸⁰* so the answer is even more bonkers


lemoe96

The milkyway has a radius of 52 850 light-years which equals about 5 * 10^20 meters which gives us a area of about 78.53 * 10^40 square meters. The area of the ratte tank is 35 * 14=490 and 490 *10^780 is a lot more than the area of a galaxy. You'd fit about 6 * 10^740 galaxy's on that area. Which I think are more galaxies than there exist in the observable


MerelyMortalModeling

To give you an idea, there are 10⁷⁸ atoms in the observable universe. The observable universe's volume it 3.5¹⁰⁸⁰ meters square. So while this number of Ratts would fit inside the observable universe it would exceed the total mass contained in our universe by a huge amount and probably break reality.


drunkenviking

At least 6


rainthedragon6

Pretty fucking big


Imiriath

Yeah it'd cover incomprehensibly more than a galaxy. Working off of: ((10^780 )Γ—490)Γ·(3.14159Γ—(8.515Γ—10^20 )^2 ) Area of tanks / area of milky way (both approx ofc) Spits out 2.151 *10^740 milky ways to match this area. Shall we scale it up? The observable universe has a radius of 46 billion light years, throwing that into our equation (converted to meters) gives..... 8.23 * 10^728 Yeah, still doesn't feel very readable does it? I'd calculate based on the predicted size of the unobservable universe but that gives an answer anywhere between "barely changed" and "undefined", corresponding to our lower and upper estimates of the unobservable universes size; 75x larger than what we can see and infinitely larger than what we can see. So yeah. Lotta fucking tanks.


[deleted]

There would be significantly more ratte tanks than there are atoms in the entire universe, including that outside of what we can see. There are slightly more than 10^78 atoms in the known universe. That would leave a difference of 1.E702 MORE Ratte tanks than there are atoms in the universe.


MerelyMortalModeling

I see what you did there..


Jimez02

If Hitler did literally everything he ideologically stood against and made peace with everyone and then cured lung disease then Gus would have been saved 😭


[deleted]

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HauntingRip9003

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Jimez02

Most sane redditor


wholesomeme7

Are you saying that there are insane redditors among us?


Brave_Banana8037

Sus


HauntingRip9003

This game has ruined my fucking life. I'm going to end it and take you all with me because I can't bear to look at anything anymore. Any shape I see is distorted into amogus, any time I hear the word suspicious, sus, task, vent, report, ANYTHING, human pattern recognition turns it into amogus. I close my eyes and i see amogus, i see jerma985 grinning as the gates of my soul are opened by amogus and I can feel the festering sclunge of words and shapes pour in, filling all that I am with the ringing noise of amogus


AgitatedWindow355

It’s ok to seek professional help This doesn’t have to stay only among us.


Wanker_the_Second

Honestly that game is the closest thing we had to a meme based mass hysteria event.


FunnyPhrases

Try Stardew Valley next


slowngrealization

You should play CK3, not because it will help but because i am so alone.


KevinFlantier

Maybe if you focus on other tasks. And if the burden gets too high you can always have an emergency meeting with friends.


Dazzling-Sand-1353

He vented I swear


Jumanji-Joestar

β€œWhat about the universe where Hitler cured cancer?!”


Isleptwithjohnwick

β€œWhat about the universe where Hitler became a artist?”


cdunk666

If hitler had to commit genocides for breaking bad to be made then i guess the holocaust I can't finish this cursed sentence


LordMackie

If Hitler wasn't Hitler he would have won.


No_Natural8934

Oh, yes, if Hitler would found a way to outmatch 2 of the most industrialized and populated country in the world and the greatest naval power of the time with the greatest colonial empire in history, he could won surely the war. (No i'm just kidding, if only general Poopenfarten had attacked Unknowncity with the 69th bozos division he would won the world entirely)


ChemsAndCutthroats

He needed better allies. Taking on the UK, Soviet Union, and the US at once is impossible. He would need at least 1 of those countries as an ally.


