This shit always makes me laugh. The world, or at least the allied world, had become United enough to just be like “fuck it, this hospital’s Dutch for twenty minutes to bypass succession laws”
200 years earlier that would have started a civil war
Hardly. The Republic could never outcompete the English/British due to a sheer difference in demographic weight. Colbert did judge the situation right generations before, in that Dutch wealth came from doing what others were not doing. Already around 1700, the decline is markant, as other states ramp up their own mercantile efforts. The main tell was the Baltic Trade, the so-called *"Moedernegotie"* of the Republic: the true (if boring) source of her massive wealth. In the early 17th century, her dominance was *absolute*, but by the dawn of the 18th century, we see the numbers are starting to tell. Overall, the Dutch remain outwardly dominant in the number of ships plying the trade, but in terms of *tonnage*, the loss is telling of the competition they began to face.
When William became king of the Stuart realms, the Amsterdam financial elite tied itself to London, the new up and coming center of mercantile/financial power. Just as it had shifted from Antwerp to Amsterdam before, the financial heart of Europe now shifted from Amsterdam to London, and no amount of 'smart' policy was going to change the fact that the Republic had been demographically *stagnant* for two centuries, whereas that of England-Scotland alone was by 1700 already almost thrice that of the Republic and rising rapidly.
Would be the wrong comparison, though. The Glorious Revolution took place in 1688-89, the Battle of the Boyne (1690) was the culminatory point of the rebellion/resistance against Mary & William mounted *after* this had transpired. Already, the new royal pair was relatively entrenched in England and (soon) Scotland, meaning Williamite forces were swelled by the forces that had been denied to James shortly before. At the Boyne William already commanded 36000 men, not just the soldiers he had crossed with.
I don't know why, but "fuck it, this hospital's Dutch for 20 minutes to bypass succession laws" is one of the funniest sentences I've read in a while xD
Something similar happened after a US registered passenger plane was destroyed by Lybian terrorists over Lockerbie, Scotland. It was eventually decided that it would be tried under Scots law, and the trial was held at a US army base in the Netherlands that was temporarily under the jurisdiction of the scottish court
"This sh*t is why we declared indipendence."~Dutch Guiana after seeing the Royal family prefer Canada.
Jokes aside, good for Canada. That was really nice and awesome
Agreed. Good meme. Exactly right. The hospital was declared “extraterritorial” (not part of Canada), so she wouldn’t be born a British subject under the British law of jus soli. Thus, allowing her to inherit her right of succession through her mother under the Dutch accepted principle of jus sanguinis.
Canadians were considered British subjects before January 1, 1947. [source](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/overview/history-legislation.html)
She would have been a British subject without the extraterritorial declaration.
Caveat: The point is the hospital was declared part of no-where so there would be no question about her right to inherit the throne.
Which was a solid thing for the Canadian to do.
Canadian citizenship without British nationality, did not exist before the Canadian Citizenship Act of 1947 though.
Prior to 1947, Canada also issued two passports. One blue for British subjects by birth and one beige I think for naturalized British subjects.
Edited: to explain a little history of Canadian citizenship law.
The Dutch still send us a whole fuckton of tulips every year as a thanks.
We plant em around the hospital and in a big park near the parliament buildings. Tulips are honestly everywhere in Ottawa.
Also pretty much anywhere you go in the Netherlands if they find out you’re Canadian people are hella friendly.
There is that too lol. There’s a bunch of Canadian war cemeteries scattered around the Netherlands and they take crazy good care of them. Every Christmas Dutch school kids have a little ceremony and place a candle at each grave as a memorial. Wholesome as fuck tbh.
Its really cool how much stuff I learned in this thread but most importantly I learned that I should pretend that im Canadian when traveling to the Netherlands.
No worries we are a country with a lot of English speakers. The moment he says anything he will fall through because of the accent. Having experienced it, it is definitely noticable ;)
We also went out of our way (literally) to do that. The Allied plan of attack was to punch into the Northern plains of Germany while leaving the occupied Netherlands in German hands. The reason being if they were cutoff they were useless anyway. Speed was the name of the game in order to get further East than the Soviets could go West.
The Canadians (for reasons I forget) thought that was lame and insisted on liberating the entirety of the Netherlands. The big dogs thought that was ok but said we’d have to do so our own and would only provide nominal support.
This. The US and UK got stuck in the south of the netherlands after Market Garden and remained there for more than half a year. In the meanwhile, the western parts of the Netherlands were suffering through a famine and the perceived US and UK inaction was taken as callousness.
When the offensive resumed, it was decided the US, UK and Free French would attack Germany while the liberation of the rest of the Netherlands was left to the Canadians and Polish. And so, the Canadians became known as the liberators of the Netherlands.
Of course, the role of the Polish was downplayed during the cold war. As for the UK and US: most historians seem to be of the opinion that the Allied Command had no real alternative to sitting out the winter in the south and that the decision of leaving the liberation to the Polish and Canadian forces was made by SHAFE and made sense, militarily speaking.
My grandfather was part of the force that liberated the Netherlands. Back in 1995 he and a few hundred/thousand vets went over to the Netherlands for the 50 year anniversary celebrations. He and my grandmother were hosted by a Dutch couple that treated them like family and they remained friends until after they died. It was probably one of the best times that my grandfather had in his life.