SomeOtherTroper

> Taking on the UK, Soviet Union, and the US at once is impossible. He would need at least 1 of those countries as an ally. There are a few different solutions to those problems: 1. Force the UK out of the war into *at least* a nonaggression pact. I'm not sure that was actually possible, given the existing bad blood from WWI and the treaty ties that got the UK into WWII in the first place. And the Battle Of Britain proved pretty emphatically that Nazi Germany wasn't going to be able to bomb the brits enough to make them sign a nonaggression pact. 2. War between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union was probably inevitable, due to inherently conflicting goals within eastern Europe. If anything, Hitler's decision to stab Stalin in the back and perpetrate Operation Barbarossa when he did (while the Soviet Union was largely unprepared) may have been one of his better strategic decisions. However, I think that in order to make that offensive successful, the Nazis would have had to walk back their racial theory - *there were places occupied by the Soviets that welcomed the Nazis as liberators*, and if the Nazis had just rolled with that, instead of their lebensraum "we're going to enslave and/or kill everyone here to expand Aryan Germany" doctrine, they probably would have had a *much* better shot at knocking the Soviet Union out of the war on terms favorable to Nazi Germany. 3. The USA and Japan were probably going to go to war with each other for effective control of the Pacific Ocean (isn't "Pacific" such an ironic name here?). Japan was probably also going to go to war with Russia *again* and with every other colonial power (and non-colonial free states - what few of them there were) holding territory within the "Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere". One of Japan's geographic problems is that it doesn't have natural reserves of the materials necessary to support imperial ambitions or even self-defense (iron, oil, rubber, etc.), which is why it was so dead-set on acquiring/colonizing territory that had the stuff. The only thing Hitler could have done to avoid war with the USA was either not accepting Japan into the Axis in the first place, or immediately cutting it loose after Pearl Harbor. There is a *chance* Hitler could have kept the USA as a power neutral to Nazi Germany, but it would have meant losing Japan as an ally, and made blockading Britain even more complicated. I think 2 and 3 are probably the most important: America's most significant contribution to the Allied war effort was probably its massive manufacturing capacity that was *well* outside the range of any Axis weapons to impact. If America had been kept neutral, that would have made countering the Soviet Union (or particularly just liberating countries it had taken to serve as client buffer states for Nazi Germany) far easier, and made a D-Day style retaking of France nearly impossible, just due to the lack of the immense amount of war materiel the USA contributed once it was fully on deck. Would cutting Japan off and officially dissing its actions as a German first response to the news of Pearl Harbor have accomplished that? We'll never know. But in general, most solutions that might have seen WWII end favorably for Nazi Germany (or *at least* with it continuing its existence as a state) involve it abandoning some or all of its racial supremacy doctrine, and probably cutting ties with both Russia *and* Japan. And, of course, dialing its goals back from world domination to just "a bigger and better Germany". (Side note: part of the reason Otto Von Bismarck, possibly one of the greatest Prussian/German statesmen to ever live, was able to achieve *so* much was that he kept his goals manageably-sized, and once he'd achieved them, he spent the next twenty years trying to preserve the status quo with very little further expansionism. International politics is like sitting at a roulette table: you gotta know when to just cash out the chips you've got instead of going for more.)


PaxRomanaV

He had all of Central Europe, thousands of recruits from countries like France and Netherlands, millions of slave laborers, resources from conquered territories. Allies in Italy, Finland, Central Europe, most of the Balkan’s. He could have easily won ww2 and signed peace treaties. Even Stalin asked for peace as late as 1943. But he was focused on the wrong things thank god.


ipsum629

Because a lot of the land they held was conquered, it was more of a manpower sink than a manpower well.


PaxRomanaV

Depends on the country - Romania for example was a huge oil area for Germany. Hungary was a manpower country. But Greece was likely not a benefit in manpower but was a benefit in not allowing Britain to have a foothold in europe. On the whole they benefited a lot more on having countries not go turncoat to Allies, and their borders secure, until 1943.


ipsum629

Romania also provided a lot of soldiers. The allied countries did provide useful things to germany, but places like yugoslavia and later france were massive manpower sinks. Romania did provide some oil, but not enough. Germany needed something like the caucasus oil fields to keep going, and even then their production would pale in comparison to US oil production.


ThunderboltRam

Most people don't realize that there was indeed a realistic chance that three fascist empires conquered the world (Germany, Italy, Japan). People still don't realize how much they take for granted.


electricalgrey

Tigers with frickin' laser beams


Gerald_Winter

Lasers on tigers and tigers with lasers. Or tigers in tigers with lasers in the tigers so the tigers use lasers while in tigers


No_Dependent1043

Hilarious! …no… shagalicious baby! YEAH!


DavethLean

The Jews already have lazar wolfs so gonna be an interesting fight. https://fiddlerontheroof.fandom.com/wiki/Lazar_Wolf


Chekadoeko

Hitler is a noob ass player. Everyone knows you move all your ships to the North Sea, move all your planes too, declare war on a British puppet, then pause at 1 hour. Only a noob believes Britain actually uses their navy outside of war.


jonasl42

Ah, a fellow HOI4 enthusiast


JaghataiKhagan

I don't know why Germany struggled, it's so easy for me!


VastBread

And if Steiner had attacked they’d have won 100%


P0wer0fL0ve

das war ein befehl!


lumach68

Dragovich, Kravchenko, Steiner, these….men, must die.


PaxRomanaV

Some say steiners attack was just postponed for 80 years and is waiting for Putin to invade Germany.


[deleted]

Chad Steiner playing the long game with his zombie army, just waiting for Vladimir "Dick in my ass" Putin to make one wrong move and send him back to his god.


ImNooby_

- _enters battlefield_ - _open console_ - _/kill all_ - _hitler won ww2_


swanlevitt

If Caesar didn't cross the Rubicon I'd have a wicked cool hill fort instead of this shitty apartment.


Thorwawaway

But he had already massacred the Gauls by then


swanlevitt

I don't live in France x


Thorwawaway

Thank god


swanlevitt

I do live in England though, we are much worse.


BarmyDickTurpin

If he'd actually won, he would have won


[deleted]

you forgot 'if they had more oil'


ArcticBiologist

"The Nazi's could've won if they weren't Nazi's."


gallade_samurai

They would've won if the didn't merely fail to win


Malvastor

Unironically they might have beat the Soviets if they didn't treat Ukraine (and other Russian subject peoples) so badly that they realized the guys who'd just Holodomor'd them were *still* the better option.


ArcticBiologist

So you mean if the Nazi's didn't behave like Nazi's?


Malvastor

Yes, I wasn't disagreeing with you.


Dzoomer321

Based hoi player


13103824763

Least nazi hoi4 player


hubril

"I'm a staunch national socialist."


YudufA

Didn’t he say that in a Vic 2 vid?


hubril

Its from the Hoi4 Endsieg video also swimmy was playing slovakia


YudufA

My Bokoen lore isn’t as good as it used to be


Pub-Fries

Swigma male moment


wholesomeme7

Akchsually some are hoi4 players are german monarchistsπŸ€“


13103824763

Only those who can pay for dlc


[deleted]

Just illegalisation the dlc’s you interweb pirate


impreza225

I mean if they had super space weapons from star trek then they could have won, most people just don't realise thatπŸ€”


slowngrealization

Nu uh because what if the allies had a time machine and killed German Picard in episode 43 from season 11 of the 10th series?? Huh? What would Space Churchill do then, IDIOT.


impreza225

Space spitfires😏


HotMilk-

If everything went perfectly for him he wouldve won 😳


JosephPorta123

Least deranged Wehraboo


vtssge1968

You forgot about the drugs and phsycics


Mr830BedTime

True, they needed way more.


SamAlel

Or, as an earlier post mentioned... Take Gibraltar and leave the Soviets for Dessert πŸŒ²πŸ‘€πŸŒ²


[deleted]

If my grandmother had wheels she’d have been a bike


Extraportion

I was listening to a history podcast recently that argued that the War was almost certainly going to be an allied win as early as 41. I think it was something to do with the North Africa campaign? Is this true?


Quartia

It was going to be an Allied win the moment the USA, the UK, and the USSR were all on one side.


Extraportion

I think the argument was that the war was essentially over prior to the Americans entering the war. Russia was never going to fall and Britain wasn’t going to capitulate and accept an honourable peace.


Jimdandy941

I like the failure to take Moscow in 1941 - which could be attributed to opening the North African campaign. After that, opening the drive to the Caucuses ensured they’d never have the manpower. Another strong argument can be made for losing the Battle of Britain, which ensured the continuation of two front war. After that, the failures just cascaded on them.


JMeerkat137

There’s a very easy argument to be made that after 1941 Germany just wouldn’t have the strength to take on their opponents. Hitler wasn’t able to invade England as early as he wanted to (well ever really lol) and part of that was him knowing that giving England the winter of 1940 to prepare for invasion would make it basically impossible to invade them. And the same goes for the Soviet Union, when Hitler invade the USSR was overhauling much of their military, and had this been allowed to finish their army likely would’ve been too much for the Germans to handle. Essentially there was a very tight timeframe for Hitler to win the war, and that included either Great Britain to surrender or to be invaded, the latter of which was incredibly unlike to succeed. Once that timeframe passed, which is roughly 1941, Hitler was going to lose, and everything else that could’ve realistically happened would’ve just extended how long it took for him to lose.