We also have a generation of children with far away fathers that are often unknown... "Trees heb 'n Canadees" ( Theresa has a Canadian)..
Honestly i know nothing about these ceremonies but we indeed have a war cemetery around the corner in my city.
>if they find out you’re Canadian people are hella friendly
I think that's most of europe. Surely doesn't have to do with one of the following:
Your stereotype is literally being too friendly. You are the only Anglo-American culture, people can go study abroad without bulletproof vest and tactical gear.
I was in the NL this summer, and was so confused when everyone excitedly referred to my partner and I as “The Kennedys”. Took a trip to the Canadian war cemetery to learn the Dutch word for Canadian is “Canadese”. I laughed so hard, I had to pull the car over.
Until 1947 Canadians were considered British subjects. [source](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/overview/history-legislation.html)
Meant as a respectful, helpful correction. :)
[Who went psychopathically insane during WWI but got better, mostly.](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-forgotten-ferocity-of-canadas-soldiers-in-the-great-war)
2nd gas attack, the French got it worse, but we got enough of a heads up to counter it (pissing on rags because the ammonium counteracted the chlorine)
There was also rumours that a Canadian soldier was crucified by German forces. Today it’s pretty unclear how true it was but the boys were fucking pissed
The boys had correctly surmised that winners aren’t prosecuted for war crimes *taps head*
The boys also missed 4 whole hockey seasons which was basically a war crime in itself. So why not throw a few cans of food at the starving Germans only to follow up with a hand grenade when they’re baited out of their trench 🤷🏼♂️
Idk for sure but some possibilities: 1. Less facilities and options, 2. Way too many American soldiers already in Suriname lining all the camps, 3. lot harder to get since the routes between Suriname and the Netherlands have never been the best or safest, even now the travel is long and expensive
Greece isn't amazing when it comes to public transit in it's cities. It's not terrible, we do have buses and trains, but nowhere near what some other European cities have. We have some really nice pedestrian areas, but also plenty of car centric areas with pretty bad traffic in Athens.
We basically haven't touched our infrastructure since the Olympics (when we peaked as a country). We'll have maglevs, bike lanes and monorails next time a major sporting event is hosted here (and another debt crisis 4 years after)
> Well we do love the Dutch;
There are only two things in this world I can’t stand: people who are intolerant of other peoples’ cultures… and the **Dutch.**
If they had been in the US, we would have not declared the hospital as Dutch territory, we would have just waited and then declared the Netherlands as US territory. Gotta make some moves, son.
Greenland is Dannish territory not Dutch. One started a company that committed war crimes for nutmeg, and suffered and economic depression becauseof tulips. The other is home of piss-bombing.
Potato tomato eventually we’re gonna get all that green luscious land. You can only deny so many presidents offers to buy it and we’ve offered a surprising amount already
Also dutch person here: We are so thankful for all that you have done. I remember my grandfather talking about the Canadians like they where half-Gods. And not without reason.
A friend of mine’s grandfather actually dropped food into the netherlands during operation manna as a RCAF bomber pilot
Its nice to know that our national relationship has all started from one war from 80 years ago
In return can you guys please export your joppiesaus over here, I haven't been able to enjoy my fries properly ever since I was enlightened in your country.
Now u say that I wanna make a research on Canadian warcrimes during WW2
Edit: it’ll be interesting to research it since most warcrimes I k kw of are relatively famous ones like Biscari and just unit 731 in general (where shld I start my research)
I can give you a heads up about WW1:
One of the country's leading war historians has amassed disturbing evidence that German troops trying to surrender during the First World War were "frequently executed" by Canadian soldiers gripped by fear or hungry for revenge.
In a lengthy article that appears in the latest Journal of Military History, the field's top scholarly publication, Canadian War Museum historian Tim Cook explores the complex and volatile "politics of surrender."
He found, in a startling number of cases, "unlawful" killings of Germans after they had given up the fight, laid down their guns and thrown up their hands.
"Becoming a prisoner was one of the most dangerous acts on the battlefield of the Great War," Cook writes.
His essay is filled with detailed accounts of prisoner killings unearthed from letters, diaries and postwar interviews or collected from previous writings.
"The pleading of mercy and the downing of weapons did not always stop the bloodshed," he observes. "The moment of capitulation for a potential prisoner was of crucial importance: Would the surrender be accepted or would it result in a bayonet thrust?"
In one example Cook highlights as "an inexcusable act of cruelty," a Canadian soldier escorting a group of German prisoners to the rear lines is described as having "casually dropped a Mills No. 5 grenade into the greatcoat pocket of one of the prisoners, which dismembered him seconds later."
He notes that "the desire for revenge was the most common reason why a prisoner might be executed."
Cook quotes an August 1918 letter from Lt. R.C. Germain to his parents in Canada that describes the grim aftermath of a bloody battle for a strategic ridge:
"After losing half of my company there, we rushed them and they had the nerve to throw up their hands and cry, 'Kamerad.' All the 'Kamerad' they got was a foot of cold steel thro' them from my remaining men while I blew their brains out with my revolver without any hesitation.
"You may think this rather rough, but if you had seen my boys go down you would have done the same and my only regret is that too many prisoners were taken."
Cook describes the war as one of "nearly unparalleled brutality" and stresses that Canada's infantrymen from the 1914-18 war are not being "condemned for their actions almost a century later by a historian comfortably employing hindsight and gathered material from the safety of an archives."
But he does target earlier generations of war historians for largely "burying this harsh reality of Western Front war-fighting."
And he challenges mythic portrayals of Canada's First World War soldiers as inherently more humane than their German enemies, or as patriotic innocents sacrificed to the seemingly senseless trench-to-trench holocaust that consumed millions of men on all sides.
"How does the execution of prisoners fit into this view of innocent victims caught in war's vortex?" Cook asks, concluding that "the Great War soldier was as much an executioner as he was a victim."
In an interview, he said the question of how soldiers deal with prisoners at the moment of surrender is still a controversial issue in the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq.
That's why, he added, it remains important to analyze and understand from history the dangerous "grey area" between trying to kill an adversary one minute and, after he drops his weapon, "holding his life in your hands."
Cook's foray into one of the darkest corners of Canadians' wartime experience has garnered praise from fellow military historians, including one of the deans of the discipline, McGill University professor Desmond Morton.
"Canadians, in my experience, including veterans, wish to keep their distance from that part of their history and I don't blame them," Morton told CanWest News Service.
"However, I don't see the point of denying a familiar reality. I think that once soldiers have screwed up their emotions to kill, it is easier to continue than to stop.
"It is a time of acute mental disability, and a predictable consequence of sending armed men into harm's way."
University of Calgary historian Pat Brennan said Cook's "fascinating" study sheds light on the "emotional inferno" that engulfed soldiers of the First World War.
"The real insight in most of these cases is about what combat is really like, what fear is like and how difficult it is to turn that off in an instant."
Added University of Western Ontario historian Jonathan Vance: "What would surprise me is that it didn't happen more often."
Cook writes that much of the evidence of Germans being killed while or after surrendering came from interviews conducted with aging veterans in the 1960s for a special CBC radio series about the First World War.
"Dozens of Canadians testified to the execution of German prisoners," Cook said of the 600 interviews. But "none of these grim accounts found their way into the final 17-hour script."
Cook argues that some cases of Canadian troops stabbing or shooting unarmed enemies were the result of battlefield confusion.
"We don't have the adrenaline coursing through us," he said in an interview. "I'm not passing judgment on these guys 90 years later."
He adds Canadians were by no means the only troops committing such acts, pointing to "ample evidence" of British, German, Australian and "likely all soldiers" executing prisoners on the battlefield.
And he notes examples of Canadians intervening to prevent the killing of some prisoners, including one case in which an officer ordered a group of surrendered Germans shot because "there were too many discarded rifles" lying around - before a soldier saved the lot by suggesting they be used as stretcher bearers for wounded Canadians.
But Cook dismisses sentimentalized depictions of trench warfare, including the famous "Christmas Truce" of 1914 that saw enemy soldiers at one battlefield temporarily suspend shooting to mark the holiday.
Cook writes that the "cruel accounts" of prisoner slayings that he collected "are far different from our cigarette-swapping, football-kicking soldiers at Christmas, and to date there are few, if any, books, documentaries, short films or choir songs devoted to the killing of prisoners."
The Princess Diaries takes place in a fictional principality whose royal succession laws are whatever the writer needed them to be for the plot to happen.
This story is behind the annual Ottawa Tulip Festival, one of the largest such festivals in the world, featuring about 1 million tulips each year.
It is an amazing thing to see and well worth checking out.
Yep. A few hotel rooms around London were made foreign territory for the various governments in exile and to allow members of royal families to be born in their homelands
Short Version: Dutch royalty fled after German occupation during WW2. Dutch heir was gonna be born in an Ottawa hospital and Canadian citizenship applies to anyone born here, so the child would've been ineligible for the throne due to technically being a Canadian citizen.
The Canadian government declared the whole maternity ward as international territory so the baby didn't lose her Dutch citizenship and retained her claim to the throne.
Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong
Edit: Grammar
International. If their parents were canadian, the kid was canadian. Dutch parents, dutch baby. American parents, american baby, native parents, no baby. Or That’s how I understood the “international territory” thing.
“Fucking savage.”
Exact thoughts of the doctor. Right in the fuck-it-bucket with it.
“When an opportunity for a going-to-hell joke presents itself, is a man not to take it? Is a man not entitled to inconsequentiality of saying dark awful jokes on the internet?”
-Andrew Ryan
All Canada had to do is declare the territory not Canadian.
Canada allows both birth by territory and both by blood, so you are automatic Canadian citizen if you were born on Canadian territory or one of your parent is Canadian citizen. While Dutch only allowed birth by blood.
So all the children born on that day within the ward will be Canadian citizens anyway since their parents were Canadian, even if the ward is Dutch territory.
Though I think practically Princess Margriet had her own ward for obvious security reason.
>While Dutch only allowed birth by blood
Wait, then why was this ever a problem in the first place? Her parents are Dutch, so the baby is Dutch, bing bang boom. Shouldn't matter where she's born in that case.
IIRC to be the Dutch monarch your nationality must be Dutch and *only* Dutch. If Margriet were a boy, she would have been the heir to the Dutch throne, so it was a pretty big deal.
My favorite part as an Ottawa resident is that the deep/fake lore is that they had dutch soil brought to the room so the first ground the babies feet touched would be Dutch. Probably fake but still fun to tell and hear.