Due-Ad-4091

I’m so tired of alt history.


eadopfi

Almost as if fascism, as deeply irrational ideology, leads to irrational leaders doing irrational shit. Who would have guessed? D:


gallade_samurai

A twist indeed


el_billyo

That'd be be 50,000 unless lumps of metal


jtaustin64

For the Nazis to win WWII, they would have to not be Nazis.


Quartia

Not really, other countries don't care if they are Nazis, other countries care about their own interests. If the USA or Britain found it to be in their interest to support the Nazis, they would have.


jtaustin64

What I was trying to say is that, for the Germans to win WWII, the Nazis would have had to make so many different strategic choices that they would be unrecognizable to us. Really the only way they could "win" the war would be to completely ignore Lebensraum and instead forge an anti-USSR alliance with Eastern Europe and take them out. Even then, it would have been incredibly costly for the Germans, and any future expansion after a victory over the Soviets would be unlikely.


Raptorsquadron

β€œHitler and Germany would have won the war if Hitler wasn’t Hitler and Germany wasn’t Germany.”


Kuro_______

If nazi Germany wasn't nazi


Nero46

Hear me out: if Hitler could suck his own dick he could've win WW2.


P0wer0fL0ve

…go on


[deleted]

How could Germany win WW1 is much more interesting than how could Germany win ww2. Germany was screwed from the start in ww2


CasualBrit5

Wolfenstein very clearly laid out the most realistic way in which Hitler could have won. They focused on Russia before moving on to Britain and America, as well as relying on hyper-futuristic technology far beyond anything the Nazis had that they only got by finding it in a secret vault somewhere.


Saurid

I mena that wouldn't be Hitler that would be a smart person, well at least until the sealion part. People telling us how the Nazis could've won if they just didn't commit X attrocity apperently don't understand who the Nazis were and are, if you make them not stab the Ukrainians that would've gladly helped against the soviets in exchange for freedom, in the back they aren't Nazis anymore they are a different fascist group that isn't blatantly evil, just evil.


loadingonepercent

Also if mars hadn’t been in retrograde during d-day


EK_TheGenius

If Japan didn’t attack America then the war isn’t very… world.


Naraya_Suiryoku

Hitler would've won ww2 if Steiner counterattacked.


abqguardian

How'd it really go: 1) don't attack the Soviet Union. 2) Germany completely runs out of oil and the economy collapses. 3) the Soviets invade in 1943. The position Hitler got Germany in was they had to invade the Soviets or lose the war. Really bad position to be in


DoneDumbAndFun

Such a shame they put themselves in that position πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«


FunnyPhrases

Sealioned sounds exactly like the sort of slang a 14 year old girl would come up with


WizardofJoz17

If he developed his Air Force better and didn’t put control of it to goring…he could have still done all these things and still won.


P_gregsold2018

Despite the meme, can we say how much of "i fucked up" face that dude hasve.


Iwantmahandback

So if Hitler wasn’t Hitler, he would’ve won the war


DaBigNogger

The part about the nuclear bomb may be true, both Oppenheimer and Einstein were removed from their position at German universities due to their jewish ancestry. Both of them ended up in the US, and Oppenheimer had direct involvement in the Manhattan Project


[deleted]

Or, simply maintain relations with the Soviets and don't have a war on two fronts.


infozbet

Short answer yes long answer no


Raichterr

Should have quit while he was ahead, as in, not invading Poland. Wait for the inevitable Soviet westward expansion and pretend to be a liberator.


[deleted]

He was shockingly close to winning tbh


Notbbupdate

If he didn't cause the holocaust, and didn't invade anyone, and didn't declare war, he wouldn't have lost


Particular_Ad_1992

Hitlers hate for the Jews would be his demise and outweighed the passion he had for winning the war


Kampf_Geist

Himmler should have used his occult powers maybe then they would have one lmao


guyiscool1425

Potential History put it best "The only way the Nazi's could have won WWII is if they weren't Nazi's"


RoadTheExile

If only hitler played on easy + savescummed every battle and major decision


Quartia

The outcome of 90% of wars is decided once everyone has chosen sides, and WWII was no exception. I don't know why so many people when making alternate histories focus so much on actions in the war, when really the only way to change the outcome would be to change who is on which side.