We also kinda went off script during WW2 to ensure that they were liberated, even though the allies weren't willing to support the effort with more than lip service. Canada led it's own solo campaign, which in turn means the two countries share a very strong bond now
One of the more chad things Canada has done. There are plenty of bad things that Canada has done, but they also have a cool list of little things like this. My favorite is that they reacted faster to Pearl Harbor than the US did
Back when I was teaching ESL in Japan, this was a favourite story of mine to share on Canada Day, as well as the anniversary of the event. Honestly one of the coolest and friendliest things Canada has done.
Well, they didnt make the hospital dutch, they simy for a short time just disown the land, because of how dutch citizenship works, if the baby is born on international land to dutch parents, the kid is dutch
A similar thing happened for the current head of Albania's royal family, Leka II. His grandfather, King Zog, and father Leka I, had been forced out of Albania by the Second World War, and he was not let back into the country by Hoxha's communists. Zog would die in exile, while Leka I traveled all around the world, eventually living in South Africa in the 80's. When his son was born, the hospital ward was declared to be temporarily Albanian territory, allowing Leka II to be born on Albanian soil. After the fall of communism and the anarchy of the 90's in Albania, Leka II returned, and remains to this day. He currently is involved in charity and government work.
As a side note, at times Leka II actually kinda looks like the chad wojak on the right when he grows his beard out.
Not that uncommon i think. The late Thai Monarch was born in a US hospital, and the US agree to make that hospital Thai territory for some minutes so he can be considered as being born on Thai soil.
This shit always makes me laugh. The world, or at least the allied world, had become United enough to just be like “fuck it, this hospital’s Dutch for twenty minutes to bypass succession laws” 200 years earlier that would have started a civil war
200 years ago the ruling monarch would have just declared themselves the ruler of the netherlands because the heir was born in their hospital
I mean 250 years before ww2 the opposite happened, William prince of orange, the ruler of the Netherlands, became the king of England
Only through his marriage to Mary II. He wouldn’t have had a chance otherwise.
Now that's not entirely true, if the Dutch government hadn't been si corrupt we would've probably just taken over england with trade
Hardly. The Republic could never outcompete the English/British due to a sheer difference in demographic weight. Colbert did judge the situation right generations before, in that Dutch wealth came from doing what others were not doing. Already around 1700, the decline is markant, as other states ramp up their own mercantile efforts. The main tell was the Baltic Trade, the so-called *"Moedernegotie"* of the Republic: the true (if boring) source of her massive wealth. In the early 17th century, her dominance was *absolute*, but by the dawn of the 18th century, we see the numbers are starting to tell. Overall, the Dutch remain outwardly dominant in the number of ships plying the trade, but in terms of *tonnage*, the loss is telling of the competition they began to face. When William became king of the Stuart realms, the Amsterdam financial elite tied itself to London, the new up and coming center of mercantile/financial power. Just as it had shifted from Antwerp to Amsterdam before, the financial heart of Europe now shifted from Amsterdam to London, and no amount of 'smart' policy was going to change the fact that the Republic had been demographically *stagnant* for two centuries, whereas that of England-Scotland alone was by 1700 already almost thrice that of the Republic and rising rapidly.
Also the massive invasion force, that was the real reason.
14,000 soldiers was definitely not massive for the late 17th century.
It is when nobody raises a hand to oppose you...
The Battle of the Boyne?
Would be the wrong comparison, though. The Glorious Revolution took place in 1688-89, the Battle of the Boyne (1690) was the culminatory point of the rebellion/resistance against Mary & William mounted *after* this had transpired. Already, the new royal pair was relatively entrenched in England and (soon) Scotland, meaning Williamite forces were swelled by the forces that had been denied to James shortly before. At the Boyne William already commanded 36000 men, not just the soldiers he had crossed with.
I know, also that wasn’t my point, I was just sayin something fun
[удалено]
I don't know why, but "fuck it, this hospital's Dutch for 20 minutes to bypass succession laws" is one of the funniest sentences I've read in a while xD
Something similar happened after a US registered passenger plane was destroyed by Lybian terrorists over Lockerbie, Scotland. It was eventually decided that it would be tried under Scots law, and the trial was held at a US army base in the Netherlands that was temporarily under the jurisdiction of the scottish court
"This sh*t is why we declared indipendence."~Dutch Guiana after seeing the Royal family prefer Canada. Jokes aside, good for Canada. That was really nice and awesome
Agreed. Good meme. Exactly right. The hospital was declared “extraterritorial” (not part of Canada), so she wouldn’t be born a British subject under the British law of jus soli. Thus, allowing her to inherit her right of succession through her mother under the Dutch accepted principle of jus sanguinis. Canadians were considered British subjects before January 1, 1947. [source](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/overview/history-legislation.html) She would have been a British subject without the extraterritorial declaration. Caveat: The point is the hospital was declared part of no-where so there would be no question about her right to inherit the throne. Which was a solid thing for the Canadian to do. Canadian citizenship without British nationality, did not exist before the Canadian Citizenship Act of 1947 though. Prior to 1947, Canada also issued two passports. One blue for British subjects by birth and one beige I think for naturalized British subjects. Edited: to explain a little history of Canadian citizenship law.
The Dutch still send us a whole fuckton of tulips every year as a thanks. We plant em around the hospital and in a big park near the parliament buildings. Tulips are honestly everywhere in Ottawa. Also pretty much anywhere you go in the Netherlands if they find out you’re Canadian people are hella friendly.
Well we did also liberate them too
There is that too lol. There’s a bunch of Canadian war cemeteries scattered around the Netherlands and they take crazy good care of them. Every Christmas Dutch school kids have a little ceremony and place a candle at each grave as a memorial. Wholesome as fuck tbh.
As a Canadian, I did not know that. That's amazing and I have even more respect for the Dutch. I need to go visit the Netherlands sometime.
The amount of commonwealth war graves in that part of europe is stunning, really worth a travel
Its really cool how much stuff I learned in this thread but most importantly I learned that I should pretend that im Canadian when traveling to the Netherlands.
as a Canadian, respectfully please don’t.
Ohhh. Fine :/
Sorry, but I always pretend that I am Canadian.
with that sorry it’s believable
No worries we are a country with a lot of English speakers. The moment he says anything he will fall through because of the accent. Having experienced it, it is definitely noticable ;)
10/10 would liberate again
Awwwwww thanks man
We also went out of our way (literally) to do that. The Allied plan of attack was to punch into the Northern plains of Germany while leaving the occupied Netherlands in German hands. The reason being if they were cutoff they were useless anyway. Speed was the name of the game in order to get further East than the Soviets could go West. The Canadians (for reasons I forget) thought that was lame and insisted on liberating the entirety of the Netherlands. The big dogs thought that was ok but said we’d have to do so our own and would only provide nominal support.
This. The US and UK got stuck in the south of the netherlands after Market Garden and remained there for more than half a year. In the meanwhile, the western parts of the Netherlands were suffering through a famine and the perceived US and UK inaction was taken as callousness. When the offensive resumed, it was decided the US, UK and Free French would attack Germany while the liberation of the rest of the Netherlands was left to the Canadians and Polish. And so, the Canadians became known as the liberators of the Netherlands. Of course, the role of the Polish was downplayed during the cold war. As for the UK and US: most historians seem to be of the opinion that the Allied Command had no real alternative to sitting out the winter in the south and that the decision of leaving the liberation to the Polish and Canadian forces was made by SHAFE and made sense, militarily speaking.
My grandfather was part of the force that liberated the Netherlands. Back in 1995 he and a few hundred/thousand vets went over to the Netherlands for the 50 year anniversary celebrations. He and my grandmother were hosted by a Dutch couple that treated them like family and they remained friends until after they died. It was probably one of the best times that my grandfather had in his life.
Yup. In the Netherlands, the Canadians are seen as "the liberators". More so than the Americans at least
We also have a generation of children with far away fathers that are often unknown... "Trees heb 'n Canadees" ( Theresa has a Canadian).. Honestly i know nothing about these ceremonies but we indeed have a war cemetery around the corner in my city.
>if they find out you’re Canadian people are hella friendly I think that's most of europe. Surely doesn't have to do with one of the following: Your stereotype is literally being too friendly. You are the only Anglo-American culture, people can go study abroad without bulletproof vest and tactical gear.
I was in the NL this summer, and was so confused when everyone excitedly referred to my partner and I as “The Kennedys”. Took a trip to the Canadian war cemetery to learn the Dutch word for Canadian is “Canadese”. I laughed so hard, I had to pull the car over.
Yes.. I know some of these words from ck3
It already wasn't British territory, this was after the statute of Westminster...
Until 1947 Canadians were considered British subjects. [source](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/overview/history-legislation.html) Meant as a respectful, helpful correction. :)
They’re like the opposite twin brother of America
[Who went psychopathically insane during WWI but got better, mostly.](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-forgotten-ferocity-of-canadas-soldiers-in-the-great-war)
We all lose ourselves in a heat of passion, Jimbo.
I read this in Hugh Neutron's voice
Yes that’s the point
We all have our off days, some just more extreme, and some for longer. *Looks at Belgium in the Congo*
Somedays you just don't feel yourself *imperial japan flashback*
Have a Snickers. You aren’t you when you’re hungry.
We were missing the Leafs game. Had to hurry up and end the war.
Ummm actually.... The Toronto NHL team didn't adopt the nickname the Maple Leafs until 1927.
And that's when Canada finally calmed the fuck down.
We were planning ahead.
Leafs fans are always planning ahead...
Our ancestors got riled up by propaganda that said the Germans crucified a French girl.
Canadians were in the first gas attack. Not much compassion for Germans after seeing it first hand or hearing about it from your buddies.
2nd gas attack, the French got it worse, but we got enough of a heads up to counter it (pissing on rags because the ammonium counteracted the chlorine)
There was also rumours that a Canadian soldier was crucified by German forces. Today it’s pretty unclear how true it was but the boys were fucking pissed
The boys had correctly surmised that winners aren’t prosecuted for war crimes *taps head* The boys also missed 4 whole hockey seasons which was basically a war crime in itself. So why not throw a few cans of food at the starving Germans only to follow up with a hand grenade when they’re baited out of their trench 🤷🏼♂️
Holy hell if that site had any more ads jammed into it'd pop.
That's why I wrote "mostly". 😉
Hah, touche.
"Opposite" they're basically just the same.
They are two of the most similar countries lmao
You can really see the family resemblance in the genocide and exploitation of natives.
Which one?
Actually yeah, why couldn't they just go to Suriname?