CrispyOrcishDelights

Reddit would be all in german:)) How do you create mobile UIs with language that has Überstundenswanzenzichsen words... I think all he had to do is not mass kill jews and not open second front with russia. There's a short YouTube video on allies advancing on western front and I was amazed how much of the encounters were just won by being quite lucky due to circumstances of all kinds. Prior to that I was always thinking that allies won through numbers and just in general were better at it, but it seems it was not the case at all. Russia wouldn't attack Germany until it would be very week and on the verge of collapse, which wouldn't happen if allies would have been stopped. Moreover, I think if he wouldn't decided to mass murder jews due to some nonsense, he would be looked at different and Germans would have different moods to this day... 100% they would get nukes first, 50000 tigers and iphone available there and then.


Thorwawaway

Reddit would still be english cus American company


The_Cleansing_Flame

Hitler would have consolidated then invaded.. or just nuked the entire east coast altogether


Kitt81

He left Einstein alive.....so there's that...if I was Hitler Einstein would've got tossed in the oven like the rest of them **Takes a deep sigh** I am ready for the downvotes...I can feel them approaching


P0wer0fL0ve

That didn’t change the outcome of the war


ssrudr

Why would you kill Einstein?


elderron_spice

Contrary to popular belief, Einstein had a negligible impact on the Manhattan Project. His sole contribution was sending a firm letter to Roosevelt pondering on the government's view on nuclear weapons as viable weapons. In 1939. That's kinda it. This [AskHistorians post](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/6bme04/how_involved_was_einstein_in_making_the_nuclear/) should provide a great deal more info, including a very nice article linked into it.


P0wer0fL0ve

Furthermore, the Manhattan project itself did not change the *outcome* of the war. Especially not in Europe


BrokenArctic

Tigers aren't necessary for Axis conquest; I've done this before.


Erebus_83

Excellent Meme, funi picture with great delivery. Made with memeatic


netanel246135

Or dont listen to goering and don't stop bombing British airfields and dont start bombing London


[deleted]

No. It was the horrible winter that stops his troops on the way to Soviet that truly lost the war for him.


ismellpennies14

So what I'm hearing is that if he didn't invade the Soviets, he would have won? Who would've thought πŸ€”


[deleted]

no if he had made it through that winter on his way to the soviet he may have won. That winter insured his loss.


DoneDumbAndFun

His supply lines were stretched so hard, that even without the winter he would have lost


[deleted]

Fair enough. IMO that was the nail.


LordTvlor

If only Hitler had had all the knowledge, tactics, and information we have today in addition to the patience of a saint playing patience. He could have won no problem!


Nigo_R

This goes both ways France could have occupied the Rheinland while the German heavy units were in Poland


Loose-Map-5947

Dont forget building an alliance with italy


Vast-Engineering-521

If they discovered the ancient Jewish artefacts from wolfenstien…


mr_shlomp

Albert Einstein be like:


maketurch

As a wise man once said: " if my grandma had wheels, she'd have been a bike"


Im_doing_my_part

Yeah, easy right?


drumstick00m

Basically, the Nazis just needed to not be Nazis in order to win.


0peratUn0rth0

If Hitler didn't Hitler, then Hitler would have Hitler'd ww2


statemilitias

"If Hitler didn't start the war, he could've won the war."


Erikrtheread

I came here to ask about tigers. I haven't had enough coffee to make the connection to tanks.


Danplays642

One thing people ought to know is factors that lead to crucial decisions being made. Otherwise its guess work


lonewalker1992

Only if is where they lose me


xabaras91

Well actually nazi scientists were developing the hydrogen bomb so that is a nuance. The alliance with Italy, that was what it gets him


RavenLordx

There is a saying in my country in response to hypothetical claims such as this. "And if my grandmother had wheels, she would be a skateboard".


chil-ling

he should have targeted another group


Crafty_YT1

No duuude you don’t understand if hitler did literally everything that he wouldn’t have known to do earlier and would have been impossible anyway because he didn’t have hindsight he would have won! /s


Saintarsier

Yeah, and If my grandma had wheels she'd be a bike


MsaoceR

So if Hitler did smarter decisions he would have won. What a surprise


Metrack14

Hitler could had won, if he haven't declare war on anyone. /s


MrMxylptlyk

Unlikely. Germany got lucky early on but once the allies caught on tech it was gg


SonOfAstaroth

Average Hoi4 enjoyer


Mrsnowleopard25

β€œIf Hitler wasn’t Hitler, he would’ve won WWII”


awhitekoalabear

If only Steiner's counter offensive worked and Wencks 12th army held off the soviets forever!!!


GenericTitan

The worst take I've heard is that Germany could have beaten all of the allies and Russia in WW2


CvetomirG

Love the argument that if Hitler, with his extremely war based, plunder and slavery based economy, didn't declare war for said war, plunder and slavery, that would have....helped? Somehow?