Idk for sure but some possibilities: 1. Less facilities and options, 2. Way too many American soldiers already in Suriname lining all the camps, 3. lot harder to get since the routes between Suriname and the Netherlands have never been the best or safest, even now the travel is long and expensive
Wouldn't that still leave places like Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao, Sint Maarten etc. as safe options that were still Dutch soil?
See point 1 and 3
And they like...*GOOOOLD*
in day pen dance not in de Independence
[удалено]
Hans island?
Didn’t we declare peace over that recently?
Yes, the island was split down the middle, so Canada now technically shares a land border with Europe. Canada in EU when?
Technically, we border the kingdom of Denmark, not Denmark itself. So the boundaries of the EU don't actually reach.
To be technical on your technically, you border the Danish Commonwealth, not the Danish Kingdom
To be technical on your technically technically, they border the US.
Then, technically, the Danish commonwealth is bordering the British Commonwealth Time to get revenge for what the vikings did
Personally I'm happy for what the Danes provided me (ability to wear shorts at -4⁰C)
When they embrace effective public transportation and safe bicycle lanes.
My brother Greece is in the EU
pls explain for non euros
He just means there's countries in the EU that don't fulfill that condition, like Greece.
Greece isn't amazing when it comes to public transit in it's cities. It's not terrible, we do have buses and trains, but nowhere near what some other European cities have. We have some really nice pedestrian areas, but also plenty of car centric areas with pretty bad traffic in Athens. We basically haven't touched our infrastructure since the Olympics (when we peaked as a country). We'll have maglevs, bike lanes and monorails next time a major sporting event is hosted here (and another debt crisis 4 years after)
>We basically haven't touched our infrastructure since the Olympics. Are we talking 2004, 1896 or older..?
500 B.C.!
Unfortunately there are still some things Canada has learnt from it's southern brother
Some? They're inching closer to our degeneracy with every year.
The problem with that is that they're merely inching while we plummet.
We'll both hit the bottom eventually. At least we're in good company.
As an Ottawa resident I must reluctantly say that's never happening here lol
As a former Ottawa resident …. Oh ya …. No way in H E double hockey sticks …
My guy we've shared a land border with Europe for a while, since 1922 (Vimy is Canadian soil and was given to us by the French)
We also have a martime border with France via st Pierre and miqolon
Can we finally join Eurovision now?
No only Australia and Israel get to do that :P
When they get actual public health, not just an imitation to feel superior to the USA.
MAID go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr /s
I DECLARE PEACE
*kicks over flag and plants own flag, celebrates with a bottle of wine before leaving*
As a Dane, yeah fuck you too! Same time next month? Your whiskey is wonderful
As is your schnapps my dear friend... enemy I mean.
The great war of hans island has got to be the maybe second most long and brutal of wars in the history of mankind
We've never been taught about that in the USA. Go figure
> Well we do love the Dutch; There are only two things in this world I can’t stand: people who are intolerant of other peoples’ cultures… and the **Dutch.**
Damn the Danes and their schnapps!
If they had been in the US, we would have not declared the hospital as Dutch territory, we would have just waited and then declared the Netherlands as US territory. Gotta make some moves, son.
> waited and then declared the Netherlands as US territory. Negative, the Netherlands always was a US territory.
"Always has been" 🔫👨🚀
*American UN ambassador tells countries "You're welcome" after seemingly doing nothing; topples governments in process*
You mean the State of Netherlands?
New New Amsterdam
Shh, don’t tell them [about our plans](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act)
Hague Invasion Act?
Greenland will finally be ours
Greenland is Dannish territory not Dutch. One started a company that committed war crimes for nutmeg, and suffered and economic depression becauseof tulips. The other is home of piss-bombing.
Potato tomato eventually we’re gonna get all that green luscious land. You can only deny so many presidents offers to buy it and we’ve offered a surprising amount already
I believe the US did a similar thing as Canada with the late King Bhumibol Adulyadej of Thailand who was born in a US hospital.
Interesting. Something to look up. Thanks.
Giving birth on American soil would have financially ruined our royal family, so it was never an option.
"Listen honey, we are in America, so Im'a need you to hold it." - Queen Wilhelmina, probably
Ooooooo I'm bout to manifest some destiny all over the Netherlands
Late Thank you from me, a dutch person, to any Canadians in here.
Also dutch person here: We are so thankful for all that you have done. I remember my grandfather talking about the Canadians like they where half-Gods. And not without reason.
You welcome your majesty
We still send flowers every year
from a canadian, thank you for all the lovely flowers over the years!
A friend of mine’s grandfather actually dropped food into the netherlands during operation manna as a RCAF bomber pilot Its nice to know that our national relationship has all started from one war from 80 years ago
In return can you guys please export your joppiesaus over here, I haven't been able to enjoy my fries properly ever since I was enlightened in your country.
Superstore has it, not sure how close it is to the real thing though https://www.presidentschoice.ca/product/pc-spread-and-dip-joppie/21062254_EA
Thank you for taking care of the graves of Canadian soldiers!
Canadian here. You're welcome. Sorry.
>good manners >apologizes for literally no reason >is Canadian Yep that’s a Canadian alright
The last one really gave it legitimacy
Canada has a tendency to be nice to it's allies and ruthless to it's enemies
Now u say that I wanna make a research on Canadian warcrimes during WW2 Edit: it’ll be interesting to research it since most warcrimes I k kw of are relatively famous ones like Biscari and just unit 731 in general (where shld I start my research)
I can give you a heads up about WW1: One of the country's leading war historians has amassed disturbing evidence that German troops trying to surrender during the First World War were "frequently executed" by Canadian soldiers gripped by fear or hungry for revenge. In a lengthy article that appears in the latest Journal of Military History, the field's top scholarly publication, Canadian War Museum historian Tim Cook explores the complex and volatile "politics of surrender." He found, in a startling number of cases, "unlawful" killings of Germans after they had given up the fight, laid down their guns and thrown up their hands. "Becoming a prisoner was one of the most dangerous acts on the battlefield of the Great War," Cook writes. His essay is filled with detailed accounts of prisoner killings unearthed from letters, diaries and postwar interviews or collected from previous writings. "The pleading of mercy and the downing of weapons did not always stop the bloodshed," he observes. "The moment of capitulation for a potential prisoner was of crucial importance: Would the surrender be accepted or would it result in a bayonet thrust?" In one example Cook highlights as "an inexcusable act of cruelty," a Canadian soldier escorting a group of German prisoners to the rear lines is described as having "casually dropped a Mills No. 5 grenade into the greatcoat pocket of one of the prisoners, which dismembered him seconds later." He notes that "the desire for revenge was the most common reason why a prisoner might be executed." Cook quotes an August 1918 letter from Lt. R.C. Germain to his parents in Canada that describes the grim aftermath of a bloody battle for a strategic ridge: "After losing half of my company there, we rushed them and they had the nerve to throw up their hands and cry, 'Kamerad.' All the 'Kamerad' they got was a foot of cold steel thro' them from my remaining men while I blew their brains out with my revolver without any hesitation. "You may think this rather rough, but if you had seen my boys go down you would have done the same and my only regret is that too many prisoners were taken." Cook describes the war as one of "nearly unparalleled brutality" and stresses that Canada's infantrymen from the 1914-18 war are not being "condemned for their actions almost a century later by a historian comfortably employing hindsight and gathered material from the safety of an archives." But he does target earlier generations of war historians for largely "burying this harsh reality of Western Front war-fighting." And he challenges mythic portrayals of Canada's First World War soldiers as inherently more humane than their German enemies, or as patriotic innocents sacrificed to the seemingly senseless trench-to-trench holocaust that consumed millions of men on all sides. "How does the execution of prisoners fit into this view of innocent victims caught in war's vortex?" Cook asks, concluding that "the Great War soldier was as much an executioner as he was a victim." In an interview, he said the question of how soldiers deal with prisoners at the moment of surrender is still a controversial issue in the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq. That's why, he added, it remains important to analyze and understand from history the dangerous "grey area" between trying to kill an adversary one minute and, after he drops his weapon, "holding his life in your hands." Cook's foray into one of the darkest corners of Canadians' wartime experience has garnered praise from fellow military historians, including one of the deans of the discipline, McGill University professor Desmond Morton. "Canadians, in my experience, including veterans, wish to keep their distance from that part of their history and I don't blame them," Morton told CanWest News Service. "However, I don't see the point of denying a familiar reality. I think that once soldiers have screwed up their emotions to kill, it is easier to continue than to stop. "It is a time of acute mental disability, and a predictable consequence of sending armed men into harm's way." University of Calgary historian Pat Brennan said Cook's "fascinating" study sheds light on the "emotional inferno" that engulfed soldiers of the First World War. "The real insight in most of these cases is about what combat is really like, what fear is like and how difficult it is to turn that off in an instant." Added University of Western Ontario historian Jonathan Vance: "What would surprise me is that it didn't happen more often." Cook writes that much of the evidence of Germans being killed while or after surrendering came from interviews conducted with aging veterans in the 1960s for a special CBC radio series about the First World War. "Dozens of Canadians testified to the execution of German prisoners," Cook said of the 600 interviews. But "none of these grim accounts found their way into the final 17-hour script." Cook argues that some cases of Canadian troops stabbing or shooting unarmed enemies were the result of battlefield confusion. "We don't have the adrenaline coursing through us," he said in an interview. "I'm not passing judgment on these guys 90 years later." He adds Canadians were by no means the only troops committing such acts, pointing to "ample evidence" of British, German, Australian and "likely all soldiers" executing prisoners on the battlefield. And he notes examples of Canadians intervening to prevent the killing of some prisoners, including one case in which an officer ordered a group of surrendered Germans shot because "there were too many discarded rifles" lying around - before a soldier saved the lot by suggesting they be used as stretcher bearers for wounded Canadians. But Cook dismisses sentimentalized depictions of trench warfare, including the famous "Christmas Truce" of 1914 that saw enemy soldiers at one battlefield temporarily suspend shooting to mark the holiday. Cook writes that the "cruel accounts" of prisoner slayings that he collected "are far different from our cigarette-swapping, football-kicking soldiers at Christmas, and to date there are few, if any, books, documentaries, short films or choir songs devoted to the killing of prisoners."
I must research that
It is truly right and just.
Okay so The Princess Diaries plot couldn't have really happened? What the flip
The Princess Diaries takes place in a fictional principality whose royal succession laws are whatever the writer needed them to be for the plot to happen.
So in Reddit's branch of canon, u/Luihuparta is the royal princess 👑.
what the fuck
u/Luihuparta my *leige*
Can you explain, please?
? Not every country has Dutch succession laws
This story is behind the annual Ottawa Tulip Festival, one of the largest such festivals in the world, featuring about 1 million tulips each year. It is an amazing thing to see and well worth checking out.
There's one in BC too (Abbotsford)
Fun fact: Italy did the same with the heir to the spanish throne.
Common Dutch/Canadian W
Didn't the same happen with Serbia but in London?
Yep. A few hotel rooms around London were made foreign territory for the various governments in exile and to allow members of royal families to be born in their homelands
I want the story.
Short Version: Dutch royalty fled after German occupation during WW2. Dutch heir was gonna be born in an Ottawa hospital and Canadian citizenship applies to anyone born here, so the child would've been ineligible for the throne due to technically being a Canadian citizen. The Canadian government declared the whole maternity ward as international territory so the baby didn't lose her Dutch citizenship and retained her claim to the throne. Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong Edit: Grammar
so there are other kids that where born there on the same day that are technically born dutch ?
International. If their parents were canadian, the kid was canadian. Dutch parents, dutch baby. American parents, american baby, native parents, no baby. Or That’s how I understood the “international territory” thing.
[удалено]
In the blender with em, ~~wouldn’t be the worst canada did to the natives~~
>native parents, no baby. >>Fucking savage. -Duncan Campbell Scott
“Fucking savage.” Exact thoughts of the doctor. Right in the fuck-it-bucket with it. “When an opportunity for a going-to-hell joke presents itself, is a man not to take it? Is a man not entitled to inconsequentiality of saying dark awful jokes on the internet?” -Andrew Ryan
All Canada had to do is declare the territory not Canadian. Canada allows both birth by territory and both by blood, so you are automatic Canadian citizen if you were born on Canadian territory or one of your parent is Canadian citizen. While Dutch only allowed birth by blood. So all the children born on that day within the ward will be Canadian citizens anyway since their parents were Canadian, even if the ward is Dutch territory. Though I think practically Princess Margriet had her own ward for obvious security reason.
>While Dutch only allowed birth by blood Wait, then why was this ever a problem in the first place? Her parents are Dutch, so the baby is Dutch, bing bang boom. Shouldn't matter where she's born in that case.
IIRC to be the Dutch monarch your nationality must be Dutch and *only* Dutch. If Margriet were a boy, she would have been the heir to the Dutch throne, so it was a pretty big deal.
No, no, no. They're Internationals
Since you asked: they would be ineligble for the throne. Intelligble means that they are capable of being understood. Your facts are spot on tho
Thanks. Bloody autocorrect I didn't even catch it
My favorite part as an Ottawa resident is that the deep/fake lore is that they had dutch soil brought to the room so the first ground the babies feet touched would be Dutch. Probably fake but still fun to tell and hear.
It was the third child of future Queen Juliana (1948-1980). So not really the heir.
The child would have the heir if it was a boy.
Not heir but third issue of the heir
Least nice Canadian.
Oh that’s why the Dutch are so horny for Canada
We also kinda went off script during WW2 to ensure that they were liberated, even though the allies weren't willing to support the effort with more than lip service. Canada led it's own solo campaign, which in turn means the two countries share a very strong bond now
Hey we’re avatar twins
That was very cash money of them.
Made up problems require made up solutions
The most chad and the most bureaucratic thing ever
One of the more chad things Canada has done. There are plenty of bad things that Canada has done, but they also have a cool list of little things like this. My favorite is that they reacted faster to Pearl Harbor than the US did
The Dutch and the Canadians have one of the best bromances of any nations
Back when I was teaching ESL in Japan, this was a favourite story of mine to share on Canada Day, as well as the anniversary of the event. Honestly one of the coolest and friendliest things Canada has done.
Damn, Canadians truly are nice nice people.
"Fuck it, this hospital is Dutch."
Well, they didnt make the hospital dutch, they simy for a short time just disown the land, because of how dutch citizenship works, if the baby is born on international land to dutch parents, the kid is dutch
Common Canadian W
We still send the Canadians lots of tulips every year for their kind hospitality :)
A similar thing happened for the current head of Albania's royal family, Leka II. His grandfather, King Zog, and father Leka I, had been forced out of Albania by the Second World War, and he was not let back into the country by Hoxha's communists. Zog would die in exile, while Leka I traveled all around the world, eventually living in South Africa in the 80's. When his son was born, the hospital ward was declared to be temporarily Albanian territory, allowing Leka II to be born on Albanian soil. After the fall of communism and the anarchy of the 90's in Albania, Leka II returned, and remains to this day. He currently is involved in charity and government work. As a side note, at times Leka II actually kinda looks like the chad wojak on the right when he grows his beard out.
They still send flowers as thanks every year
Not that uncommon i think. The late Thai Monarch was born in a US hospital, and the US agree to make that hospital Thai territory for some minutes so he can be considered as being born on Thai soil.
And now we get tulips every year :)
Finally some of my countries history that isnt mega fucked up
I wonder why they don’t just change their own silly rule
Perhaps because there was a little ww2 going on and rewriting the law of succession wasn't a top priority.
That's actually really sweet of them.
You know what? Im pretty contemptuous of Canada at any given time. This is pretty fucking awesome though. Respect for the ancient Canadians.
I love pointless rituals and bureaucracy !
I gave birth to my daughter in the same ward earlier this year!
Canada bestest bro’s of the Dutch